1. Don't advertise you pay up to .05, if in my site test time limit all I am getting is .025 per e-mail. Because I am gone.
Solution, be honest. Post the numbers sent on your home page. Like .05 1 sent, .02 25 sent, .01 100 sent, .025 2000 sent. Plus put the last date you sent them. Like .05 1 sent 4/1/01
2. Post the last 30 days the amount of e-mails sent. If I am not getting enough e-mails, goodbye.
3. Post how many current pay-to-click banners/searches you have. Plus the average payout perclick. Don't rip off your members with CHEAP click rates.
Even with decent e-mails rates, I am gone.
4. Popups set them to appear after a member logs into your site or limit them to just one on the home page. When I can't sign in, and it happens more then once per login because multi popups keep stoping me from entering my login info I get disgusted and I am gone.
5. Don't load up your home page with banners. If I have to wait, beyond a reasonable time for a page to load. Well your wasting my time, I am gone.
Scatter those banners, spread them out on different pages.
6. Different sites have unquie scripts, a couple paid good but even with just a few banners it took a long time for the pages to load. Server, code? What
ever it was, to long. I quit both sites. You add up the extra minutes wasted per day, per month, per year; it builds up. Its my time, I not wasting it on slow sites. Fix the speed of loading if you want me to be a member.
7. Non paid e-mails. BS One your making money on them. You can darn well offer advertising points to members who read them by clicking on the link.
Send me to many of those with no paid links and BYE BYE.
8. Stagnating sites. Hardly ever see a e-mail. Paid to click area with nothing or just one banner. Don't waste my time. Wait until you get business before opening your site. I am gone.
9. Can't see stats, can't change vital statics, can't change e-mail address, for security(LOL) can't see earnings. Double BS, no reason for this if your a honest webmaster. Like people change isps, can't change your e-mail address. No logical reason for this. Not showing your earnings, hmmmm something stinks. Gone, and fast gone.
10. Offer a set rate like .01 and get .001. Don't know if its a script error or a set up. I always check my earnings to see if a site is giving proper credit. The .005 banners were paying .0005. BYE BYE
11. Conduct yourself (WM) professionally, non profesionally posts, e-mails. BYE BYE.

About changing the emailaddress,

on one of my sites users are not able to change the emailaddress, i contacted cac about this and it seems that their newer script, wich are the one click mailing scripts do not allow members to change their email.

WM that never reply no matter how many times you email them, if I have a problem and I do not get a reply -I try another email addy - if it still doesn't get me a reply -another addy, plus the contact on site too.

I've had this happen with too many programs which leads me to believe why should I keep clicking I am not going to get paid.

Here is another that chops me off - when you have a heap of points that you can't convert to cash. I SEEN so many emails from wm stating that the redeem for points is currently unavailable.

Some sites advertise they will convert points to cash at the end of each month and it never ever happens.

I like sites that just convert them for me and its done like clockwork.

Oh almost forgot - when you put in a redemption for an ad and it never gets redeemed no matter how many times you try and when you write the wm about it they never reply.

you have a good point there except I had one that I was very close to earning a 10 point ad to all and she converted points to cash for a lousy 36 cents and yes it ###### me off. I was close once before and she raised the value from 5000 points to 10,000 points...now I get close and she converted to cash...geeeeeeeze

Yes, I'm quite upset as well, I was going to convert my points for ads.. but without warning, the points were already redeemed for cash.

Shadowman, some of your gripes I feel are legit. Some however I don't believe are. Here is a response for each of your complaints.

1. An advertiser may pay me .5 cents per email and I send out as .25 cents because there are costs to run the site namely hosting fees which must be paid each month. Plus honestly every webmaster wants to make a profit. If a site does not make a profit usually the site is gone or worse it is still there and members take a long time to get paid. Plus personally I run my site as a business and since it is a job I like to keep a liitle of the profits after future payout for myself. It seems as if members think we run these sites for free. I know of some webmasters paying upwards of $100 per month to kepp their site running properly.

2. Posting the amount of emails sent every 30 days is a decent point but it may require script changes to the site and as for me I don't really think that is possible. You should keep a record as it seems that you have been doing. I left a number of sites myself that rarely sent out emails.

3. Click rates are always dependent on the amount the advertiser pays for the click rate. Again this refers to #1 about the profit margin.

4. More than one popup is bad--I completely agree with you

5. I have a very fast connection I have no problem with other sites loading a bunch of banners but I understand many people have slow connections and for this reason I agree with you.

6. This is a contnuation of #5 slow connections = Higher bandwith that the webmaster must pay for. higher bandwidth = more hosting fees = less profit = higher advertising costs = less advertisers = less paid emails = members quitting. Its a vicious circle and it is difficult for webmasters to keep this balanced sometimes.

7. i personnaly don't run non-paid emails My non-paid emails are actually point emails which get converted to cash, but I must disagree with you here. If a site has 10,000 members and the site will charge me $5 to run an ad to all 10,000 or $5 for a paid email to 500 I want to decide as an advertiser if I think I will get more response from one or the other. This also allows the webmaster to get extra money to higher bandwith fees if he needs them. Not every dime we make has to go to the members.

8. Stagnating sites--I agree with you somewhat but some webmasters are busy trying to change things so much for the members that they don't get as many emails out as they like to or can't solicit for as many ad sales. Catch-22

9. I agree with you on this

10. I agree with you on this but give the webmaster a chance to correct. Scripts aren't perfect all the time.

11. Complete agreement.

Just remember a lot of us are trying very hard to please all the thousands of members of our sites and that is impossible. Some of us get very fustrated at the members for what we consider unjust greivances. But the site owners and members must keep in mind that in the end its not really about either of us it is about the ads themselves. It is the ad that gets everyone money. I have never heard one complaint about the ad itself and why? Beacause it pays the bills and put a little extra dough into our pockets.

Thanks for listening

I can see your point of points being redeemed to cash when you want to use them for ads. I think we should have a choice then. So a redeem points for cash button like some sites do.

Yes I agree. I quit one site because the cash value of like 150 points was around .008. True they may be just getting points to place ads from members, no cash. An it is a great site to earn advertising but my cash earn was under .30, I go for cash not ads. Others love the ads. To each their own.
I just wish they would have it on their (and other such sites) homepage that their more points for ad rewards than cash for cashout site. It would save both of us some time.

WM should allow members to pick which one their going for. Have it in vital statics that your going for points or cash. Not do it on their own whim which can really mess up a member goals.

Each wm has to decide what their going to charge for ads. If volume is low, and your only sending out a few ads at .025 well I see a long, long time before I can cash out. I have zero knowledge if you send lots of paid e-mails or very few. So please don't be offended by my stating my selection standards. Take linkburst. I tried it an very surprised, in about 3 days over .30. High volume makes up for low profit ratio. Their are plenty of sites that send out minimum of .005 or .01 per e-mail. Sure you have to make a profit. Have you tried selling ads that pay members higher rates? An more profit for you?
You misunderstand, if I come to your home page and you have on it you pay up to .05 per e-mail. I would like to know what cash values of amounts you send, how many, and the last date of sending. This will greatly help me decide to join or not. If you sent out tons of .002 mails in a month I most likely would join. Why take a month, I give 72 hours. Enough time to get a few e-mails and to check out the paid to click. A fast rough estimate of potential.
Your click rate statement. Well somebody, perhaps WM are getting rip off. Because in some sites I get anywhere from .01 to .005 for clicking the same banners that other sites pay only .002 or less. So either the site owner is accepting ads to cheap, get rip off by the advertiser, or keeping high levels of profit and paying members very little.
On number 7 I thought I said they should at least get advertising points for reading non paid e-mails. Even if you pay one point per nonpaid ad per click on its link it would most likely make some members happy. Happy members stay.
The above is just my thoughts, not attacking you, just stating my different thinking on your posted thoughts.

WHOOO!! Missed this one, so true.

Yeah, I agree w/ ya.

Hey Shadowman

I know you are not attacking me. You have made some very good points, but the whole point at paid to read site is

1)so advertisers can send ads very cheaply
2)then its about the members
3)then the webmaster should make a profit

In that order

The main customer is not the member but the advertisers. I must treat it that way because the advertiser pays the members in reality not the webmaster. Just remember that, However if you click on a link that you do not get paid for and do not get paid for it I see it as the advertiser getting "ripped off" by the webmaster not the member. To rectify the situation with the advertiser then the member must get paid. In a direct sense a member can't get ripped off if he never paid anything into the program. I hope I am clear, sometimes my brain does not work properly while I am typing. You have very good ideas and if you have more keep posting. I like what you said. Do you own a site?

I am debating about starting up some sites. If I do it would be around 3 to 6.
One rule lol I have is never take money out of savings unless lol kids need it.
Only way to get a savings, stocks, bonds and so on. At least for me.
I will in a around 60 days be receiving about 7 grand. I have to decide rather or not to do ptrs or use it as a down payment on two very large buildings used for storage.
The books show 16 (or 15 lol) people storing cars and boats for the winter.
All customers have been yearly ones. The charge is $150 a month with the average storage time around 6 months. A nice steady income. With low expenses except for property taxes. An very little negitive customer feed back. So like I said haven't decided. If I do I will have to employ a script expert to create the site and script ideas I have to promote lock in viewing of selected pages of a customers sites. With different reward ideas. No 20 seconds and your done. Perhaps as long as two minutes but with higher payouts. Depending on the volume of advertising. In the begining it would have to be heavy in points for advertising. Later, converting to cash payouts. So in one hand a possible bust, in another a established business.

woohoohoo score one for the shadowman....maybe if I could make my points as eloquently (big word for a blonde) as he does maybe I wouldn't get in so many fights

HMMM No more beer for that cute blond. Bring on the torpedos. Its a old an how to get bomb fast drink from the service.
Put one shot of tetela (icky spelling), one shot of voka, and fill to the rim of highball glass. The most horrible tasting drink I know.

Hmmmm.... glad I read this thread. Lots of good ideas here, some I agree with and some I don't. But...

I have 2 sites where members can choose to have points redeemed for cash OR advertising. Then I have 2 more that I planned to have points strictly converted to cash. I see now that may be the wrong choice. So... thanks for helping me make a decision. Points for cash or advertising it is.

Have you considered having two categories of points mails. One that pays little or no cash because the e-mail or click banner was bought by a members points. The other points, say lol cash points the value determind by revenue minus expenses( an WM profit). One site somewhere stated their points could be converted either for one cent for advertising or .005 real cash. Thought that was a nice idea.

What I REALLY REALLY want is....

I want to know who is in my 1st level.

At some sites, like Automatic-cash...you see instantly who joins up because of the 1 cent bonus.

Why can't an automated email be sent, to their referrer, when someone quits or is deleted from the program.

Perhaps there is another way to do this but since I don't know this script stuff, I'm clueless.

(Shelly make it a wet t-shirt jello fight and I'm sure the guys won't mind you fightin')

Very good idea... I might just try that on one site and if it works out ok then we have a winner.

Sounds like you were a breast fed baby.

Nope, I was in the era when Dr Spock said it was a bad thing....

that and I have a mother without maternal instincts.

I just thought it would give better control to members over cheaters.
Also thay way a memebr could reward their downline for being active. Which would benefit the WM also.


(just like a man to bring up breasts, roflmao)

well, problems i have had in the past:

sign up, and never get a paid email from them. plenty of "buy advertising with us" and non-paid mail, but no paid emails. if i wanted to join an opt-in mailing list, i would have done that, not joined a get PAID to read email

not replying. i won't say who this program owner is (although many have had similar problems), but it took over a month to get a problem fixed on my account with them, after having to threaten to come to the boards and start yelling scam, and then it got "fixed" without an email back to me. i've still never heard from this particular webmaster (ps: BIG cudos to jeannie of texas2bits who not only answers her emails, but EXTREMELY fast)

not making any cash, just points, with no cash value to points. i won't mention the place as i'm waiting to hear back from support still, but, one site i belong to has a .25 cent (that's one quarter of a cent) paid link on the ptc page, and the rest are points. all their emails recently have been points. got one today (came sometime within a 4 hour window that i hadn't checked my email) that had 1 paid link, and 2 point links. the paid link was already expired. it wouldn't be so bad if there was a cash out option on points. personally, i think any site that has points should have some sort of option, be it 1 pt equals 1 cent of buying advertising or 1/2 cent of cash, or 1 to 1, or whateva

bottom line is i'm a very greedy (and unfortunetly broke) person. i'm in this to make money, not to make points that can't be used for anything but advertisement. if i wanted to do that, i'd just use a traffic exchange

my half a cent. i'd throw in the full two, but as i said, i'm broke lol

Well in my defense, you suggested a wet shirt to shelly. But your right I should of known, a guy would of told her to jump up and down.
Could be dangerous, if big enough could pop a eye out. Were protective eye wear shelly.

Me too - NOT HAVING ANY 1st level NAMES LISTED bugs me. At one of my progs. my ref. names and emails are listed. I email them to keep them interested and to give them a confidence boost here and there. Of course I always give them the option of not receiving anymore emails from me.

I think its good if you can stay in touch with a referral. I have even contacted my upline a few times to ask them questions. If this were available more often the members could help one another out if they are unsure of something - I never have a prob. lending a hand - they had enough faith to sign under me I can at least do that for them.

I can see though how this could lead to some probs. ex: spam

hmmmmm nobody told me I was supposed to wear clothes to this party

[quote=shadowman,Dec 6 2002, 07:32 PM]


(just like a man to bring up breasts, roflmao) [/QUOTE]
Well in my defense, you suggested a wet shirt to shelly. But your right I should of known, a guy would of told her to jump up and down.
Could be dangerous, if big enough could pop a eye out. Were protective eye wear shelly. [/quote]
shadowman have you been peeking in my window again????? :ph34r:

Not my way!!! We do have a member who likes leather and whips( according to a past post ) it may of been him.

Gee driden.. thanks

btw... hope you haven't written in lately cuz I can't get outta this silly forum long enough to get to my emails... lol