okay lol

looks like myecom is starting to go down once again.

I have a specific folder for myecom sites, so once it goes down, all the mail goes in there

Boy that folder is always seems to be getting bigger every day, never seems to go away

oh sorry. i'm in a jolly mood today.

i'll post there thanks!

Looks like everything is down again -
sigh.....

Hi,

i'm the webmaster of mokercash. Yes, myecom is down again.
Yesterday it was a disaster, now again.

I was just launching the tasiaspaidlinks and 1heluva feature

Oh how i hate it

best regards

len van rekom

Darn! oh, well......guess I won't check my mail now--already got a bunch of
mokercash mail to click......

this is happening more and more with myecom hosted sites, it seems

I just dont get why these webmasters stay with myecom....you cant run a business online if you site is down at LEAST 50% of the time. Thats a terrible percentage.

Its totally frustrating to the members as I am sure it is to the webmasters....BUT webmasters when are you just gonna say enough is enough?? Back up your site ...get a new host...change name servers and be done with it!

Yes your site may be down for 1-2 days but DANG isnt that better then being down day after day??

Does John give you all a reward or incentive to stay with him???

I just dont get it

yep,

John Orijas is a nice guy, yesterday he was asleep he said:)

I wanted to send out my last mail today, anouncing i have openen the mokercash support folder and launch the investmentclub on heluva by redeeming members earnings on tasias, but i guess it has to wait untill tomorrow

len

hi dge,

i,m considering a new host, but i'm new here since october, so i was proud that i achieved to launch mokercash.

next week i'm discussing changing servers with a dutch host, hoping all will be better.

len

I have nothing against John personally MokerCash do you realise how many of your emails are sitting right now in my inbox to be read?? You send many a day and I cant read even one!

Evevery single email in my inbox is from a myecom site, its frustrating and annoying.

Whether John is a nice guy or not (I am quite sure he is) is really not the point. The point is almost every friggin day this happens

You webmasters run a business...your members arent happy this goes on too much. Listen to them because I know myself I will quit every myecom site if this situation is fixed within a week. Frankly I am sick of reading in every email from a myecom webmaster that John is working on it..I know is it frustrating but it should be fixed soon...well exactly what is Johns definition of soon?

does anyone have his phone number?

keep calling until he wakes up

The only ones that uses John's scripts that are not down is on Jay's server. You may need to check which ones is on his server.

Pennies is down completly.

goes to admiinistration as if they dont exist.

Thats not True




I have 2 myecom sites and I have them on Cynthias Servers and Have no problems like that

I did not know there were others on different servers. I always thought they were on either Jay's or John's.

I just logged ito PBE. But this is really frustrating. It has to be my "lucky" day to be able to read all the e-mails that come through this server, and I'm not very lucky!!

they are not all down. only some are down now. including pennies and lucky.

all of jays are up and rolling

jazmyni thats right I have a problem with MYECOM hosting not their scripts. The scripts are better then CAC NO doubt. Just dont see why more myecom sites dont host on cynthias server

If I had a site that was down 50% of the time I would have have been POed the first time and left the second

I have never had a problem with any of my sites being down on cynthias server except once search4search was down because of a dns change.

I am having the biggest trouble with Moker Cash, Paid Realm, Lucky Earners (same owner as paid cash) and mec mec-co-op Hope they are back up so I can read these emails

The problem is that John has a heart of gold.

These webmasters are paying $5, $15, $20 a month to host a paid2read site, that is a riduculous sum.

These webmasters know that if they host anywhere else, they'd be shut down for exceeding bandwidth.


I'm still hosted at myecom, but now on a dedicated server and my site hasn't had any downtime in 4 days...

I'm now paying $150 a month (i was paying $50) because my site is the highest traffic site he hosts.


These webmasters are sharing servers .

He's hosting over 200 sites now on 8 servers.......

There is a limit to how much a server can handle, therefore the bad gateways, etc etc...

If these webmasters really care about the quality of their site, they'll go to a dedicated server, or they will at least share a server with less sites for a higher fee.

It's not John's fault, he shouldn't host so many sites, but he tries to keep the costs down, even lowered his prices since he first started hosting.

It's become a huge burden to him, trying to keep all these sites going at the prices they are paying.


To host 200 sites, he really needs to host no more than 5 per server...

that means he needs 40 servers.

Who should pay the cost, John??????

I think not...

These sites would be shut down in a heartbeat on any other hosting company. or they'd be paying through the nose for a dedicated server.

I've seen some hosting companies charge $2000-$4000 for a dedicated server.

John's asking $150 a month.....

It's not his fault, and the time will come shortly that he's going to have to tell all of them to either go dedicated, or host somewhere else for more money....

You're going to see a lot of them dissapear, because they are too cheap to pay what they should for quality hosting.

John knows what he's doing, but he's not a miracle worker, and the more sites he hosts the worse it will get at the prices they are paying for hosting.

They really need to consider a dedicated server..

My sites up and flying!!!!

We just figured out why a handful were having problems, and we're switching dns again, and a lot of people that had problems are now telling me everything's fixed for them, and the pages are loading instantly, which is what i've been saying for the past 4 days!!!!

I'm tickled to death with the performance of the site now!!!!

I get my work done quickly and with plenty of time to spare....


"you get what you pay for" and these webmasters just don't want to pay what they should be paying...

You;'re gonna see a lot of them go down the tubes soon....
If they are sincere about running a business "you've got to spend money to make money" They just don't want to spend it, and John's been too good and his reputation is being ruined because of it, and it's not him, or his ability.

He's a genius when it comes to scripts and hosting too, but right now, his limit is way over the top of what his servers can handle.

Not true at all...

mec-co-op-paidmail.com is up and running, had 0 downtime in 4 days since going to a dedicated server...Still hosted by myecom.


The ones that are down, are 200 sites, sharing 8 servers..on OVERLOAD..

read my other post..

obviously you're one of the few that have problems with mec-co-op since we switched to dedicated.

The problem was he was using two t1's and when one was busy, it switched to the other.

one is on AT&T and loads instantly, i forget where the other was.

He's removed the other one, and is now only using the one routing thru at&t and i've heard from 4 people that have been complaining, that now the site is flying for them.

Some say it's a browser problem
some said it was aol and msn, etc..

but i believe its' a dns..

He's switched dns again, and it should be fixed 100% for all by tomorrow at the latest.

He is also going to switch dns soon again, so that it's not going thru the same routers as the other sites...

so give it a try again, and let me know how it is for you now..

http://www.mec-co-op-paidmail.com

Hi taxlady
Not having a problem today with your site.

I understand what you are saying about John etc. But I do not agree with you that if other sites hosted with anotyher company they would have their sites shut down...thats simply not true

I have my sites hosting on cynthias servers and believe me SearchBotz has very high bandwidth and I only pay $15 per month. It was originally $10 but the bandwidth got to be so much she changed me to $15 BUT did not and would not shut my site down.

I also used to own ExitPaid exit exchange and that used TONS of CPUs. Cynthia ran me on a server with only one other small site for $50 per month and would have gotten me a dedicated server for I believe she said $100. I ended up selling the site but my point is at NO point did she cut me off or shut my site down.

I understand John is a nice guy I am not debating that point. But what I am saying is there are just as good if not better in my opinion hosting companies that can be trusted so to say John is the only one is simply not true. Never once has any of my sites gone down and cynthia wouldnt overload a server. I know by my DNS info she has at least 8 and wont hesitate to get more if need be. She wouldnt allow what happens with myecome sites being down so often

So anyways there ARE other trusted GOOD hosting companies. Cynthia's just happens to be one of them

Hi all,

Just wanted to clarify that when people are saying "Cynthia's hosting", they're referring to:
LucidityHosting.com

Thats right,,,I dont pay crazy hosting prices either...I just upgraded on to the $15.00 Package, Ones at $10 and Ones at $5.00 (Infinity-Search)...if you are exceeding bandwith she lets you know..if thiers an problems you can catch her quite easily threw MSN and dont need to hope and pray someone got your email...

I have suggested quite a few sites to Cythia and would contiue to do so as she goes that extra step to help you any way she can

Pennies is going to a dedicated server, she may be down 24 hours to give dns time to switch over.

ANd if all the sites ran to cynthia for hosting, they'd have the same darn problem with server overload...

well its not up and flying for me.. I'm still having errors ALL THE TIME and it takes 10 minutes for the links to credit.. thats pretty poor for a 10 second timer..

I know your trying to fix it but argh it worked better for me on the old server..

Carol thats simply NOT true. Not everyone overloads there servers. It doesnt happen at LucidityHosting and thats a fact

Ask Jaz ask anyone that hosts with her. You might be defending John and thats OK but dont talk about a site you havent dealt with...thats simple ignorance

Hi THere,

I don't know what you mean by high traffic for $15 a month...hehe

I used 63 gigs of bandwidth last month......

go figure it out even at $4 per gig....

and i only paid $50....

John's loosing money ....................

I understand the members frustration. My point is sites such as mine need to be on a dedicated server.

I just sent out 100 ten point mails today, and have another 120 to send tomorrow and the day after, plus whatever redemptions come in.

My first month i used 19 gigs of bandwidth....
so as a site grows, so must its costs.....

John's been too good...he felt sorry for all the sites that host4profit shut down, for exceeding bandwith or for running the CGI scripts from CAC...

so he converted them for nothing.

(to those that hosted with him)

he charged a very small fee for those that hosted somewhere else.

Lot's of sites are running John's php scripts converted on other servers.
not all of them are hosted on myecom..

200 sites are.......that's server overload...

For sites starting out a $5 or $15 a month is fine, but once membership grows, it's not enough...

Any of us that own such sites, want our member base to grow, but most don't consider the fact that as the member base grows, so must the hosting fees...

So when they exceed bandwith, they're shut off for the rest of the month or until they pay for more.

John doesn't do that, he just increases the bandwidth needed and bills for it..

You won't believe how many yell and scream that they want to pay $10 or $20..

Well needless to say, a lot will be leaving myecom's server, but not because of the poor service they'll claim, but because they don't want to pay for proper bandwidth.

Then what happens is 2 or 3 days later, when the new host asks for more than John asked for, they want John to move them back..

If they did things right to begin with, none of this would happen..

As i said, john did a lot of things out of the goodness of his heart, and at the same time, not meaning to, he hurt a lot of sites with the bad gateways, etc.....server overloads, etc....

I think he's beginning to realize that he's bitten off more than he can handle on 8 servers (it was 4 servers, he just bought 4 more, + mine and pennies) (we have to pay for the server too) but let john build it..

I know Johns hosting reputation to an outsider who doesn't understand all the in's and outs, looks bad, but it's not John....It is the fact that he needs to be running 20-40 servers, not 8......

and eventually will have to let those that don't want to change their fees, go elsewhere.

He won't be loosing anything, as right now he's overworked trying to keep all these sites up and running but it's only getting worse because as they grow so does the server overload...

I just wish i could have started on a dedicated server...I've lost thousands of members because of downtime, bad gateways, etc...and had i realized that a dedicated server would have solved all that, i would have done it a long time ago...

Of course i'll either have to raise my ad prices to something more realistic to compensate, or raise the points required for advertising redemptions or both..

I won't be making any such changes until March....I want to see how it goes.

Hopefully the ad broker i hooked up with will double the amount of mails he gives me, because i provide good service, getting them out quick, and now with the dedicated server, no more bad gateways etc......

I know he promissed me 200 ads this month, and has already given me 700 so he's happy with the speed i get them out, and the price i give him....

If i can get 1000 ads a month out of him + the members, then i can h old my ad prices as is...which are extremely low...

I'm willing to work harder, just to keep the costs down for everyone...

SInce you posted this at 2:30 am, and dns was switched today during the day, try again, with the last 4 batches of mails i sent out.

let me know how you make out...i've heard from quite a few that were having problems that aren't anymore.

Carole,do you own a part of John's hosting biz coz seriously you are defending him when even a blind man can literally **see** that his hosting sucks,plain and simple.

Let's see...
200 sites switch over to cynthia...

5 sites per server maximum..

Cynthia needs 40 more servers...

Can she afford them?

John can't....not at $15 a month hosting fees..

I don't think what i'm saying is ignorant...

I'm stating facts..

"you get what you pay for"

pay for a dedicated or shared server with less sites sharing, and pay a higher fee and you'll get better results.

Stay at $10 or $15, and you're gonna have 20 other sites on the same server...
SERVER OVERLOAD

My only point in this whole issue is that there ARE other quality hosting services out there and John does not in my opinion ONLY have the best service.

To comment on a service you dont use and to say it would happen there is simply basing the statement on ignorance.

Yes I dont host with myecom but I dont have to to know there is a problem there. Heck I have emails waiting daily to be read because I cant read them when the sites are down.

Anyways...if anyone is looking for hosting there are good hosting companies out there. The best way is to ask around and see what you will find...and another is...hhmm well I get emails everyday from this site and it never goes down I wonder what hosting company they use

No i don't, and i dissagree with you for reasons i've already stated...

But i'll defend your right to your opinion (without insults).

the time on my clock says 4.09 NZ time.. I've just clicked around 5 mec links.. as of 4.13 I'm still waiting.. not 1 has credited


UPDATE - ok first 1 credited at 4.14 I guess thats some improvement.. still a long time to wait for a 10 second timer.. and the others haven't even loaded properly yet..

The requested URL could not be retrieved

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.mec-co-op-paidmail.com/scripts/runner.php?

The following error was encountered:

Connection Failed
The system returned:

(110) Connection timed out
The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again.


hmm yes I'll let you know.. couldn't be any worse I'm sure *sigh*

It may take 24 hours for your isp to update dns because you're so far away..

Let me know how you do tomorrow.

actually,i stated facts

Alright, first of all Carol, you are wrong. I do not overload my servers and you can easily put more than 4 sites per server and still have them run efficiently. I have four servers with close to 100 maybe more sites on all of them with the majority of the sites being ptr's. They run perfectly well. My average prices run $5 to $15 a month, some a bit more. When one server slows down at all, I buy another server. It can be done and I'm making a small profit with it not to mention love doing it.

Many hosting co's charge $3 to $4 per gig.

John charges $5 for 3 gigs...

etc etc....

I just pulled that # off the top of my head, because that's what a lot of the big ones charge.
(or charged) i haven't looked lately...
other than one i ran up on while surfing that wanted $4000 for a dedicated server.......talk about highway robery, and thats per month!

Cynthia, my comments were not directed at you...
I want to make that clear.

I am not familiar with your hosting, or any sites that you are hosting.

I have unsubscribed from 99% of the sites because i don't have the time to click, and don't feel right nickle and diming them just because i built huge downlines.

I currently do ad swaps with those webmasters, and that way we can all concentrate on our own sites, without nickle and diming eachother to death.

I agree that currently John's hosting is overloaded...He had 4 servers hosting 200+ sites......

There have been many times, that i myself bogged down the servers, because of the volume of mails i send out...

I do believe John's beginning to realize what the appearance is to the general public, and he just purchased 4 new servers, and is going to get more but it takes time..

He'll probably loose some sites, do to their choice or his....(for reasons i've already mentioned.)

Just realize, i used you as an example because someone else kept remarking everyone should host with you or someone more reliable.

I personally find john reliable, and it became obvious that i needed to get off those servers in order to be able to function...

The only gripe i have, is that people are commenting on john's poor service, when i know he's bending over backwards to keep them up and running, but definately needs to spread them out a bit more on more servers.

His knowlege and ability is not at fault...It's a financial problem, and john is well known for giving away the shirt off his back...That's his problem, he's too good-hearted.

He needs to treat it as a business and stop doing everyone favors..

I've told him this over and over, and i believe it's finally beginning to sink in.

All i'm saying is give him some time. He knows what he needs to do and will be doing what needs to be done..

My opinion? I think John was busy with the MEC scripts that he never thought about something like this happening, and is scrambling to correct the problems.

Touche'

You hit the nail on the head..and my point is he will get them corrected..

I may be slow coming to a point, but I am not completely dumb.

That's not true... not anymore. Hosting prices have come way down over the last year because of competition.

You won't find many hosts that charge more than $2/gig.

You also said something about 200 sites moving to Lucidity all at once. In that unlikely event we could have servers online to handle all of them by the end of the week.

I think you're right defending a business you're satisfied with... but you don't gotta go getting all dramatic ;-)

i can login now

Great, let me know how the mails go for you..
Just sent out 35 10 point mails..

No you hit it right on the head.

When the CAC script were full of bugs, not to mention letting hackers in, John out of the goodness of his heart converted lots of them free of charge..

Then little by little these sites got thrown off their hosting accounts, some for overloading, others because a lot of hosts refused to run the cgi scripts which used too much resources.

So john set up hosting, even though he really wasn't prepared for the rush of sites that wanted to host with him after he converted the scripts.

It's too much too soon, and too little $$$ to work with.

If he'd stop giving away the moon and the stars to myecom members, which he shares 70% of his revenue with, he'd be able to afford more servers each and every month, in preparation for the flow of sites............

But John being John, will continue working his butt off, giving 70% away..........

He's getting better, and i think beginning to see the light, but i'm sure these posts about his bad service don't help when he knows what he puts into it.

Like Cynthia, he enjoys it, he has to for the small amount of profit , if any he makes.

I've been yelling at him for over a year now that he needs to make some $$$ too and stop giving it all away.

I think that's his biggest problem..

I stuck it out, because i knew he'd get it right..and moving to a dedicated server sure did the trick for me.

I think once everyone's dns updates, it should be fine.

I hadn't really planned on getting involved in this debate but I can't let this one go... These posts about bad service are real Tax. If John reads them then it will be motivation to improve things, not the opposite.

Ok, yes, from everything I hear John is a nice guy. I don't know him but I'm happy to believe it.

But that doesn't mean he should be immune to plain simple truth.

Over the last 6 months I have worked with at least a dozen people that say it sometimes takes a week to get a problem resolved with their MEC site and often their emails are completely ignored.

MEC sites load so slowly that they are a household joke in the get paid industry.

$3/gig is, sincerely, one of the highest prices you're going to find for hosting these days. If you take the price in relation to the load times of MEC sites (compared to other hosts) we're talking about probably the most expensive host on the internet.

Again, I appreciate that you're a happy customer Tax, but there's really no denying the above facts. At least not if you're an MEC customer without a dedicated server.

None of this means John's a bad guy (although accepting new customers on overcrowded servers and charging them crazy prices is questionable) it just means he's in over his head.

Anyway, I still don't really want to debate, but I also think it's important that MEC customers understand their situation. I know that a lot of them think that it's just the way it is to have your site load slowly. Many also don't know that they don't actually have to pay so much to keep their PTR online.

It's supply and demand. If John loses customers because his servers are overcrowded then this is a GOOD thing. It means that his servers will then be less crowded and will motivate him to improve things. That's how business works.