Hi,

I went from 200 referals down to 30 refs.

Okay he did a clean of in active users.

I mailed him and asked if xxxx@xxxx.com (3 level 1 refs) still in my downline are. He answered, NO, they where inactive and are deleted.

Strange, these persons live in the same town as me and they are still clicking the links from 1stprofit!

And now I'm getting the following mail from 1stProfit (reached payout!)

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You are in Violation of the "Terms & Conditions" at www.1stProfit.com by having Multiple Accounts (at least 4 accounts)! This is Cheating and against our "Terms and Conditions"! You have 3-days to delete ALL accounts. If you do not delete all accounts within 3-days, we will be forced to Delete all accounts within 24-hours thereafter. All earnings and referrals, if any, will be lost without compensation.
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These 4 accounts are from persons I never heard of, and my PC is not a public but a private PC!

My idea is:

1. He's closing accounts reaching the payout
2. He's taking refs from a downline to sell to others.
3. It's a BIG SCAM site

Mario

I deleted this one myself....I had a decent downline and one day it was gone too...But I was glad to delete it....Too much work for too little money

It is a scam.

I was near to payout, but never get it, because he delete my downline!

SCAM!

looker,out of curiousity..is there any program in your opinion that ISN'T a scam?

Yes, 1heluva

i also lost referrals. I had almost $14 when i went down to $9.00.

and now, i cant get past $11 without losing referrals.

A lot are not scam, and they all payed me.

NOT SCAM and payed me

E-mailvalue
Cash-Highway
Revenue-Doubler
GoldSalary
SendMePaidEmail
Belgian-Bucks
Lucky-Earners (waiting for the 3$ error check)
matrixmails
paidbanners
...

Mario

You see. It is a scam!

Well I have been paid twice by them. I am not saying none of these didnt happen to you all but I dont have a problem getting paid

He uses CAC scripts so when he deletes inactives you are gonna lose $$ thats the way the scripts are

that guy is a scammer

why is he saying that 3 persons aren't anymore in my downline. But they're still clicking his mails and they're still active!

He's taking the refs from persons downline and he's selling them to others !

Mario

do u have proof of this?it'd be interesting to see some evidence of these claims

Yeah would like to see proof. Its not very wise to go around slinging crap like that without any proof. Get the proof post it and then we will all see

if these guy's where first under me!

later they where not anymore in my downline (the webmaster told me by mail that they where deleted).

They live in the same town as me, and they're still in 1stprofit and clicking his mails.

Is that proof or not.

By the way. I got a reply from the webmaster telling that he will sell 1stProfit

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I guess we will put the website
up for sale and get out of this stupid business. Thanks for helping us make
our decision!!!

Best Regards,

webmaster@1stProfit.com
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Mario

thats still not evidence of your claims..whom did he sell the refs to?

If that's no evidence, why did he say that they where deleted?

why are they still subscribed?

why aren't they not anymore in my downline?

And I'm not alone, a lot of persons have the same troubles.

Mario

I deleted my account weeks ago and I just got another email from him

Hi all,

1st profit is definitly a scam. I have the same problems as you have over 200 refs and 2,500 members.
I'm a webmaster myself(run the mokercash.com), but it is impossible to sell referals so much.
He can only sel them by moving this from existing members.

Furthermore, if you want proof this person is a scam:

he charges 10% for paypal costs??? . every one knows th the one who is paid is charged, not the one who is sending the cash!!


And no we are not all scam, i'm not!!

best regards
webmaster mokercash

thx mokercash,

I don't know your site but I know that there is only a small part of the GPTR's are SCAM.

And yes I agree about the fee's for payout, there are several sites asking ridicelous fee's (some even 40 percent for a e-gold payout). I'm paying 4 percent fee to fund my e-gold how can they ask 40%.

About paypal, I don't know because I'm not found of it and I'm not using it anymore.

Mario

would someone please post a definition of the word scam here?And Mario,how about that evidence?Still holding my breath for it...

I posted what the webmaster of 1stprofit said to me about my ref's.

I can not give you more info. And what mokercash is saying about selling refs at such a rate I believe him.

Sorry I'm not so happy about 1stProfit.

This is the second site in 1 month (where I almost reached payout) first paidbizopmail and now 1stProfit.


Mario

maybe thats a hint that youre joining the wrong sites?

He doesn't charge 10% for paypal payment
When we reach $16.5,we get $16.5
I have been paid twice($16.5 X2)
He seems to think he have to send $16.5 for us to get $15. I just think minimum is actually $16.5



I lost many referrals too &my earnings is showing negative balance
They explained that's because they deleted many inactives & cheaters or some of my referrals unsubscribed....and didn't credit lost earnings (about $10) to my account

So I don't like them as much as before & don't think I will get paid again,but can't say they are a scam because of this
there are so many other programs that don't credit lost earnings

The last mail from 1stProfit webmaster to me was that he's going to sell his site.

There is a big chance that the payouts will be stopped, hopefully not, and I hope I'm one of the few persons having troubles with 1stProfit.

And about joining the bad ones, im in a lot of GPTR's and there is maybe 2% of them really bad. and for 1stProfit why I joined months back. Is that I never see any complaints.

Mario

Definitions of scam:

noun: a fraudulent business scheme
verb: deprive of by deceit


Pretty definitive !!

"Hi,

You are in Violation of the "Terms & Conditions" at www.1stProfit.com by having Multiple Accounts (at least 4 accounts)! This is Cheating and against our "Terms and Conditions"! You have 3-days to delete ALL accounts. If you do not delete all accounts within 3-days, we will be forced to Delete all accounts within 24-hours thereafter. All earnings and referrals, if any, will be lost without compensation.

1. xxxx@vtmmail.be
2. xxxx@yahoo.com
3. xxxx@pandora.be
4. xxxx@yahoo.com


Best Regards,


www.1stProfit.com"

LOLOLOL

What a load of rubbish!
I have never had multiple accounts anywhere - I can't keep up with single ones some days

And if he was ANY kind of professional webmaster he would be able to see that simply by checking the IP addresses of all involved.

He's not very bright if he doesn't know how to do that.

Or, maybe he just hit the wrong button and sent the same thing to everyone?

Or maybe there is a gremlin in there doing it for him??

Or maybe he just doesn't love me any more???

*sob*

It's no good.
I am heartbroken.
I am going to go put my head in the oven



Cy

Hi Cy

I had the same mail from him,

I'm the xxxx@vtmmail.be

so you have the same IP like me, wow how are you doing that ? IP-spoofing

For me he is still a SCAM

Mario

Noooooooooooo Mario, not a scam - just a bit dim, so we must pity the poor little man.

I have a big oven - you heartbroken too?


Cy

my 1stprofit eanring use only advertising

Hi
after i cancelend my account at 1st profit. I sent a mail to the webmaster telling he is a total scam. This is what he replied:

We have always been honest answering questions the best we could with the
information we had at the time. We have worked 7-days a week 8-12 hours
every day to maintain everything...on average 70-hours per week. We have
personally made about $200 for all the three months work we have put in to
being online after all bills are paid. That averages about $0.23 per hour.
We have paid every member their payouts on time...taking money out of our
pockets to do that even. Can your family or you live on $0.23 and hour? I'm
getting so tired defending myself everyday...I guess we will put the website
up for sale and get out of this stupid business. Thanks for helping us make
our decision!!!

I'm a webmaster too, but i'm not complaining about my earnings per hour!!
At least it is no reason to cheat the system .
If he was honest, he would not have such accusations.

I advised him to sell the site asap, becasue we do not need such webmasters and it will only gives us a bad image.

webmaster mokercash

You go MOKERCASH! Woohoo!

Good work Moker

I lost also a complete downline at near payout

That was the same mail (3th one) I received from him.

For so far I get out that mail is that he made some profit!

A lot of new GPTR sites can't say that after 3 months but they don't complain about the hard work.

He prob thought he would be making money (profit) from the first day.

And when he gonna sell the site what will he ask 1000$ to make his houres of work good.

I think that most of the webmasters see there site like a personal downlinebuilder and a great hobby and third if they make some money with it, why not they earn it. (It's prob almost impossible to have a full income with a gptr site)

Mario

Hi all

The story goes on. I received another mail form 1stprofit(at least now he is answering::

Hi Len,

It's really easy to make accusations isn't it. It seems that you can't
please everyone all of the time. We have not ripped-off anyone!!! In my
opinion, you are mad because you haven't gotten your way with whatever you
wanted...for whatever reason. We try to balance finding and deleting
cheaters and working a clean database for our members and sponsors. But you
probably don't know anything about doing that kind of thing. We have not
been telling people for a long time that we are going to sell our site. We
always have that opportunity. In our opinion, you want us to just drop out
of site (for your own petty reasons) and you haven't even thought about
hurting all the members in the program. In our opinion, "You are the
SCAMMER"!!!

I gave him evidence that he was cheating( got a couple of friends signing up under me, and after this i let a couple signup in the second level etc. , so i could check. Guess what,suddenly my downline as gone reaching almost pay out. I checked with my friends and they did not canceled, in fact they were still a member. He just transfered my friends to other members!!!)
This was my last mail to 1stprofit. My job is done. He won't have to sell his site anymore, because in due time he will have no members lef, only stupid ones.

best regards
len van Rekom

He sucks!

I'm happy now, that's at least minus 10 mails in my mailbox and 200 clicks I don't have to do, I hope the webmaster of 1stProfit is happy now with my earnings and my refs he sold (and a bit less bandwith).

Mario

I am gone to!

1st profit is a scam!

1stprofit.com have to changed domain name

1stprofit TO 1stscam ??

Hi all

1stprofit is definitly the worst cheating programm is know. This is the only programm i won't allow to advertise on mokercash

Why is it that programs that create funds for downline referral
efforts don't let you know who your down lines are?
Not private info but username & email addresses!
Good Programs will like 1helluva,clickitycash etc....
Others seem to be able to delete downlines and do this because unless you know them personally, you can't check to see if removal was real or not !
C,mon PTR webmasters , come clean with the downline info for your members & watch your program grow...grow ...& grow!
If you join a program let the person know you joined under them.....
or quit under them...
I have 54 Downline members in Richmails & I know only three !
I did have 63?
Who quit? was terminated?
I will never know !
I will also quit 1stProfit this week !
The Infohound!
infohound@charter.net rick@info-hound.com
By the way titanic rewards sent an email talking about John caused her to lose her data base......
John who anybody know?