What is an Iframe cheater?

Nevermind. I did a search, and found my answer.

Hope you make it clear! Can't wrong people at will.

what about cashstation guys nothing is writeen about this site . Is this a Scam site?

Cash-station do pays but it's getting hard to earn back yr money from this site and the site owner pays really slow...

Gain pay pays extremely slow too. The first time I cashed out it took 5 days and I am going on my second cash out which is also going on 5 days now, plus I have took a recording of my earnings, gone and done roughly 20 emails and gone back to my earnings, and it didn't go up at all, neither does my earnings from my downline and I have 3 people in it.

Hello everybody,

does anyone know if "welovepay" pays out?

thx a lot

is it a fast earner ?

Big SCAM. Programs offering $ as Ad Values are Scam (expect Redeem Only Sites)!

GainPay isn't a scam. It's paid me and dozens and dozens of others. If you have problems, you might want to contact the webmasters.

Oh, and 5 days isn't long for a payment. My SAS payment took more than a month and no doubt there are lot of others who can show you even more impressive numbers...

So be happy that you were paid in just 5 days

Fist off, I never said the site was a scam, I said it was slow to pay. And second, 5 days is a long time to receive pay when it takes you almost a month to make that money, so no I am not happy!!!!! I have sent many messages to this site and have NEVER received a response

That's true, you didn't. But Music-King did, at least before he corrected his post

By the way, here's a quote from GainPay TOS:



5 days is well within that 30 day period. I don't think you will ever get a response if you complain about 5 days being too slow...

@konso: Yeah, I'm sorry for this mistake. I didn't mean GainPay is scam, just quoted the wrong post and I'm deeply sorry for this Now by reading I saw my mistake and quoted the correct post... So also from my site: GainPay IS NO SCAM and was never on the Black-List!!

Hi all

Well, after the requested payments on lookingemail and greetgold, I erased these 2 sites because they are scams !

But now can you tell me about those sites please :

- honestmails : pays ? (I requested a payment on June 18 th and saw that somebody was paid yesterday so I don't know.... I just send a mail to see)
- laberbidbiz : I know he cheats but soon I'll be at the minimum payout (after I'll erase him ) so does he pay ?
- gem-mail : I requested payment on June 27th but I never read anything about them even if it's on your black list

It's enough So can you say me if these 3 sites REALLY PAY at the present time ? Thanks a lot

i was paid by avant_cash so i wouldnt blacklist it but i have emailed trade-mails and no reply and still no cashout button,thanks for the list.

Cheryl

All three programs can be found on the Black-List



Geeze... if all the member telling me avant-cash shouldn't be on the Black-List pays me $1 I would be rich, lol. Why not simply have a look why this program is on the list?

Here's another PO to add to the list, Raven.

After her fiasco with BOTH Fantasy World emails (Threatening the PO who took over after she vanished for over 3 months) AND Halloween, and lies in her admin mails, both programs are gone, with no expliantion.

I'm not even sure I buy her 'I was sick' story anymore.

Also don't get why she demanded to get Fantasy back (And threatend legal actions) when she didn't deal with Halloween. Never mind the two PO who were watching it were doing her a favor.

Also invited members to write to her if they had any questions. Funny how all my emails to her never got a single response.

Could be more programs I don't know about that she owns, but she's proven to be a lying and untrusthworthy PO. Personal opinion but what I got from her was a bratty attidue.

You might want to add netbizclicks...not paying and have no emails for days...

The last email was on 7-04-06

The site started back like not even 2 month!

Put them in the black list as well....

You should also add New Generation PTR to your list.

This site has vanished and NO word from the oh so honest PO that everyone was defending just a short time ago.

Members have sent this PO emails and they have been returned undeliverable. She know how to come to the forums and is a member here and still NO word.

IMO, this site was a big joke from the get go, having to pay to be a member, come on, get real. The site wasn't all that good to begin with

That's right!!!! Put them on the black list!!!!!!

You can add the following to your list: Opus Mails, Nick of Time E-mail, BeeHiveMail, and Nocturnal E-mail.

These have all done disappearing acts.

UKPaidMails still exists but they have been inactive for well over one and one-half years.

Regards,

TrueBrits

England

King i was paid this morning by cashorigins.com

Well Music-King, I know that honestmails, laberbidbiz and gem-mail are on the list but sometimes a few sites cheat but pays however like avant-cash for example and for me that's the main thing. So you didn't exactly answer my question

Now, after a few days and mails without any response I can confirm you that these sites DON'T PAY. For exemple, in laberbidbiz site, I'm on the "been PAID list" but I haven't receive any payment !

Really thanks to all members here who help to update this list with their own experience

boatingmails is a scam to and im in 7thheavenptr has anyone been paid by them?

Now outstandingmails is paying.I'm the new admin of this site so the old members' balance are all set to 0.00. Active and honest members will get paid.And many random payments.
Date Username Amount Payment
7/21/2006 holiday12 0.69 Commissions Payment
7/21/2006 uwe6003120 0.41 Commissions Payment
7/21/2006 titti 0.60 Commissions Payment
7/21/2006 cavernica 0.65 Commissions Payment
7/21/2006 toni123 0.41 Commissions Payment
7/21/2006 freelife2 0.31 Commissions Payment
7/21/2006 coomane 0.37 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 brezzamagoo 0.24 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 devna2006 0.12 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 sweat1951 0.66 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 vdarsigny 0.32 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 wantcash05 0.50 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 hyto 0.12 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 fairstart 0.64 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 ricky8 0.67 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 dorothyhyde 0.05 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 lorch61 0.57 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 arnoldus 0.42 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 bangbuex51 0.58 Commissions Payment
7/20/2006 hendex 0.67 Commissions Payment

outstandingmails, Huge Random Payout to Every Honest Searchers and Prize and no Auto click search site!!!

very thanks,i knew more information!

turtle-mails.com ought to be added. Viruses and all sorts attatched to their paid links

No wonder this site is on the black list


You can also add Storm of Cash.
This used to be a good site until it was sold to JJ. Apparently the sale went sour and now the site points to Synergyptp which is owned by the old owner of Stormofcash. Storm Ids do not work there and no reply from admin to questions.

Site has a new honest webmaster !! please old honest member join again now payments Will Be within 48 hours.

First I want to apologize for beeing a bit behind with updating the list. I have family problems and other more important things then internet (and then my two sites came first), so please hang on until I found time to update it, okay? Let me say I will check each suggested site, check facts and other opinions. Please don't get mad if I don't list a site because one person complains.

@truebrits: Opus Mails & Nick of Time E-mail are still online, so why set them on the Black-List?
Generally spoken: It doesn't make any sence put vanished sites on the Black-List because when they're gone, no one can join. Vanished programs can't cheat anymore...

@ohiostarr: I never said they don't pay. Why not simple check the reasson for beeing on the list?

@chaplinou: with your posting you say "They can cheat whoever they want as long as they don't cheat me I don't care". I don't wanna be a moralizer but you support an illegal acting staying a member at this program. You complain when you got cheated but don't care if they cheat other? So you think it's okay cheat other but it's not okay cheat you, huh? Sorry, but I can't get this...

@wenhaotc: 1) you still use IFrames, the reasson this site is on the list (please have a look!). 2) On your page is stated "Don't make valid search and inactivity member will be delete" A reasson for not delete your site from the list because you force searches which isn't an allowed practise, search site or not. I agree it's sad if member doesn't do valid searches and my opionion is, if they have checked "search" as interest or join a search site, they should do valid searches but you can't delete anyone for not doing this...

Hum well I think I didn't say that or you didn't understand what I would say ^^ I only said that some programs are paying, as Avant-Cash do, even if they are on the black list for any reason as using 0-iframe for example. The worst cheater for me is the site that DON'T PAY anybody. Some programs don't cheat (using 0-iframe) but don't pay too... I understood that the sites that use 0-iframes can crash down the netbrowser and can win more themselves, isn't it (sorry I'm a poor girl and i'm not an expert for those things ^^) ? But for me, if this same site pay me for my clicks it's the most important no ? I said nothing about the others who are cheated i only talk about my own experience And I don't know why I'd unsubscribe from avant-cash because I win 2$ every 15 days...

PS : sorry for your problems but you're right : there's NOT only the net on the world

pay is not the most important ethical practices aka inethical practices include using iframes to cheat others is not ok.

Not trying to attack you esp since you dont understand it all yet.

@chaplinou: You wanna hear a reasson for leaving avant-cash?
1) The money you get payed by them is earned illegal as someone got ripped off by avant-cash
2) There are plenty other paying sites with low payout and great earnings opportunity.
3) With staying with avant-cash you support their illegal actions.

I don't wanna attack you neither but programs that cheat other to pay member (like avant-cash) are also cheater, not only those who don't pay out. For example: someone rips you off, steal you your money to pay debts. Do you think that's okay? I bet you don't. But that's what avant-cash does. They steal money from search engines! You think it's okay if someone robs other people to pay you out. You don't care if the money you get is earned illegal. avant-cash IS stealing other people's money with using iframes, and so do all other programs usign iframes. Taking their money means, you don't mind someone got robed, someone was stolen the money. I think it's not okay stay with such programs. Like said there are plenty of paying programs that earn their site income LEGAL without scamming anyone. It's no argument saying "Mainthing I get paid, I don't care who got ripped off for this".

Scammer, no matter what kind of scam, destroy the PTR industry. How many small sites fight for survive or had to close because they don't earn enough money to pay their member. And other sites that are scammer have thousands of member although it's well-known what illegal methos they have... Please think about it

Well, don't be irritated. I didn't know that seach engines were stolen like this. I didn't understand how serious was this 0-iframe affair Now I understand better what you're talking about. So OK you're right. The most pathetic in the PTR world is that, as you say, there are more and more scams, even some honest ones in the past turn into scams today. Moreover, Paypal doesn't arrange the situation. Well, I'm not a thief. I try to do my best in this new world that I know since 3 months only. So don't juge me please.


Now it's time for holidays so have a nice day

Just as I figured, you were unaware.

Now that you are aware you will try not to be a part of those type of sites right?

NP, that you were unaware just trying our best not to insult you, while informing you.

@chaplinou: It's okay, it wasn't my intention to judge you and I didn't want to make you feel beeing a cheater! You just didn't know about this system so I explained it to you. We're here to help newbies, not only by list scam PTRs but also answer question and to inform about methods some programs are using.
Happy holiday

Please add gg-ads.com and joinusmail.com to scam list. I paid 22$ via egold and requested 1 advertisement in each PTR. There was no reply rom webmaster. I also sent message after 4 day and after 7 days after I bought ads and filled advertiser form. There was also no reply to my messages (I used contact form on both PTR's so webmuster must received my messages). I posted 2 topics about it on GPF. Now we have 2 weeks after I bought ads. I think theese PTR's are even worse than scam, because they stolen my 22$, which I have paid them. Even Scams with links worth 0.1 - 1000000$ mails send advertisements bought form egold/pp etc. so in my opinion gg-ads and joinusmail are totally scams.

also new site thats definitly a scam is onlygravy

and also...sprintcash...
it is a big big scam .
they said the minimum for free member is 40$.
i reach 60$ and there is no cash out botton.
so a ask for advertise.
and also there is no answer.
there is also cloudmails.
mystromails.




but guys i got paid from worldwide mail 3 times.

a really good list indeed, thank you

trustfulmails has a new owner since a week or 2, i don't think he's an iframe cheater.

Seekbizs is a scam, after 4 days, still no payout.

Just added a few more sites to the list. Thanks to everyone for helping me keep this site updated by reporting your experiences!

I would like to add :

Amity-cash (took $1 for not searches, what a joke, I did valid searches in every mails I opened except when the SE didn't get me the result)

The wm is very unhonest person, cheater.

Please give a full list of all the non paying/cheater/scam PTR sites

lol That's simply impossible as there are too many scamer out there. But with checking the ad prices will tell a lot of a site. A good article about this can be found here:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...p;#entry4293139

Its not easy finding the scams so I would be interested in that list as well It maka me crazy

Most scammer are easy to determine as they offer unrealistic ad values as e.g. $5 and up per mail. If you want a list why not take mine?

gogomails.info is running unregistered scripts

on the front page it looks like they are forcing searches or at least treating valid searches differently as they have lower payout for 'active' searchers



They have a search engine on the same domain, when you click a keyword you go to a pay with neoffic on it.


So I think this site should go (back?) on the scam list, and thanks for your continuing efforts music king!