I am new to these boards, and have only visited in the last couple of days. I've been reading with much interest about the happenings with paidbizopmail. I wanted to let you all know I've actually received a reply from him! I'm still NOT impressed! Here's a copy and paste of each email and reply:

My first message to him (actually my third, but he didn't reply to the others):

> I have been unable to log into my account. Each time I try, it
> tells me my account has been terminated. I see the message you
> have posted on your site about terminating the accounts of
> cheaters. I am NOT a cheater! I had over $16 in my account as
> well as several active referrals. One of my referrals is my
> boyfriend, however, I read your FAQ's before referring him and it
> says this:
>
> Can I signup more than once?
> No, each member is only allowed to signup once, but you can have
> several members in the same household. Members who make multiple
> signups with the same or similar name or same I/P address will not
> be paid.
>
> I can't have more than one account, but according to your FAQ's it
> is fine for me to have an account and my boyfriend to have one. I
> am very annoyed by this because I do NOT cheat and because I've
> already sent you 2 very polite emails asking what was wrong and
> what I needed to do to have my account reinstated and have received
> no response. Please look into this matter immediately, reinstate
> my account with my earnings and referrals, and PLEASE let me know
> if there is any information you need from me. The get paid
> programs are not what they once were, but I was truly enjoying this
> one and would like to continue my membership. Thank you for your
time!


His reply:

Your account was terminated automatically because you signed up on
the same I/P address as MORE than two others.

Bob


My response:

That's impossible. I KNOW I only have one account and I KNOW my boyfriend
only has one account. If there are so many signups using my IP address,
then why was my account terminated but not my boyfriend's? What are the
usernames/email addresses for the other accounts? What are the dates of the
signups? I don't know what kind of a problem you have with your system, but
there is no way you have as many cheaters as what you claim to have. I've
been reading up on the boards about your program and the news isn't good.
The consensus is that you cancel accounts just as people are close to being
able to cash out. I want PROOF that I've cheated. If you can't provide
this proof, I want payment for the clicks I've done. If you and I can't
come to an understanding about this, I will contact the Better Business
Bureau! I don't want to believe what I've read on the boards about this.
I'd like to think that I'm dealing with someone who is honest. I'm hoping
you will prove YOUR honesty by looking into this and seeing that I DO NOT
CHEAT!

Anne




I am NOT at all happy about this and I don't intend to let him get away with this. I got to $16.xx in my account when I found I suddenly couldn't log in anymore. I have no intention of allowing anyone to call me a cheater and get away with it. And I would have to assume that any other honest members who have had their accounts terminated for no reason will also fight for their innocence. I will email the BBB regarding this if I don't get satisfaction and I will plaster this all over every board I can find so everyone knows exactly what is happening. I have been HONESTLY participating in rewards programs for 3 years and don't intend to allow anyone to question my integrity like this without any proof. I hope some of you will also email him (the address he replied to me from is bob_bowen5@yahoo.com) and fight with me to prove that we are honest people.

Anne

thanks Anne, I will write my 4th letter to yeat ANOTHER email addy (the one u gave) I myself havent gotten a reeply and if i get one saying i cheated ohhhh that would be a mistake as i cheat at nothing. I hope he straightens this out but if he ends upo being a con well let me tell ya i will also report him to the bbb I will do whatever it takes . I hope he reads all the letters about him and sees he is NOT getting a good name and soon if he doesnt straighten this mess out he might end up boycotted and the sad thing is i like his program and would much rather him just get it all fixed rigth and keep using it. All the time wasted waiting for him to fix this is time wasted not clicking . good luck all

please keep us posted if anything new develops...thanx

He deleted 20.000 members, most of them reached payout !

20.000 x 25$ =500.000$

how will he paying that, all the advertising was from him, I rarely seen someone else referal ID.

For me is he SCAMMER

Mario

I think he can never prove his honesty
he have to spend 500.000$ to prove his honesty. he will not do that

Bob Bowen works in or owns a computer company in the USA but I missplaced the adres somewhere.

The name is something like catalina computers Inc.

When I find that adres I will post it here.

I got this adress because I asked him a couple of months ago the prices for paid2signups.

Mario

I was paid twice, had a third pending and then *abracadabra* couldnt login and had been deleted.

I guess the guy is in too deep

is this it

Catalina Computer Solutions, Inc.
1577 Country Vistas Lane
Bonita, CA. 91902
Toll-Free (866) 822-1546
Fax (619) 656-1017

hmm i thought it was San Diego something

yep that was the adress where I had to send the check to.

I'm happy I didn't do it.

Does anyone knows if this company really exists ? or is it a scam adress just like paidbizopmail.

Mario

don't know for sure

who can confirm the address?

USPS or maybe the FBI

The adress will be also scam I didn't find his company listed in the yellow pages.

And he phone numbers aren't listed.

Mario

That address is verified in PayPal, he paid me a few months ago using his PayPal account. The address is what is stated a few posts up.

Doesn't know much about the internet then does he?

Being a site owner and supposedly a computer company owner, he should know that several, if not 1,000's of people can at one time be using the same IP number, especially if they're using a dial-up company like mine Blueyonder.co.uk...

He's a scammer and trying his best to come up with lame excuse...

Anne, if you need anyone to add to your complaint, let me know, as I like you have been doing this GPF for over 2 years, never cheated or been thrown off a site until this scandal and I certainly don't like being called a cheat, especially by a scammer himself...

I say boycott the site, even those with accounts still intact, don't advertise for referrals or anything, I'm actually going to make a page on my webpage and I was thinking of collecting names of those that have been scammed by this scammer and sending the link around!

you may ad my name. I've been scammed by bob bowen

Mario

any relation to William Bowen?

Hey thats a thing???

Has no-one thought of that? He may even be a relation as you say and worse still he maybe something to do with the hacking?

After all, with such a huge database, he must know quite a few of our passwords!!!

you mite be on to something here fellas

I had already forwarded what info I had on file for him, including IP, to John when I heard the scammer could possibly be William Bowen. I thought it was fishy but then again it could just be a coincidence

Bob Bowen had bought a Gold membership from me in October, but I finally deleted him just a couple weeks ago, he hadn't clicked a link in over 90 days.

I don't know what the deal is, but it doesn't sound good.

May not. I am not a member of this program of his. The only way for him to get my password is if he is a hacker himself.

If you're not a member of the program, what does "someone" getting your password have to do with anything here? Check here for answers to those questions

To the one who started this thread:
As for the WM, I've written numerous times and never gotten a response. I'm close to payout so I expect to go "poof" here shortly. Congrats on even getting a reply!

I hope you get your payout.

Mario

While it's nice that I'm not alone in this, I'm sorry to see that he's done this to so many of you. I just wanted to mention that I had emailed him on Thursday night using the contact form on the site. I had the reply by Friday morning. I was really surprised that he answered me at all. I'm giving him until Monday evening to reply again and then I'm contacting the BBB regarding it. I'm also going to see if I can get the site boycotted. I can't remember now which one of you it was that mentioned about how much money he has pocketed, but you definately brought up a very good point. Even if you multiply the 20000 people by $15.00 (since most people didn't even reach cashout), he would still pocket $300 000! And in a very short time too! It's also strange that he would delete my account, but not dh's account. Wouldn't his be as suspicious as mine? But dh only has $10 in his account, so he's too valuable to keep as a member yet. If he lets another 20000 people earn $5 more for him before he deletes their accounts, he gets an extra $100 000. That's definately a staggering amount! But I think the worst of this is that the honest people who are running honest programs will also be affected by this because it makes people more skeptical about doing these programs. One scammer makes it bad for everyone.

Anne

i just posted this info on another thread. please pple, report him for internet fraud. this is the link:

http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

don't let Rob Bowen run away with your money like that. With $500,000 i think he can go for a nice holiday. he must think we are suckers.

Please, i repeat, report him for internet fraud. If 20,000 of us report him, he will definitely be investigated. please do your part.

Wow
Why would he waste the money on Gold if he is not even a tiny bit active? He had to know that he better click ONE link in THREE months if he didn't want to get deleted.
Not very smart!

sorry,but what is your program?

that's because the fee of the gold membership is much lesser than the $500,000 he got from deleting his members.

I filled in a complaint

I've added the information about this to my rewards program webpage. I'm also going to report him for fraud. You're right--if enough of us report him, he will be investigated. I don't even care about the money. It's just wrong for him to get that kind of money from cheating so many people! I do have a question though. When he replied to my email, he signed his name Bob, but through these forums, I've seen him referred to as Rob a couple of times. Is he going by 2 names or is this a typo???

Anne

He had a smart way to get enormous downlines on the sites that he promoted. WM should boycot this guy if he is in one of there sites. He is in TPL I know and I think in some search engines.

In the complaint I stated that he deleted 20.000 members that reached the payout of 25$.

And I placed also his adres in it.

Mario

I am confused too but he registered www.paidbizopmail.com as ROBERT BOWEN.

If you are reporting him through the link given earlier, do make sure the name is correct.

C'mon guys, let's all get his ###### kicked. For $500K, it is a BIG DEAL and we need the participation of each and everyone.

tHIS IS RATHER LONG BUT WELL WORTH THE READ
ok here is my 4th and 5th letter to paidbizopmail then he wrote me back
and then there is my 6th email to him.
sorry i got a little mad in the 6th letter but I would like everyones
oppinion on this matter. I would send the first 3 letters but I didnt
save them but i saved these cause I got smart.

debbie b <ruhappytoseeme@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi bob this is my 4rth letter to you I have sent to
many adresses. I was a member of paidbizopmail and i
along with thousands were deleted. I DID NOT cheat and
I HAVE been very active in all my programs and if you
do NOT believe me then ask some of the other
webmaster/misteresses. i belong to jays (4 of his) and
mikes and mecop and gypsy dad and mokercash among a
few. I cant believe you deleted 20,000 people because
the ip addys are close or even the same. THERE is no
one in my house hold who is doing this BUT me. i li=ve
with 3 kids that is it.I like your program and i want
to be a part of it but so far no responce to any of my
emails. You have to understand people are starting to
think you are a scam, the last thing you need running
a ptr company is to have 20,000 people saying your a
rippoff. Please get back to me my addy i used with
you is the same one i am writing to you under now and
my user name was ruhappytosee please tell me you will
reinstate me as i never cheated. thanks , debra


Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:57:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "debbie b" <ruhappytoseeme@yahoo.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
Subject: hi again (link included, user name ect)
To: support@paidbizopmail.com


hi this is my 5th letter i was terminated for NO
reason i do NOT cheat there is no one in my home with
a account i only live with my children, no one uses my
computer but me and i check my mail 3 times a day or
more it has never gotten over 20% full so there is no
way it is bouncing. Here is my site addy if people go
there and sign up then they get emails in helping them
join ptr sites. i will send you the link and you can
sign up (you do NOT get cherged , ever, for my emails
they are free and once the last one is sent you will
not get contacted again) like i said it is free it is
jsut my way to build a downline and also help people
start to make money in emails. the places that i send
my link to are jays web sites, mikes,gypsydad,
cashwage, mokercash , herculist,among other ptr sits,
as you can see they are mostly ptr sites. ok heres the
original web site for people to get my emails (5
emails) it is FREE i do not charge for anyhting.
http://ruhappytoseeme.com/paid2read.html
ok thought of a easier way lol here is a list of all
the web sites that people get sent to if they sign up
for my emails , feel free to visit them:
http://ruhappytoseeme.com/index.html
http://ruhappytoseeme.com/day%202%20.html
http://ruhappytoseeme.com/final.html
http://ruhappytoseeme.com/promote.html

heres my user name :ruhappytosee
please respond to this meail i would greatly
appreciate it, thank you , Debra B.




Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:50:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "Bob Bowen" <bob_bowen5@yahoo.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: me again
To: "debbie b" <ruhappytoseeme@yahoo.com>




Debra,

More than 38% of your downline was terminated for multiple account /
multiple I/P violations. I drew the line at 33%, the average in the
system was 10%.

Bob
---

Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:04:00 -0800 (PST)
From: "debbie b" <ruhappytoseeme@yahoo.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: me again
To: bob_bowen5@yahoo.com

wait a minute you mean to tell me because of people
under me who I DO NOT know you are gonna keep me
deleted???? I DID NOT cheat i did NOT do anything
illigal I clicked my emails I advertised for you all
over the place I got you buiseness what about the
other 72%??????????? they are giveing you buiseness
well since i see you are definately a fraud you have
victimized the wrong person i am sending my emails to
you and ur email to me to the forums and to the bbb
and wherever else i can find to go. If i was a web
master you would be reinstating me fast i see how you
treat the members versus the other ptr webmasters (not
all tho poor gypsydad got deleted) my guess is you
couldnt make your payments and so you figured out the
quik fix. It may have started out as a just get rid of
the cheaters and got rid of some non cheaters but
since you gave me such a lame exscuse i believe you
just wanted to save money. I have never cheated at
anything in my life and I am appaled that anyone has
the tenacity to do what you have done. I give you 24
hours to respond and to look deeper into my account
you will see i wasnt getting rich off of you and i was
doing what i was supposed to be doing If i have to
lose 38% of my downline fine so be it if they were
cheaters then I wasnt making money from them any way
(that is how the other wm`s tell ya and it is true)
but also I know you deleted many who didnt deserve it
and maybe part of my 38% was some of those that didnt
deserve it. So like I was saying look deeper in my
history , get your facts right, and get back to me
(ill be fair not 24 hours) in 48 hours. If I do not
hear from you our emails in full are going to the
forums and the bbb and anywhere else i can find to go
becuase I do NOT plan on being scammed again , One
program got away with it I will not let it be 2 I am
not wasting my time clicking on these emails and links
for nothing I have better things to do with my time
(like spend it on web sites that are for REAL! thank
you for your time , Im sorry i sound so nasty i am
normally a very in control person but I am soooooo
upset right now. I hope we get this worked out but if
we dont well I will get it worked out thru another
avenue> thanks , sincerely debra b

Debbie,

So if the average in PaidBizOpMail.com is 10% of a downline deleted
because of multiple account or I/P violations, you want me to believe
that you, the benefactor of the downline that is over 3 times the
average had nothing to do with the problem. I am sorry, I am not
that gullible, this is the last email you will receive from me.

Bob

here is my last email to him (p[eople help me here what do i do other then the bbb and forums???)
Sorry Bob but I NEVER cheat and you deleted 20,000 people and i bet at least half if not more, didnt
cheat. Better get your scripts together you will be needing them . writing to the bbb now and the
forums its people like you who give wm`s a bad name. thanks for you time! NOT!

ps. notice the name DOES say bob and he signs it as bob is this man the same man as william????

I think brianlfc was correct on GetPaidToBeOnline's forum when he pointed out that ROB is a more accurate description of what this guy does.

And wow...first we see that this guy is (seemingly) totally ignorant of the shared IP thing, and now he comes up with this wacky rule that if over 33% of your downline is cheaters, you get deleted too, because hey, you must have had something to do with it???

LOL, glad you liked it?

Right this guy is an utter jerk!

As you say, his first excuse is because of IP numbers, as I and nearly everyone on here knows, its possible for 1,000's of users to use the same IP number and be miles away from each other. Yet he claims (in his reply to Ian off the other forum) that these IP number duplicates are too much of a coincidence??? Why??? Did he not have like 100,000 members? As I'm sure there must be someone else (who I don't know) that are within my area, that do GPT programs and has signed for this site, I mean just about everyone thats does GPT sites has signed for this program, so theres BOUND to be duplicate IP's!

Now he says because 38% of ruhappytoseeme's downline are cheats??? SO WHAT??? What exactly does that have to do with ruhappytoseeme? For all I know, every site I'm in I could have cheats in my downline and if they get deleted fine, but why would "I" should be deleted when a load of total strangers have cheated?

This ROB Bowen is a lamer and his excuses are pathetic, the sooner his site is boycotted the better!!!

PaidBizOpMail is a SCAM!!!

I agree totally brian and im also gonna post on ym web site for the people visiting that please do NOT join his site as it is a scam and i have been burned and so have many others. Is it legal for me to post this site on my web site so i can show them what people are saying? I believe it is I have seen others post on other forums but Im talking about my web site i made> (my way to get people to join under me) If anyoen knows please write back , TY

OH my i must be too lol just saw what i wrote and how bad my typoes are sorry guys lol

LOL, don't worry about it, your spelling is no worse than some I've seen on here, you read some messages and you need a Enigma machine to decipher what they mean

As for leaving a link on your webpage to here? Can't see any harm in it and I'm sure its TOTALLY legal!

BTW, leave your name on this thread:

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...511&f=2&t=26631

I trying to see just how many people have had their accounts unfairly deleted!

did that on the 18th I have been keeping up with this and now i see a fbi link to go to and I am on my way. I dont care if he only owed someone 1.00 it is the principle of the matter and everyone needs to do soemthing not just come here and complain and from what i see on all the forums everyone IS doing soemthing:) good luck all and keep me posted

So is he deleteing people if there downline cheats?

apparently that is what his emails to me was saying BUT rember this there are many who didnt cheat as he says (same ip numbers!)
at this moment i am on the fbi site and this is a bit tough i have no adress for him no phone number they want all this info does anyone have any of this ? you may pm me here i am staying in the forum as i do this thanks

I think this is the same guy but not for sure:

Catalina Computer Solutions, Inc.
1577 Country Vistas Lane
Bonita, CA. 91902
Toll-Free (877) 879-4410
Fax????????? (619) 656-1017

Robert Bowen - Director of Consulting
Direct????? (619) 518-6750
Pager????? (888) 365-3025
Skytel Email: 3653025@skytel.com
bob.bowen@catalinasolutions.com

I'm not 100% this is the same as the owner of paidbizopmail but he bought a gold membership on my site last year and had me run an ad that went straight to paidbizopmail.

thank you very muc h Im sure they will find out

OMG. What would ha-ppened to me if I joined this program? If he can't tell the differences of the ip numbers, than he would have deleted my account, and William Bowen's account because we both have ip addresses that begins with 216.

my dear friends,

it is really pointless calling him a scam all over the forums. it doesn't help get your money back. neither does writing angry letters to him since he has more or less made up his mind not to pay. please, report him to the FBI internet fraud if you havent. Here is the link again:

http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

Also, do you think its funny that he registers himself Rob Bowen in all his websites but replies as Bob Bowen when he replies your mail? Is that some sort of Multiple Personality Disorder or what ?

Please don't forget to include this part when reporting to the FBI Internet fraud - that is calling himself both Rob and Bob. That should put some more doubt in his character.