help me to stamp out racism agism and other illegall reasons for discriminating people.
i commonly find that sites will not allow people of certain ages or countrys on their site post any sites here that you want to name and shame for these reasons.
oh and please don't post sites because they don't support a certain language 'cos it's hard to cater for more than one language on your site (believe me i've tried it).
this is what you should post.
ps: the company i give as an example is a paid to read email service and their not just here as an example they really do want naming and shaming.


name: Iceberg-lettuce.com
crime: not allowing asian members.

find 'em all and i'll write rude emails to 'em.

I'm sure rude emails will really get our attention.

Its not racism darlin....Its cheaters........a new ptr just opened and already has dozens of cheaters from China and India

It is cheaters from Asian countries that cause them to stop people from those countries from joining. There is nothing racist about it at all. Maybe if there were more honest people within those countries then it wouldnt happen. Now, I know the owner of the program you have placed there and he is far from racist. If you have been writting rude emails to him, then it is neither wonder he has banned you lot from his site.

There are also sites only for US members. So this sites would discriminate the rest of the world?

Nope, if the advertisers only want US clients why should they pay for non-US members.

Mario

darn asians!

*remembers* oops...i'm one, hehe.

the problem are cheaters...I know it's bad to ban a single country or something, but....cheaters....

I do not think writing to the ptr company and being nasty about it is going to help. There are companys that you can write to and state that you dont cheat aand they WILL give you a chance. But if most people that come here from that country DO cheat you can not blame the ptr company for their actions. (as long as they dont nasty letters to all their members in the meanwhile) most good ptr companys will alert everyone there is a cheating problem andtell the members if thisis not you we are sorry for sending this to you and if this is you (you know who you are) ect ect ect.

I like that.

And I liked that

Just came across this thread.

Iceberg Lettuce does not accept Asians? That's funny, I'm an Asian and I am a gold member of this program as well.

I am against entire regions being banned. For example, I hate the idea of Sri Lanka being banned because there are lots of cheaters from CHINA and INDIA. Anyways, no use talking about this.

As for sending rude emails to webmasters, I would not write a rude mail to Randy if I were you ico2.

I think we should go after webmasters who are racists which is a good idea, but not accuse the innocent ones.

How do you differentiate?

The ones who posts in forums in front of others, plus in e-mails. I know one webmaster said that all Koreans, Chinese, Arab's are bunch of terrorists. Now, I considered that as being racists because it labeled certain people, and countries.

someone needs to look up the word racist

This has nothing to do with race.Webmasters are simply protecting themselves from cheaters,come on guys..you know what they say about one bad apple---IT SPOILS THE WHOLE BUNCH.

now I know it sucks for a whole country to be banned but it takes up way too much time to actually go through all accounts fighting cheaters.

I wish some a*ses wouldnt cheat,then we wouldnt have this problem in the first place but then again,even i know I'm asking for too much here--some pple just feel the itch to cheat even if its just a couple of cents---BLAME THOSE PEOPLE,NOT THE WEBMASTERS

How MANY webmasters do you think will be STUPID enough to say something like that Poncer? I have read many posts of so many webmasters here and I seriously doubt most of them are the type to say something like that!!!

Basically, it is sad if their intention is to be racists. But once again, I seriously doubt if this is their intention. If a Webmaster wants to ban entire regions, it is THEIR decision. I am not saying I like it, because I am affected too, since I am from the SAME region. But I guess in such instances, members can write to the webmaster and check whether their country can be considered. I guess that is a better approach (to find a solution individually, between the webmaster and member) rather than making a list and sending rude mails to them.

I am talking aboutm the snakeman. I did not say the webmasters on this forum.

Do you ever BOTHER to read and understand the REAL message?

Maybe Webmasters should seriously consider banning people like you.....LOL. You dont seem to be able to grasp a simple message. So what is the point of being in the US, reading ads meant for US people if you do not know what to make of it???



I know that most of the webmasters who post here will not be crazy to say something totally racists like what you posted!!!

WTG Enchanted

Lol, I am talking about venomx who posted those things. I think he hates everybody?

Venomx, hates everybody? I'd like to think he does not hate me. Was it venomx who said that about chinese, koreans and arab's? Then I take back what I said about being "stupid". Venomx is not stupid.

I got the email from iceberg lettuce .. And he said he was not a racist.. He clearly explained that most of the cheaters where from Asia.. He even gave us options.. He told us we could vote...

This is the email:
It seems I am being accused as being a RACIST!


The reason is the fact I do not allow people from

Asia to join


MOST DO NOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH WHICH CAUSES A LOT OF PROBLEMS.

For example.. People who cannot READ will more than likely never buy an advertisers product.

Therefore WE WOULD RIP OFF THE ADVERTISER


Also Search Engines MOST DO NOT ALLOW TRAFFIC

FROM ASIA.

99% of people from Asia are GOOD LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

However 99% of the cheaters are from Asia.


DO NOT CONFUSE THIS!!!

NO RACE IS WORST THAN THE OTHER!!!

AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED THERE IS ONLY ONE RACE


THAT IS THE HUMAN RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


However BUSINESS IS BUSINESS!!!



.. I AM ALLOWING A VOTE...


EVERYONE INCLUDING THOSE WHO FAILED TO READ THE TERMS AND LIVE IN ASIA ARE ALLOWED THEIR SAY!



You Have a few choices....


Comments are welcomed...

However,Rest assured... Members who choose to be hateful and racist will lose their accounts.


1) Keep the Same- NO One from Asia

2) Allow ENGLISH UNDERSTANDING MEMBERS ONLY

(That means EVERYONE IN ALL COUNTRIES IS SUBJECT TO A POSSIBLE ENGLISH UNDERSTANDING DRILL WHEN CASHING OUT.)


3) Allowing EVERYONE FROM ALL COUNTRIES NON ENGLISH AS WELL!!! I UNDERSTAND MY POINT AND EARNINGS VALUE MAY DROP BY ABOUT 30 -50 %

4) I HATE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO VOTE!!I HATE FREEDOM TO VOTE!!!UNSUBSCRIBE ME!!!


vote@iceberg-lettuce.com

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME!!

Yes, checked my mailbox only a little while ago and got it too. I voted for (2). Actually, I won a gold membership to Iceberg Lettuce from a competition I took part in the paid-emails-from-the-great-white-north. Iceberg Lettuce was not launched at that time. As soon as it launched, I signed up and sent Randy a mail and claimed the gold membership. As always, I did not read the terms lol. Anyway, as I said, I voted for (2) and whatever the decision he takes, I will respect it. He will NEVER be a racist in my books. The reason is simple, it is because he is not a racist.

Enchanted, he posted that saying they support terrorism, and a lot of people got all over him for making those statements including the remarks of Afghanistan even if they have computers or not.

Oh BTW, I checked with venomx and he said he likes me.

Anyway, let's not go off-topic poncer, which we will, if we continue to talk about venomx, because your opinion of him and my opinion of him are totally different.

Oh well Enchanted. Even though I am white American, my cousin married an Egyptian, and she has a son who is half Egyptian. So, I guess I am a little sensitive about all this because of the racism issue.

Im Hispanic (mexican) Same thing lol..
We get alot of racism... But it seeems no one can tell im mexican he he... Not even people that meet me in person they all think im white

Lol, with your avatar, the pic makes you look like someone like Halle Berry who is half white, and half African American.

Um... I don't see the person who started this topic relpying to any of the responses........

I haven't read through this entire thread, so 'scuse me if this is a duplicate..

There are some programs that allow people from other countries to join if they personally email the webmaster (nicely).

There seems to be so many cheaters from some countries that I can understand why wm's just get sick of weeding them out to find the few honest ones.

Cheaters hurt us all. They increase the clicks on our ads which drives up the price of advertising, but you don't get the amount of sign ups that would be "normal" for an ad that's getting (for example) 3000 clicks.

all this racism talk is getting ridiculous

try not to take it personal..

Ok this just came in from the webmaster of Iceberg-Lettuce:

Hi!

This is a VERY PAINFUL DAY FOR ME!

I KNOW I AM GOING TO UPSET A FEW MEMBERS...


The results were very close between 1 and 2!


MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND SUPPORTIVE.


I am making the final decision!

IT INVOLVES A POLICY CHANGE.....


1)WE ACCEPT ALL HUMAN BEINGS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD

PROVIDING THEY UNDERSTAND ENGLISH!


2)ONLY CANADIAN AND US RESIDENTS MAY OPT IN FOR

SEARCHES.. I HAVE NO CHOICE!!!

I APREACIATE YOU ALL WANT TO HELP AND EARN FASTER

BUT WE DO NOT RECEIVE CREDIT OUT SIDE THESE TWO COUNTRIES.

SO PLEASE UNCHECK SEARCHES IF YOU DO NOT LIVE IN CANADA OR THE US.

WHEN AND IF I FIND SEARCH ENGINES WE ALL CAN

BE APART OF I WILL ANNOUNCE THEM RIGHT AWAY!!!


3) THERE WILL BE OCCASIONAL ENGLISH TEST

LINKS TO ALL...

IN OTHER WORDS PLEASE READ THE EMAIL I SEND YOU

OR YOU COULD BE CLICKING ON A LINK THAT APPEARS

PAID BUT ACTUALLY UNSUBSCRIBES YOU FOR NOT READING OR UNDERSTANDING THE
EMAIL.


WHEN A MEMBER CLICKS ON A LINK THAT UNSUBSCRIBES

THEM.. I WILL EMAIL THE MEMBER STATING WHAT HE DID.

IF HE UNDERSTANDS AND CLAIMS HE UNDERSTANDS BUT WAS NOT PAYING
ATTENTION.

I WILL RESTORE HIS ACCOUNT ONE TIME ONLY.


LIKE I SAID THIS WILL NOT BE THE MOST POPULAR

CHOICE I AM SURE BUT 99% OF YOU SAID YOU WILL

BACK UP ANY DECISION..


OH YES... THE NON ENGLISH UNDERSTANDING MEMBERS

THAT GET DELETED WILL ALSO BE PAID IF THEY WERE

MEMBERS BEFORE TODAY.

SO I WON'T BE SCAMMING ANYONE!!!!!


THAT IS ALL...


I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING!!!

I look half african american.. OMg have u seen me lol.. Im more pale than anything.. he he.. .i need to go to the tanning booth

I think iceburg has done a wonderful job. In all honesty if you can not read english then how can you tell what the emails say??We click most of the time to make money but if we read a ad and we like it we join. If you cant read it you are clicking away and not helping asnyone but urself anddd many w/m have a link to unsubscribe in each email so if you cant read it you will be deleted very fast. I know there are sites in other languages as I belong to one called publifacil, and I am sure there are more, and if not why dont people who cant read the emails start their own ptr site? then they can get all the non english reading people to join theirs .....just my thoughts .. hope I didnt offend any as i surely didnt mean to

I tried not to. I get upset at people calling all Arabs nasty stuff. I had some jerk from the US after the attacks of 9/11 called all Arabs, and anybody who is related to Arabs just like my cousin's son a Sand I will let you all fill in the rest. It was really bad.

I believe it is very wrong for people to talk against any race because of a few heck if we did that then what about the oklahoma bombings> done in the usa by people from the usa (I am from the usa ) All I was saying is that if you cant read english then maybe you should get a site that caters to what you can read. It would be more benificial to all concerned. Would get on my nerves to not be able to read any of the emails i was getting ,, wouldnt it you?

its sad that there are ignorant pple in the world and sadly,there will always be silly pple like that but what can you do?Thats in the real world and it sucks but online,its not about racism especially this whole gptr thingy,its just a few cheaters causing WMs to react the way they are reacting(I'm trying hard here to stay on topic Poncer)..

Well, I am happy with Randy's decision. I hate searches. So I don't mind not being able to search.

I think some of you are going off topic and actually talking about racism. As I said once before, there is no racism issue here. Webmasters who ban entire regions cannot be called racists. The decision to ban regions has NOTHING to do with racism.

I still believe that if a webmaster bans regions and if someone from this region wants to join the program badly, he/she should sort it out with the webmaster him/herself. I seriously doubt whether cheaters will go to the extent of writing to webmasters and getting their approval to sign up with their programs.

oh dear I only wanted to Quote this line lol ...Quote `I seriously doubt whether cheaters will go to the extent of writing to webmasters and getting their approval to sign up with their programs.` I agree with all you said but I wish paidbizop thought that way ...to him 20,000 of us cheated on his program (or our downline did) and it didnt matter what country your from. oh dear im off topic again sorry .... any way what you said and what iceburg did were all right on I believe.

I'm sorry if you were one of the members' who were deleted from paidbizop. It's bad business to do this. I guess it is not racism that we should be talking about. It should be discrimination, I think.

Maybe it is, but we have to look at the whole web. We can try and work together to end racism no matter where it is at.

thanks enchanted

THAT is what I call a pipe dream poncer.

You are welcome.

BTW, we are happy to see you.

[quote=Ravenn,Jan 21 2003, 08:52 AM]
Lol, with your avatar, the pic makes you look like someone like Halle Berry who is half white, and half African American. [/QUOTE]
I look half african american.. OMg have u seen me lol.. Im more pale than anything.. he he.. .i need to go to the tanning booth [/quote]
you look fine to me

I have only banned the email address rediffmail.com but not any country as of yet. Although I have deleted many members for not filling information in completely. No one lives in no country, and they have had over a month to update information to make it correct. So many are upset. Some who wrote emails and were nice about it were reinstated with the understanding they would fully updated in 24 hrs and were, those who were nasty, well I dont need them in my program anyhow.

I have many good members from India and China, but this is where a majority of the cheaters come from. If the members can not read the terms of service due to not being able to understand english, and their accounts are deleted for bad information or other breaks in terms of services, it is their own fault. Yet many will come running to forums screaming scam.

As owners, we are trying to make our programs the best it can be, giving our members the best possible advertising rates and response to such ads. We dont want our programs or our members getting cheated. I am not racist, but I am 100% against cheaters.

also cheaters

Your reasons to delete members is fair enough. I guess if I was a webmaster, I would do the same. Taking action against cheaters does not make anyone a racist.

You said about discrimination against age.......

There are very good reasons why webmasters do this. Once you click that button stating that you have read, and agree to the program's TOS, you are entering into a legally binding contract.

You can't get a job in the US if you are under a certain age, so I don't see the difference here.

Can someone else elaborate on this? My brain just went to mush. I can't think of what I want to say.....

I made a hard decision at Z-Cash before I lauched due to problems at the other 2 sites with cheaters. etc.

I made the rule that ANY member from China or India....had to email me for permission before joining.......I have not had ONE person upset or mad....and I have had 15 Ask for permission and 12 got it....3 thought I was asleep I guess as the same person submitted 3 differnent email address with same name and address.

It states in TERMS and when you sign up you agree to terms....just as many programs you must be a certain age......it varies and depends on the program owener..

There are HUNDREDS of Get paid sites .....etc.....if you dont like the terms on one.....join another.

Stop Discrimination all together would be Nice.....however we are all a long way away.......just remember Every second of every day we are one second closer

way to go, you did a good job , you didnt exclude everyone from certain countries and you didnt send out nasty emails. pats you on the back and says `good job`