Ok in the last two weeks I have deleted my account with about 36 ptrs.

1. Don't open up your site for signups if you haven't yet established some prearranged paid advertising for your members.
a. Most people expect paid e-mails, if you don't have them their going to leave.
b. Don't expect to fiance your site costs just from member generated revenue. At least have the minimim of one years hosting expenses and other cost saved up to get your business off and runing.
2. By following b your not going to get over greedy and have in your paid to click section unbelievable cheap payout for your members to click. One site had a good deal of banners and search engines to do. The members share of the profit for doing the clicks was .002 for each and every one of them.
On the average most search engines pay between 25% up to 50% of revenue earned by members clicks in payment to the WM of the site. Lets face it .002 for all or the majority and its delete the account.
3. Smart mouth comments given after deleting ones account. One site posted you are the weak link goodbye. Like LOL blaime others for leaving a site poorly run.
4. Answer your e-mails sent to you by a member. This not answering can create enough of negitive feelings to cost you members. Don't give the excuse your to busy. Like your the only one who has a busy life.
5. Have a way to delete your account, to change your vital statics, and to be able to view your earnings. Some didn't for all or some of these. When a member sends you a cancel membership, do it and reply. Otherwise your paid e-mails are spamed. Myself I just forward them back to the sender.

6. YES INDEED!!! Quote taken from kglaser.
In light of Richard Crowder's disgraceful and shocking performance which has now been brought to light, I think we'd better add one more thing to this list:

DON'T TAKE YOUR MEMBERS' MONEY AND RUN AWAY LIKE A DISHONEST GUTLESS COWARD.

Sorry, but this whole thing really upsets me.

Anyone else got any comments concerning what WM should and shouldn't do.

You make sense......however only one little issue I have..They can easily unsubscribe themselves....It they just email the webmaster..how can we be sure its them..

Now would love it if you could right one for:

How to be a good member

Oh thats easy jazmyni.....Take a lot of crap...click every link......do searches for peanuts.....never expect payment.....and for gawds sake never never complain or ask a question...and my personal favorite.....we don't like your email address..change it....then lose your account for changing it

better add - delete your account then have it magically reappear when the data has to be backed up - SEVERAL times... finally give up in disgust and set your email filters to funnel the email straight to the trash...

I dont treat my members like that......I try to pay fair for any searches...send out lots of paid mail, Have paid many members...and many on early Suprise cash out....I try to repond to questions as quick as possible.....and dont tell people to change their email address...but do warn them some of them arent the best.....and the only complaints I dont like are....Just being jerks ones...Like..."Learn how to spell...what are u in grade one"....or when I took ONLY 2 Days off for personal reasons....A few nasty emails bacially saying how dare I

I was responding to your comment and not to your program jazmyni since I don't know which one it is....
I was generalizing my personal experience with several webmasters which will remain nameless

I never took it as a personal attack...

I was just stating what I try to do as a webmaster thats all

Yeah, and dont forget deleting people for having numberous accounts, or if they only click once every six months. I too try to be as fair as possible with my members, but no matter what is done, someone isnt happy. Your a good owner Jazmyni so dont worry. Those nasty emails may keep coming, but theres more compliments than complaints so your doing something right.

That's one of the zillion reasons I would never want to run a PTR...I am far too sensitive. One nasty e.mail and I would be in tears. I'm much too thin-skinned.

My thoughts are if anyone puts a paid program site on the web they want to make it and be profitable.
To have the attitude of well if you don't like it unsubscribe leads to poor business thinking. Feed back, even negitive is important. If your not sure that
a comment is true and is costing you members, which means lost profit for you then send out a mass e-mail asking for feedback from your members.
Especially on what they DISLIKE about your program, so you can correct it and keep your members.
Or just send one out asking for what they dislike, any changes they would like. If you got 1000 members and 500 say they will not click for .002 but will click for more, you have to consider higher volume of clicks made on a lower margin profit percentage makes more net profit for you then the former rate with less membership participation.

I might get flamed for this one, but it is a peeve with me and the GPTR industry......

I think that a WM should be limited to the number of searches that are sent in a day no matter if it's a member's search or not. I am finding more "good" programs that weren't doing this before are doing it now! I'm tired of searching!!! If this is the only way a program can gain revenue, then you shouldn't have the program to begin with!

And I am tired of getting emails from WM's ###### the members out for not having good search results! Hey! Did you ever think that the search wasn't working properly?? Did you ever think you hit your quota already and no matter what a member tried to search it came up as a "link error"? I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna sit all night and try to pull words outta my ###### just so you can get paid if that's the tone you're gonna take with your members!!

Remember, it's the members that make or break your company!!!

.............runs out of the thread to change into a flame retardent suit.

RIGHT ON KensLuv! It had to be said!!!

Myself if I get paid enough I don't mind searches. I got a 7 cent search the other day from real paid e-mail. I figured what the heck, and did a total of three searches instead of one. The pay was worth it.
To many people click the same keywords daily. So much is sold online just start in your kitchen. Like cheese,oil, galic, light bulbs, and so on. depending on the search engine(some show the cash value) you be surprise the amount collected by the percentage of payout given to the WM. With unquie searches bring less complaints by the search engines that pay the WM which pays you. I do agree to many WM are taking far to much profit from your searches. Many of the search engines pay out very good rates.
But in these searches I notice more WM are saying if your willing to do a search click, if not don't click. If you don't want to search then don't. Myself with a fair payout, I'll search.

The thing is......

Every place you go to it's nothing but searches if you want to make any points or money! Look at The Money Suite. That place used to be a great place to go and look at people's sites, but now you have to make a search to get any points of great value. At Josh's Paid links.....about 95% of the links there are searches! I was really surprised when I started getting searches from Moker Cash! This is probably my favorite program! Tasia's is mostly searches!

I like the fact that you have a choice on whether you want to search or not, but there are some programs that don't give you that option.

Well searches are a way that both WM and members can earn. I can only estmate how many sites I have quit because they didn't meet my standards.
(about 200) If force searches are a major pain to you then why not quit and find another program that makes you happy? If your close to payout then I would hang in their until you got your check. Remember the only person making you do searches is yourself. Have you tried contacting the WM, letting him/her know that you don't want to do searches but still wish to be a member. The WM might wave force searches rather then lose you as a member.

OK, look.....

You're not going to turn this around and tell me that it's my fault, that I'm not a "player" in this game, because I am. I do searches when I feel like it!

I'll bet that if I would go to every one of my programs and change the option to not get searches, my emails would dwindle away to nothing!!!

The real meaning of my 1st post was to say, if a WM relies only on searches as revenue, then they shouldn't have a program!

End of my discussion!

Oh yeah, and don't forget WM sending out emails about advertisers not being happy about results on paid2signup offers. They should realize that most people may already be members of the programs, or may just not be interested. And just because they advertise those offers does not automatically mean they're gonna get the results they want. So if an advertiser isn't happy, that's they're little red wagon.....just don't try to make it sound like it's the members' fault. Jeesh........

Rock On

Keep On Rockin'

Yeah what's Up with Sh*t

LMAO @ Jay!

Glad to know that a WM/Owner agrees.

i'm looking at a sort of different opinion now regarding searches, lol

i search for people, and i get searched for. if it is for a pitiful amount, then i won't. i have found that i'm making more off searches than anything else (whether i get paid is a different story!! lol)

if it's a members search, then you shouldn't feel obligated - they pay for the ad, and the results they get are the results they get.

BUT if it's a webmasters ad, then you shouldn't feel obligated, and the webmaster shouldn't blame anyone either. HOWEVER, if they ask not to click on the link if you don't intend to search, then i think a member shouldn't!!

I don't do that. Like I said, if I feel like searching, I do.

I tried the "searching" thang a while ago. I set up a site with a search engine on it, and you know what? Nobody did any searches!!! All they wanted was the points! Talk about greedy! Maybe this explains my aversion to searches!

Another thing that gripes me about program owners and searches.....

Don't send me a link without telling me it's a search! (just had this happen) Then it makes me obligated to do a search! I, for one, am not a cheater but I think a lot of program owners feed on that and slip in a link or 2 without saying anything.

I don't mind if, when I join up to the program, that it's mostly searchs.
ie Cosmic and CashRoad
However, I agree with Ken, a lot of previously good sites are now sending out mostly searches.
With all the new rules about having to click x amount or get deleted or x amount to get paid what your referral clicks, it drives me nuts. I like when it's stated click if you WANT.

I think a good mix of searches and regular ads is how Mythical does it. Never one without the other.

I'd also feel too guilty to click and then not search. It has happened...but it was unintentional.

One point of Shadowman's that I'd like to reiterate...

Find outside advertising. Don't depend on just members looking for sign-ups.

I think rule #1 for members when contacting webmasters should be:

Use "please" and "thank you". Even if your communication is a complaint. Not only is it the polite way to communicate with someone, it will also get your a much more polite response!

There is one other point I want to make. A lot of people that post here and that are members are using English as a 2nd language. Some are fluent, others are not. Sometimes, I think that they are not being rude but that they are just very limited in their language skills.

"why me no get money" might be the limit of their English.
(still no excuse for no please and thank you tho)

I can only imagine how hard it is to be a WM...I think most of you do a great job! Thanks!

AMEN!
I hate it when that happens!

HUH?

You state that your unhappy about force searches. I stated no one can force you to do a search. If your unhappy with a site that forces you to search, then quit them. Simple solution


"Turn that around"
"Your the one "
"spinning"

The potental of PTR hasn't even been tap, at least the sites I joined, and most of them I quited. They depended on other paid programs or members referal advertising. Like 95.99% of all their paid ads seem to come from those sorces. A few from casinos and get rich schemes/games/mlm.
Their are countless business advertising on the web. Wondering why some WM doesn't try contacting them concerning selling them on buying advertising from them. Every thing from isps to fast photo service, from spices to art canvas. Business are paying for advertising, large like Sears, small to your local parts supplier. Will you be turn down, sure lots of times but if you do it often enough your going to rack up a lot of paying advertisers.
Its stats, a certain percentage of people will buy from a ad, depending on the type. If you got a membership 1000 or up and correspond yourself well to them you should be able to make some sales.

Hi shadowman ,

I have ( and I'm sure I'm not alone in having doing so ) contacted some of the "like" sites that you mention . Most do not consider incentive email advertising quality advertising .

Besides that , to be flat honest , (speaking for myself as to not step on anyones toes ) incentive earners take the click an run . Very very rarely do I purchase products , other than gold's and ads , from gpt's .

exactly many advertisers don't know there are other methods of advertising then paid per click search engines

( corporate advertisers )

I suggest that more GPTR webmasters visit like the people ( sites) at overture and 7 search and call those 800 #'s or use their contact forms

and offer their services to those sites it works it's a ruff road and you get a lot of NO's but hey it buids contacts and if you contact 200 places in 1 day

and make 2 sales that's 2 people comming back and back again

I have a whole folder of sites on monthly reoccuring billing for advertising

I have never ever sent a search only mail and I never will ( knock & wood )

I just recently added search links as bonus links at the bottom of every email

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My advise to other webmasters don't be afraid to knock on door and if they tell you NO oh well there is 900 other million places to ask and you will get some high quality advertisers with out offering a bargain at all

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Another tip I cringe everytime I see a site sayin' Cheap link

I sure wouldn't want a link of my called cheap use the word


BARGAIN !!!

it's much more Professional and paints a better metal picture to your readers

then cheap

Thats why there are successful ptre and non successful. Its a business and you have to treat it like one. Be resourceful!!! I think the problem is that many webmasters have possibly never owned a business and do not know how to network their gptre companies. Webmasters are not the only ones gee... their are a heep of failing businesses out there in the real world due to lack of experience, training, knowledge, good business plans...

As for the comments about new ptre's opening and sending 0 - little ads - I totally agree. We bust our butts when a new program launches trying to get referrals and then diddly happens. It"s also embarassing if you have gotten personal friends to join. Aperson can only do so many ptc before they say what the frig is wrong with me.

About searches:

I have an ISP that limits the amount of searches I can do per day on sites like SearchTimes, 3000 search, ESA, and some others.

When the advertiser identifies the search engine with the link, then I can discern whether I can do that search. If I've reached my limit, I'll skip the link so that the advertiser won't get an invalid search.

It would be helpful if all webmasters and advertisers would identify their search engine with their links.

In light of Richard Crowder's disgraceful and shocking performance which has now been brought to light, I think we'd better add one more thing to this list:

DON'T TAKE YOUR MEMBERS' MONEY AND RUN AWAY LIKE A DISHONEST GUTLESS COWARD.

Sorry, but this whole thing really upsets me.

Seems you contacted the wrong ones. Never said it be easy but it can be done. Do you remeber point click? Color stamps, when they first started? An others that quit when the rates fell. Good money was made.
Their are ways to insure members read the ads, at least lol search through different pages for a much higher payout then normal. Like hiding small sums in the ads, from 1/10 of a cent to random bonus of say .10 besides the .01 for reading the ad. Create a option for those members who don't want to do this to be excluded. Most will, especially when they start hearing from others who keep finding odd amounts of cash. Plus you can also scatter points for free advertising. Creating real viewing of pages. Even sending online coupons(or snail mail) for oil changes, fast foods,cosmetics, and so on. With your code number on it giving you credit for it.
If your site isn't big enough to attract them, then consider joining with other sites in a limited partnership to attract more advertisers. One WM speaking for say 20 sites with like a combine membership having thousands of members is going to have more potential getting business. If the profit isn't enough for all the sites at first, share on a rotation system. Give points for the rest until its their turn to make cash.
Your only going to change their minds by changing how ptrs are run. Just click and no proof of reading doesn't do it for many of the companies now.
But the potential is their. All one can do is strike out. But with orginal ideas you can get a grand slam.

once agin showdowman has hit the nail on the head I insert different payout amount bonus and random links in ( all most all mails )

and since I started doing it my CTR went up 20 + % in the last 90 days