This is just a general comment to hosts,

Does anyone honestly think that cheap prices will get you anywere ?

servers cost money, alot in my experiance if you can offer 1000s of gigs of bandwidth and space then good for you, but honestly i don't think it's possible unless your overselling to the extreem, in my experiance more then 5 active ptrs is the max you can put on a 'standard' server with a 'good' load,

Be carefull, if the price war continues either everone goes bust, or your going to get alot of downtime complaints

just my 2c

I think thats rampant in this forum; my advice is to provide great service (something Im sure you do already) and wait for all the suckers to clear out with their cheap pricing.

I have the same constant battle in here for script pricing. I hate seeing 12 year olds try to pawn off a script for $2.

$2 scripts? I only see that in Bubble Games. Lol. I don't actually know what any of the scripts are ACTUALLY worth.

With everything in GPF, it is sooo much cheaper than anywhere else. Graphic designing.....$3-$40 ($40 is alright). Outside...$100+.
Advertising....$0.99....outside, $20+ per month.
Everything is really cheap here. I'm starting to worry for the sellers...espicially since I'm a graphic designer myself....

But here it would be the same service with everything else

But not hosting !

as hosting costs money, whereas designing a site just takes time

raised my prices already Not going for those couple of bucks anymore

I think we should start up, a charta for gpf hosts,
and put a logo or something on sites, just to say they agree with terms ?

Any ideas ?

dunno, I guess, well hope my thread isnt too cheap

true, something like a certified host program where we check each host that is submitted for good uptime and stability...



i personally am not worried about the cheap hosts, because i think within a few weeks they'll go bankrupt anyways

Hello,

This sounds good to me! I think we all should agreee on a minimum price also.

Brent

I never said i was scared of them, just they are giving me a bad reputation !

actually, i only trust geehost, others are too cheap to trust

hmmm yea i see some people are offering way to cheap prices. I think we need to do something about the quality of hosts posting as was shown last week someone said dedicated hosting and it was shared hosting, ie they don't even know what they're selling. People like this are offering way too low prices. So i think we either need to

1. Educate gpf members that they get what they pay for (ie pay less expect downtime, to a reasonable level)
2. Or raise the bar so only maybe certain hosts can post or yea as you mentioned have some sort of certification about various hosts.

Even with my christmas specials (which have been planned for months) im still making a good profit without overselling.

Also i thought maybe some better rules for hosting requests (have been thinking about this for a week or so), such as one offer per week as some people are posting daily which just dilutes the quality of this part of the board. We don't want it to end up like unmoderated downline where it sort of runs rampant. Let me know what you think,

Ben

yea someone asked my designer for a quote and she quoted them in excess of $100 (which is a cheap price for her work) and they fell over backwards and said theres no way they would pay that for design its simple supply/demand high supply of hosting/designers low demand for high priced services. Just need to remind people that better prices means better services unfortunately lots of people just think about cheap price.

on adverage we spend around 300$/month on support outsourted support,
We can't sell at dirt cheap prices

on the other hand.......maybe another forum about geek to english dictionary would be in order as well

some of us english speaka's gots no idear whats ya'll talkin bout when ya use all them thar fancy smancy words ya know

spoken in my native tougne "maine-iac" with a little bit of "husker" thrown in fer good measure

Lol, just ask and we'll explain

"on adverage we spend around 300$/month on support outsourted support,
We can't sell at dirt cheap prices "

thats the thing people have to cover support costs, which is what differentiates most hosts from others is support. People selling dirt cheap don't offer good support, often are not viable so close down or simply don't care when their servers or in lots of cases resellers go down.

as Eoin said just ask and we'll explain, we understand what we're talking about but we can teach you some of the lingo if you want.

Lol, I'm off to write a guide to hosting and hostinglike words, get ready for it

hmm have done that before will see if i can dig one up too.

http://www.ahchuhosting.com/articles/hostguide.html

thats a basic one,

They shall complement each other

yea, mines basic so you can extend it a bit.

With that in mind, I've opened up a topic under technical paradise for such a dictionary.

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=268031

one of us should contact one of the admins and see if they will restrict who can post in this section. That would most likely filter out the "cheap hosts"

In addition, we should come together as a group and explain to the members of GPF and others how we are different than other hosts.

Hmmm...maybe those who post must first post in a certain "testing" area, or "processing" folder. Moderators who have knowledge of hosting prices/etc, outside of GPForum should moderate this board and only "move" posts which are acceptable to the advertising area. Thus, this would help to keep the hosting side of the "GPT" world profitable.

Killing each other with low prices is often not the best answer.

I can refer to Graphic Designing here...people are falling to bits in GPForum...you see more people offering free graphics for the first few or so people...and than there is those who offer even below $5! Can you believe that? Whilst others offer $100-over $2000 (though...the $2000 includes PHP and Flash).

I just set this up quikly : http://webhost.geehost.com/choose/

So we can make articles etc.... on webhosting (design mabey =D)

Signup

great, but there is already a site that has articles on how to choose a host and how to correcty manage your hosting company.

http://www.whreviews.com
http://www.webhoststartup.com

Lol, i know that much (everyone starts somewhere)

No, this has a diffrent mission, educating GPF members =D into good hosting, and bad hosting, and general whatsnot

Yea. If we can educate GPF members, who make up the bulk of the GPT world as we know it...than...we may attract more people over to the GPT world and make people acknowledge it more and trust in the programs more.
Extremely low prices brings fear to most people...as if it is some rip-off product that is being sold...unfortunately...some people do not realise this and do not realise the "you get what you pay for" thing.

Edited to Add:
There is basically nothing on your help site Eoin.

Generaly if they need help, they say what wrong, and I end up fixing it

first step to aid this forum, after pm'ing echanted theres a new rule only allowed to post offers twice a week, this means that when people post offers they won't be gone in a few hours as some of the competition ######## out and post a deal to beat it. Also means this forum will get under control a bit more and be less diluted.

Cool. Good work. ^.^
Hopefully...we can change that for everything.

lol the word bleeped out was f_r_e_a_k_e_d why does it do that?

2 threads per week ?

What if 3 people want hosting ?
or someone asks a question ?

lol. Then they'll just have to reply to one of the threads you had started during that week. If they have a question, same thing, or even PM.
Then again...that would mean an influx in resellers...cause people could just create mutiple accounts or get more resellers...and they would take over yet again.

Actually, we have allready violated the rules by posting in this thread more then 2 times, this is a sillly rule, couldn't we limit it, to 2 replys per thread

Love this thread.
The rule could be: each seller is allowed to begin 2 topics per week in the hosting forum.
Maybe wouldn't be a limit to number of threads you can post in, or the number of times you can post in your own topic (as long as you don't deliberately bump the thread, that's breaking the rules).
Sounds like a good idea, I have noticed people starting numerous topics per week (or even several in a day), and it pushes other member's topics down.
Someone should begin this topic in GPF issues so we mods can discuss it.

Gotta agree with F&E on this one :
each seller is allowed to begin 2 topics per week in the hosting forum

it says "A : The maximum number of threads that can be opened by one person is
2 per week."

that doesn't include posts, just means that you can't open more than two offers a week, i would assume they probably wouldn't be too strict on this for the requests of hosting.

a thread is a reply

a topic is a new topic

ok, i thought a new thread was a new thread of posts (ie new topic) and each post makes up a thread.

Great! we're finally making progress...

Now we have to work on informing the GPF members about how to look for good hosts etc..

Hello,

I think that we should set up a site where we list our server load at all time. so people looking for hosting can really see the amount of load that is being put on our servers. Also I think we should let a mod know about the limit of 2 new topics per person a week. These are good ideas in my mind.

Brent

a mod has already set this rule out, read the rules so i guess it will be enforced from now on.

What about this, like in my sig, i write a program to monitor server loads, and server status, to see who is up, and who is down ?

just pm to add your hosting company in

That's a pretty good idea. ^>^

Also...you know how in countries...I think most...but in Australia...there is a minimum that you MUST place certain items at...thus...competition doesn't stoop so low that you can buy a car for $1.

Why don't we try doing something like that on GPF? GPF has many members and basically holds the majority of those in the GPT world.
A lot of hosting companies/business' have been to GPF.
Setting certain minimum's would be wonderful to not kill each other and to stop the price war.

Hmm...maybe even create a website which holds GPT in place by setting minimums for certain things like advertising prices and hosting packages.
That would definately be good. Good for all the sellers....and good for the customers since they are getting what they paid for.

The rules say you can't start more than 2 new threads a week, not that you can't reply or post more than once.

I'll make a new folder in advertisment so you can report when people start more than 2 new threads a week and discuss the ad folders as this thread for example doesn't belong here at all.

Thanks

sophieca
administrator

k. Thanks Sophieca. Lol. Yea...I guess this topic doesn't go in the hosting area.

So if you post an offer, and someone asks you a question on the thread after, you aren't allowed to reply coz it's only 1 reply per topic ?

Well...actually, she said: "Not that you can't"...thus...you can reply to a post more than once.