I'm posting this here, so you can see the conversation in it's entirety.

THis is the crap webmasters have to put up with when members don't keep their accounts active....

1 click a month is all that's required....
This member was crocheting christmas presents so she put her account on vacation.

I'm just posting it so you can read all the corespondence as the last mail was very threatening Like i'm supposed to be worried about it...

I've said it before, and i'll say it again...

When i check for 30 day inactives, i don't delete those on vacation if the vacation is set MMDDYYYY
if it's set DDMMYYYY i give it 5 days from what i figure it should be, if the member still hasn't clicked after 35 days, i delete the account...

Please read this from the bottom up so you get the whole picture.
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God, you are a lying curse word edited by moderator . Con't insult the other webmasters just because you screwed up. They knew what I was doing, they swept thier databased at least once while I was away. This is just an excuse for you to get rid of people when they start making money so you don't have to pay them. I was warned about you, but didn't listen.
Now, others will be warned about you in a big way, I am so sick of users and yes, you are user. You use people up, and throw then away when you are done with them.
This time you are going to be sorry, you have officially screwed with the wrong person. God, you really are a lying curse word edited by moderator .

----- Original Message -----
From: <support@mec-co-op-paidmail.com>
To: to protect person's privacy email address removed by moderator
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: Other


I do not delete the ones that had vacation set properly
MMDDYYYY

WHen they set it DDMMYYYY and it's set more than 60 days after they come up
30 days inactive they get deleted.

As for other sites not deleting you, well they obviously don't keep a clean
data base to give the advertisers their money worth.

Yes i need clickers for the advertisers, but the advertisers are my #1
priority.

It is your responsibility not mine to keep your account active, or set your
vacation settings properly.

I even give 10 days over the vacation settings because i don't expect anyone
that came back from vacation to put clicking as their #1 priority.

----- Original Message -----
From: to protect person's privacy email address removed by moderator
To: <support@mec-co-op-paidmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Other


I didn't think a person was supposed to get deleted, or have to click any
links, if they had thier vacation time set...That IS what it is for, so you
know WHY the person is inactive...Thanks for nothing. Did you even think of
looking to see if my vacation was set?

You shouldn't have deleted me, this was wrong!!! Just so you'll know, I set
vacation on ALL my ptr programs (20+), I even emailed the owners of the
one's that don't have a vacation setting and explained what I needed the
time for, and you are the ONLY one that deleted me, everyone else saw I
wanted some time off and were fine with it. Does this suggest anything to
you? You may run this site, but that doesn't mean all your policies are
correct or ethical.

I am really ######! I worked hard for you, wanted a little time off, set my
vacation time so you'd know I'd be back, and this is the thanks I get. You
know, the ptr industry has a bad enough reputation the way it is, you do not
need to help damage it more.

This is NO way to do business, period. We clickers are the reason you get
customers. You need to give those of us who really do the job, as low paying
as it is, a lot of respect and some consideration. WITHOUT US, YOU DO NOT
MAKE MONEY!!!

to protect person's privacy name removed by moderator

-----Original Message -----
From: <support@mec-co-op-paidmail.com>
To: to protect person's privacy email address removed by moderator
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Other


I cannot restore deleted accounts.
1 click a month would have saved your account.

----- Original Message -----
From: to protect person's privacy email address removed by moderator
To: <support@mec-co-op-paidmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:23 PM
Subject: Other


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> name: to protect person's privacy email address removed by moderator
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> username: to protect person's privacy username removed by moderator
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> message: I had my vacation time set for 01/03/2003, so I could crochet
Christmas presents. I have not been able to log in since, it says invalid
username and password. My username IS to protect person's privacy username removed by moderator . I guess I got deleted for
inactivity? Please, find my account and put me back into the active members!
> Appreciate it! Thanks, to protect person's privacy name removed by moderator
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By the way, please notice this person says she set vacation for 01/03/2003 but contacts me 01/13/2003..... 10 days later.
THen she wonders why she can't log in and lost her account...

GIMME a BREAK!

The date format can be confusing, Europe uses DD/MM/YYYY and USA MM/DD/YYYY. Maybe your user meant 1st of March and not 3rd of January?

why don't you make a drop-down box for users to select the month? Or just 3 input fields clearly labeled ("Day: |__| Month |__| Year |__|")?

Asia use YYYY/MM/DD/

I'm always confusing these 2,so i guess if i were a mec-co-op member and had to go on vacation,i'd run into the same problem(minus the name calling ofcourse)

Carole...do you have an example at the top as to how you want the members to enter this info?Or you could get a drop down menu---will spare you a headache!

Gee...she sounds like a real "charmer".....I bet you are real sorry now Carole...hehehe.....

It is now 14 days AFTER xmas......so why has she not clicked???

Some people are ignorant and try to make up for it by using foul language, as they can not comunicate in an assertive or adult way......they go to agressive which is in very bad taste.

Sorry you have to put up with these "kind" of people Carole.

If I ever get deleted for being inactive...I would e-mail the web owner appologising...I wouldn't dare ask for my account back...I would be too ashamed.

send me the script and I'll do the modification for you. I only need the file where the form is displayed and the file that does the processing (look at the HTML source, you'll see something like <form target="file"....)

australia use DD/MM/YY

hey!! we will all be happy on the 3rd of march lol

03/03/03

Maybe it is fair to say 30 days of inacivity from when your vacation ends??

Why should it be different compared to a normal user (who didn't have a vacation)?

I mean i lost me coppercoins account by you because of inactivity (30 days) event though you didn't send any mails for a period as you were going to transfer accounts - i must admit i got a bit angry and deleted my mec-co-op account because of this!

It is obvious she meant the 3rd of January.....as she was crocheting for XMAS which was over 20 days ago...so she thought she would mosey on over and check her account........so no she was not confused by the date scenario.

I have to agree with Novisol on the point of once you come back from vacation you should have 30 days to click a link. Why is part of your 30 days used up when you are on vacation. I thought that was the whole point of vacation.

Ok...Maybe she did deserve the 30 days...all that aside....what about the way she e-mails Carole and just says please restore my account to active...no please or anything...and then the other laguage...maybe if she hadn't been so mouthy it could of got sorted out...she was just looking to bite someones head off

SInce most likely the account was deleted January 8th, 5 days after vacation settings, and had it been reversed to 08/01/2003, i would have known it was a january 3rd as there's no such thing as an 8 month vacation, so that is irrelevant.

Yes her demeanor was very unprofessional in the end, I am not defending her, I am just wondering why you do not have 30 days to click a link after you get back from vacation. To be honest never been on vacation mode but I would think that when I came off vacation, I would still have the 30 days to click a link.

THere is an example right over where a member has to input.

It says "Please use this format MMDDYYYY

sorry, but there's no excuse for this.
And honestly i'm sick of taking abuse over it. Its the members responsibility to keep their accounts active and i do post my 30 day inactives get deleted on every page a member views, so if they really cared about their account there'd be no need to delete any members.

1 click a month???????????????

LOL!

hey with the old CAC scripts it was inconvenient but easy to restore an account.

With CC scripts, i'd have to give john my backup, then he'd have to extract that members data. It's very time consuming, as it would take me at a dial up connection hours to upload the whole backup and then John would have to do an extraction etc.

I will not bother John when it's the members responsibility to keep their account active.

So my standard response is "i cannot restore a deleted account"

I think myself and John have much better things to do.

whhhhhhooooooooaaaaaaa I asked a simple question...relax

I agree with Carole........ONE CLICK per 30 days

Its not that she hasen't warned us time and time again...Geeze sometime in the 30 days she had to delete these emails.One Click wouldn't have killed her

THanks but i don't think it's necessary, it clearly states "use this format" MMDDYYYY

even with a drop down box thing, europeans would do it the opposite way.

I think it's perfectly clearly labled how to do it.

The idea with the drop down box was to have the months written in words.

HEre's the reason:

Suppose your account is already 28 days inactive, then you log in and set your vacation settings for 30 days later
Now you have 58 days of inactivity
and then i'd give another 30 days?

Nah, I think by giving 10 days over vacation settings, i'm being more than fair.

Her account probbly got deleted the very same day she e-mailed me 01/13/2003...

I delete them in the mornings, and she probably e-mailed me an hour later...

But we're forgetting something here.

VAcation is being away from home.

She was home.....

1 click a month is all that's required.

If she really gave a hoot about the account, it takes 1 min to log in and click one darn link even on the paid2click page.

There's no excuse for this or her attitude.

But this correspondence is mild compared to some i get on this subject.

I'm just sick of taking the abuse and the threats, so i'm beating her to the punch and posting it myself.

She was on vacation, doesn't that mean you don't have to click? I am confused, I am glad I don't use the vacation settings.
It would probably take me most of my vacation time just to go and set all my PTRE programs on vacation mode, lol.
So I can understand how this works just in case, if I take vacation for a month, when I return I have 5 days to click a link or I am inactive and deleted?
What about if you only go away for 2 weeks? Like maybe you are going out in the woods or somewhere there is no access to a computer and you don't want your emails to bounce so you set it on vacation mode. Do I still have 2 weeks to click a link when I return or just 5 days?

If I plan to go away for 2 weeks,I will set it for 2 months

I WISH!! It is if you've got the funds!!

2 Months!!
How long are you allowed to take?

Ok thanks, i e-mailed you the file.

I don't think it will solve anything really but what the heck.

True, but the pot shouldn't be calling the kettle black, and this is referring to my attitude, lol.

I think you're missing the point, the lenght of the vaction is irrelevant.

She didn't click any links 10 days after her vacation.

It really doesn't matter if you set a 3 day vacation.....

The search is for 30 days inactives, and i hold off deleting those on vacation until 10 more days after their vacations.

ok kinda off topic here but Carole I swear if I have to reload this 1 Heluva One more time today I'm gonna throw this compaq out the window

Is everyone having problems in the last few days or is it just me?

thanks, I'll look over it tonight.

what if she clicked the very day before a 3-day vacation? how long after those 3 days can she not click before she's deleted?

lol

Could someone pull the switch to turn my light bulb on, lol.
"Thanks" I think I got it.

If I go on vacation for a week, I have 3 more weeks to click a link after I return, If it's 2 weeks, I have 2 weeks left, if it's 30 days, then you allow a grace period of 10 days when you return. So if you go for 2 months, you still just get a grace period of 10 days? So in other words, you are not really entitled to a vacation without clicking, just 1 that your e-mail box doesn't get full and start bouncing emails all over the place.
Is this right?

Ok here's the 2 possibillities


On 12/28/2002 She sets her vacation to end 01/01/2003 and her last click was 12/28/2002 .

1. She never logs in and unsets vacation then on 01/11/2003 she comes up 30 days inactive. (10 days grace)

She would be deleted.

2. She logs in on 02/01/2003 clicks a few links....(removes vacation settings)

Now on 03/05/2003 she comes up with 30 days inactivity (account deleted)

The biggest problem is that members log in, set vacation settings, then come back from vacation but don't remove vacation settings.
Now when you go on vacation and set it accordingly, the mail stops going to you.
If you don't unset your vacation settings, i doubt you'll get any mails till you do, but i'm not a programmer so i can't be sure of that.
So since my members know i send mails every day, after 2 or 3 days of not getting mails, they should wonder why, and remember to log in and unset vacation etc.

Especially the europen that set vacation wrong...for example 10/01/2003 instead of 01/10/2003 they wouldn't receive any mails till October 1, 2003 so when they returned January 10th or say Jan 10th or 13th and don't get mail from me, that should trigger their memory to remove their vacation settings..

I don't think any account that is set on vacation is being deleted.

When I plan to go way for 2 weeks,how can I be 100% sure I will be back in 2 weeks. I think that way,so will set it for 1 (or 2 ) months.
I don't think any program will blame me for coming back within 2 weeks when I set it for one month :ph34r:

Lol, my lightbulb just burnt out again.

That's only 14 days, so no matter how long you go on vacation, you have only 10 days to click a link. Please tell me this is right because I really do need a vacation now, lol.

Hey setting it for 2 months is ok, but keep in mind, if you come back in 2 weeks, and don't re-set it then you don't earn on your downline and you won't receive any mails to click either.

When someone goes on vacation, their earnings from their downlines automatically stop.

That's the way the scripts are written.

how can she come up 30 days inactive when her last click was 12/28/2002 ?

I'm sorry, but this is just silly. How her hands must hurt if she was crocheting 24/7, without a single minute to spare for just one measly click. I mean, good garsh, how long does it take? Just take a little detour on the way from a trip to the outhoust and log in. Even us hillbillies can figger that one out.

I find that wrong, her account should be deleted 3 days after Jan 26th (simple math, she is allowed not to click for 29 days, plus the 3 days of vacation...) Just my 2c

Are members set on vacation automatically subtracted from the total member count for that period? I mean if you have 2K registered members and 100 are on vacation, does an advertiser know he's only paying for 1,900 emails?

whew ok now i need a nap......thanks shannelle1....now my brain it totally fried.......Oh wait it alwways was

well that depends..Is it a one seater or two

You don't get the point ... Vacation means (or at least should mean) NO WORK. You can do something if you want to, but it's not mandatory! Your boss doesn't make you call the office once a day when you're on vacation, does s/he? (Hey that also takes one minute! )

I am not saying she couldn't click a link in this time, sure she could have, I am asking for my own info exactly how it works because one day, hopefully before I die, I would like to take a nice vacation with my baby girl, and when that time comes, I will not be home clicking on links, I will be having a real vacation, where there are NO COMPUTERS ALLOWED, lol.

no can do......the laptop goes

I do my best to help!!

Confuse others that is, lol.

Laptop, can't afford to buy myself a top let alone adding a lap to it, lol!!!

I understand the fact that she was in vacation mode at the time. If she set her return for 01/03/03 and the scripts showed her 30 days (plus the grace period) inactive, then it looks to me like she hasn't clicked for a bit. Her vacation mode was for 5 days? so in essence she was given and extra 5 days, with the grace period, in which she had no responsibility to click. So, what's the deal for the other 20 days which she evidentally didn't click either? Maybe I really AM confused about this....lol..serves me right for being a smart alek...