I bought the program in September and have clearly stated my terms for over 3 months. No more than one account per household, computer,isp. NOW last night I began deleting some of these people. Some have claimed to have made arrangements with other webmasters to have more than one account, I was not a part of these agreements and will not play favorites with webmasters or otherwise.

So as a result of my deleting those, I deleted Ike (Jays Paid) and Sherry girl. He was signed up under her, the both had tons of referrals. Both listed the same mailing address and signed up with the same ip. This is cheating. They were deleted and told why when Sherry asked about her acccount.

I have clicked and been active in 3 of their programs, I just recently redeemed my earnings at Jays for a gold membership. I did not have two accounts, become inactive or otherwise, yet every single one of my accounts were deleted. This is not right. They were breaking the rules, I was not. Sherry never requested payout as stated below. As well, the files they had, member account files have been backed up over last 3 months by host as well. I would be more than happy to have someone who is neutral look at their account files to prove that they not only had same mailing address, but same ip as well.

This is not fair, and now, they claim they are going to ruin my program so to speak, here is part of the last email from Jays:

From: Jaydillar Online LLC <mailto:webmaster@jaydillar.com>
Date: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:04:32 PM
To: Shannon Hines <mailto:webmaster@flanneljava.com>
Subject: Re: Hi Jay here


per my terms disrespect or abuse of staff you called us cheaters end of story

and yes the deal was with richard in looking things over

We were granted permission and your lucky we are willing to leave the
jade banners up

You will have Tons of Referrals to sell now since You stole are accounts
Both of which were actively being promoted

They were signed up from seperate Ips as sherry joined from work
seperate Ips

============================

Have Fun selling are referrals u did not have us by the same Ip
(what a Lie )

We will also be sending crook alerts on your program !!!

and urging are members to withdraw from your program

let us promote your site until sherry requested pay out we have sent many ads and over 30,000+ PTC to your site braging it up
----- Original Message -----
From: Shannon Hines <mailto:webmaster@flanneljava.com>
To: webmaster@jaydillar.com <mailto:webmaster@jaydillar.com>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Hi Jay here


You did not make that agreement with me, possibly Richard or Anne. I have stated for 3 months that anyone having more than one account per household, per isp must delete one or be deleted. I expect all members to follow the same rules. Now, you explain, where in your terms of service I have violated any of your terms of service. I participate in all of my programs honestly, not with duplicate accounts. I saved up and worked for 5 months to get gold membership, and your deleting me because you were cheating in my program. Wonder what everyone else would have to say about it.

Shannon

-------Original Message-------

From: Jaydillar Online LLC <mailto:webmaster@jaydillar.com>
Date: Friday, December 06, 2002 8:30:45 PM
To: Shannon Hines <mailto:programs@flanneljava.com>
Subject: Hi Jay here

I wrote u a couple months ago about

having an account with you and sherry had 1 too

Mine I was going to be using for redemptions only for ads

you remove my account

I remove you thanks

Jay

Good for You SCAMMER !!!

You stated;
I would be more than happy to have someone who is neutral look at their account files to prove that they not only had same mailing address, but same ip as well.

Now thats a reasonable request any nonbias WM up to the task?

We were NOT listed under each other you have a cac site you LIAR

Now you have Tons of Referrals to sell . ( that you have scammed 2 honest ) members out of

and you delete us as my account was arranged with richard as an earn advertising ONLY account


Which your were informed of upon your purchase

What a JOKE YOU & YOUR Program are !!!

In regards to this point......are we sure Richard told her.....thats holding alot of faith in Richard


Shannon is very honest and works hard at her programs........I think eveyone should try and settle this properly without the names (hides her head......can see the pouncing coming)

You can edit your low line crap files cac text files to show anything u want

now what a Joke

!!!

You & Your Program are a SCAM !!
You Purchased the site and agreed to take over as is .

My aragement with Richard is valid and you violated Our Terms when you were disrespectful of staff & abusive

by calling us cheaters & liars

My host has backup files of the site. I have cac site, which is flat cgi files. Easy enough for even a novice to read. I have no problem with someone checking backups for this information. You know you were doing wrong. You both had the same ip of 64.33.161.4. You already admitted to having the same mailing address too. Terms clearly state ONE PER HOUSEHOLD. I gave everyone four months to get rid of one, that is more than ample timing.

I have nothing to hide here, so what do you say, we find a third neutral party to check it out. I have nothing to fear.

Why call names?

This is not right. They were breaking the rules, I was not. Sherry never requested payout as stated below. As well, the files they had, member account files have been backed up over last 3 months by host as well. I would be more than happy to have someone who is neutral look at their account files to prove that they not only had same mailing address, but same ip as well.

The person states has the account files. Should prove it one way or another.
Or even if need be post a copy of them here in the forum.

I was not informed about any special agreements when I worked for Richard or after the purchase, now if we could only find Richard, oh thats right, the one Jays does business with is now hiding in the shadows as well shamed beyond belief.

Crooked actions have a way of catching up, I have nothing to worry about. I am more than willing to lay it on the table, how about you.

I'm more than happy to look things over as the site is on my server, I can see lots of things.

Don't know if that makes me impartial or not and I'd only be glad to do it if asked.

Easy Enough for any SCAMMER which you clearly are

to have already edited with ftp

You & Your Program are a Scam and the Mail has just been fired off to 24,500+

GPT members SCAMMER !

My Account was arraged for me to use as advertising only !


===============

Cyntia will you please look at her contact log immediately

and see if you can see the payout request that should be logged

Please tell me how I have access to my hosts backup files. and you cant change the last modified date on a file now can you. Simply enough, go back a while and check your account information before they were deleted and it will show you have the same mailing address (which you admit) as well as the same ip.

sherrys account = mhsins@nelson-tel.net

my advertising account ( to earn advertising ) = ike@unitedboxbrokers.com

Our Ip

is http://64.33.157.195

which is brodacast Ip

Guys..time out...Cynthia has offered to look into this and she's as honest as they come so let her take care of that and call it even...

Payments:

Members may earn by receiving paid-emails and visiting the advertiser websites after they have entered their member ID in the area on the website provided by jays-paidmail.com.
Members must maintain a 25% click thru ratio on paid emails issued to them !
Members must not be inacative for a period in excess of 15 days
or they will be deleted and earnings lost If you need to be away use the vacation manager ! Members may earn by referring new members to the jays-paidmail.com program. A Flat rate BONUS paid upon referral reaching a $350.00 Account Balance. Members will earn
Disrespect or abuse of Staff will be grounds for termination!
$10 for each direct referral, and .20%
$5 for each 2nd level direct referral,
$4 for each 3rd level direct referral,
$3 for each 4th level direct referral,
$2 for each 5th level direct referral and
$1 for each 6th level direct referral. Members will be paid via Paypal/e-gold/check. jays-paidmail.com will pay members when their balance reaches $350 and they request payment. Payments will be made within 30 days or a reasonable time after.
Check Processing Fee - $5.

right there u called me a cheater & a liar

Per My TOS I delete you and you and you complain ~ get a life lady

Question? These are the terms at EE......curious.....Jay did you or Sherry notify Shannon of your agreement with Richard?? As we all know now that Richard is not the most realiable and well...trust worthy...... Or do you know for sure Richard passed on this information??

I think we can get this straightend out if everyone takes a breath and calms down

last two from Jays: Now he is even taking it out on Jade and those who supported her



From: Jaydillar Online LLC
Date: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:17:34 PM
To: Shannon Hines
Subject: Re: Hi Jay here


so anyone can easily edit that test based crap now

consider all Jade banners deleted and please refund those peoples money

I will delete all banners asap !

********************next*****

Thing I found an old email of yours and never once did you state any previous arragemnets made with Richard were now NULL & Void

=====================

So go ahead and lets get on with this War
your welcome to campaign the forums

and your are now in my template as dishonest program

on all out going emails effective immediately

========================

Well lol we agree. Is this person besides being honest, non bias? I don't know this person so I am asking, not attacking.

If the charges against you shall we say are found to be true then how will it be a vilolation of your tos?

Just wondering

Now ........I know I should shut up...but.....The Jade Fundrasier was for A Good Cause.... and the money went to her..Let s not get unreasonable now......those banners dont help Shannons site or herself personally in any way.....That was to raise money to help a sick little girl

Cynthia Hosts many get paid to read email sites

I also have this same arragement with GypseDad & LuckyEarners & Mikes

and Now you tell us ( and NO information concerning Richards dishonest dealings was revealed to us )

until these last couple days

we have sent an email letting him know that we are asking his response to your alligations prior to us dihonouring our forums linking arrangement .

Yet you Fire offer we are cheaters & lairs

( you violated are terms ) plain & simple we had a pre arraged deal to have
1 account for pay & me to have one for advertising


and you delete 2 people that searched for you and bragged your program

up and down in our emails .

Ok, this is what I have found in a backup I have on my server that no one has access to except me. I find two users: ike@unitedboxbrokers.com with IP address of 64.33.161.4 and mhsins@nelson-tel.net with IP address of 64.33.161.4. Each have different first names, same last names and same mailing addresses. Ike@ is in mhsins downline.

I didn't not find anything in the contact log about redemption but I don't think they are kept there. I don't believe they are logged. The only thing I find is a question from mhsins about her account not being there and to please look into it.

If you have anything else you want me to look up, let me know and so long as both parties agree, I will.

*sneaks around the bush, looking out* crikey! lookey here mate, we got ourselves a beauty here. we'll take a look more after these commercial messages

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you've seen it on tv, now order the video: when webmasters attack volume 3

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just trying to lighten things up here, please ignore if you would rather keep everything serious. honestly though, i hate seeing webmasters at each other's throats. don't we have enough trouble with things like paypal freezing accounts, and some webmasters running off and disappearing with people's money? do we really need more webmasters at each other's throats? *sighs*

LMAO

A sick little girl? I be grateful if you pm me the url of the site so I can join.

I don't think anyone should be able to have special priviledges. Not members or WM. If I am not allowed 2 accounts, why should WM? I don't think this is fair.

Cynthia is reliable--anyone who has been in this biz for long knows she's one of the few u can rely on....

Okay.......just trying to state some things and clarify things...

firstly, who OWNS the site? i would assume jay that you have a deal with the person who actually owns the site, not a third party. so if shannon bought the site, you would have a deal with HER....

secondly, i think she only said something about your site jay, AFTER you deleted her accounts - she hadn't violated anything before then had she, to get her accounts deleted?

I'm trying to get Frank on the phone to see if the redemptions are logged

But yeah for 3 months if she has owned it that long she reviews accounts after the redemption button was pressed which I feel is pathetic

That Ip is Not our Ip but the GateWay Ip provider for our Internet service provider

and if the software only sees the GateWay Ip

anyone in a 80 square mile radius of here would show the EXACT same Ip

Lets compare;

My host has backup files of the site. I have cac site, which is flat cgi files. Easy enough for even a novice to read. I have no problem with someone checking backups for this information. You know you were doing wrong. You both had the same ip of 64.33.161.4. You already admitted to having the same mailing address too. Terms clearly state ONE PER HOUSEHOLD. I gave everyone four months to get rid of one, that is more than ample timing.

I have nothing to hide here, so what do you say, we find a third neutral party to check it out. I have nothing to fear.


Well looks like they both use the same addy and address to me.
Ah gateway, only shows one isp number, interesting. Learn something new every day.

agreed! i would love my boyfriend to sign up under me.......hehe.

If nothing else why I'll look thru her rantings (emails) her actions were a disrespect

By deleting our accounts LABELed as CHEATERS


======================

She stated it herself either way I deleted the SCAMMER and she wants to come cry to the Public

THAT BIG DADDY PAPPA PUMP JAYS-PAIDMAIL

=========================

deleted her Oh Boo Hoo for flanelhava

I wrote and asked 2 have an account for ADVERTISING ONLY !


when I got enough I could redeem my earnings only for Advertising NO

WM issue here

That's what I was thinking..........gee, can my hubby sign up? He'll only use it for advertising! How about my daughter...........my cat..........Zippy, the turtle........

I think its unfair for webmasters to cut out deals with some people and not others....

like how all these ocmpanies have cut out a deal for Sherry and Jay and in the mean time,they are busy eating our heads off for having more than one account per household...or whatever

do the words double standard and hypocrisy ring a bell,anyone???

omgosh, jay, why do you always resort to little boy name calling and taunting? you can't stay civil for one whole disagreement until it gets sorted. next one, you should try it. i'll give you a kudos if you can.

Jay when you post like that it doesn't reflect well on you. It gives the impression that your covering up improper actions by making insults. Can anyone confirm gateway does what Jay says it does?

IP address: 64.33.161.4
Host name: air-2948-bg2-1.airstreamcomm.net

TraceRoute to 64.33.161.4 [air-2948-bg2-1.airstreamcomm.net]

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2 0 0 0 216.191.97.41 pos5-3.core1-mtl.bb.attcanada.ca
3 0 0 16 216.191.65.173 pos8-1.core2-tor.bb.attcanada.ca
4 0 16 0 216.191.65.243 srp2-0.gwy1-tor.bb.attcanada.ca
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6 16 15 16 12.123.5.222 gbr6-p80.cgcil.ip.att.net
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8 31 16 16 12.122.1.182 gbr2-p50.cgcil.ip.att.net
9 31 16 31 12.123.193.197 ar1-p3110.stpmn.ip.att.net
10 31 32 31 12.126.254.182 -
11 31 32 31 64.33.146.166 air-archie-6.airstreamcomm.net
12 31 31 32 64.33.161.4 air-2948-bg2-1.airstreamcomm.net

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Domain Name: AIRSTREAMCOMM.NET
Registrar: TUCOWS, INC.
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Name Server: BRUTUS.BRIGHT.NET
Name Server: NS1.AIRSTREAMCOMM.NET
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WHOIS whois.opensrs.net airstreamcomm.net:

Registrant:
Airstream Communications
7633 Ganser Way
Madison, WI 53719
US

Domain Name: AIRSTREAMCOMM.NET

Administrative Contact:
Taylor, Jim jtaylor1@airstreamcomm.net
7633 Ganser Way
Madison, WI 53719
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(608)829-2667
Fax: (608)829-2755

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Operations, Network noc@network1.net
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419-739-3165


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DNS Records for airstreamcomm.net:

query from dns.consumer.net to get an authoritative nameserver

NameServer used for query: brutus.bright.net



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No nameserver record found

Network IP address lookup:

whois whois.arin.net 64.33.161.4:



OrgName: Access Wisconsin
OrgID: AWIS

NetRange: 64.33.128.0 - 64.33.207.255
CIDR: 64.33.128.0/18, 64.33.192.0/20
NetName: WBN-BLK-1
NetHandle: NET-64-33-128-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.AIRSTREAMCOMM.NET
NameServer: NS.NETWORK1.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 2000-02-02
Updated: 2002-07-30

TechHandle: JK639-ARIN
TechName: Kable, Jon
TechPhone: +1-419-739-9265
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OrgTechPhone: +1-419-739-9240
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Not all WM do it. But yes the bells ring loud.

So you mean to tell me that you think if I wrote to the other PTRE sites I am a member of, they would let my hubby sign up if we requested he would redeem for advertising only. Sorry Jay but I really don't think so.

just interrupting to let you all know this is THE hottest thread on the board right now :ph34r:

Lot of cat lovers out their, I think you got a good chance.

Your Right and the Info has been Posted for you

and Yes I had and agreement to earn advertising with an account

I and Sherry Both still have accounts with Richard at

EmailTraficc

mine is - jaydillar@yahoo.com

sherrys - mhsins@nelson-tel.net

======================

Did she write or us giving us a chance to explain how or why we have these account NO

but she runs and hollars foul in a Public Forum

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yup, sure is the hottest thread! you can just sit here and refresh the page and there's another posting! read that and then refresh again, lol.

lol yup that's what I am doing!!

There will be NO sorting accounts Cause NO matter what I will NOT give her accounts back and in talking to my dad if I should delete her gold ads or Not which are still active

He said ahh don't work yourself up over piddly stuff

get to work bud

So I'm outta here

I'll leave shawdowman to Pass Final Judgement cause he seems to be clicking on all 8 cylinders these past couple days

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also the scam alert in the template was just deleted ad the ad was still setting on 1

in the que mailer

I know,i'm disappointed in those who do and I just unsubscribed from one's program coz i cant stand hypocrites...