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whats a good program that has a high payout maybe around 50 dollars but is easy to earn like a nice site
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Tropical Mails is $45 payout, and offers International search in case you aren't from a search allowed country. Made payout with no refs in 2 months. Lots of mail a day but mostly searches.
Why you want such program? They're almost all scam 
Maybe you should try programs with about $15 payout, only sites I know with high payout are Net-Money-Mail and Fiero-Mania ($40 & $99 payout)
pm me for reflinks
...Rick
Maybe you should try programs with about $15 payout, only sites I know with high payout are Net-Money-Mail and Fiero-Mania ($40 & $99 payout)
pm me for reflinks
...Rick
True speaking from all the more experienced PTR users. If you want to join a program with about $50 minimum payout level, you can't expect to reach the payout easily. "Easy to reach" in terms of a PTR newbie would mean a time period of 2 weeks up to 3 weeks, preferrably. There are such sites, but none, that would be honest paying ones.
Let me give you a small example, Zain:
You have, let's say, found a site, that has a payout of $45.
After spending some time in this program you discover that it's earnings are really fast.
You will reach the minimum payout level in your personal earnings after, let's say, 20 days (assuming you don't have referrals).
Now, this would mean that you earned $45 dollars in 20 days. In other words, $2.25 dollars in 1 day.
Let's assume, that you clicked about 40 paid links sent by that PTR, and from these clicks, you earned the $2.25 each day. This would mean, that each click (paid link) was worth about $0.05625 in average. So let's say, you clicked 5 mails worth 10 cents and 35 mails worth 5 cents each day.
So in total, after these 20 days pass, the site owes you:
$10 for the clicks you made in a total of 100 10cent mails
$35 for the clicks you made in a total of 700 5cent mails
Now look at the page "Advertising" for this site and find the place where a "10 cent mail to all" and "5 cent mail to all" advertisements are offered. Look at the prices of one 10cent mail and one 5cent mail.
Let's say that a 10 cent mail costs $7.00 and a 5 cent mail costs $4.00. So this means, that when people bought the 100 mails worth 10 cents and the 700 mails worth 5 cents, during these 20 days, the site got:
100*$7+700*$4 = $3500.00 dollars from selling these ads.
And it owes you $45. They earned $3500 dollars from selling these ads, and they have to pay you $45 for clicking them. Looks like they really CAN pay since their profits were so high - seems GREAT, doesn't it? WELL.....
Now look at the number next or below to "Total members". What does it say? Let's assume, it says, in modesty, "4200". So the site has got 4200 members by the day you have reached your payout level. Let's say that when you first joined, it had 3500 members. Let's assume also, that not all of these members are active, let's say that only 1000 members are as active as you and can also reach the payout in 20 days, like you did.
This would mean, that by the time you reached the payout, at least 1000 other members have already reached payout before you did. Meaning, the site would have to pay $45000 to them as payouts, but, including the ads you've clicked, the site has sold and sent out a total of maybe 150 1cent mails and 1000 5cent mails, let's say, within 30 days, including the 20 days you've been a member for. So, the site has sold ads for
150*$7 + 1000*$4 = $5,500
but they owe their members already at least $45,000. How can they pay all of these members? Okay, let's say that some members didn't reach payout, because they redeemed for ads. Let's say about 100 members from those 1000 who reached payout, didn't actually reach it and redeemed their earnings for ads. So that leaves us 900 members to who the site owes $40500 for a period of 30 days, but has only sold paid e-mail ads for $5500. Let's assume the site is lucky and has also sold banner impressions, top and bottom sponsor ads, some gold memberships, side links and weekly best recommended ptr ads, all for a total of another $2000 during that 30 days. So, the site has gotten a total of $7500 for the sales of the ads. But it owes $40500, which means that even if he did as much payouts as possible, it would still owe $45 to 743 members at, or, a total of $33000 dollars. Where would the site take this money? From their own pockets? Not likely.
The owner of the site has calculated all this before and knows he could not pay with such advertising prices (which are actually fairly high) and such rewards for each paid link sent to members. So he is pulling a scam by running this kind of a site and has no intentions in paying members other than the few first ones reaching the payout, just in order to gain popularity and have some more future for this site - in other words, earn some more money.
So if you've read this reply throughly, you'll understand why honest fast earnings sites with $50 payout and more do not exist.
Let me give you a small example, Zain:
You have, let's say, found a site, that has a payout of $45.
After spending some time in this program you discover that it's earnings are really fast.
You will reach the minimum payout level in your personal earnings after, let's say, 20 days (assuming you don't have referrals).
Now, this would mean that you earned $45 dollars in 20 days. In other words, $2.25 dollars in 1 day.
Let's assume, that you clicked about 40 paid links sent by that PTR, and from these clicks, you earned the $2.25 each day. This would mean, that each click (paid link) was worth about $0.05625 in average. So let's say, you clicked 5 mails worth 10 cents and 35 mails worth 5 cents each day.
So in total, after these 20 days pass, the site owes you:
$10 for the clicks you made in a total of 100 10cent mails
$35 for the clicks you made in a total of 700 5cent mails
Now look at the page "Advertising" for this site and find the place where a "10 cent mail to all" and "5 cent mail to all" advertisements are offered. Look at the prices of one 10cent mail and one 5cent mail.
Let's say that a 10 cent mail costs $7.00 and a 5 cent mail costs $4.00. So this means, that when people bought the 100 mails worth 10 cents and the 700 mails worth 5 cents, during these 20 days, the site got:
100*$7+700*$4 = $3500.00 dollars from selling these ads.
And it owes you $45. They earned $3500 dollars from selling these ads, and they have to pay you $45 for clicking them. Looks like they really CAN pay since their profits were so high - seems GREAT, doesn't it? WELL.....
Now look at the number next or below to "Total members". What does it say? Let's assume, it says, in modesty, "4200". So the site has got 4200 members by the day you have reached your payout level. Let's say that when you first joined, it had 3500 members. Let's assume also, that not all of these members are active, let's say that only 1000 members are as active as you and can also reach the payout in 20 days, like you did.
This would mean, that by the time you reached the payout, at least 1000 other members have already reached payout before you did. Meaning, the site would have to pay $45000 to them as payouts, but, including the ads you've clicked, the site has sold and sent out a total of maybe 150 1cent mails and 1000 5cent mails, let's say, within 30 days, including the 20 days you've been a member for. So, the site has sold ads for
150*$7 + 1000*$4 = $5,500
but they owe their members already at least $45,000. How can they pay all of these members? Okay, let's say that some members didn't reach payout, because they redeemed for ads. Let's say about 100 members from those 1000 who reached payout, didn't actually reach it and redeemed their earnings for ads. So that leaves us 900 members to who the site owes $40500 for a period of 30 days, but has only sold paid e-mail ads for $5500. Let's assume the site is lucky and has also sold banner impressions, top and bottom sponsor ads, some gold memberships, side links and weekly best recommended ptr ads, all for a total of another $2000 during that 30 days. So, the site has gotten a total of $7500 for the sales of the ads. But it owes $40500, which means that even if he did as much payouts as possible, it would still owe $45 to 743 members at, or, a total of $33000 dollars. Where would the site take this money? From their own pockets? Not likely.
The owner of the site has calculated all this before and knows he could not pay with such advertising prices (which are actually fairly high) and such rewards for each paid link sent to members. So he is pulling a scam by running this kind of a site and has no intentions in paying members other than the few first ones reaching the payout, just in order to gain popularity and have some more future for this site - in other words, earn some more money.
So if you've read this reply throughly, you'll understand why honest fast earnings sites with $50 payout and more do not exist.
they are all new with an easy possibity to build downlines.
Scam is sorted out, so you will find some sites that matches your search.
mod note: spam removed. please read the rules.
QUOTE(aixtiger @ Jul 27 2004, 03:09 PM)
Scam is sorted out, so you will find some sites that matches your search.
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I believe that Banana-Mails is one of the most perfect examples of sites that DON'T pay.
5c solo email to all - $2.99
Total members: 4,479
"100+ e-mails will be sent in 10 days when we reach 1000 members!"
$5 Sign-up Bonus
$45 Dollar Payout for FREE Members!
What's wrong with these sentences? Put them together and you'll get it:
$5 Sign-up Bonus:
There are 4,479 members currently. This means, that the site owes these members 4,479*$5 = $22395 purely for these members having signed up.
Even if only 2000 members from the 4,479 total members click a 5 cent ad, they earn a total of 2000*$0.05 = $100.00 . Meaning, the site owes them $100 dollars for an ad that the site itself has only sold for $2.99.
100+ emails sent in 10 days. Okay, say all of these e-mails were the lowest, 5 cent emails. Each e-mail earns 2000 members a total of $100.00, so therefore, within 10 days, 100 emails earn:
$100*100 = $10,000, each member earns $5.
So from purely these ads, the site would owe at least $33,500 to it's members. Now comparing the advertisement prices, you'd really expect the site to earn as much from the ad orders, so that it would pay all it's debts?
EDIT: uuuhh, aixtiger, judging from your promote page, you've joined a lot of trash, and basicly nothing but trash. But good luck anyways - you're gonna need it
QUOTE(nightdancer707 @ Jul 27 2004, 07:15 PM)
True speaking from all the more experienced PTR users. If you want to join a program with about $50 minimum payout level, you can't expect to reach the payout easily. "Easy to reach" in terms of a PTR newbie would mean a time period of 2 weeks up to 3 weeks, preferrably. There are such sites, but none, that would be honest paying ones.
Let me give you a small example, Zain:
You have, let's say, found a site, that has a payout of $45.
After spending some time in this program you discover that it's earnings are really fast.
You will reach the minimum payout level in your personal earnings after, let's say, 20 days (assuming you don't have referrals).
Now, this would mean that you earned $45 dollars in 20 days. In other words, $2.25 dollars in 1 day.
Let's assume, that you clicked about 40 paid links sent by that PTR, and from these clicks, you earned the $2.25 each day. This would mean, that each click (paid link) was worth about $0.05625 in average. So let's say, you clicked 5 mails worth 10 cents and 35 mails worth 5 cents each day.
So in total, after these 20 days pass, the site owes you:
$10 for the clicks you made in a total of 100 10cent mails
$35 for the clicks you made in a total of 700 5cent mails
Now look at the page "Advertising" for this site and find the place where a "10 cent mail to all" and "5 cent mail to all" advertisements are offered. Look at the prices of one 10cent mail and one 5cent mail.
Let's say that a 10 cent mail costs $7.00 and a 5 cent mail costs $4.00. So this means, that when people bought the 100 mails worth 10 cents and the 700 mails worth 5 cents, during these 20 days, the site got:
100*$7+700*$4 = $3500.00 dollars from selling these ads.
And it owes you $45. They earned $3500 dollars from selling these ads, and they have to pay you $45 for clicking them. Looks like they really CAN pay since their profits were so high - seems GREAT, doesn't it? WELL.....
Now look at the number next or below to "Total members". What does it say? Let's assume, it says, in modesty, "4200". So the site has got 4200 members by the day you have reached your payout level. Let's say that when you first joined, it had 3500 members. Let's assume also, that not all of these members are active, let's say that only 1000 members are as active as you and can also reach the payout in 20 days, like you did.
This would mean, that by the time you reached the payout, at least 1000 other members have already reached payout before you did. Meaning, the site would have to pay $45000 to them as payouts, but, including the ads you've clicked, the site has sold and sent out a total of maybe 150 1cent mails and 1000 5cent mails, let's say, within 30 days, including the 20 days you've been a member for. So, the site has sold ads for
150*$7 + 1000*$4 = $5,500
but they owe their members already at least $45,000. How can they pay all of these members? Okay, let's say that some members didn't reach payout, because they redeemed for ads. Let's say about 100 members from those 1000 who reached payout, didn't actually reach it and redeemed their earnings for ads. So that leaves us 900 members to who the site owes $40500 for a period of 30 days, but has only sold paid e-mail ads for $5500. Let's assume the site is lucky and has also sold banner impressions, top and bottom sponsor ads, some gold memberships, side links and weekly best recommended ptr ads, all for a total of another $2000 during that 30 days. So, the site has gotten a total of $7500 for the sales of the ads. But it owes $40500, which means that even if he did as much payouts as possible, it would still owe $45 to 743 members at, or, a total of $33000 dollars. Where would the site take this money? From their own pockets? Not likely.
The owner of the site has calculated all this before and knows he could not pay with such advertising prices (which are actually fairly high) and such rewards for each paid link sent to members. So he is pulling a scam by running this kind of a site and has no intentions in paying members other than the few first ones reaching the payout, just in order to gain popularity and have some more future for this site - in other words, earn some more money.
So if you've read this reply throughly, you'll understand why honest fast earnings sites with $50 payout and more do not exist.
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Let me give you a small example, Zain:
You have, let's say, found a site, that has a payout of $45.
After spending some time in this program you discover that it's earnings are really fast.
You will reach the minimum payout level in your personal earnings after, let's say, 20 days (assuming you don't have referrals).
Now, this would mean that you earned $45 dollars in 20 days. In other words, $2.25 dollars in 1 day.
Let's assume, that you clicked about 40 paid links sent by that PTR, and from these clicks, you earned the $2.25 each day. This would mean, that each click (paid link) was worth about $0.05625 in average. So let's say, you clicked 5 mails worth 10 cents and 35 mails worth 5 cents each day.
So in total, after these 20 days pass, the site owes you:
$10 for the clicks you made in a total of 100 10cent mails
$35 for the clicks you made in a total of 700 5cent mails
Now look at the page "Advertising" for this site and find the place where a "10 cent mail to all" and "5 cent mail to all" advertisements are offered. Look at the prices of one 10cent mail and one 5cent mail.
Let's say that a 10 cent mail costs $7.00 and a 5 cent mail costs $4.00. So this means, that when people bought the 100 mails worth 10 cents and the 700 mails worth 5 cents, during these 20 days, the site got:
100*$7+700*$4 = $3500.00 dollars from selling these ads.
And it owes you $45. They earned $3500 dollars from selling these ads, and they have to pay you $45 for clicking them. Looks like they really CAN pay since their profits were so high - seems GREAT, doesn't it? WELL.....
Now look at the number next or below to "Total members". What does it say? Let's assume, it says, in modesty, "4200". So the site has got 4200 members by the day you have reached your payout level. Let's say that when you first joined, it had 3500 members. Let's assume also, that not all of these members are active, let's say that only 1000 members are as active as you and can also reach the payout in 20 days, like you did.
This would mean, that by the time you reached the payout, at least 1000 other members have already reached payout before you did. Meaning, the site would have to pay $45000 to them as payouts, but, including the ads you've clicked, the site has sold and sent out a total of maybe 150 1cent mails and 1000 5cent mails, let's say, within 30 days, including the 20 days you've been a member for. So, the site has sold ads for
150*$7 + 1000*$4 = $5,500
but they owe their members already at least $45,000. How can they pay all of these members? Okay, let's say that some members didn't reach payout, because they redeemed for ads. Let's say about 100 members from those 1000 who reached payout, didn't actually reach it and redeemed their earnings for ads. So that leaves us 900 members to who the site owes $40500 for a period of 30 days, but has only sold paid e-mail ads for $5500. Let's assume the site is lucky and has also sold banner impressions, top and bottom sponsor ads, some gold memberships, side links and weekly best recommended ptr ads, all for a total of another $2000 during that 30 days. So, the site has gotten a total of $7500 for the sales of the ads. But it owes $40500, which means that even if he did as much payouts as possible, it would still owe $45 to 743 members at, or, a total of $33000 dollars. Where would the site take this money? From their own pockets? Not likely.
The owner of the site has calculated all this before and knows he could not pay with such advertising prices (which are actually fairly high) and such rewards for each paid link sent to members. So he is pulling a scam by running this kind of a site and has no intentions in paying members other than the few first ones reaching the payout, just in order to gain popularity and have some more future for this site - in other words, earn some more money.
So if you've read this reply throughly, you'll understand why honest fast earnings sites with $50 payout and more do not exist.
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holy gomoly you worked it all out
QUOTE(vincy @ Jul 27 2004, 08:10 PM)
holy gomoly you worked it all out
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I usually do a simpler calculation. I go to the ad page. Check to see their ad prices. Say 1 C to all - $5.00. Then I find out how many members they have. Say 2000 members. 2000 * .01 = $20.00 is the cost to pay all members for that ad.
$20.00 - $5.00 = $15.00 the WM has to come up with from other revnue or out of pocket per ad sent.
Then I also like to find out the % of the ad sold short. Cost of the Ad/how much the WM owes - 5 / 20 = 0.25. Convert 0.25 to a whole number 25. 100 - 25 = 75
The ad is being sold short 75%. If you want to double check this figure you can take what the WM owes - 75%, which would come out to 5 or how much the ad is being sold for.
Look at Mamacita-emails payout is 40$ and you can see a lot of "was paid" in the Praise and applauses folder. In two week I have earn 15$ in personal earning!
YourPtr is another good program with good feedback!
Hope this help!
YourPtr is another good program with good feedback!
Hope this help!
QUOTE(vincy @ Jul 28 2004, 04:10 AM)
holy gomoly you worked it all out
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Okay, it was a rather deep explanation, but a rather simple one for most newbies to understand the basic points behind all this attractive PTR world. I didn't exactly work it out, I just rolled open a few quick approximate calculations and gave an example
most newbies don't get the basic geometry of a thing of things unless you:1) carve them out of wood
2) paint them red
3) and put big white arrows everywhere pointing to the thing
And some don't get it even if you really do all these things. Go figure
Please consider Mamacita-Emails.
The rest are not all scam sites, such as CashDelight, Beta Cash, etc. However they are not as easy to reach payout. Have fun.
The rest are not all scam sites, such as CashDelight, Beta Cash, etc. However they are not as easy to reach payout. Have fun.
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