First, let me introduce myself. I am the owner of CotterWeb Enterprises (http://www.cotterweb.net), the creator of the script that PaidBizOpMail.com is using.

Second, I in NO WAY represent PaidBizOpMail.com or Bob Bowen.

I'm here to answer any of your questions, if possible (which it should be, since I'm responsible for all the programming that deleted inactive members). While I can relate to some of your stories (my Internet life began in the paid-to industry as well, losing LOTS of money with AllAdvantage), your immediate reactions to Bob's tactics have been overzealous, and in some cases, quite unfair.

I have known and done business with Bob for years. He is a fair and honest businessperson, and is absolutely not out to "screw" anyone over.

The only issue I'm going to comment directly on in my first post is the fact that many of you seem to think Bob has deleted your accounts so he wouldn't have to pay you. Then the guerilla (sp?) math starts. By some of your accounts, Bob is removing accounts so he doesn't have to pay up to $500,000 to members. I can't even begin to tell you how absurd this is! I understand you're not all webmasters, but that figure is WAY out there.

Again, the reason I'm here is to help any of you (if possible). What I can't do is answer any questions DIRECTLY (i.e., why was my account, username "blah", deleted?). I've been reading posts on a few different message boards for a few days now, and 90% of the stuff I've read about Bob is flagrantly false, so maybe my comments will stop some of you from jumping on the bandwagon unfairly.

Sorry mate, but my comments and there are plenty of them, are FAR from being false...

My (and many others) account was deleted for NO reason whatsoever, I don't care if you come out with the 30% of your downline were cheats stuff!

I have one reply to that, SO WHAT, I have no power on signs below me!

So seeing as though Bob doesn't have the bottle to show his face around here, why has he sent you?

After all, you're just going to come out with the same stuff he tells you to say!

OH and BTW, there was nothing wrong with AllAdvantage, at least they paid out, I was paid twice by them, more than what I can say about PaidBizOpScam

Okay, I've a question. I've never been a member of PaidBizOpMail, but it seems to me quite ridiculous that he deleted a person for cheating because her downline was comprised of 37% cheaters (that is, people deleted for cheating). What does this person have to do with her downline? I know you said "no specific queries", but since you designed the scripts, would you happen to know what stretch of logic is required to conclude that since 37% of one's downline was deleted for cheating, one must therefore also be a cheater? 75% of my household members are male, so I must be one too, even though I'm not...right? :ph34r:

You mean you're not a male? Of course you are, if 75% of your house are male, you ARE male, so stop denying it...

I think we're wasting our time here folks, this person has obviously been sent over by Bob Bowen and will feed us back what Bob bowen comes up with...

I bet his next reply (to my question) is

Brian, I've just looked at the scri[ts and I see you signed up using the same IP number eight times!

Well my answer to that is!

If "I" signed up EIGHT time and I alledgedly had 30% of my downline being cheats, them I must have had at least 24 to 26 referrals right?

Wrong, I had SEVEN 1st level and I think 3 2nd level!

Brian,

I was not, in any way, "sent here" by Bob.

I am also NOT your enemy, and will not tolerate being spoken to with the words and tone you used in this message.

Yes, I was also paid numerous times by AllAdvantage, but in the end, lost out like everyone else. So what? That little aside had very little to do with my message, and you decide to focus in on that?

The scripts don't delete members based on any percentage. One script shows a list of IP Addresses and the number of members with that IP, and another screen shows member details for a specific IP Address. Bob is well aware of the fact that certain IP Addresses will have many many members, as has been pointed out in a few posts (AOL proxies, large ISP's, etc). For this reason, an ignore feature was built into the script.

I have no idea what stipulation Bob is using to determine which accounts are cheaters and which are not. Perhaps there is info regarding this in his terms and conditions?

I can say that there is no data at all on the details page that displays a member's current balance. Therefore, the hypothesis that Bob is removing only accounts close to minimum payment is just not possible (with the number of members he has, he wouldn't even have enough time in a 24 hour day to cross-reference these members with their balances).

Speaking of number of members...I have also seen a few posts that claim it's "impossible" that PaidBizOpMail has 50,000 active members after deleting 20,000...I can confirm this. I feel it is okay for me to do so, since Bob first made this publically available.

Finally, I'm sure some of you will share the opinion of Brian, that I "have been sent by Bob", or something similar. I'll say again: not true. If you wish to believe so, fine, but please don't post in this thread saying so, it's just a waste of space.

Ok, I'm sorry for my reply, but thats just my impression of your statement...

You say



I'm sorry my friend, but they're NOT flagrantly false!

You say



I beg to differ from that statement, so if you say Bob is honest and these comments are dishonest, then I must be a cheat and everything I've said is a lie? Right?

I'm sorry my friend, but I think you'll find its the other way around

I Do not cheat, Never have cheated and I certainly Didn't cheat PaidBizOpScam, but Bob cheated me and then had the cheek to blurt out a load of c**p that was soooooo untrue

And thats without mentioning the fact that he posted MY password on a public forum?

Some honest businessman that, I'm afraid you either DON'T know Bob personally or you're very gullible!!!

So come on then, mines about the most public of the deletions and surely you've checked the records, so please tell me why I was deleted!

Brian,

Please let me reply to your post before you put words in my mouth with

a) what I'm going to reply with
and
what your reply to that fictitious reply will be

If you want to have a dialogue with yourself, either go have it somewhere else, or I will simply leave

I am not going to use Bob's admin to look up any data, so I can't reply directly to any of your account data concerns. That should prove in itself I have not been "sent" here by Bob.

First: I'm not exactly familiar with this message board software, so if I goof up the quoting, forgive me.





I think I've posted 3 total messages, and I'm 100% certain I never accused you of cheating. Re-read my first post. See how it says I'm not here to reply to specific concerns like this? Perhaps me posting does you no good...if so, move on. Don't start a "battle" with me. I never called you a cheater, so you don't have to incessantly profess your innocense to me.



I know nothing of this. I'm quite certain I made no reference to it, so I have no idea why you're bringing it up while quoting my original message.



Okay now, uncalled for. I do know Bob, and I'm not gullible (sp?). I also have not yet personally attacked you, and you have me numerous times. I understand you're probably upset, but I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY.

For anyone who cares, Bob has purchased tens of thousands of dollars of my services over the past few years. He's been in business online a long time. He's not the type of person who creates a paid-to-read site, runs it for a few months, then screws his member base and moves on the to next site.



Honestly, are you even reading my posts, or are you just so consumed with anger that you read only what you want to? I have not, and will not, look at your records, it is not my place to do so.

Oh forget it, you're just here to twist my words

Firstly I didn't say YOU called me a cheat, I replied to your comment about Bob being "honest" and not out to "cheat" anyone

So if thats you're opinion I must be lying about all this?


Answer me this, if you "can't" answer anyones specific questions, why are you here?

If you ask me, you've been sent by Bob to try and make out how much of an honest person he is (Yeah right)

I'm sorry my friend, but there are just TOO MANY good and honest people been stung by Bob to believe your charade...

Oh and I "never" said you were my enemy, try reading my post properly, instead of just quoting what you wish to reply to!

I'm done with this thread, as I can see where its going

Bob is honest, Bob is great, Jeeze Bob is God!

I'm sorry, he's a scammer, a liar, a cheat, a contradictor of his own statements and most of all, he's a COWARD for not coming here himself to answer these allegations!

To answer your questions...YES I am angry, YES I am consumed by all this, you see I just don't like flase accusations, I don't appreciate my password being bandied about on public forums and most of all, I dislike lying toe-rags!

As I've said countless times, I'm not even bothered about the account or the $10.00 or thereabouts that was in it at the time of deletion, he can stick that where the sun doesn't shine, I'm just out to get a person that lies his a$$e off to delete members just because he can't foot the bill.

brian,

may I ask you two simple questions:

1) How old are you?

2) What's your highest level of education?

Can I ask you 2 simple questions?

1) Why?

2) Why?

Oh and Daredevil, while you're at it thinking of the answers, why don't you read this post, its VERY interesting!

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...2&t=28226&st=15

hey brian maybe some people have to attack your age and education when the can't support their argument with facts or proof

I'm not in those programs and have no idea of the true facts other than what i read in forums but my experience in life and personalities has been those who have no proof resort to personal attack. instead of stating fact imo

I'm not really sure what questions you think you can answer that will appease any of the people here who have had their account deleted for no valid reason, You are unable to answer anything specific. Telling us the ability of the software to report inactives, cheaters etc doesn't really answer any questions

You claim that the figures are greatly over-estimated ..but tot this up, forget the 20,000 deleted members, we'll just count the 50,000 active members (as confirmed by you above) clicking 10 banners a day at 1c per banner (often more banners) = 500,000 pennies a day (without taking any ref bonus into account) now multiply that by 1 month of clicking thats 15,000,000 pennies $150000.00 a month (and they are the same 10 banners every day!!!! )

That can't possibly be right can it?

To point out a few specific things, which I have done:

To illustrate how the scripts work, and tell you that it's incredibly easy (not to mention obvious) which members have cheated. Am I saying that some members weren't wrongly deleted? NO! I don't know if this is the case.

To absolutely guarantee that Bob did not remove members to avoid paying them (read previous post).

To answer any questions that may arise.

If most of the people browsing this forum are like you, then I probably will be wasting my time, and I will leave.

However, if nothing else, I can provide a little prospective. I've read posts from perhaps 50 members who claim they were unfairly removed. Many, many more than 50 payment requests were processed this month alone.

Perhaps the biggest reason, is because I saw one of my personal friend's reputations being scarred. Since I know for a fact that Bob nor his site are scams, maybe one of the reasons I posted was to stick up for someone who deserves it. It's very easy for members to jump on the bandwagon and say "hey I was cheated too"...everyone knows how fast rumors spread.

I and many others beg to differ



Now whose using personal insults there?



TOTALLY through his OWN wrong-doings, not mine!



Try telling that to the 1,000's that HAVE been scammed



LOL, I see you're also a comedian



Yes, just likes it easy for a webmaster to delete 20,000 accounts and said they cheated!

I'm sorry I don't have a single thing against you, its Bob I have my grumbles with and if you constantly support a person thats scammed 1,000's of TOTALLY innocent members, then you'll get the same type of response I've given you.

These are NOT rumours, they are the TRUTH!

By using math similar to the math you just used:

A Paid-to-Read program, say XYZ, pays its members 5 cents per email read. XYZ has 10,000 members. Let's assume a 50% response rate, so 5,000 members are going to reply to the email.

That's 5,000 x $0.05 = $250.00

How much to paid-to-read sites charge for a mailing to 10,000 members?

I'd have to say the average is in the $50 neighborhood (if I'm way off, let me know).

So, the site pays out $250.00 and makes $50. How do they make money?

Brian,

In response to your last message, my comment "if most members here are like you, then I'm wasting my time" was NOT meant as a personal insult. It was meant in the sense that I was unable to help you, and if I'm unable to help anyone, then I'm wasting my time. Okay?

So I have yet to attack you. By my count, it's still about 5 to 0.

All very well, but its a well known fact that virtually ALL of the adverts sent out by Bob were in fact his own advert!

Put it this way, the "Paid to Click" section was full of his own programs and the same banners were there for months on end, are you telling me he made anything out of these?

You wanna know something?

Those remarks you've just made are EXACTLY like the remarks Bob made in his emails to me!

He constantly attacked me with words like Ar****le, Pissant, etc, yet on the messageboard he claimed the exact same thing as you:



Hmm, me getting suspicious here :ph34r:

I'll respond to this, because you're trying to show that Bob makes no money from PBOM, and thus deleted members to avoid paying them. Quite untrue. Because he is advertising his own programs, it is your belief that he makes no money doing so?

Bob's programs are some of the most successful on the net. He spends TONS of money advertising them every single month. The advertising obviously works, or he wouldn't be doing it!

I think we're getting nowhere. Since I can't respond to any of your concerns directly, we're just going to shoot back and forth at each other.

Maybe my genuine comments will make some difference for some of you. Maybe not.

I cant speak for everyone else.......but everysite figures out their ad prices based on thier own membership and link value.....once in a while you happen to sell for a lower price.....but ....thats not a common buisness practice......If a site is always selling to make them selves lose money every time......doesnt sound like a business will be in business long.

I for one dont understand why you are here posting......??????

John made my scripts and I dont have him here defending my actions based on his interputations or his thoughts on the matter.

These members who have lost thier accounts for NO reason have just cause to be made. I own 3 Get paid sites.....many of these people who have a issue with PaidOP.......are NOT cheaters...they ae HONEST....People who spent thier time and money not only promoting the program but suppporting the advertisers.

My thoughts if Bob was any kind of a business man...he would come here and respond to his members himself....this is just discrespecting his members.

Someone should remind him without members their is no program...and from all the compalints dont sound like long before it gets to boycott site

If you're hinting at something, come out and say it. If you think I'm Bob, why don't you have the board administrator look at my IP Address and do some digging.

My IP Address belongs to Charter Communication, located in Minnesota. The board administrator can confirm that. Bob is located in California. Any of you can confirm that.

I've answered this. Bob is my friend. He is not scamming people. If me sticking up for him makes any impact on anyone reading this, then I've accomplished what I want to.



NOTE: Bob does not "have" me here, I am here by my own accord, as previously stated.

Sorry, but I never said he makes NO money out of them, quite the opposite, as its called FREE ADVERTISING, you get 50,000 member to click on the EXACT same advert for 6 months, then you delete them for alledgedly cheating.



I'm not surprised they're successful, as he DOESN'T pay, ok I wrong there, as I actually know a couple of member that actually were paid, but when overhaeds get too much (like what he owed on PaidBizOpScam) he dletes half the membership.



You know what? You're 100% correct there, you claim to have come on here to answer questions, yet all you've done is to preach to us how wonderfully honest Bob is, I'm sorry, you may have got through to a few gullible people this, but I'm afraid too many of us are hardened GPT'ers, we've been scammed that many times we know whose telling the truth and whose not!



You mean the genuine comments like

"Bobs an honest person" and "Bob would never cheat anyone" ?

LOL, thats like saying Saddam Hussein is a peace-loving person, get real will you, we ALL know what Bob is, a lot of people will not say this, but I WILL and you can tell Bob he can sue me if he wants, after all he's already reported me to my ISP for a truthful page I had up, because he didn't like the truth!

I think I speak for plenty of us on here, we can see right through you, you've been sent here by Bob or in fact your Bob himself, to try and convince he/you are honest and we who were deleted are cheats, rogues and liars!

Sounds to me like like hes hiding behind you....

and why should any of these people trust your word.......god if I had a problems with my sites...anyone could come stick up for me....who says its true......If Bob was real. LEGIT business man....he should have no problem coming here and speaking for himself and addressing these members

I've officially had it with you. I've seen your posts on numerous message boards saying you didn't cheat...maybe not. So what are you expecting? People to BELIEVE you, right? TRUST. And after I just got done admitting I am not able to help you, you AGAIN accuse me of being sent by Bob. aka, no TRUST.

Why the ###### would Bob send me to stick up for him? His programmer? As if Bob sending me would make any impact on any of you? Use your brain for crying out loud.

You did nothing but ###### me off from your very first post, but what did I do? I was civil. I never accused you or said you were wrong, NOT ONCE. You didn't make one post where you didn't do exactly that to me.

Good luck with your campaign. I hope you are able to make peace with yourself. Just a little tip: If you wage war on every single person between now and the finish line (including people trying to help you), you are going to end up one very miserable person.

No actually, I don't give a t**s if anyone trusts me or not, thats their perogative, I just want Bob to come here and admit he lied about me and the other 1,000's of innocent members!



Because he doesn't have the bottle to come here himself (or does he?). You've said yourself that if your comments get through to just a few your jobs done, what job? Exactly, the job Bob has sent you here to do, I see you have the same contradictory outbursts as your friend does!



Yeah right, I would ###### you off wouldn't I, I mean having answer for every piece of crap you're attempted to feed us. You see mate, I'm like a rash, I just won't go away, you (or Bob) keep throwing crap around, I'll respond



Sorry but you're wrong there, try reading the FULL thread.



Thanks



Please show me ONCE were you tried to help me? All you have done whilst being on here is preach to us how wonderful and honest Bob is!

As for me being miserable, lol, nope you got that wrong mate, I'm VERY happy, see all the smilies to prove it...



You know your trouble mate?

You think we were all born yesterday, you think your clever ways of quoting and mis-quoting people will have people eating out of your hands, sorry, like I've said, we are ALL hardened GPT'ers on here, we know the truth, you jnow the truth and Bob knows the truth --- He's a scammer!

Oh well cotterwebent couldn't take the pace, I think I burnt his head out, lol, as he's disappeared off the forum, I wonder who Bob will send us next? His Lawyer? His Local Shop-keeper? LOL...

NEXT PLEASE

if cotterwebent really meant well, he would be finding out why honest peoples' accounts' were deleted without just cause.

I requested payment Dec. 1st, have not gotten paid, or deleted yet, so still waiting to see how that goes.

I do think its wrong to delete a member based on their downline. If I deleted everyone with bad members in their downline, I would have about 100 members left, all with no referrals at all. People have no control over downlines, so I dont agree with this practice.

Many people have the same ip, so its wrong to use that as a sole basis for deletion as well. Just waiting to see what happens next around here...

Exactly Kristin, but from the outset, all he done was try and preach how great and honest Mr Bowen is...

Does he think we're all daft over here?

LOL. Brian, don't confuse "giving up" with "being sick of dealing with YOU". If I can answer other peoples' questions, I'll try.

Kristin, I can't take it upon myself to enter Bob's admin area and lookup individual accounts, that's just wrong. It's not my site, I don't have the authority to do so.

I will send Bob an email with the URL of this forum (maybe he doesn't know about it?).

Perhaps if Bob actually does create an account, maybe one of Brian's accusations (that I am actually Bob) will go away!

Well if you can't enter Bobs admin area, what can you do?

Try telling us how honest Bob is?

Cos thats all you've attempted up to now, I find it puzzling that you come here to "help" us, yet all you do is retract everything thrown at you with the same satement.



Oh and I love this comment



Shows I'm getting under your skin, just like I got under Bob's skin

Actually, I'm going to be quiet now (I know its hard, but I will) as others are probs sick to death of me going on about this, but I will keep reading what you have to say to the many thousands that have been scammed and I will sit here amused at your response to them all

"Bob is a honest guy" or "sorry I can't enter Bobs admin area"

So fire away everyone else, lets this person answer your queries

Sounds like a good idea...........a lot of us are interested in what he has to say.

I have 2 questions for you......

Did you honestly think you would get a "warm" welcome from all of the people who were so mis-treated by this person?

Do you think that you will encounter anyone who actually believes you?

If your answer was "yes" to any of these questions, you, my friend, are chasing rainbows....

My account was deleted after requesting payout. I contacted Bob many times by email and he said that more than 3 people signed up under my ip number, I know this is false! Then on another forum, he informed me that my downline was cheating and that is why he deleted me. (as if I can control my downline!) I was a PAID gold member, so why would I risk my account by cheating. He also informed me on another forum that I wasn't worth talking to so he wouldn't reply to any of my posts! How rude was that! He changes his story daily, and when you confront him about it he just ignores you! I know I did't cheat and I want the money that he OWES me!
My user name on PaidBiz was lorelle

1) Yes, as even if this is the case, I am not the person who mistreated them.

2) Apparently not.

Keep in mind, I'm not trying to change people like Brian's mind. Brian believes with all his hear that he has been wronged by Bob. Do any of you think I'm actually trying to change his mind by giving my honest assessment of him? Of course not. Brian would be foolish to change his opinion based on my point of view.

However, what is the point of all of you posting your experiences? To warn others, correct? So I'm posting my experiences as well. So someone who reads all this info before every hearing of PaidBizOpMail can have as much information available to them to make an informed decision about whether or not to join.

Stop attacking what I'm doing on this forum. YOu all have a right to post your opinions and experiences. So do I.

Brian,

I have the ability to enter Bob's admin area. It would be very unethical for me to do so without his permission. If you were the owner of a paid-to-read site, would you want your programmer accessing your admin area without your permission for reasons other than working on it (fixing something, adding something, etc) ?

I wasn't even a member, and I think he wronged a lot of people. You come in here trying to defend a "friend", and I find that very understandable, as I will defend my friends as well.

But, I really don't think you know your "friend as well as you think you do.

You have to admit that by deleting a member based on the fact that thier downline cheated is just absolutely rediculous! There are people who use this downline builder, we don't know anything about let alone their real name.

So, I want you to tell me how you think he was justified in what he did. Assuming that just because my downline cheated, that makes me a cheater.

You tell me that you wouldn't be ###### if it was you in the same situation.

IS that what he did? As in, you have written proof? Or is that what people are saying happened?

I don't know what Bob's standards in removing accounts are. I can't put words in his mouth. To answer your question, I wouldn't remove someone in my paid-to-read site for the sole reason of their downline cheating; however, along with a few other common attributes, this is usually a dead giveaway proving they are.

DISCLAIMER: Again, not in any way calling anyone here a liar!

Err, actually in his own words, thats EXACTLY what he did. Although being the contradictory person he is, this was changed from time to time, lol, I mean in the end I don't think Bob knows what excuses he gave each and every one of the users!!!



Yeah, like made up stories regarding IP numbers and passwords? I'm sorry but Bob showed he was lying when he posted MY password with the ones that were alledgedly multiple accounts of mine. I mean what are the chances of a referral of mine having the exact same password, the exact same IP number?

Unless it WAS me, but I know for CERTAIN it wasn't me, so this was in fact a fabrication of Bobs to make it "look" like I cheated, this is EXACTLY whats made ME so mad, if he had simply deleted my account and said I cheated, I would still be mad, but to constantly state I was lying is OUT OF ORDER!

I know I said I'd stay out of this from now on, but I couldn't resist

Here you go cotterwebent, I throw you a challenge, well actually I throw Bob a challenge!

Why doesn't Bob allow a third party to go through his scripts, to see whats what, who signed under who, etc and let them tell us who cheated and who never, I mean we could ask a totally trusted and unbiased person from this very forum.

If this person comes up with any evidence that I in particular cheated, then I will pay Bob $100!

Although not understanding scripts and stuff, I'd have to be assured that these scripts cannot be altered in any way, to make it look like I cheated.

I gather these scripts would show

1) When I signed
2) My IP number I joined on
3) My username, email and password
4) As above for each of my referrals and their info as above

Although saying this, I wouldn't mind betting that Bob would come up with a false script or something to try and incriminate me...

Any webmasters on here tell me if this can be done? Could Bob in fact mess around with his scripts and incrimate me? Could he change info? Until I know for certain this can't be done, my offer will stay where it is!

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the ###### makes you think BOB will answer any email you send him?

That is just about the funniest thing I have ever heard!

OK, by a show of hands, (LOL) who has EVER received an email reply from BOB?

I can't believe you have the nerve to write about emailing BOB in here!

(picking up chair which fell over from laughing so hard)

I'd love to see how you go with this! Bet it doesn't happen tho!

The fact he is fair and honest you does NOT mean that he is also fair and honest to his members.
You can't say he is a fair and honest businessperson just because you have good experience.
We have BAD experience with him!

Do you think we will tolerate being treated as cheaters when you can't tolerate even his words & tone ???

You better read alll these threads again before you write here
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...445&f=2&t=21959
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...445&f=2&t=26631
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=paidbizopmail
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=paidbizopmail
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=paidbizopmail
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=paidbizopmail
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...l=paidbizopmail
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...f=2&t=10149&hl=

Are they using the same scripts as inboxdolloars,Sendearnings,etc..???
Why I don't have problem with any other program?? but only with PaidBizOpMail??

Hello,

I clicked on every mail and every day clicked the banners. I had a golden membership and put a lot of advertisement in the program.

I had around 75 1 st level and at a certain time 600 2nd level referral.

I ONLY SIGNED UP ONCE!!!

Bob payed me out once, but then close to second payout my account was gone!!
I never call someone a cheater but it is strange that many people have the same problem.

I mailed him 2 or 3 times but never got an answer!!

WHY I am only asking. He could put my stats back up I think. If you can close my account, you can also activate him.

For example: The webmaster of Lucky Earners is having a problem with a $3 mail. But he is answering every comment!!

That's because Lan of LuckyEarners is a stand-up person. She made a mistake and she's taking full responsibility for it. She's not afraid of her members or their comments, and that's what makes her a great site owner. I am owed about $36 from LuckyEarners and must wait until the problems are sorted before I get paid, but I've no doubt that will happen. You know why? Because I have heard no negative comments about Lan cheating anyone, and because she keeps in close communication with her members. Plus, I've never heard a single comment about anyone being deleted just because they were earning a lot of money there, or had a big downline.
Bob Bowen could use her as a role model, but from what I've been reading, he won't even show up. That's pretty sad.