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kenobe23
Well, she's done it again. This time I'm a little more annoyed - I haven't been advertising since Peggy started sendning out emails saying that she may switch to ads only @ route66. But

Did anyone get an email saying ProfitSharingConcepts was turning ads only as well?

I didn't.

I'll be kissing good bye to those sites and to her as a WM .. this should not be tolerated by us as members. Not that we weren't warned about Route 66 - but still - it's a load of bull as far as I'm concerned.

At least there are still sites that have reputable honest WM with integrity.

cherinec5
i was just on the site and i had NO idea that she changed it over to a redeem only ad. i was soooooooooooo potty off!!! i didn't get an email or anything saying that it was going to change over. i was only about $8 away from payout too. i just went and deleted my account and on route66 too. i'm sick of that.
Alien
QUOTE (kenobe23 @ Jul 7 2004, 11:02 PM)
Well, she's done it again. This time I'm a little more annoyed - I haven't been advertising since Peggy started sendning out emails saying that she may switch to ads only @ route66. But

Did anyone get an email saying ProfitSharingConcepts was turning ads only as well?

I didn't.

I'll be kissing good bye to those sites and to her as a WM .. this should not be tolerated by us as members. Not that we weren't warned about Route 66 - but still - it's a load of bull as far as I'm concerned.

At least there are still sites that have reputable honest WM with integrity.

For me this site is only for ads for a long time. i requested payout 6 months ago and never was paid sad.gif
mcf
What a scammer. ohmy.gif and a thief too.
inflames666
any word on waggin tails going ads only? I put my account on vacation since I realized she wasn't paying...
Metiff
I have redeemed at two sites, one the ad was run with very poor results. The other the ad never ran, I contacted her and she had no idea that I ever redeemed.

I planned on quitting anyway...guess I'll do it now!

Tiff
westcovinajoe
This blows!

Something tells me though we haven't seen the last of this ads only nonsense.

Haven't these people heard of a safelist???

That's what an ads only site is isn't it???


Route66Safelist,
Joe biggrin.gif
debdia30
I had no idea this switched either until reading it here. I have been waiting for payout here for months and was almost up to requesting it again. Also been waiting at Route66 for months. I have no words to say how angry I am at her. I'm also in Lost in the 50's where I'm sure those earnings are lost in Peggys hands.
jacqui2488
I AM ANGRY, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, I AM A UPGRADED MEMBER AND PAID $25 DOLLARS, I WANT MY MONEUY BACK WHAT CAN I DO, SHOOT HER...
spookers
QUOTE (westcovinajoe @ Jul 8 2004, 06:11 AM)


Something tells me though we haven't seen the last of this ads only nonsense.





Anyone want to take a guess as to which one will be next sleep.gif
jacqui2488
And this is what shes got to say... BUT I BET US UPGRADED MEMBERS STILL NEVER SEE A PENNY....WHADDA YOU THINK!!??...

Dear members!

As you know the wait for payout is getting longer and longer, beyond the 90 days stated in the terms for some of you.

We have come up with a solution that we hope will be fair for everyone.

The site will now change to a profit sharing format, 75% of site revenues ( ad purchases, searches and other ) will be shared between the members and deposited CASH in your account ( paypal, stormpay etc ) monthly.

Upgraded memberships will be lifetime instead of yearly

Free members will be able to redeem for ads and upgrades only

Silver members will redeem for ads and upgrades and have 1 share

Gold members will redeem for ads and upgrades and have 2 shares

Founders members will redeem for ads and get 3 shares

On the last day of each month revenues for the month will be calculated and divided by the total ammount of shares, each member's share of the profits will be calculated and deposited on the first day of the following month if it exceeds $2, if not it will be carried over to the next month due to
high fees charged by online payment processors.

Earnings from clicking will now be redeemed for ads and upgrades only.


Amount revenue to be divided will be a direct reflection of member
activity and participation.



Perhaps some of you can have enough vision to see that a few dollars
each month is better than waiting months to get a larger one.

Link values will be 5c - 50c

Referral earnings increased to 50%, 5%, 5%, 5%, 5%


I know a lot of you are upset and have reason to be. But to share what
cash is coming in was the only solution I see. Its either try this or just
close. I have seen dozens of programs that have just disappeared and leave
you with nothing over these past couple months. I belong to a lot of programs
and click everyday like you, I have had my share of losses. I know the problems
we've faced for months about no ad sales are not unique to my programs. I
hear the same thing most everywhere else. I have put in for payout at a number of places months ago, half have just disappeared, in 7 months I have
recieved one payout. I watch my cash investments in 4 different auto surf programs disappear as the programs disappeared.


Any member who actually PAID CASH for an upgraded membership and does not feel
like their monthly ad benefits are worth the few dollars per month it equates to may request a refund. THis applies to CASH purchases only. Refunds will be
pro-rated from time of purchase minus the number of months advertising benefits
you already recieved. Once your purchase is refunded your account will be deleted. Upgrades that were redeemed for or those that were won in raffles
do not qualify for a cash refund as no cash was ever recieved.


I hope some of you will give it a chance. I never wanted it to turn out this way, but by trying to stick it out and find solutions I get plenty of
threatening and rude emails every day that I can really do without.Those of
you who choose not to stay sorry to see you go.

I think back over the past
year and all the changes that have occured. I have done hundreds of payouts,
some people said they got their first payout from me. Once people started
getting paid those members got behind the sites promotig them and BlueGold
went from around 800 members to 2000 in couple weeks, then 5000 within another
couple months then got up to 7000 before started cracking down on the inactives and cheaters. We seemed to be doing good but the influx of so
many new members all at once, the sales never increased to keep up with that
growth. In fact by January sales were decreasing and have decreased every month since. So payouts started backing up. That many coming in brought in more cheaters than I realised and let that get way out of hand before I realised what was going on. The cashflow changed completely

Someone over in India and who knows what other countries are promoting
these paid to read programs as "JOBS" which they are not.I am no ones EMPLOYER. I knew this was a growing problem back in Feb when a gentleman
from India emailed me at Route66 and said he was prepared to have 4000 people enroll within 24 hours and he would gradually upgrade these members wanting
a volume discount.

HMMMMMM MY HEART BLEEDS
Danorge
QUOTE
Well, she's done it again. This time I'm a little more annoyed - I haven't been advertising since Peggy started sendning out emails saying that she may switch to ads only @ route66. But

Did anyone get an email saying ProfitSharingConcepts was turning ads only as well?


I read about it some where here at the forum. some days ago.
searched to se if i could find the topic agian. sorry i could't wink.gif.
CASH_FLOW3
peggy is not to be trusted in any program that she has. If she can screw her members in a couple of her programs she will eventually screw everyone else too. I already quit all of her programs, and if peggy shows her face anywhere on this forum I'll give her a piece of my mind.
sarsons
Yeah - I'm dissapointed. Another $100 earnt never tio be seen.

Whats the point in redeeming for ads cos no-one will pay any attention to them - no-one can be bothered any more.

Oh well, just off to unsubscribe, and polietly tell her why.

getting angry doesn not solve any situation, nor does being rude.

People who are have lost the argument before they have started.
eden45
OMG I am so MAAAAD ... i never received any emails about either route66 or profit sharing concepts and i am out over 100 dollars as well ... i will never trust Peggy or any of her programs again and i hope that everyone will protest and quit all of her sites as i just did ... this is a travesty and i'm furious!!! I just spent over an hour at route66 clicking yesterday before i came here and found out it was all for nothing. There should be a law against this.
BRE300
mad.gif Yes i got it what about her other sites mad.gif
maxprohits101
Well Peggy I hope you enjoy my $47.11
Thanks for nothing!!!
vtuggle
I don't have any idea how the PTC industry works from the WM side. But it doesn't make sense to me that when you are having trouble paying the people who already earned money that you should send out tons of emails that will only bring more people to payout... more people to owe.

Of course you have to sell ads to make money, but if you aren't able to sell any ads, why are you sending out more emails worth money you don't have?? It would seem to me that it would be better to stop sending paid emails for a while (at least just barely enough to keep the members active).

Of course Peggy sent me an email some time ago when I wrote to ask her about payout and what the procedure was, etc. She promised me that she was going to pay everyone what they were owed, but that it might take a while.

Hmph.

marsha32
Since I am reading this I realize that I am still on vacation mode with her site....
I REALLY need the $50 that I cashed out for so I've been plugging along still clicking here and there until I got it.

I'm going in to check out what's going on....

Marsha
lissaleone
I wrote Peggy last week to mention that I'd read on this forum that she went to paying by ads only. I asked what that meant for those of us who have long awaited our cash payout and this was the reply:

QUOTE
I have credited your request back to your account. There have been no funds for payouts because we have had no paying advertisers. WE always have plenty of ads to send, member redemptions and upgraded members ads. For the entire month of June we had one $1.99 sale off ebay that pertained to PSC. Duruing the entire month of May we had 1 $20.00 sale, during the month of April 2 - $20.00 sales. There has not been enough income from sales to cover the
hosting. Sharing 75% of the income we can generate with the upgraded members is the only solution I can see. I have been in contact with dozens of members from this site over the past 3 months about the payout situation, warning if it did not get better it could come to this,but that has not chamnged the support from the members. The last 3 ad specials I ran not even one purchase. So now that we'll be able to sell ads for nothing maybe we'll start getting some sales. Yes I'm being crucified I know, for sticking around trying to find a solution, admitting it hasn't worked. Thats why everyone else that gets in this spot just closes up and disappears and leaves the members with absolutely nothing. I've watched my efforts ans earnings all disappear at an number of sites as well as losing over $400.00 CASH MONEY from auto surfs that disappeared. I know how it feels, that WHY I've tried to find a solution that could work. But its only going to work if the
members participate


I wrote back...

QUOTE
So now I'VE just lost over $50.00 CASH MONEY from you??? No. What you owe under the original TOS cannot just be wished away any more than a mortgage or car note can. Spending my earnings on advertising is NOT what was agreed when I joined. It's fine to change your TOS to be effective AFTER THE DATE OF CHANGE, but you can't just arbitrarily and retroactively amend the TOS that members signed up under. No, we're not employees, but we are effectively contract workers that you hired. You owe us what you agreed to pay.


And got this last reply...

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It has always stated that terms can be changed at any time, if members do not agree with the changes there only recourse is to dissolve their membership. No one is a contract worker or employee of any kind, that is also stated in the terms. Continuing to use the program after changeds are made signifies your agreement to the changes. I never hired anyone. These PTR programs are not jobs as more and more people are trying to treat them as. Everyone thinks they are going to make $1000's an never have to spend a penny to make, till someday they start realising thats why these programs are all falling into these problems. People want to make money from a program that depends on selling advertising to pay them but think they never have to support or do anything to give back and the program eventually crumbles because of it.


Plain and simple, she took our money. Maybe that was her goal all along? Isn't there SOMETHING that can be done?
vtuggle
lissaleone,

You were braver than I was. I wrote to her also, citing promises that she made to me that she would be paying her members "no matter what". She wrote me almost the exact same letter back that she wrote to you (the one that starts with "I have credited your request back to your account")

I did not bother to write back to her.

I went to her site to see about this upgrade possibility and I cannot even use my miserable $50 to get the upgrade and wait to see what happens next month. I will have to click like I mean it until I have reached $75 before I can get the upgrade that will allow me to "share in the profits" at all.

I am highly suspicious, of course, but I thought if the lowest membership was something I could get right now then I could skeptically stay a member long enough to see what happens.

mad.gif

This is the third problem site that I am going to have to quit for not paying. The first three sites that I reached payout with ALL failed.

Miserable.

Oh... and in reply to this section:

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People want to make money from a program that depends on selling advertising to pay them but think they never have to support or do anything to give back and the program eventually crumbles because of it.


Does she not realize that we WERE doing something to support and give back by the mere fact that we were clicking the ads that SHE was supposed to be selling? The failure here is not on the members who clicked their time away. The failure is on the woman who was sending worthless ads to her members. I don't believe that the TOS says that we are supposed to spend money to buy ads for the site that has not yet paid us. I believe that we are only supposed to click on the ads that she sends and thereby we are doing our part.

Two things that have always annoyed me about the ads that Peggy did send:

The ads that say, "Please wait 15 seconds to earn $.00" and you cannot even escape and go on to another ad to avoid spending 15 seconds waiting to earn nothing

and

the huge emails with lots of links - but most of them result in the screen that says, "You have already visited this sponser" so you have to close and go on to the next link and the next and so forth until you finally find the one that you have not already gone to. This drove me crazy back when I used to click every link in every email that she sent. Why not just send the one I hadn't already clicked and send the rest labelled, "Resends"

Okay. I am done for now.

missyroth
I agree with you, Veronica (is that your name?). Who ever said WE were the ones who were supposed to buy ads? All of the WMs who can't pay complain that the people who are reading emails aren't buying ads. That's not why we signed on; it wasn't our job to do. It says to get paid to READ ads not get paid to BUY ads.

Missy
spiritwolf66
QUOTE (cherinec5 @ Jul 7 2004, 02:10 PM)
i was just on the site and i had NO idea that she changed it over to a redeem only ad. i was soooooooooooo potty off!!! i didn't get an email or anything saying that it was going to change over. i was only about $8 away from payout too. i just went and deleted my account and on route66 too. i'm sick of that.

The same thing happened to me. I redeemed all my earnings, then received the admin about the changes the next day. I'm all set with that - I spend enough time clicking. mad.gif
vtuggle
QUOTE
I agree with you, Veronica (is that your name?). Who ever said WE were the ones who were supposed to buy ads? All of the WMs who can't pay complain that the people who are reading emails aren't buying ads. That's not why we signed on; it wasn't our job to do. It says to get paid to READ ads not get paid to BUY ads.

Missy


Yes, Veronica is my name, Missy. And I am glad that I am not the only voice around that notices this simple fact of ptr/c. If I wanted to get paid to buy things I would use one of those credit cards that gives you some cash back for your purchases! tongue.gif



delstu
QUOTE (vtuggle @ Jul 12 2004, 04:27 PM)
QUOTE
I agree with you, Veronica (is that your name?). Who ever said WE were the ones who were supposed to buy ads? All of the WMs who can't pay complain that the people who are reading emails aren't buying ads. That's not why we signed on; it wasn't our job to do. It says to get paid to READ ads not get paid to BUY ads.

Missy


Yes, Veronica is my name, Missy. And I am glad that I am not the only voice around that notices this simple fact of ptr/c. If I wanted to get paid to buy things I would use one of those credit cards that gives you some cash back for your purchases! tongue.gif

Yes, too many of these webmasters believe it is the members responsibility to buy advertising.
When are they going to wake up and realize it is the business owners responsibility to generate sales. Not one business could even survive by relying on employee's to purchase their product, PTR is no different, even without employee's.
bret77
I had just reached payout at profit and a few $s away at route66. I never got any letter about profit so I stuck with her, boy did she let me down hard. Since, I have redeemed for ads at both and have only seen the ones at profit. Its been over a week and my ads still not out at route66. Over a month ago I redeemed for ban imps, they never went out and that was before ads only. What good is a ads only site if they never send out the ads. I was a mem at 3 of her other sites and quit them all. Only used them for ads anyway thank god. Im hanging in at route66 to see if my ads go out. Peggy what a pitty. Your scripts bite anyway.
browneyes122565
QUOTE (bret77 @ Jul 14 2004, 10:34 PM)
I had just reached payout at profit and a few $s away at route66. I never got any letter about profit so I stuck with her, boy did she let me down hard. Since, I have redeemed for ads at both and have only seen the ones at profit. Its been over a week and my ads still not out at route66. Over a month ago I redeemed for ban imps, they never went out and that was before ads only. What good is a ads only site if they never send out the ads. I was a mem at 3 of her other sites and quit them all. Only used them for ads anyway thank god. Im hanging in at route66 to see if my ads go out. Peggy what a pitty. Your scripts bite anyway.

IMO, I think Peggy is not prepared for an ads only site. The reason why is because you need quite a few helpers to help you process those redemptions to make sure that those redemptions go out in a timely matter, especially if you have alot of members.

Just my thoughts.
maxprohits101
she seems to find plenty of time to send her search ads
which she keeps the money from
moneymagic
I have redeemed every day for the past 4 days and my ads have gone out promptly - the emails went out and the Paid-to-clicks were posted.

I don't feel anywhere near as negative about what she has done since she is giving the payday profit rewards with a $50 ad redemption.

Because of the size of my downline and her change in referral percentages - she went to 50% for first level - I am earning at a good clip. This will provide a substantial amount of advertising for me.

If she can pull off providing the PaydayProfit rewards and distribute the earnings from searches to upgraded members, this can still be a good program for me.

As she stated in one of her emails, upgraded membership is available by redemption, so anyone can participate in the distribution of earnings from the searches.

I had always found Peggy honorable - even though I had waited for payout for 5 months the last time I requested payout. Hopefully what her program has metamorphized into can be sustainable - because the other structure wasn't. But if it is sustainable, I think it can be good.
wiruscash
Peeg Yadom is the worst of the SCAMERS she is the real bit**
she deleted all polish (and others account's) with no any single word. She should be hang on the higher tree or atleast she shuld be treat on this forum as SCAMER mad.gif
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