Hi Y'all,
How can we share info on cheaters in our programs?

just post the username without the email at the end of it

Hooray for you gypsydad!!!

I had actually suggested something like this in another thread. Perhaps start your topic in the Program Owners Only folder so that none of us can see what is being said - after all - it isn't any of our business. If you confirm that someone is a cheater, after discussing the issue with that person, if you want to post the name under a warning thread for the rest of us to see, you can do so.

I am fed up with trying to get referrals and trying to make a little bit of money honestly - only to have this taken away because of cheating. All webmasters should try and get together to try and eliminate this.

Only one problem though - what if the webmaster himself/herself is a cheat??

Ummm ... wouldn't a global database of cheaters be useful? I mean a site where only webmasters will have access to list usernames/emails/ips and look up info? eventually popular ptr scripts could be modified to look this info up automatically upon registration and deny access to a banned user?

sounds like a good idea to me, but i don't know the degree to which you would need it...

So I m a programm owner.....
For example I dont like you baph0met! (example ej )
I will add you to the list and you never can join a programm again....

I dont think it will work....

What about making software where you cant cheat

well I don't like you either! LOL

I admit I haven't thought of that. Okay, the idea needs to be worked on, I still won't give it up

As for software where you can't cheat... I don't know what problems the webmaster s have, i.e. what the cheaters do... Someone care to list some key issues?

a major cheating issue is members signing up multiple times using a proxy server and a random password generator and multiple email addys that send all the emails to ONE email address.

so--when you or I or any program owner find someone like this, there should be a way to notify the other owners without everyone else seeing it. Our privacy statements will not allow openly airing e-mail addresses etc. even of thieves.
Or am I wrong about this?

I usually make a statement in the private forum for us webby's about certain cheaters, like an early warning system.

.. but I was referring to baph0met's question about cheating issues we have ... this particular one I mentioned is hard for us to detect as a cheater even if we know it in our hearts they are cheating but dont have enough evidence because of the inconsistent details. If there was a way to ban proxies maybe they would get fed up of logging in to all their different email accounts lol

As for the privacy thing I am really not sure ... I am sure the TOS could be changed to state that if a member is caught cheating then other webmasters could be informed ...

mmm ... checking for proxies could be implemented at signup ... and I don't mean the lame solution of checking for the HTTP headers, but something like verifying whether there's an open proxy running on the standard ports (80, 8080, 1080, 3128). This should take a couple of seconds and could be made as a step in the signup process (a page saying step x of y Please wait while we're checking for open proxies).

It's not even hard to implement. then if the user is "clean" he can carry on with the signup, if not he'll be redirected to a page saying "sorry buddy you're using an open proxy, contact us if you really should use one" -- who knows there might be legit users.

how does this sound?

Like to add something here. I have 2 computers networked and my brother wants to signup for his own PTC etc. Its two different person but same ip. So there is no way my brother can get paid?

About the proxy etc.. People can signup in different ways, they can use their friends, go to lan and signup. I think proxy checking should be done everytime user login. But there are isps that use proxy so that could be a problem too.. I dont there there is a 100% cheat detection software/script out there.

Anyway, i hope you find those cheaters.

I'm talking about OPEN PROXIES (i.e. proxies where everybody has access). No ISP should use them, open proxies are just misconfigured normal proxy servers. Checking for open proxies is quite resource/time consuming (you're a programmer, you should know it, you have to open a couple of TCP connections to the remote computer...), I doubt it's useful to do it at every login... how many different computers can a cheater have access to?


I think most programs won't allow it. But .... contact all webmasters and explain the problem, maybe they'll understand

If you dont contact the webmaster before you BOTH join then you might find BOTH accounts disappearing.

Not many webmasters will allow you to, as we only have your word for it that there are indeed two people.

If you dont contact the webmaster before you BOTH join then you might find BOTH accounts disappearing.

Not many webmasters will allow you to, as we only have your word for it that there are indeed two people.

Also you are right .. some ISP's use a proxy server

Hi everyone,
I am a program owner and I personally don't think there is anyway to stop cheating in our programs.

Maybe we can't stop them completely, but we sure can find ways to make it harder for them.

Maybe not stop it, but limiting it as much as possible!