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Would a problem involving a PTR owned by someone who lives on the other side of the world be eligible for consideration as "federal fraud"?

Almost sounds as if the OP is spamming this forum with his/her post...

http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/cf1.asp

Internet Fraud Complaint Center helps with all internet scams.....no spam here just informing honest individuals of wher to go for help with dishonest WM's.....Honest WM'S should not worry or be concerned

Somehow I doubt that any of these places are going to be the least bit interested in anything to do with a PTR program. Frustrating as it is - the sad truth is PTRs are not regulated by any law of any country and by simply not paying members they're not committing any kind of fraud. None of us has a binding contract with any of our PTRs and so it's all a big gamble.

The fact that so many are owned by people in foreign countries compounds the problem.

Your intentions are noble michigander, but they're really pretty useless in this business. There are simply no regulations or laws that say a WM must pay his/her members - other than the laws of common decency.

And such sites have NO Effect to those who live outside of the US

Also, bit of information for you, sure it goes to court, but then the defence lawyer turns and asks those taking any sort of action:

Question: Why did you join the site?
Answer: To make money.

Question: What had drawn you to the site?
Answer: The high link values and ref %.

Question: Have you joined other sites like that one in the past and been stun by such unsustainable prices like that site was running?
Answer: Yes!

Question: So therefore all you wanted was to earn as much money as you could, not declaring it to the government along the way, within a short time period and expect.
Answer: Yes!!!

Guess what, your final answers nails the coffin on yourself and everyone else. Unless people STOP joining the sites that are like that, then those sites will continue to popup. Of course it all comes down to one thing and one thing only.

$$$$$ GREED!!!! $$$$$



PS: Please dont start at me about what US tax laws stating you can earn so much from a company before it's taxed, I dont want to hear it because tax laws differ from country to country.

Thanks for the link tho.. nothing changes unless something changes..

the world of ptr is like the wild west now I think....and the fact that it is so international makes it even harder..

however one thing you can do is not be afraid to speak out...
to share info such as what makes a site "sustainable" or not....
to not be afraid to say when excuses and nonsense is blatant...

Sad to say there are no easy answers, but all you can do is try...

Post about programs that pay you on time in the praise folder..

Post the ones who rip off in the complaints.....

Hang in there.... Knowledge is powerful...share it..thanks for posting this link

I am new to this PTR and haven't even cashed out of one site yet! If I made enough money to report to the IRS I would but as I see it I won't be making much........the PTR sites seem to be too much of a hassle to deal with , I myself refuse to sit hours on end reading thousands of e-mails in exchange for nothing, when it boils right down to it, there may be some wonderful sites to Join that really do honor their TOS, and all that, however who do I trust? Who do I believe? Steve said this Tom said that....well theres no proof of anything positive coming out of PTR, I am sure soon I will become an ex PTR member whom learned B4 she got ripped off!

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not sure this is totally true. There are such things as implied contracts. If a purchase is made for a service and a service is provided (ie buying an add), isn't there an implied contract? I think whatever laws that state that if I take my dog to the groomer and the service is performed and I refuse to pay, I am still responsible for the cost. The groomer could take me to small claims court and would likely win a judgement against me, even if I did not sign a contract with her/him if they could prove the service was performed. I don't know if any of that would apply to people in other countries and if you filed complaints in small claims for all the PTRs that owed you money and then closed or didn't pay, you wouldn't have time for a real job, but I do think there may be some sort of implied contract between us clickers and the WMs. It is just that I have no idea of the best way of enforcing it.

Nice idea Frebbie but you of all people should know by now that all one gets for sharing that knowledge is immediate and constant attack by the faithful followers.

I can't help but wonder if they seriously think that all the smoke blowing that they do will rocket them to the top of these non existant payout lists

While your thought is correct about the implied contracts, when a WM sends out a purchased ad, the implied contract is therefore fulfilled with the advertiser. There is no implied contract with members....

Does it stink? Oh you bet, becuase how many would get Peggy, E2All, Tasias, and the others in court quicker than you can say Kerry-over-bush-in-november?? EVERY SINGLE PERSON.... INCLUDING ME!