Greetings on October 18th the Republicans are going to present a petition to our VP. Majority Leader and other elected officials calling for Kerry to be indicted as a War Criminal- which means he would NOT be eligible to run for office.


Please go to http://patriotpetitions.us to sign the petition. At last count there are over 169,000 signatures. Help us get Kerry out of office and make him accept responsibility for his "crimes"

Bush Cheney - Protectors of the US
Kerry Edwards- Protectors of Terrorists



For either side this was actually very interesting information since regardless of who wins on NOV 3 this will be actively pursued as there is NO TIME limit on WAR CRIMES>

Courtney

What did Kerry exactly do in 1970-71 that is "oh so bad"? Anyone knows?

Good grief

If that linked site wasn't so pathetic it would almost be funny... Almost.

I guess what he did that was so bad is turned up for duty, unlike some others we all know about

Darned good question,
If it was saying vietnam was a mistake think they will have a rather long backlog of people to try on war crimes
also this was posted: Posted 7/1/2004
so purty sure if there were anything to substantiate this, republicans would have been on it like ants on sugar.

If they are going to indict Kerry as a war criminal.... then I think the same should be said of Bush for taking the U.S. to war against a country that did NOT have WMD like he claimed.

He and Hanoi Jane are actually in a Museum in Vietnam a memorial to the war which credits them for giving them support and aid. They are WAR HEROS To VIET KONG not AMERICANS.

In NO WAY shape or form do you encourage people to throw bottles at spit on or disrespect Vietnam soldiers.

Perhaps it was the fact that he wrote his own recommendation for him to get one of his Purple hearts since his commanding officer didnt think rightly so that it was justified.

Or maybe it was that he injured himself to get his purple stars.

How can you submit justification to receive a purple or silver star for fighting in heavy combat? Then 3 days in his own words in his DIARY he says no heavy combat fighting yet..... HMMMMM


HE is a disgrace to those that fought for and fight today for our country. He is a disgrace to those that died and actually deserve the medals Kerry received under false pretenses.

He is a WAR CRIMINAL. Guilty of committing TREASON. He is no better than someone telling Bin Laden what our plans are simply bc he doesnt agree....


Courtney

He also testified UNDER oath before CONGRESS. that and he and many others in his group committed war crimes and they were all rapists/murderers and baby killers... He admitted to burning down complete villages without cause and other things which are considered "war crimes"

If these were going on under his watch- why didnt he ever report them while they were happening to his commander or up the line?. Oh wait bc he was busy committing them also.


Courtney

interesting considering your country just reelected one of Bush's biggest supporters -. WE know where Australia overall stands and its behind Bush.

Courtney

Personally, I don't get into politics one way or the other however in this case I must say this does not bode well for the republican party.

It's called dirty pool and a low blow. At least he served did he not?

Apparently the republican party is rather nervous about their opposition otherwise why the need for this petition?

The last election, the state of Florida couldn't count...ironic that his brother is or was governor at the time.

So, now we have this.

Personally, I think all politicians fabricate and tell us what they think we want to hear. Therefore I do not belong to either party.

Needless to say things were better during Clintons era. I don't care what he did in his personal life...just more dirt for the media to dig at.

As long as they do there job right how he handled himself behind closed doors was his business even if I feel it was morally wrong about his shennanigans...........

Sorry but you won't get my siggy on that petition. If he Bush can't win fair and square...........as far as I'm concerned he doesn't belong in office.

Don't even get me started on his picking up where Daddy dear left off..........

Don't forget we have the highest lose of jobs in 70 or 75 years here in the USA since Bushs time in office.

War crimes......they did take place.....how could they not? I can't say I myself wouldn't have been able to stay sane enough to conduct myself during that time period over there to be morally correct.

Those guys in Vietnam got a raw deal.........still do............and I don't think this is the time or place to bring that issue up. That was 30 years ago or so..........leave it alone.

Yup he turned up for duty unlike Clinton.

He also tried to turn us over to the Vietnamese.

Now to North Korea. (because bilateral talks worked so well during the Clinton admin)

That aside, he is guilty of war crimes. Unfortunately, for the last 20 years he's had Senatorial immunity. Excluding that, eve, the democrats are the ones who started thi mud slinging contest with Jack Ryan in the Illinois (but, we all know, Kerry bought off the judge to keep HIS divorce record sealed -- his divorce, which didn't involve a young son).

RE: The republicans would be all over it

There's a reason it's the liberal media.

After the 1st debate: Bush's name was dragged throught the mud, Kerry was praised over and over.

After the Cheney/Edwards debate: the media focused on what Edwards didn't screw up.

After the 2nd debate: Nothing. Kerry was thrashed soundly, the media knew it, and gave it no press.

The Alan Keyes/Barak Obama debate was not televised tonight, because the Chicago press knew Obama would be pounded. The commentor simply said "Anyone who watched could tell you Obama won" despite the comments from bystanders claiming the opposite.

The following have been ignored completely:

"Rathergate".

The ABC memo.

John Kerry being used as a torture device to demoralize the troops in Vietnam.

John Kerry not knowing the difference between plutonium and uranium.

John Kerry ASKING for a war in '98.

John Kerry stating there were WMDs in Iraq in '02.

John Kerry lying that the tax breaks only affected the top 2%.

John Kerry lying that Bush caused a bad economy.
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Uh-huh.

What Liberal Media indeed...

Like he claimed.

Like Hans Blix claimed.

Like John Kerry claimed.

Like Bill Clinton claimed.

Like Tony Blair claimed.

Like Jacques Chirac claimed.

Like Schroder claimed.

Like Colon Powell claimed.

Like the UN Security Council claimed.

Like Japan claimed.

Like Iraqi researchers claimed.

Kinda funny that the WHOLE WORLD was wrong, yet Bush is the only one blamed for it.

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TelCom and DotCom bubbles. Failed economics. A system like PTR running the entire economy. Not his fault. Economists were predicting the bubble burst since the mid 90s.

FYI, our current unemployment rate is the same as it was 8 years ago. People are making less because the internet explosion of the mid90s caused overpaid unsustainable jobs.

If he injured himself, he wasn't the only soldier in the front lines that did so.

As far as burning villages, raping, etc.............not that I condone of things that happened, but unless one can walk a mile in one of those soldiers shoes..........do not condem what some of them may have done when their minds snapped seeing buddy after buddy getting blown away with bombs that if they didn't kill them left them without their maleness...............

The sites they saw and were subjected too.............was so horrific that if they did commit crimes........it was out of sheer exasperation, horror, paranoia that VC laid around every bend they walked past.

So, if he broke and did things considered war crimes why is it that it was not brought out into the open until now?????

As far as I'm concerned, it is just one more idiotic defense for Bush to try to stay in office.

Where does he have us now? In another war? Have you seen the pictures of what our guys (boys really) have to tolerate as far as living conditions? Have you seen the fox holes nothing but mud that they sleep in, or the hot concrete they lay on behind tankers while sand storms blow over them..................

Please war crimes.............what a pathetic low blow for the republican party to fall back on.

Not that I think Kerry will do any better in office but this type of attack certainly makes me detest Bush all the more and it reeks of foul play.

As far as FL goes- the counties with the voting probs were run by DEMOCRATS. The ones who wouldn't let the minorites vote were DEM. POLL LEADERS. So don't blame that on BUSH. WE wont even get into the fact that at least 4 IND organizations went down there and physically recounted the votes themselves and surprise surprise- BUSH STILL WON. Lets not forget that the additional 20 k votes in both NY and FL that were duplicate votes or the fact that Dem. wants to allow felons the right to vote in FL rather than review the polling list bc it might discredit minorities.

Actually if you bother to pick up a newspaper you would notice that homeownership is up since Bush took office. The economy is improving at a rate far greater than that of the Clinton era. I guess you also feel that he wasnt guilty of Whitewater either....

You cant Blame Bush for job loss- you want to pin blame- BLAME CLINTON. Clinton had OSAMA in his custody but was too busy with Monica/ Jennifer Flowers/ Paula to be bothered to fill out the paperwork. HE needs to be held accountable for 9/11 not BUSH.

I don't think raping women in any case is right- nor is killing an innocent child. Those people in Vietnam- like my father- were abused and got the raw deal bc of Sweethearts like kerry and Jane Fonda. You don't tell the troops you don't feel their fight is a worthy one- that is VERY demoralizing and encourages the opposition.


ITs become an issue because that is all Kerry wants to focus his campaign on bc he cant make up his mind on anything.

Courtney

You know what gives these charges no merit what so ever. The fact that Kerry has served in public office for 20+ years. The fact that this was not even important to anyone until he runs for the Oval office. What is important to me is how this country is being run. Bush has no business questioning anyones war record when he doesnt have one himself. We need a lot more from a president than someone who knows how to take us to war.

And Altari you are entitled to believe that.... me though I dont believe it.. Bush convinced people of WMD without evidence thats my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Maybe, maybe not.............but it does not help that jobs are sent overseas and those companies get tax breaks to do so.

Overpaid jobs????

Yes at the very top...........most people now adays are falling into the working class poor.

Even as a nurse which was a higher paying job.............was pushing the limit to provide decently for my family of 5.

The rate we are going we won't be able to retire until the day we drop dead. lol

And people flock to the good old USA..................Yes, some things are maybe better than other countries...........but go to your local slum, ghetto or trailer park, etc...............Not overly paid people living there.

Then look in your local newspaper and look at the average cost of a nice home........a quarter of a million bucks........

I don't know what the answer is, but for one the jobs need to stay at home....look at this big fiasco over the flu vaccine...........we have a major crisis as far as health care because there isn't enough to go around.............look at the jobs we could have IF we made that vaccine at home.............

And the republican party is only concerned about war crimes that Kerry so called commited.........go figure

Actually having Bush's brother as Govenor of Florida and the person in charge of the voting in Florida working for George Bush's election campain didnt hurt Bush.

As far as who's fault 9/11 is well I blame the terrorists that hi jacked the planes and I also blame the people who funded Osama Bin Laden and trained him to begin with. Do you know who that was?

Pathetic low blow?!

Where have you been? Honestly, John Kerry came back here in 1971, stood before a Senatorial hearing, and spoke about his war crimes. These supposed Republica puppets (the swift boaters) have been saying the same things about Kerry since his first Senate term.

This is not "low blow" for the Republicans to fall back on. The Bush administration is not endorsing this. The Republican party is not endorsing this.

The link to excerpts from his address to Congress can be found -here-. This isn't a new development; people have been protesting his serving his office for quite a long time. It's just another thing that's been covered up by the obviously leftist media.

You are aware that opinions can be wrong, aren't you?

There's not "belief" when it comes to what the UN inspector said - he had no evidence that Saddam Hussein had gotten rid of them, and much evidence that he was continuing to make it. He had testimony delivered by Iraqi scientists stating they were assigned to making VX nerve gas. VX nerve gas, eh? That's a WMD if I ever heard on.

Kerry has had Senatorial immunity for 20 years- Personally I think Repubs arent going far enough.

They need to go after him and Kennedy for the tragedy of Mary Jo Kuperkne or something like that. That he and our good senator Kennedy left in the river after driving drunk off a bridge. She was in the car. Did they try to rescue her no? They left her to die. To me that is MURDER!!!!.


As far as WMDS goes- compare it to Hitler and the mass genocide going on during that time frame. Like Kerry Hitler was an excellent speaker but does that make him a good leader nope. Kerry said they had WMDS as did all the others Altari listed.

There are over 25 countries that support the war. Countries like France/Russia China etc would not support Kerry either bc they were getting kickbacks from Saddam.

Just because we couldnt find them doesnt mean they didnt exist. If I gave you 4 months-5 months to hide them you could probably do a good job in the miles and miles of desert they had there or heck could move them to N. Korea under the tunnels they have been known to have.

And PERHAPS if our esteemed Senator Kerry hadn't been busy taking the rare opportunity to vote when he did consistently voting to decrease weapon funding and intelligence funding said weapons would have been found.

If you have the KNOWLEDGE to make the WEAPONS- its just as bad as having the weapons. The Scientists were kept there to make the WMDS and the funding to pay for it was the UN food for oil scandal.

Yea I am aware..... And I firmly believe yours are wrong.

As far as the rest of the propoganda that people want to say about Kerry well they can because unlike some.... Kerry actually served to protect that right...

Yall have a good night cause this will never be solved till after the election

Kerry/Edwards 04

So, you want to penalize companies?

Goodbye free market economy, hello socialism!


Yes, the DotCom and TelCom jobs were overpaid in the mid90s.


Who can you blame that on? Not Bushie. You can blame that on the internet bubble. It forced inflation, created a standard of living that wasn't reasonable, and now everything is overpriced. Economists said this would happen as a DIRECT result of the bubble bursts. Everyone listened to them until it was more convenient to blame Bush for it.


Only if we keep doing PTR.


Did I say there were?


Where do you live?

I can go get a 3 bedroom, 2 bath on .5 - 1 acre for 109K.


We just added 96K jobs? The economy can't immediately recover. That would cause a rush in the market and a recession (and we'll be right back where we were when the bubbles burst).


Utter bull hi.

But, if you want to play that game, all the Democratic party is concerned about is whether or not Bush snorted and continuing to question him on the basis on false documents. Hmm...Republicans using actual facts, Democrats relying on something Dan Rather typed in WordPerfect...

I'd say more Republicans are concerned with Kerry's ever changing opinion on the war and the country in general. More troops, fewer troops? More money, less money? Go to war, don't go to war, go to war again? Coalition, coalition and cut and run? Reliable allies or allies for bribes? We don't need the UN, turning over our 2nd Ammendment rights to the UN? I drive a big SUV, SUVs are bad for the environment? I support gun control, I'll take a weapon illegally?

Altari

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it's not all black and white. I think both candidates we have running for office are the most pathetic we have had in a long time.

I think you missed me saying I think war crimes were awful but they happen and it happens when the mind can't take anymore. Not everyone can withstand what they see when on the front line and to condemn them I think is wrong.

No I don't condon what happened but I also understand why they happen(ed).

What about hiding those terrorists that human activists are saying is being done now.........including one of the top dogs of BinLaden? Do you really think Bush is totally unaware????

Do you really think Bush didn't know 9/11 was going to happen?

When people close their eyes to the truth......it is what allows atrocities to continue.

Do we belong in Irag? I don't think so. Do we belong in any of the countries we are in at present...........have we the American people learned nothing about forcing our beliefs on anyone????

Look what we did to the Native Americans? We totally destroyed entire groups of people by forcing our beliefs onto them. We shoved them onto reservations.........
We gave them drink..........

And we did we get in return?????

For one, we have lost a great resource of medicine and of living in peace and harmony with others and nature.

We continue to destroy in the name of growth and we continue to push our beliefs onto other countries who I don't think really want us there.

The weapons of mass destruction were never found............

I don't know, I know for myself I am seeking out and searching part of my Native American Heritage and thank god for being part of that great people who knew how to live in peace and harmony.

We could take many lessons from them.

courtneyg,
Kerry voted? I seem to remember him promising Massachusetts that he'd appear for the Marriage Ammendment vote.

Funny, the only two Senators NOT present were Kerry and Edwards.

DOMA?

Same two missing.

In fact...Kerry has missed almost ALL the votes this year. Seems that we're paying Kerry $150K a year to campaign. At least Bush still manages to do part of him job. Kerry's completely dropped the ball and spit in the face of his constituency.

[quote=ptrhost,Oct 13 2004, 05:52 AM]
Maybe, maybe not.............but it does not help that jobs are sent overseas and those companies get tax breaks to do so.


Look at Kerry and his wife. Where are her companies- could they be overseas? I think so..... Kerry and his wife have been farming jobs overseas for years. Just because they are now running for office doesnt excuse the deplorable behavior.


You were probably one of the ones that qualified for the EIC were you not?

As far as retirement- Bush's idea of individualized retirement savings account is an excellent one bc this guarantees that what you put in you will get back and if invest it correctly won;t be working till you die.

Average cost of a home is a quarter of a million dollars? Where are you living? Seriously- Then how do you explain there are more homeowners now then there are ever were under Clinton and that number and the homeownership rate is considerably higher.

Look at Kerrys running mate- EDWARDS he is part of the reason health care and medicine is so high. WE need TORT REFORM and medical malpractice needs to go down but it wont if kerry edwards get elected bc that how edwards makes his money.

BLAME KERRY FOR JOBS going oversees- why hasn't he and his wife done more to expand her companies here as opposed to expanding in other countries...


hmmmm

Courtney

I think he voted once or twice over the 20 years not much this year though.

Any other job would get fired for not showing up to work.

ptr,
Kerry's warcrimes were NOT slaughtering people. Kerry's war crimes were going to meet with the VietCong and working out a sweet deal with them, then coming back and supporting it in front of our Congress. Kerry acted as an ally to the enemy in a time of war - a direct violation of military code. He is guilty of treason, and should not be allowed to run for office. That is what the swifties have been saying since 1972. No one has listened, because everyone was opposed to the war; it didn't matter if someone was a traitor as long as the opposed the war.

We can't turn a blind eye to the fact that Kerry has a long track record of turning us over to the enemy. In the 80s, he worked out a sweet deal with the government of Nicaragua: we agreed to withdraw Contra funding, they agreed to break ties with the Russians. Kerry came home, proposed this, pushed to get it through. The Congress trusted him and withdrew all funding for the Contras. A week later the leader of the Niacaraguan goverment took out a loan from the Russians. Now, he wants to have a repeart of the North Korea fiasco. He cares more for making it "fair" for the enemy, even if it means endangering our country.

I don't think Dan Rather was the one who made those documents. They came from somewhere and just like anything else either they are substantiated or ruled fake depending on which way they need to addressed.

In this case, it was best to rule them fake.

Either way, we the people are told what they want us to hear. We are not privy to many things.

I took care of an old nurse who was married to a prominent physician. They had privy to many things that transpired in Fort Deatrick.............she told me a few things about how they did things...........

The one story she told me I thought she's senile...........but guess what.........it was true. And I heard about it before it hit the news and a book was written on it.

So, I totally believe things take place that we will never know the truth at all or until decades later.

Either way, I don't like either party. As far as I'm concerned our government is full of a bunch of pompous old men who don't know the word hard labor and can sit there pushing papers and pens telling the working class people that we can keep on working until we are 70.

Yet those of us they want to continue working that long are doing hard labor jobs and the body is just not cut out to do that type of work that long.

Anyhow, have a good one. It's good that you are true to your beliefs but remember it's not all cut and dried on either side.

[quote=courtneyg,Oct 13 2004, 03:12 PM]
[quote=ptrhost,Oct 13 2004, 05:52 AM]
Maybe, maybe not.............but it does not help that jobs are sent overseas and those companies get tax breaks to do so.
Look at Kerry and his wife. Where are her companies- could they be overseas? I think so..... Kerry and his wife have been farming jobs overseas for years. Just because they are now running for office doesnt excuse the deplorable behavior.

You were probably one of the ones that qualified for the EIC were you not?

Nope, my family falls thru the cracks. Can't afford health insurance but don't qualify for medical assistance. In fact we are 10 grand in debt due to my hospitalization last fall.

Now we would have insurance if I could still do nursing but I was hurt on the job and workmans comp totally sucks. Took me 6 months to get didly from them. But that's another story.

As far as retirement- Bush's idea of individualized retirement savings account is an excellent one bc this guarantees that what you put in you will get back and if invest it correctly won;t be working till you die.

Well, it might be great if I could afford to save. We live week by week paycheck to paycheck. And thats from two menial jobs.

Average cost of a home is a quarter of a million dollars? Where are you living? Seriously- Then how do you explain there are more homeowners now then there are ever were under Clinton and that number and the homeownership rate is considerably higher.

I live in Pa, and the area in which we live is near the capitol city. And a quarter of a million is cheap for a nice home. The nicer homes cost closer to $350,000.

Of course you can find some under or near $100,000 but you will find yourself living in some not so nice areas. Or else it will be a house in such need of repairs that you wonder why they don't condemn them.

Look at Kerrys running mate- EDWARDS he is part of the reason health care and medicine is so high. WE need TORT REFORM and medical malpractice needs to go down but it wont if kerry edwards get elected bc that how edwards makes his money.

BLAME KERRY FOR JOBS going oversees- why hasn't he and his wife done more to expand her companies here as opposed to expanding in other countries...
hmmmm

I have no clue. As I said I don't like either candidate period. In fact I think we need to clean house in Washington and start over. All those old men who are 70, 80 and 90 years old need to go. JMO. lol

Courtney
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One last comment. No hard feelings. Honestly, you all seem well versed and stand by your beliefs.

Me, I don't like either one and won't vote this year.

So, best of luck to you all and hopefully the one that is supposed to be in office will be elected.

And hopefully that person who wins will do the right thing by the American people and all people of all nations.

If we could all just learn to respect one another, love one another and learn to live in peace. This world would be a whole lot better.

Actually, I think it's time we have a woman run for office. Time for change.

Personally, I long for the day when we see a united front and are like Star Trek...

Ok. lol I hear you guys groaning and falling off your chairs laughing at that last comment.

What state do you live in? Almost all state's offer subsidized insurance that is very cheap.


The idea of privitization does not mean you actively save. It means what you already HAVE to pay into Social Security, 6.2 cents for every dollar earned, will be put into a savings account in your name rather than the slush fund. It is invested, but you are guaranteed to have that 6.2% in the account when you are done. If you make a profit from the investment, even better.

The great thing about it is, those who are just entering the workforce will have a long time to save. They will have more saved this way than they would get from regular SS. Also, middle aged workers will have the amount they've already paid put in a bond account that will be mature when they reach retiring age.

True, the age of retirement will be raised, but economists (like Greenspan) have been saying the age of retirement is too low considering the average lifespan.


Answers my previous questions. That's not indicitive of what the average person will have to pay.

LOL this whole thread is the funniest thing I have seen in a LONG time in here

That website is funny as heck!

Think what you will about kerry the republicans as just freaking out because they never thought it would be this close. Dirty politics as usual

Kerry went to war he VOLUNTEERED for active duty...cant say that for Bush...this is just another dirty politics trick and frankly it doesnt look good for the rerpublicans

I didn't see anything about this publication that it is Republican based, only conservative. There are a few conservative parties that are not Republican.

Far as this petition goes, I won't sign it, and I'm not exactly a Kerry fan. I won't sign it because I honor our soldiers, and if there were any subsantial evidence to back these claims it would have come forward long before he decided to run for the presidential office.

I don't even know that one is allowed to write their own recommendation for medals or whatever. It sounds fishy that a commanding officer didn't intervene on behalf of Kerry and his medals. Would he have recieved them without a commanding officer's recommendation?

This happened a long time ago, if indeed there is truth to the matter. Where he stands now is the issue.

This petition and it's claims are a bunch of garbage far as I'm concerned. Why didn't this all come out when he was trying to run for senate? I smell a rat.

Good question courtney!! Very good!

Who can say he didn't report them? Or then again maybe he was afraid to because he didn't want to go home in a body bag the result of friendly fire...........

Funny though how some reports are taken seriously while others are chucked away as made up.

But this is the good ole US of As way of politics.

They totally ignore issues or gloss over them or tell us what we think they want us to hear. And play dirty pool. Is this what our founding fathers had in mind for this country? But then again maybe so, they allowed the Native Americans to be herded and slaughtered like cattle in the name of growth.

Oh well may the best fabricator win. lol

war crimes are going on now under Bush. at least Kerry supposedly admitted to them, where as Bush ignores them.

TOO MANY LIBeral or left winger People in here does not get it at all. Never Want to look what is going in the Future. Im very dissapointment with European? they use to be the most Powerful Continentals in 1800s and 1900s. Now they are weak. Now they are only counting on their Military TO RUN THE UNITED NATION? They want the United Nation to run everything like their Military like navy, marine and more.

Why are so many people are counting on The United Nation in European? Come on You can do better. You need to be indenpence to build your own military to fight a war?

We don't want the United Nation Running the Military in The united states? It is showing that your Country is Weak fighting war in terrorist.


I remember In the Uk use to have the strongest Navy in the World during 1900s.

PEOPLE ALREADY FORGET ABOUT SEP 11, 2001.

Pres Bush Trying to fight against War on terrorist. if we don't do anything against war on terrorist. We are to fight the war in Inside of the United States. We are have to deal fight Terrorist inside the terrorist.

Saddam Huseiss is a Treat in United States. This man gave so many chance.

WAR CRIME IN BUSH. come on They are Rebuilding the Country, Building New school, bank, spending over 180 billion dollars people.

This man trying to do get Rid of terrorist Group in Middle East. This person Trying spread Freedom in the Middle East.

To teach them how Democracy work? More Women right in the middle east, more religious right,

Try to teach them SUICIDE BOMBER is a hurting Islamic Religious.

Davidbugs I am not a Liberal left winger and I do get it..... I just dont agree with you. I know quite a few Republicans that dont agree with you either. Just because people dont agree with you doesnt mean that they "dont get it".

Nobody has forgotten 9/11. 9/11 is not a trophy that anyone should be carrying around like a badge of honor.... It was a tragedy and should be treated as such.

Very well said

That's what I think of all of this.

I don't particularly keep up with politics and either one of the candidates.

Sheesh ... this is crazy.

Ahhh...republicans....They want all of the glory, but none of the blame.

Again, I ask - name the last republican president during whose term this country had unprecidented economic growth

I know the answer, do you?

Jenn maybe this is a good time to get involved with politics. I mean do your own research for both sides...decide on your own who you think best represents you and most of all vote

The 2000 election showed us just how much each vote counts

BTW here are a couple of links to get you started

http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__Bush.htm

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm

http://www.issues2000.org/Ralph_Nader.htm

Thanks for the links, I'm going to bookmark them and study them.

I'm going to be 21 in March ... so you're probably right about this being a good time to get involved.

- Jenn -

I wouldn't sign this petition either. And I'm Republican. Even though Kerry DID admit to committing war crimes. It was a long time ago and he was young. Sometimes we do things we wouldn't ordnarily do when we're young.

And Mystical. You're right. 9/11 isn't a trophy to be carried around like a badge of honor. But neither is Vietnam.

Edited cause my spelling sucks.

NEVER as bad as mine I have to edit just about every post because MY typing/spelling stinks..LOL I never really noticed any spelling errors in yours

My spelling is atrocious. I think I take after my father. He actually spells pictures, pichures! lol Course, even after 24 yrs. of grandchildren, he still puts diapers on backwards. lol Nuff said.

Well if thats the biggest fault (crappy spelling) you are doing good in my book

When was the last unprecedented economic growth that wasn't encouraged by bad economics?


This petition is not about violating the Geneva Convention. This petition is about bringing to light the fact that for 20 years Kerry has dodged a bullet by using Senatorial immunity and manipulating the liberal media. He cannot be convicted on the basis of the war atrocities of Vietnam, because those were orders (and while our Congress is happy to punish Muppets who did so because of orders, we won't do it to our own boys). Kerry offered aid to an enemy nation during a time of war. That was a violation of the UCMJ. He should have been tried as a traitor, just as Fonda should have been.

Unfortunately, he (and Fonda) is getting away with it because there was no real *war*. It was never declared. Vietnam was a police action. The fact that John Kerry tried to sell us out to Vietnamese means nothing because of this. That fact alone does not mean, however, that the American people should ignore Kerry's track record of putting other nations' interests ahead of our own.

If you insist on going on and on (and on and on) about this ... how about offering some references or links to support your case? Somethign that isn't blatant republican propaganda would be great.

If you can give us anything even slightly reliable to back up any of what you say, perhaps people might take your views more seriously.

ANd to this:


I'm going to assume that is directed at me as I'm in Australia. ANd I think it's A HUGE assumption that Australia is "behind Bush" because Little Johnny Howard's pathetic excuse for a government is Dubya's lapdog. It is an absolute crime, but Howard won the election based on lies. lies and more lies. The majority of Australians do NOT support the war, never did and probably never will. The war was really not a primary (or even secondary) issue in the recent election.

I think if more AMericans could see just how much of a laughing stock Bush is in Australian media, many of them would be mighty upset. Down here, he is seen as a joke president, who unfortunately is (allegedly) in control of the biggest/richest nation on Earth, which has dire implications for the safety of the world as a whole.

Kerry (and his party) may not be much better. All accounts seem to suggest the gap in ideology between Republicans & Democrats is thin at most.

Pre-emptive strike = warmongering. By DEFINITION.

I second that notion!! No money, no worries, and everyone contributes to society.

I think that is an excellent plan


ps - as far as the primary topic here......... i refuse to make a statement because 1) i do not feel I am adequately informed to make such a statement and 2) i tend to believe that the US government is an overly corrupt, elitist system that benefits only the rich and personally would prefer to move to Canada or somewhere where a socialist government is in effect, simply because they take better care of their people than our current democratic system does.