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I have just been informed that Brian of xtremeemails has dumped his site on his girl friend madonna. He has walked away with over $30,000 of members money. Madonna wants to keep the site and drop everyone to a zero balance. That means that I lose over $50. I am filing criminal thefe charges against brian with the IRS a little later. I want this guy behind bars. He is trying to get a real estate license and I will do everything I can to stop him. He'll just steal from his clients there too. Be advised, xtremeemails is done.
Yeah, I also got that mail too. I don't wanna loose my earnings. That's not good. 
QUOTE(unkunk @ Sep 3 2004, 02:42 AM)
I have just been informed that Brian of xtremeemails has dumped his site on his girl friend madonna. He has walked away with over $30,000 of members money. Madonna wants to keep the site and drop everyone to a zero balance. That means that I lose over $50. I am filing criminal thefe charges against brian with the IRS a little later. I want this guy behind bars. He is trying to get a real estate license and I will do everything I can to stop him. He'll just steal from his clients there too. Be advised, xtremeemails is done.
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I have over $80 in my account. I requested payout a few months ago but did not get it. Brian is a scoundrel but I do not blame Madonna for any of this. I hope Madonna will be able to do something for people with high balances who requested payout a long time ago and spent a lot of time and effort to get to those balances. Madonna seems to be a nice and considerate person so I have some hope. I can't believe Brian for leaving her with his mess to clean up.
So here we go again. Another con-artist takes advantage of us and bails. The only saving grace is we have someone taking over that is being honest from the get-go and seems to have a respect and concern for members so far, unlike certain other programs (I don't think I need to mention names.......)
I'm going to give Madonna a chance, at least for now. I hope I will not be disappointed. I hope people don't start taking it out on Madonna right now before she has a chance to prove herself.
And Brian if you're out there, I sure hope the old saying "what goes around comes around" is true because it deserves to apply to you. I want my $80+! You have some nerve. Hope you're happy you managed to take advantage of a mother of 2 sets of twins who can't afford to waste her time with conmen.
I agree about not blaming Madonna. But here is the problem. This is a woman who has barely any income basically opening a business (essentially thats what it will be if she starts it over). She stated in an email a while back that shes trying to get disability... so this means she has no start up money or anything else to back up this business. Where is the hosting money coming from?
And unless she makes the upgraded members also start over as free members, shes already in debt because of their monthly ads. And who is going to trust the site to actually put money into it?
Almost all the site support accounts were in Brian's name I belive... he bragged at having over $200 in 2 SEs from site support... so she doesnt even have access to that I would assume.
Brian
And unless she makes the upgraded members also start over as free members, shes already in debt because of their monthly ads. And who is going to trust the site to actually put money into it?
Almost all the site support accounts were in Brian's name I belive... he bragged at having over $200 in 2 SEs from site support... so she doesnt even have access to that I would assume.
Brian
My advice for Madonna
leave it to rot
it was NOT your doing Madonna, but guaranteed you will be the one catching the flack when it all boils down to it.
thank you for keeping the site going as long as you have, but really, drop the dead weight
leave it to rot
it was NOT your doing Madonna, but guaranteed you will be the one catching the flack when it all boils down to it.
thank you for keeping the site going as long as you have, but really, drop the dead weight
I just read the admin mail...
Sadly I dont know if Brian can get into any trouble. Madonna admits she jumped at the chance to take it over... which basically means she accepted it no questions asked and thus agreed to take over the debt... Here is the admin mail for those that didnt see it... judge for yourself if you think Madonna just didnt jump into the fire on her own free will:
I bolded that one part for emphasis
Sadly I dont know if Brian can get into any trouble. Madonna admits she jumped at the chance to take it over... which basically means she accepted it no questions asked and thus agreed to take over the debt... Here is the admin mail for those that didnt see it... judge for yourself if you think Madonna just didnt jump into the fire on her own free will:
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I have a few things to say so this is going to be very lengthy. This morning Brian
turned the site over to me, so now I am the new owner of Xtreme Emails. Now the site is in
debt, badly and I don't have any money as you all know. I don't know for sure what options
are open to me. At first I thought about asking you all if you would be willing to wipe the
slate clean and start fresh. I don't how you all feel about that but since I have no money
and I want to keep all of you then that is my first option. After that I'm not sure what other
options there might be. I know that's a crazy idea but I would like to know your thoughts on
that or any other suggestions you might think helpful send it to
Madonna@xtremeemails.com I know that is asking alot because as a clicker myself I know
that you work hard for your money. So please be nice in your suggestions on that idea! We
will have to figure out ways to cut things down some because the site debt is almost "OH
Boy" $30,000.00! I've never even seen that much money before! So, that would be very
difficult for me to get us out of. I am going to send out some non-paid site support links,
if you wish XE to survive then please help out by clicking on them. If you all can see your
way through to start fresh with me with a clean slate then I promise you will get paid when
you are due. Because again as I've always said all revenue generated from site support
will go towards payouts and nothing else. I will be checking to see if there are any other
options for me so please hang in there with me. I jumped at the chance to take over XE but
I don't know how to pull it out of debt. I love you all so much and I don't want to lose any
of you. Now the redemption page is closed until I can figure out what to do. As I said if you
have any suggestions that you think might help please send them to me and I will look
them over and carefully consider each one. This is your site too so I want to make the best
of it for all of us. I will be sending out the support links shortly, the reason they will be
non paid is because I can't afford to lose any of the accounts right now as you all know. We
need every penny we can bring in. I'm going to go now and see what all there is to do and
I will also get the support links together. Thank you all and I hope and pray that you will
all stick with me, because I can't do it without you.
((( HUGS ))) Madonna
Thank you
Madonna XE
P.S. One thing Brian had mentioned was that he could turn this into an advertising only site,
and I know you did not want that. I just wanted to mention that to you.
turned the site over to me, so now I am the new owner of Xtreme Emails. Now the site is in
debt, badly and I don't have any money as you all know. I don't know for sure what options
are open to me. At first I thought about asking you all if you would be willing to wipe the
slate clean and start fresh. I don't how you all feel about that but since I have no money
and I want to keep all of you then that is my first option. After that I'm not sure what other
options there might be. I know that's a crazy idea but I would like to know your thoughts on
that or any other suggestions you might think helpful send it to
Madonna@xtremeemails.com I know that is asking alot because as a clicker myself I know
that you work hard for your money. So please be nice in your suggestions on that idea! We
will have to figure out ways to cut things down some because the site debt is almost "OH
Boy" $30,000.00! I've never even seen that much money before! So, that would be very
difficult for me to get us out of. I am going to send out some non-paid site support links,
if you wish XE to survive then please help out by clicking on them. If you all can see your
way through to start fresh with me with a clean slate then I promise you will get paid when
you are due. Because again as I've always said all revenue generated from site support
will go towards payouts and nothing else. I will be checking to see if there are any other
options for me so please hang in there with me. I jumped at the chance to take over XE but
I don't know how to pull it out of debt. I love you all so much and I don't want to lose any
of you. Now the redemption page is closed until I can figure out what to do. As I said if you
have any suggestions that you think might help please send them to me and I will look
them over and carefully consider each one. This is your site too so I want to make the best
of it for all of us. I will be sending out the support links shortly, the reason they will be
non paid is because I can't afford to lose any of the accounts right now as you all know. We
need every penny we can bring in. I'm going to go now and see what all there is to do and
I will also get the support links together. Thank you all and I hope and pray that you will
all stick with me, because I can't do it without you.
((( HUGS ))) Madonna
Thank you
Madonna XE
P.S. One thing Brian had mentioned was that he could turn this into an advertising only site,
and I know you did not want that. I just wanted to mention that to you.
I bolded that one part for emphasis
adding more thoughts because my brain needs to be defragmented.
Brian is guilty of taking advantage of Madonna and using her and then using her sense of honesty and naiveness to just dump the site on her. He prolly knew that she would just take it because she got attached to it and the members.
I hope they really arent in a relationship (the OP said gf madonna). because that would mean poor Madonna would be getting manipulated daily..
Brian
Brian is guilty of taking advantage of Madonna and using her and then using her sense of honesty and naiveness to just dump the site on her. He prolly knew that she would just take it because she got attached to it and the members.
I hope they really arent in a relationship (the OP said gf madonna). because that would mean poor Madonna would be getting manipulated daily..
Brian
In all honesty, site debt of $30,000 is a bit different from Brian making off with $30,000 of member earnings.
That said, Madonna should not continue with the site unless she has a plan to implement practices that will prevent the site from creating the same kind of debt problems it is currently having. If she chooses to take it and zeroes out the current earnings, members should keep an eye out for changes that make it sustainable.
There is also the trust factor. Members should ask themselves how much they trust in this not being some sort of ploy and Brian will be back as soon as the debt is erased. The fact that their TOS and emails contain demands for valid searches, which causes the loss of SE affiliate accounts when reported to SEs and feeds, should also be a concern for members. If the SE revenue dies, can the site survive? Would it be worth it?
That said, Madonna should not continue with the site unless she has a plan to implement practices that will prevent the site from creating the same kind of debt problems it is currently having. If she chooses to take it and zeroes out the current earnings, members should keep an eye out for changes that make it sustainable.
There is also the trust factor. Members should ask themselves how much they trust in this not being some sort of ploy and Brian will be back as soon as the debt is erased. The fact that their TOS and emails contain demands for valid searches, which causes the loss of SE affiliate accounts when reported to SEs and feeds, should also be a concern for members. If the SE revenue dies, can the site survive? Would it be worth it?
Brian is a loser. I used to chat with him on msn. And before I upgraded a while back I asked him if site was in good standing. He assured me it was, and I had nothing to worry about and that his members could 'trust' him
LOL what a load of BS
He's like all the others out there. Open up a site, be OH SOOO nice to your members.
Run ad special upon ad special to get the money rolling in
Pay a few members so they will praise you and the site, so more will join and give money for advertising
Then, do a runner with the money.
Sites in debt, but I bet Brian walked away with a nice tidy sum
LOL what a load of BS
He's like all the others out there. Open up a site, be OH SOOO nice to your members.
Run ad special upon ad special to get the money rolling in
Pay a few members so they will praise you and the site, so more will join and give money for advertising
Then, do a runner with the money.
Sites in debt, but I bet Brian walked away with a nice tidy sum
It is hard enough when a site is not in debt...
it is hard enough if you have money to start with..
to take on site debt of 30k is just about impossible given the current climate..
look at the poor excuses at annies etc....
and while this gal sounds "nice" that is not going to pay anyone...
wiping the slate clean?? still hosting costs, and as was pointed out the cost of upgraded members...and will this gal bring new ads?? I think she will have a hard time..the sites rep is bad after rolling back the debt...no one will support it for long..
better to give it up now....just close it...
and yes...the other conclusion is thay might be "in" it together....
as for the clickers?? unsub...I doubt this gal can pay u
QUOTE(yetanotherphoenix @ Sep 3 2004, 03:59 AM)
In all honesty, site debt of $30,000 is a bit different from Brian making off with $30,000 of member earnings.
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I disagree. I think it is the same. If anyone else broke an agreement - payment in exchange for services (in this case, the service would be that we view advertiser's ads), they would be held responsible for that money. The civil courts in the US deal with such cases every day. It's called "theft of services," it is illegal, and it is the same as stealing.
so if I create a site, and scam people for their money and then pretend to be a bouncy bubbly personality (gag), lol , I can reset all the accounts to 0 and start it over again..... ??????
Have no idea who is real at that site, but xtremee should just close its doors and if Madonna wants a site she should start her own.
Personally I'd be a little skeptical here.
Have no idea who is real at that site, but xtremee should just close its doors and if Madonna wants a site she should start her own.
Personally I'd be a little skeptical here.
Anyone starting or taking over a business with no money shows a great lack of common sense or responsibility.
good grief 
woohoo, glad I learned my lesson fairly early about joining just any ol' site
woohoo, glad I learned my lesson fairly early about joining just any ol' site
QUOTE(lococat @ Sep 3 2004, 05:05 AM)
so if I create a site, and scam people for their money and then pretend to be a bouncy bubbly personality (gag), lol , I can reset all the accounts to 0 and start it over again..... ??????
Seems to be a pretty common business plan around PTR. Doesn't even have to be a good personality, just a differnt one
QUOTE(Heather17 @ Sep 2 2004, 03:41 PM)
I disagree. I think it is the same. If anyone else broke an agreement - payment in exchange for services (in this case, the service would be that we view advertiser's ads), they would be held responsible for that money. The civil courts in the US deal with such cases every day. It's called "theft of services," it is illegal, and it is the same as stealing.
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You misunderstand what I am saying. I do not mean that his responsibility for the debt is not still there or that he has not done something illegal. But the OP stated that he ran off with $30,000 not that he left that much site debt. $30,000 of site debt is not $30,000 spendable dollars in his pocket. As someone pointed out, there is probably that site debt PLUS a tidy sum in his pocket as well.
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QUOTE(Heather17 @ Sep 2 2004, 04:41 PM)
I disagree. I think it is the same. If anyone else broke an agreement - payment in exchange for services (in this case, the service would be that we view advertiser's ads), they would be held responsible for that money. The civil courts in the US deal with such cases every day. It's called "theft of services," it is illegal, and it is the same as stealing.
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how about a class action suit ....... appears from WHOIS that US laws would apply. he is listed as registrant not her (and i presume this still makes him the responsible party) ... would, no doubt, end up costing more to sue, but it may set a precedent .... any lawyers out there clicking in their spare time who want to take the case on pro bono???
XtremeEmails was the last high-link value, high-payout site I joined and put effort into. I'm still clicking enough not to be deleted at April Gold's, Black Emails, My Sweetheart Mail, and Yna and Star Pays, hoping for a miracle, but XE was the only one left that I really thought might actually pay me. Therefore, I just lost my last bit of irrational newbie naivete. It's a big LIFE EVENT, I tell you! 
QUOTE(nikanji @ Sep 2 2004, 04:37 PM)
I just lost my last bit of irrational newbie naivete. It's a big LIFE EVENT, I tell you!
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Congrats, nikanji. Off I go to get balloons, hats, noisemakers, etc. Time to partay!
Sorry you lost earnings with it though.
What's the payout on this site, $50 for free members?
Brian if you should be reading this and laughing at us - you suck - i bought and paid for upgraded membership and now you just walk away - you knew this when i paid you and you cant tell me you didnt - well theres another wm that has burned us - this is getting so sad - im gonna walk away from all of them i rally think i am
I got burned again too...does this creep Brian own any other sites? I need to weed out these bad webmasters and only join a site if the webbie is already a successful one. Any info on this guy would be appreciated and by the way...where does he live...What state? Maybe someone in his home state could at least take him to small claims court or something so he doesn't get away with all of it.
Hi Everyone...
First off I need to point out again that Brian and I don't even know eachother
except through IM and my being a member to begin with at XE! We are not an item
at all. The reason I jumped at the chance, well honestly I did'nt want to leave all of
you, I've grown very fond of the members at XE. I am not saying that I want you
to wipe your earnings clean and start over, I was just trying to come up with ideas
because it's true I don't have the money to pull it out of the debt it's incurred! And
I know alot of you did not want it to become an ads only site, I don't blame you for
that. I do have some plans on making it a more sustainable site. I just know that
if there is any way whatsoever for me to take care of everyone, I will. I just don't
know how yet I did'nt want to see someone get it that would be indifferent or
even down right cruel to my members, I don't want you guys and girls treated bad
by anyone! Maybe I am a dork for taking it over with that kind of debt, I don't
know. I know that many of you have stated that if I start my own site you would
be glad to join and that would be wonderful, but that is a ways away yet. I don't
know, the more I write this the more I wonder if some of you are right about me
giving it up and walking away. I will be talking to Brian tonight so maybe I will tell
him I've changed my mind . I do know that the debt is hurrendous and unless you
are rich there is no way out, I guess. I had been wondering why I never saw Brian
over the last 6 weeks or so and now I know. I've been screwed before too by alot
of programs so if I do tell him I've changed my mind what would you all think of
me then? I am honest, I've always been that way. If I ever wanted anything I
would never think to ask someone for it or to get it for me. If I could'nt get it for
myself by working for it then I did without. So I guess I have some pride as well.
So tell me what do you think? Should I tell him no I don't want it? If you think I
should do that then I will. Because only a dreamer would believe they could pull it
out of the debt it's in. And by the way, I had nothing to do with that either. And no
if I could find a way to pull it out of debt Brian would not reappear. So tell me what
you think I should do and I will do it.
Madonna
First off I need to point out again that Brian and I don't even know eachother
except through IM and my being a member to begin with at XE! We are not an item
at all. The reason I jumped at the chance, well honestly I did'nt want to leave all of
you, I've grown very fond of the members at XE. I am not saying that I want you
to wipe your earnings clean and start over, I was just trying to come up with ideas
because it's true I don't have the money to pull it out of the debt it's incurred! And
I know alot of you did not want it to become an ads only site, I don't blame you for
that. I do have some plans on making it a more sustainable site. I just know that
if there is any way whatsoever for me to take care of everyone, I will. I just don't
know how yet
I did'nt want to see someone get it that would be indifferent oreven down right cruel to my members, I don't want you guys and girls treated bad
by anyone! Maybe I am a dork for taking it over with that kind of debt, I don't
know. I know that many of you have stated that if I start my own site you would
be glad to join and that would be wonderful, but that is a ways away yet. I don't
know, the more I write this the more I wonder if some of you are right about me
giving it up and walking away. I will be talking to Brian tonight so maybe I will tell
him I've changed my mind . I do know that the debt is hurrendous and unless you
are rich there is no way out, I guess. I had been wondering why I never saw Brian
over the last 6 weeks or so and now I know. I've been screwed before too by alot
of programs so if I do tell him I've changed my mind what would you all think of
me then? I am honest, I've always been that way. If I ever wanted anything I
would never think to ask someone for it or to get it for me. If I could'nt get it for
myself by working for it then I did without. So I guess I have some pride as well.
So tell me what do you think? Should I tell him no I don't want it? If you think I
should do that then I will. Because only a dreamer would believe they could pull it
out of the debt it's in. And by the way, I had nothing to do with that either. And no
if I could find a way to pull it out of debt Brian would not reappear. So tell me what
you think I should do and I will do it.
Madonna
Step 1: Run up huge debt
Step 2: Dump site on somone with no money/no plans basically no clue
Step 3: Kiss members arses to keep them happy clickers
Step 4: Realize you can't possibly pay when all the payout requests come in
Step 5: Lather, Rinse and Repeat.
Step 2: Dump site on somone with no money/no plans basically no clue
Step 3: Kiss members arses to keep them happy clickers
Step 4: Realize you can't possibly pay when all the payout requests come in
Step 5: Lather, Rinse and Repeat.
QUOTE(electricangel57 @ Sep 3 2004, 11:22 AM)
Hi Everyone...
First off I need to point out again that Brian and I don't even know eachother
except through IM and my being a member to begin with at XE! We are not an item
at all. The reason I jumped at the chance, well honestly I did'nt want to leave all of
you, I've grown very fond of the members at XE. I am not saying that I want you
to wipe your earnings clean and start over, I was just trying to come up with ideas
because it's true I don't have the money to pull it out of the debt it's incurred! And
I know alot of you did not want it to become an ads only site, I don't blame you for
that. I do have some plans on making it a more sustainable site. I just know that
if there is any way whatsoever for me to take care of everyone, I will. I just don't
know how yet I did'nt want to see someone get it that would be indifferent or
even down right cruel to my members, I don't want you guys and girls treated bad
by anyone! Maybe I am a dork for taking it over with that kind of debt, I don't
know. I know that many of you have stated that if I start my own site you would
be glad to join and that would be wonderful, but that is a ways away yet. I don't
know, the more I write this the more I wonder if some of you are right about me
giving it up and walking away. I will be talking to Brian tonight so maybe I will tell
him I've changed my mind . I do know that the debt is hurrendous and unless you
are rich there is no way out, I guess. I had been wondering why I never saw Brian
over the last 6 weeks or so and now I know. I've been screwed before too by alot
of programs so if I do tell him I've changed my mind what would you all think of
me then? I am honest, I've always been that way. If I ever wanted anything I
would never think to ask someone for it or to get it for me. If I could'nt get it for
myself by working for it then I did without. So I guess I have some pride as well.
So tell me what do you think? Should I tell him no I don't want it? If you think I
should do that then I will. Because only a dreamer would believe they could pull it
out of the debt it's in. And by the way, I had nothing to do with that either. And no
if I could find a way to pull it out of debt Brian would not reappear. So tell me what
you think I should do and I will do it.
Madonna
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First off I need to point out again that Brian and I don't even know eachother
except through IM and my being a member to begin with at XE! We are not an item
at all. The reason I jumped at the chance, well honestly I did'nt want to leave all of
you, I've grown very fond of the members at XE. I am not saying that I want you
to wipe your earnings clean and start over, I was just trying to come up with ideas
because it's true I don't have the money to pull it out of the debt it's incurred! And
I know alot of you did not want it to become an ads only site, I don't blame you for
that. I do have some plans on making it a more sustainable site. I just know that
if there is any way whatsoever for me to take care of everyone, I will. I just don't
know how yet
I did'nt want to see someone get it that would be indifferent oreven down right cruel to my members, I don't want you guys and girls treated bad
by anyone! Maybe I am a dork for taking it over with that kind of debt, I don't
know. I know that many of you have stated that if I start my own site you would
be glad to join and that would be wonderful, but that is a ways away yet. I don't
know, the more I write this the more I wonder if some of you are right about me
giving it up and walking away. I will be talking to Brian tonight so maybe I will tell
him I've changed my mind . I do know that the debt is hurrendous and unless you
are rich there is no way out, I guess. I had been wondering why I never saw Brian
over the last 6 weeks or so and now I know. I've been screwed before too by alot
of programs so if I do tell him I've changed my mind what would you all think of
me then? I am honest, I've always been that way. If I ever wanted anything I
would never think to ask someone for it or to get it for me. If I could'nt get it for
myself by working for it then I did without. So I guess I have some pride as well.
So tell me what do you think? Should I tell him no I don't want it? If you think I
should do that then I will. Because only a dreamer would believe they could pull it
out of the debt it's in. And by the way, I had nothing to do with that either. And no
if I could find a way to pull it out of debt Brian would not reappear. So tell me what
you think I should do and I will do it.
Madonna
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Madonna, I want to thank you up front with being honest with us from the get-go. You have shown a respect for the members that is not going unappreciated. I was happy to do the support links you sent tonight, because unlike certain other programs, you have asked with courtesy and respect, rather than using demand and blame tactics. I regret every single support link I ever clicked for Brian, but I am more than willing to click for you. Your courteous attitude towards members is a breath of fresh air after what some of us have gone through at some other programs.
I have a big balance so to be honest with you I would really be crushed to see the site go, I am not ready, and unlike other people who have taken over other sites, I have faith in you. I wish you could take my high balance and fact that I requested payout a long time ago into account in allowing some kind of upgrade in the changed site or any new site you open. Then it would be less of a blow not to get my cash payout.
It's easy for a lot of people that don't have a lot of time and effort invested in a site to say "just close it!". When they tell you that, please bear their experience in the site (or lack of it) in mind.
You are off to a good start in being different from the others and I thank goodness you are there instead of someone else or no one at all.
Thank you for respecting us, Madonna. I for one respect you also. I thank you for considering our feelings and helping us out in any way you can.
As for Brian, I have no respect for him whatsoever and nothing he could say or do at this point would change that.
QUOTE(electricangel57 @ Sep 2 2004, 11:22 PM)
Hi Everyone...
First off I need to point out again that Brian and I don't even know eachother
except through IM and my being a member to begin with at XE! We are not an item
at all. The reason I jumped at the chance, well honestly I did'nt want to leave all of
you, I've grown very fond of the members at XE. I am not saying that I want you
to wipe your earnings clean and start over, I was just trying to come up with ideas
because it's true I don't have the money to pull it out of the debt it's incurred! And
I know alot of you did not want it to become an ads only site, I don't blame you for
that. I do have some plans on making it a more sustainable site. I just know that
if there is any way whatsoever for me to take care of everyone, I will. I just don't
know how yet I did'nt want to see someone get it that would be indifferent or
even down right cruel to my members, I don't want you guys and girls treated bad
by anyone! Maybe I am a dork for taking it over with that kind of debt, I don't
know. I know that many of you have stated that if I start my own site you would
be glad to join and that would be wonderful, but that is a ways away yet. I don't
know, the more I write this the more I wonder if some of you are right about me
giving it up and walking away. I will be talking to Brian tonight so maybe I will tell
him I've changed my mind . I do know that the debt is hurrendous and unless you
are rich there is no way out, I guess. I had been wondering why I never saw Brian
over the last 6 weeks or so and now I know. I've been screwed before too by alot
of programs so if I do tell him I've changed my mind what would you all think of
me then? I am honest, I've always been that way. If I ever wanted anything I
would never think to ask someone for it or to get it for me. If I could'nt get it for
myself by working for it then I did without. So I guess I have some pride as well.
So tell me what do you think? Should I tell him no I don't want it? If you think I
should do that then I will. Because only a dreamer would believe they could pull it
out of the debt it's in. And by the way, I had nothing to do with that either. And no
if I could find a way to pull it out of debt Brian would not reappear. So tell me what
you think I should do and I will do it.
Madonna
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First off I need to point out again that Brian and I don't even know eachother
except through IM and my being a member to begin with at XE! We are not an item
at all. The reason I jumped at the chance, well honestly I did'nt want to leave all of
you, I've grown very fond of the members at XE. I am not saying that I want you
to wipe your earnings clean and start over, I was just trying to come up with ideas
because it's true I don't have the money to pull it out of the debt it's incurred! And
I know alot of you did not want it to become an ads only site, I don't blame you for
that. I do have some plans on making it a more sustainable site. I just know that
if there is any way whatsoever for me to take care of everyone, I will. I just don't
know how yet
I did'nt want to see someone get it that would be indifferent oreven down right cruel to my members, I don't want you guys and girls treated bad
by anyone! Maybe I am a dork for taking it over with that kind of debt, I don't
know. I know that many of you have stated that if I start my own site you would
be glad to join and that would be wonderful, but that is a ways away yet. I don't
know, the more I write this the more I wonder if some of you are right about me
giving it up and walking away. I will be talking to Brian tonight so maybe I will tell
him I've changed my mind . I do know that the debt is hurrendous and unless you
are rich there is no way out, I guess. I had been wondering why I never saw Brian
over the last 6 weeks or so and now I know. I've been screwed before too by alot
of programs so if I do tell him I've changed my mind what would you all think of
me then? I am honest, I've always been that way. If I ever wanted anything I
would never think to ask someone for it or to get it for me. If I could'nt get it for
myself by working for it then I did without. So I guess I have some pride as well.
So tell me what do you think? Should I tell him no I don't want it? If you think I
should do that then I will. Because only a dreamer would believe they could pull it
out of the debt it's in. And by the way, I had nothing to do with that either. And no
if I could find a way to pull it out of debt Brian would not reappear. So tell me what
you think I should do and I will do it.
Madonna
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Madonna:
Honestly, the money isn't going to fall from the sky. If you have access to the site free and clear I would advise you to dump it. Just get rid of it.
If you need any proof of how hard it is to make a go of a site the has an overwhelming debt take a look at the Annie's thread.....You don't want to be in that position 6-12 months down the road.
Start your own if you really want or help manage one.
That is hard enough...no need to have to claw your way out of a hole to be a martyr...It's not your problem.
Good Luck whatever you decide.
QUOTE(Heather17 @ Sep 2 2004, 10:37 PM)
I have a big balance so to be honest with you I would really be crushed to see the site go, I am not ready, and unlike other people who have taken over other sites, I have faith in you. I wish you could take my high balance and fact that I requested payout a long time ago into account in allowing some kind of upgrade in the changed site or any new site you open. Then it would be less of a blow not to get my cash payout.
It's easy for a lot of people that don't have a lot of time and effort invested in a site to say "just close it!". When they tell you that, please bear their experience in the site (or lack of it) in mind.
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Heather...I hate to say this...but how do you think a person who has applied for disability is going to pay you 80 bucks??? I am sorry but there must be a ton of other people out there also ready to cash out...
Brian is pulling a fast one...legally he is giving up the debt to Madonna...and Madonna this is why you should quit the site asap...
"Support links" might take 1 to 3 months to pay off....and might not pay....yes Madonna could build some downlines in other sites, but who says they would pay???
Yes, I took over 2 sites...but..they both had super low debt....one had only sent about 11 or 12 mails....and frankly I am not rich but I am certainly not hurting for money or security....and I have years of website experience and "contacts"....
Madonna....I know you dont want to pay these people out of your own pocket..and I would not want to either....I think you would be very smart to give it up, let brian have it back, he is trying to stick u with the debt...
look at annies site....a fiasco trying to pull a site out of debt..
look at the mamacita sites....people did not even want to take them on because of debt...
it is hard enough with a site that has a clean slate....to try to pull a site out of debt is nuts, and to try to do it on a low budget is frankly just impossible....
I am sure some of the members want you to try and want you to pay them...but do you have that money to pay them this week?? If not, give it back to Brian and let him hold the bag <grin>
Hang in there...this is not easy I am sure...take care
This is a drama/charade being played by Brian and Madonna, I would think. I was stupid enough to become Xtreme member by paying $30. I could not get any money back. I would not adivise anyone to become gold member of any site. Being a gold member, I have lost out to sites like Paidpromotions, chuckpays.com, now this site Xtremeemails.com. Emailspayme is now obsconding, of which also I am a gold member. Does anyone know anything about Emailspayame? Kidambi50
I dont believe its a charade by Madonna. I believe Madonna to be a good hearted person who got taken advantage of by Brian just like all the rest of the Xtreme members.
Not only deleted our earnings but also deteled our accounts!!!
Well done Madona!!
WELL DONE!!!!!!
ANOTHER SCAM SITE ALONG WITH MAMACITA!!
STAY AWAY FROM THESE SCAMMERS!!
WE WASTE OUR TIME WITH THIS BULL ######.
Well done Madona!!
WELL DONE!!!!!!
ANOTHER SCAM SITE ALONG WITH MAMACITA!!
STAY AWAY FROM THESE SCAMMERS!!
WE WASTE OUR TIME WITH THIS BULL ######.
The PM I got from her a bit after she posted here said she was in the process of giving the site backj to Brian.
Brian prolly deleted everything out of anger...or in an attempt to hide the fact that people ever had an account.
Dont blame Madonna... I reallyt feel she was the innocent in this.
Brian prolly deleted everything out of anger...or in an attempt to hide the fact that people ever had an account.
Dont blame Madonna... I reallyt feel she was the innocent in this.
erm... I should check these things before I post...
My account is still there. Are you sure you werent deleted for another reason?
My account is still there. Are you sure you werent deleted for another reason?
QUOTE(akonsta @ Sep 3 2004, 03:13 AM)
Not only deleted our earnings but also deteled our accounts!!!
Well done Madona!!
WELL DONE!!!!!!
ANOTHER SCAM SITE ALONG WITH MAMACITA!!
STAY AWAY FROM THESE SCAMMERS!!
WE WASTE OUR TIME WITH THIS BULL ######.
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Well done Madona!!
WELL DONE!!!!!!
ANOTHER SCAM SITE ALONG WITH MAMACITA!!
STAY AWAY FROM THESE SCAMMERS!!
WE WASTE OUR TIME WITH THIS BULL ######.
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Huh? My account is still there.
QUOTE(yetanotherphoenix @ Sep 2 2004, 05:49 PM)
Congrats, nikanji. Off I go to get balloons, hats, noisemakers, etc. Time to partay!
Sorry you lost earnings with it though.
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Sorry you lost earnings with it though.
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A party? For me? How nice.
To prove I've really turned a corner, I'm going to finally delete my account at Black-Emails. That jerk is never going to pay OR send the ad I redeemed for.
yes, my account is gone along with my earnings of course.
Thats ok, I would have done it with the one way or the other.
If this a-s-s-hole Brian deleted everything from anger or anything else, is a minus importance to me.
I have spent hours and hours in clicking and what's my reward for all these????
Let me tell you:
N-O-T-H-I-N-G-!!!
YES, absolutely nothing.
Thats ok, I would have done it with the one way or the other.
If this a-s-s-hole Brian deleted everything from anger or anything else, is a minus importance to me.
I have spent hours and hours in clicking and what's my reward for all these????
Let me tell you:
N-O-T-H-I-N-G-!!!
YES, absolutely nothing.
QUOTE(akonsta @ Sep 3 2004, 03:13 AM)
Not only deleted our earnings but also deteled our accounts!!!
Well done Madona!!
WELL DONE!!!!!!
ANOTHER SCAM SITE ALONG WITH MAMACITA!!
STAY AWAY FROM THESE SCAMMERS!!
WE WASTE OUR TIME WITH THIS BULL ######.
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Well done Madona!!
WELL DONE!!!!!!
ANOTHER SCAM SITE ALONG WITH MAMACITA!!
STAY AWAY FROM THESE SCAMMERS!!
WE WASTE OUR TIME WITH THIS BULL ######.
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QUOTE(akonsta @ Sep 3 2004, 07:52 AM)
yes, my account is gone along with my earnings of course.
Thats ok, I would have done it with the one way or the other.
If this a-s-s-hole Brian deleted everything from anger or anything else, is a minus importance to me.
I have spent hours and hours in clicking and what's my reward for all these????
Let me tell you:
N-O-T-H-I-N-G-!!!
YES, absolutely nothing.
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Thats ok, I would have done it with the one way or the other.
If this a-s-s-hole Brian deleted everything from anger or anything else, is a minus importance to me.
I have spent hours and hours in clicking and what's my reward for all these????
Let me tell you:
N-O-T-H-I-N-G-!!!
YES, absolutely nothing.
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I still have my account, but got this email from Madonna:
QUOTE
I've got something to say and I hope you all don't think badly of me. I just came from the Get Paid forum. And the more I read the posts about XE and the site debt the more
I realized there is no possible way out of this : ( You all know that I have no income, I have
not hid that from you, so without anything at all coming in to kind of assist me in taking care of the site debt there's no way I can do it. I'm sorry, I feel awful and honestly right
now I'm holding back the tears because I feel I've let you all down by giving up so soon. But without any money it would only get worse and I don't want that either. I will have my own site someday but not until I have a regular income to help out with the site and also
payouts. I'm not sure at this point what will happen to XE but I guess we will all be sitting
on the same side of the fence now waiting and watching. I hope all of you still love me as much as I love you because I really do. You have all been so good to me and you've made my stay here a complete delight! I will talk to you all soon! If you wish to write me at all my email address that you can send your letters to is ********** that one is better because i don't get as much mail there. Take care and God bless all of you and please don't change the way you are because you are all winners to me : )
Love and Light, Madonna
I realized there is no possible way out of this : ( You all know that I have no income, I have
not hid that from you, so without anything at all coming in to kind of assist me in taking care of the site debt there's no way I can do it. I'm sorry, I feel awful and honestly right
now I'm holding back the tears because I feel I've let you all down by giving up so soon. But without any money it would only get worse and I don't want that either. I will have my own site someday but not until I have a regular income to help out with the site and also
payouts. I'm not sure at this point what will happen to XE but I guess we will all be sitting
on the same side of the fence now waiting and watching. I hope all of you still love me as much as I love you because I really do. You have all been so good to me and you've made my stay here a complete delight! I will talk to you all soon! If you wish to write me at all my email address that you can send your letters to is ********** that one is better because i don't get as much mail there. Take care and God bless all of you and please don't change the way you are because you are all winners to me : )
Love and Light, Madonna
I replaced her email with ********* didn't want to post and wasn't sure if I could.
QUOTE(freebiesite @ Sep 3 2004, 12:12 PM)
Heather...I hate to say this...but how do you think a person who has applied for disability is going to pay you 80 bucks??? I am sorry but there must be a ton of other people out there also ready to cash out...
Brian is pulling a fast one...legally he is giving up the debt to Madonna...and Madonna this is why you should quit the site asap...
"Support links" might take 1 to 3 months to pay off....and might not pay....yes Madonna could build some downlines in other sites, but who says they would pay???
Yes, I took over 2 sites...but..they both had super low debt....one had only sent about 11 or 12 mails....and frankly I am not rich but I am certainly not hurting for money or security....and I have years of website experience and "contacts"....
Madonna....I know you dont want to pay these people out of your own pocket..and I would not want to either....I think you would be very smart to give it up, let brian have it back, he is trying to stick u with the debt...
look at annies site....a fiasco trying to pull a site out of debt..
look at the mamacita sites....people did not even want to take them on because of debt...
it is hard enough with a site that has a clean slate....to try to pull a site out of debt is nuts, and to try to do it on a low budget is frankly just impossible....
I am sure some of the members want you to try and want you to pay them...but do you have that money to pay them this week?? If not, give it back to Brian and let him hold the bag <grin>
Hang in there...this is not easy I am sure...take care
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Brian is pulling a fast one...legally he is giving up the debt to Madonna...and Madonna this is why you should quit the site asap...
"Support links" might take 1 to 3 months to pay off....and might not pay....yes Madonna could build some downlines in other sites, but who says they would pay???
Yes, I took over 2 sites...but..they both had super low debt....one had only sent about 11 or 12 mails....and frankly I am not rich but I am certainly not hurting for money or security....and I have years of website experience and "contacts"....
Madonna....I know you dont want to pay these people out of your own pocket..and I would not want to either....I think you would be very smart to give it up, let brian have it back, he is trying to stick u with the debt...
look at annies site....a fiasco trying to pull a site out of debt..
look at the mamacita sites....people did not even want to take them on because of debt...
it is hard enough with a site that has a clean slate....to try to pull a site out of debt is nuts, and to try to do it on a low budget is frankly just impossible....
I am sure some of the members want you to try and want you to pay them...but do you have that money to pay them this week?? If not, give it back to Brian and let him hold the bag <grin>
Hang in there...this is not easy I am sure...take care
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No offense, but how much money does Brian owe you? I am a widowed mother of 2 sets of twins, so, sorry, but I don't like being told "just forget about your $82", and I shouldn't have to be ripped off by a CRIMINAL like Brian when our family struggles to get by. I KNOW Madonna doesn't have the money, that's why I said I would be willing to stick with the program even if she dropped balances to zero IF she gave people with large sums in their account an upgrade or something to make up for it, instead of just nothing for our months and months of time and effort. I did not expect Madonna to pay me $82. I work outside the home, have 4 kids to care for, and have my own medical issues, MESSAGE TO SCAMMERS: I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME OR STAMINA TO KEEP BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, NOR DO I DESERVE IT! You are also hurting my FAMILY when you do this! Go take advantage of someone who deserves it instead of THOUSANDS of people who never did anything bad to you!!!!!
ANYONE out there who lives in Massachusetts where Brian is, or Wisconsin with Annie, or wherever Angie, or Kath (yeah, remember her?!) or Jamie from Jamie's Magic Mail lives, PLEASE PLEASE consider going to your local courthouse and filing a complaint! YOU WILL WIN THE CASE because this is theft of services!!!! No one can agree to pay you for your time to do something and then not pay, this is not a game, it REALLY IS ILLEGAL! Aren't you sick and tired of the bad webmasters who think this is a game and a hobby, so they should not be held accountable for their actions? So to any of you out there willing to do that, to send a message, I would be more than happy to send you a sworn affadavit that I was also victim to their con, and I'll bet you could probably get about another 100 affadavits from others in the same boat! And WHEN (not "if") you win, not only will you get the money you are owed, you will be helping us all by sending the message that we aren't going to take it anymore!
Madonna I had faith in you but now I am extremely disappointed. Setting everyone back to zero would have been better than this. Brian, the words "infuriated beyond belief" do not even BEGIN to describe my opinion of you right now. There are no words in the English language to express my anger towards you.
By the way, whoever thinks Brian is going to just come back now and everything will be hunky dory..... REALITY CHECK!
To all the GOOD webmasters out there, I'm sorry about my demeanor. Thanks to Brian, Angie, and Annie I am put in a position where I have to sound like a nasty person when I'm really not, because enough is enough. I hope you understand. I would NEVER talk bad about a webmaster like this unless they up and ran off with a large sum of my money. So anyone who would not do that don't worry. I hate having to sound so mean, but what these people did was so unconsciounable that it is called for and they deserve it.
So, anybody ready to sue? It costs about $35 to file in most jurisdictions, and I'll bet you could easily get 35 other disgruntled members of these programs to donate and take care of that for you. Anyone interested yet?
QUOTE(Heather17 @ Sep 3 2004, 09:21 AM)
No offense, but how much money does Brian owe you? I am a widowed mother of 2 sets of twins, so, sorry, but I don't like being told "just forget about your $82", and I shouldn't have to be ripped off by a CRIMINAL like Brian when our family struggles to get by. I KNOW Madonna doesn't have the money, that's why I said I would be willing to stick with the program even if she dropped balances to zero IF she gave people with large sums in their account an upgrade or something to make up for it, instead of just nothing for our months and months of time and effort. I did not expect Madonna to pay me $82. I work outside the home, have 4 kids to care for, and have my own medical issues, MESSAGE TO SCAMMERS: I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME OR STAMINA TO KEEP BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, NOR DO I DESERVE IT! You are also hurting my FAMILY when you do this! Go take advantage of someone who deserves it instead of THOUSANDS of people who never did anything bad to you!!!!!
ANYONE out there who lives in Massachusetts where Brian is, or Wisconsin with Annie, or wherever Angie, or Kath (yeah, remember her?!) or Jamie from Jamie's Magic Mail lives, PLEASE PLEASE consider going to your local courthouse and filing a complaint! YOU WILL WIN THE CASE because this is theft of services!!!! No one can agree to pay you for your time to do something and then not pay, this is not a game, it REALLY IS ILLEGAL! Aren't you sick and tired of the bad webmasters who think this is a game and a hobby, so they should not be held accountable for their actions? So to any of you out there willing to do that, to send a message, I would be more than happy to send you a sworn affadavit that I was also victim to their con, and I'll bet you could probably get about another 100 affadavits from others in the same boat! And WHEN (not "if") you win, not only will you get the money you are owed, you will be helping us all by sending the message that we aren't going to take it anymore!
Madonna I had faith in you but now I am extremely disappointed. Setting everyone back to zero would have been better than this. Brian, the words "infuriated beyond belief" do not even BEGIN to describe my opinion of you right now. There are no words in the English language to express my anger towards you.
By the way, whoever thinks Brian is going to just come back now and everything will be hunky dory..... REALITY CHECK!
To all the GOOD webmasters out there, I'm sorry about my demeanor. Thanks to Brian, Angie, and Annie I am put in a position where I have to sound like a nasty person when I'm really not, because enough is enough. I hope you understand. I would NEVER talk bad about a webmaster like this unless they up and ran off with a large sum of my money. So anyone who would not do that don't worry. I hate having to sound so mean, but what these people did was so unconsciounable that it is called for and they deserve it.
So, anybody ready to sue? It costs about $35 to file in most jurisdictions, and I'll bet you could easily get 35 other disgruntled members of these programs to donate and take care of that for you. Anyone interested yet?[right][snapback]2588165[/snapback][/right]
ANYONE out there who lives in Massachusetts where Brian is, or Wisconsin with Annie, or wherever Angie, or Kath (yeah, remember her?!) or Jamie from Jamie's Magic Mail lives, PLEASE PLEASE consider going to your local courthouse and filing a complaint! YOU WILL WIN THE CASE because this is theft of services!!!! No one can agree to pay you for your time to do something and then not pay, this is not a game, it REALLY IS ILLEGAL! Aren't you sick and tired of the bad webmasters who think this is a game and a hobby, so they should not be held accountable for their actions? So to any of you out there willing to do that, to send a message, I would be more than happy to send you a sworn affadavit that I was also victim to their con, and I'll bet you could probably get about another 100 affadavits from others in the same boat! And WHEN (not "if") you win, not only will you get the money you are owed, you will be helping us all by sending the message that we aren't going to take it anymore!
Madonna I had faith in you but now I am extremely disappointed. Setting everyone back to zero would have been better than this. Brian, the words "infuriated beyond belief" do not even BEGIN to describe my opinion of you right now. There are no words in the English language to express my anger towards you.
By the way, whoever thinks Brian is going to just come back now and everything will be hunky dory..... REALITY CHECK!
To all the GOOD webmasters out there, I'm sorry about my demeanor. Thanks to Brian, Angie, and Annie I am put in a position where I have to sound like a nasty person when I'm really not, because enough is enough. I hope you understand. I would NEVER talk bad about a webmaster like this unless they up and ran off with a large sum of my money. So anyone who would not do that don't worry. I hate having to sound so mean, but what these people did was so unconsciounable that it is called for and they deserve it.
So, anybody ready to sue? It costs about $35 to file in most jurisdictions, and I'll bet you could easily get 35 other disgruntled members of these programs to donate and take care of that for you. Anyone interested yet?[right][snapback]2588165[/snapback][/right]
who is it that deserves to be taken advantage of?
QUOTE(Heather17 @ Sep 3 2004, 08:21 AM)
No offense, but how much money does Brian owe you? I am a widowed mother of 2 sets of twins, so, sorry, but I don't like being told "just forget about your $82", and I shouldn't have to be ripped off by a CRIMINAL like Brian when our family struggles to get by. I KNOW Madonna doesn't have the money, that's why I said I would be willing to stick with the program even if she dropped balances to zero IF she gave people with large sums in their account an upgrade or something to make up for it, instead of just nothing for our months and months of time and effort. I did not expect Madonna to pay me $82. I work outside the home, have 4 kids to care for, and have my own medical issues, MESSAGE TO SCAMMERS: I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME OR STAMINA TO KEEP BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, NOR DO I DESERVE IT! You are also hurting my FAMILY when you do this! Go take advantage of someone who deserves it instead of THOUSANDS of people who never did anything bad to you!!!!!
Madonna I had faith in you but now I am extremely disappointed. Setting everyone back to zero would have been better than this. Brian, the words "infuriated beyond belief" do not even BEGIN to describe my opinion of you right now. There are no words in the English language to express my anger towards you.
By the way, whoever thinks Brian is going to just come back now and everything will be hunky dory..... REALITY CHECK!
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Madonna I had faith in you but now I am extremely disappointed. Setting everyone back to zero would have been better than this. Brian, the words "infuriated beyond belief" do not even BEGIN to describe my opinion of you right now. There are no words in the English language to express my anger towards you.
By the way, whoever thinks Brian is going to just come back now and everything will be hunky dory..... REALITY CHECK!
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Heather I am really sorry this is happening to you...but honestly I dont think Madonna can pull this off...if she "upgraded" all the people owed money and gave them ads to run, that would create more site debt....
site debt that she could not pay off in the end.....it looks to me like Brian is the one to blame....also it is hard, but a lot of times these sites that promise the moon are gonna flop...."sustainable" and "unsustainable" are bandied about a lot here...
but it really does matter...
we are seeing a lot of programs failing...and maybe that is for the "greater good"....to continue to prop up failed programs, to rack up more debt leads to more failure....look at annies....
I think it is sad that this happened to you, but I dont think Madonna can bail this one out...I dont think anyone can really, unless they are willing to lose a lot of their own money...and most businesspeople are not that stupid...sooo....
Just a thought...have u tried some of the "smaller payout" programs...??? at least with them u see if you get paid quick or not....they do add up...and you make something..
Have u considered surveys or other things?? If you live in the usa this can be good...feel free to PM me if you want some other ideas...hth
I really hate that members have lost money with this one. I have lost money too, hate to admit it, but I am learning lots of good lessons. I lost with Mamacita but I knew the risks of staying after I finally got the point about sustainable ad pricing. That did take me a while.
I just don't see the point in making appeals to these crooks about fair play. I understand the frustration and just wanting to vent. But do any of us really think that a person like Brian is doing anything other than laughing all the way to the bank, so to speak. They took us, they kept whatever profit there was for themselves, they disappeared, may reappear to do it all over again. Why? Because they don't care. We are just words on a screen, not people.
Why not make as much money as you can from suckers that will never do anything more than post to a forum. We all know that whenever anyone mentions reporting this mess to any agencies there is a burrage of posts about how nothing will ever do any good so why bother. It is becoming a trend it would seem, and one that will not change unless we, the members, choose to at least make our voices heard where it could possibly one day make a difference.
I just hope that the members of all these runners of late speak out....and not just to forums.
I just don't see the point in making appeals to these crooks about fair play. I understand the frustration and just wanting to vent. But do any of us really think that a person like Brian is doing anything other than laughing all the way to the bank, so to speak. They took us, they kept whatever profit there was for themselves, they disappeared, may reappear to do it all over again. Why? Because they don't care. We are just words on a screen, not people.
Why not make as much money as you can from suckers that will never do anything more than post to a forum. We all know that whenever anyone mentions reporting this mess to any agencies there is a burrage of posts about how nothing will ever do any good so why bother. It is becoming a trend it would seem, and one that will not change unless we, the members, choose to at least make our voices heard where it could possibly one day make a difference.
I just hope that the members of all these runners of late speak out....and not just to forums.
From what I've seen, a lot of the posters to this thread were in XE strictly for the money. I may be a newbie, but I also learned early on that being in this business solely for a cash payout is the wrong reason. Plus, a lot of you are treating PTR sites like they're employment agencies - join, do some work (in this case, clicking), and get paid. I'm afraid that things don't work that way, and a lot of people have learned that the hard way.
Some of you have mentioned filing a lawsuit - hopefully all of you can make it to Massachusetts and have the money to support a Federal civil suit. That is, of course, unless the venue of the suit doesn't get changed to California, which is where the site is hosted. Why am I saying this? Look up a case summary for CompuServe v. Patterson, decided in 1996 in the United States Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit.
The site ran into problems, plain and simple. It happens when redemptions outweigh revenue. That is why Brian sent out the e-mail asking you to purchase ads. It's not so he can run away and take your money to the bank, it's so he as the revenue to pay out. If you read the e-mail Madonna sent out thoroughly, you'd see that she mentioned the support box is full of redemptions and e-mails.
Redemptions only redistribute money within the program while cash outs take money away. If revenue does not come in to make up for it, then the current revenue needs to go to paying to keep the site going - meaning the hosting company and the bandwidth charges.
But one other thing that I've also noticed is that most of you are complaining without coming up with any real ideas as to how to help Madonna out of this mess. Yes, a lot of you have high balances on your accounts and want the cash - whereas I had only a few dollars and have no problem giving it up. But instead of offering ideas that will only benefit yourself - such as upgraded memberships and the like - why not offer ideas that will benefit everyone. Now do I have any ideas? Yes, I do, and I am in the process of working up a document to give to Madonna outlining those ideas as to how to help keep the site sustainable.
Pay to Read sites are a cooperative, requiring the support of all members for the benefit of all members. If only a few support the site, no one benefits. That has been my hard lesson as a newbie.
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Something is only a scam to those who have allowed themselves to get duped.
Some of you have mentioned filing a lawsuit - hopefully all of you can make it to Massachusetts and have the money to support a Federal civil suit. That is, of course, unless the venue of the suit doesn't get changed to California, which is where the site is hosted. Why am I saying this? Look up a case summary for CompuServe v. Patterson, decided in 1996 in the United States Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit.
The site ran into problems, plain and simple. It happens when redemptions outweigh revenue. That is why Brian sent out the e-mail asking you to purchase ads. It's not so he can run away and take your money to the bank, it's so he as the revenue to pay out. If you read the e-mail Madonna sent out thoroughly, you'd see that she mentioned the support box is full of redemptions and e-mails.
Redemptions only redistribute money within the program while cash outs take money away. If revenue does not come in to make up for it, then the current revenue needs to go to paying to keep the site going - meaning the hosting company and the bandwidth charges.
But one other thing that I've also noticed is that most of you are complaining without coming up with any real ideas as to how to help Madonna out of this mess. Yes, a lot of you have high balances on your accounts and want the cash - whereas I had only a few dollars and have no problem giving it up. But instead of offering ideas that will only benefit yourself - such as upgraded memberships and the like - why not offer ideas that will benefit everyone. Now do I have any ideas? Yes, I do, and I am in the process of working up a document to give to Madonna outlining those ideas as to how to help keep the site sustainable.
Pay to Read sites are a cooperative, requiring the support of all members for the benefit of all members. If only a few support the site, no one benefits. That has been my hard lesson as a newbie.
Edited to add:
Something is only a scam to those who have allowed themselves to get duped.
Umm...why should they HAVE to buy ads...
why should they HAVE to figure out how madonna is going to "turn this around"
when it is in a mess and she doesn't seem to have much biz experience or money to put into the program>>???
I think most sites tell people to "get paid to read emails"...they are not a "fun club" or a mutual admiration society or a charity are they???
I think many people are too quick to "blame the members"...that is getting stale..
why should they HAVE to figure out how madonna is going to "turn this around"
when it is in a mess and she doesn't seem to have much biz experience or money to put into the program>>???
I think most sites tell people to "get paid to read emails"...they are not a "fun club" or a mutual admiration society or a charity are they???
I think many people are too quick to "blame the members"...that is getting stale..
How else do you think that these programs generate revenue? Grow it on trees? Ads need to be purchased in order to sustain the site, plain and simple. Plus she's asking for recommandations on what to do short of shutting it down or making it ads only. She wants to see what the members want to do.
QUOTE(clarkecounty @ Sep 3 2004, 04:30 PM)
How else do you think that these programs generate revenue? Grow it on trees? Ads need to be purchased in order to sustain the site, plain and simple. Plus she's asking for recommandations on what to do short of shutting it down or making it ads only. She wants to see what the members want to do.
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ummm....yeah....well I dont bug members to buy ads from me...
but maybe YOU want to?? are YOU buying ads at every program??
hey, most of the members are in bunches of programs...think they should buy at all of em?? and why buy ads at this one...it already has a bad rep for what has gone down...and the whois is not right..and it looks pretty silly pushing "payday profits" for advertisers etc when that program already went down the tubes
Take a look at annies-biz...and see how a well established PO with some experience and business sense was not able to pull a program out of debt...sigh sigh sigh
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clarkecounty Today, 03:22 PM Post #41
From what I've seen, a lot of the posters to this thread were in XE strictly for the money
From what I've seen, a lot of the posters to this thread were in XE strictly for the money
Why else would they be in it?
QUOTE(freebiesite @ Sep 4 2004, 07:14 AM)
ummm....yeah....well I dont bug members to buy ads from me...
but maybe YOU want to?? are YOU buying ads at every program??
hey, most of the members are in bunches of programs...think they should buy at all of em?? and why buy ads at this one...it already has a bad rep for what has gone down...and the whois is not right..and it looks pretty silly pushing "payday profits" for advertisers etc when that program already went down the tubes
Take a look at annies-biz...and see how a well established PO with some experience and business sense was not able to pull a program out of debt...sigh sigh sigh
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but maybe YOU want to?? are YOU buying ads at every program??
hey, most of the members are in bunches of programs...think they should buy at all of em?? and why buy ads at this one...it already has a bad rep for what has gone down...and the whois is not right..and it looks pretty silly pushing "payday profits" for advertisers etc when that program already went down the tubes
Take a look at annies-biz...and see how a well established PO with some experience and business sense was not able to pull a program out of debt...sigh sigh sigh
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Brian at one point asked people to buy ads, but Madonna has not asked anyone to buy ads.
As for Annie's, apparently she did NOT have business sense, and she told everyone they would be paid, obligating herself. Madonna is not doing that and not giving anyone false, empty promises or shoving support links down people's throats like Annie's. She is looking for creative solutions, and believe it or not, in her forum, some great solutions are being suggested that would not cost the site money or keep the debt in place.
from a member of xtreme emails - im gonna call i too am sick of cheating webmasters - i have been had - enough is enough:
I can tell you that I am fed up with people like brian. How dare his girl friend say that "he didn't make a dime on this site". What!! Did all of those search ads pay him in virtual dollars?? Did he get play money from all of the thousands of searchs?? I strongly recommend that everyone do what I did. Call the IRS Criminal investagation division. I have to call back on 9/7 as "everyone has left for the long weekend". I have been assured by the person that I talked to that what brian did (and countless numbers like him) is a criminal act as far as the IRS is concerned, and they will take a look at his tax statements as his income from advertisers IS taxable as income. Here is their number: 1-800-829-0433. So, on tues. 9/7 give them a call and file a criminal complaint.
I can tell you that I am fed up with people like brian. How dare his girl friend say that "he didn't make a dime on this site". What!! Did all of those search ads pay him in virtual dollars?? Did he get play money from all of the thousands of searchs?? I strongly recommend that everyone do what I did. Call the IRS Criminal investagation division. I have to call back on 9/7 as "everyone has left for the long weekend". I have been assured by the person that I talked to that what brian did (and countless numbers like him) is a criminal act as far as the IRS is concerned, and they will take a look at his tax statements as his income from advertisers IS taxable as income. Here is their number: 1-800-829-0433. So, on tues. 9/7 give them a call and file a criminal complaint.
I don't know if this would apply to internet businesses but the IRS will reward whistleblowers, so turn in your local cheating WM and maybe recoup some of your losses
http://www.tax-fraud.net/faq.html
http://www.tax-fraud.net/faq.html
QUOTE(Heather17 @ Sep 3 2004, 06:44 PM)
Brian at one point asked people to buy ads, but Madonna has not asked anyone to buy ads.
As for Annie's, apparently she did NOT have business sense, and she told everyone they would be paid, obligating herself. Madonna is not doing that and not giving anyone false, empty promises or shoving support links down people's throats like Annie's. She is looking for creative solutions, and believe it or not, in her forum, some great solutions are being suggested that would not cost the site money or keep the debt in place.
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As for Annie's, apparently she did NOT have business sense, and she told everyone they would be paid, obligating herself. Madonna is not doing that and not giving anyone false, empty promises or shoving support links down people's throats like Annie's. She is looking for creative solutions, and believe it or not, in her forum, some great solutions are being suggested that would not cost the site money or keep the debt in place.
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LOL>>> and are you sure about this??? do you know that the site is still in brians name?? Maybe they are in it together...
maybe some of the helpful people at the forum are brian just suckering more people into this...
as for annies...umm...I think dana has more business sense than this gal...sorry...apparently madonna doesnt know enough to change the whois or to know that she cant change the name of the site....
the fact is that rolling back the earnings to zero sucks....and this junk should be stopped....
QUOTE(rossv @ Sep 3 2004, 07:05 PM)
I strongly recommend that everyone do what I did. Call the IRS Criminal investagation division. I have to call back on 9/7 as "everyone has left for the long weekend". I have been assured by the person that I talked to that what brian did (and countless numbers like him) is a criminal act as far as the IRS is concerned, and they will take a look at his tax statements as his income from advertisers IS taxable as income. Here is their number: 1-800-829-0433. So, on tues. 9/7 give them a call and file a criminal complaint.
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My how interesting this is. All I ever see, should anyone dare to mention reporting a PO to the IRS, is that the IRS will do nothing except audit the COMPLAINANT.
I always knew that was a load-of-bunk smoke-screen but it is easy for some to get scared by it. Myself, I ain't scairt! One print-out from Paypal is all I have to get to show the IRS how rich I am getting off of PTR. Make a CPA smile, file taxes on the $3 you actually got paid in earnings!
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