Rob
May 10 2002, 04:03 AM
The quote is fairly self-explanatory, but is important for all concerned...
All the TombMailer cheap links are going for good!!
quote:
* No More Cheap links
* No More .25 LInks
* No more search Links
* Advertising Rates here http://TombMailer.com/pe/page.php?p=getad&r=
anything else i'll be at Tournament Games
Ok now let's all jump up and down and be happy today! I know some will be
disappointed.....
lgwong
May 10 2002, 04:35 AM
This is old news. Check out what is happening in the Tombmailer support folder. They are probably sending it again!
Rob
May 10 2002, 04:54 AM
Oops - my mistake!!
TombMailer may be re-introducing the cheap links back, if the poll stays the same way.
Rob
mismisty
May 10 2002, 05:29 AM
Keep the cheaplinks!!!
You do an awesome job!!
Keep it up!!
CintiRedHead
May 10 2002, 08:50 AM
KEEP the Cheap Links! I cannot find the poll to say I want them to stay! They are better than Paid-to-Search(es)!!
kglaser
May 10 2002, 09:34 AM
I totally agree with Cinti...paid searches are just about the worst thing ever!!!
Rob
May 10 2002, 07:27 PM
Why do you guys like the cheap links?
0.03 cents?
That's 3 one hundredths of a cent?!
thasith
May 10 2002, 07:43 PM
well since you guys loved cheap links, you guys are cheap
just joking!
paid searchs are even better than cheap links because they don't ruin paid2read business and the paid searchs mostly worth more than cheap links
oranhir
May 10 2002, 08:16 PM
I agree so much with thasith... the cheap links are just ruining the p2r. Most of the people want the cheap links and thats too bad... well, at least tombmailer raised the cheap links to 0.3 cents instead of 0.003 cents.
kglaser
May 11 2002, 01:59 AM
Maybe it doesn't make much sense from a monetary standpoint to like the cheap links better than the paid searches, and I WILL do the paid searches, but I just don't like 'em. They bore me to tears and part of the time it's a joke anyway, since no matter what search term you enter you just get the same list over and over. Plus they take longer. The worst, I can't remember what company does this, is when they make you click on AT LEAST 4-7 of the top results and stay on each page for 30s. Ugh!
astrangemix
May 11 2002, 05:18 AM
When you get to the results page try holding down the shift key as you click on each link. This way you should be able to open all the windows at once instead of 1 at a time.
alpay
May 28 2002, 04:06 AM
Hi,
Can someone tell me what paid searches and cheap-links are? I'm not a member of tombailer I am interested to know what this means?
Thanks much
3a3
May 28 2002, 04:49 PM
cheap link is the one that you visit and get paid $0.000000..001 for that a paid search is the same, but you have to do a search in a search engine and click the results ..
hope this helped ..
tipsy
May 28 2002, 10:54 PM
I think cheap links are good for ptrp. They give people a cheap way of advertising their site which is good for us poor people plus they also give us something to click. So what how much it's still money.... pieces of pennies ad up to a penny no matter what and if you had a lot of people getting cheap links in one email that adds up...
Positive_thougths
May 28 2002, 11:39 PM
I do hope tombmailer will stop with the searches (and cheap links) as promised I will be back than. (If I am aware of it i.e.)
When I listen to this, with all those cheap links, I can't say I am sorry that I am not a member anymore, no offense please but it just ruins the GPTRE business (in my humble opinion).
Pos
3a3
May 29 2002, 12:55 AM
quote:
Originally posted by tipsy:
I think cheap links are good for ptrp. They give people a cheap way of advertising their site which is good for us poor people plus they also give us something to click. So what how much it's still money.... pieces of pennies ad up to a penny no matter what and if you had a lot of people getting cheap links in one email that adds up...
If you want just to click .. then go to some traffic exchange .. and click for credits .. if you think that it's worth to click for $0.00000..01, just because you can click .. then .. sorry, but you're a bit dumb and if you're so poor that you have to click for $0.000..001 then I wonder, how do you pay for your internet connection ..
(sorry, no offence is meant by this post)
I agree to those, who cancel their accounts just because of the cheap links .. actually I think that it can be considered as a SPAM ..
I guess Tombmailer is not the one ho's the worst .. .. In my opinion the worst of the CAC's is EmailsForCash .. why? Because all the links are worth only $0.002 .. no matter what kind of link is it .. the price is the same .. or even less .. dunno, but I think that's unfair to members.
sophieca
May 29 2002, 03:01 AM
If cheap links exist, why would advertisers still pay for normal links ?
Before we'll know it, cheap links will be the standard ones and no good old 1 cent links anymore......
Maybe we'll have cash-out thru Paypal at 10 cents then.....average member will reach it after 9-10 month and be very happy !
Only my 2 cents !
Sophie
Brenda@PJ
May 29 2002, 03:40 PM
GET OFF RHEA'S BACK, EVERYONE!
And she does NOT pay in the thousandths of a penny!!
For PETE'S SAKES!
You know who I FIRST saw with the equivalent of a cheap link??? McCraw Mail!
RHEA DIDN'T INVENT THEM, FOLKS, QUIT PISSING AND MOANING AND GET SOMETHING REAL TO BLAME FOR THE PROBLEMS IN PTRE...
Such as.... hackers, members who don't actually READ the ads or stay at the sites, the joke that paid search engines REALLY are, webmasters who can't plan financially and offer ads for such ridiculously low rates that they are never going to pay their members, cookie-cutter websites (of which mine is one), programs that purportedly pay out at $500 but don't send enough links to ever get there... programs that just fade away... a lack of a variety of things to advertise to such a limited group - and DON'T tell me your average Joe rushes home to do PTRE. Right.
There are SO many other things wrong with ptre besides Rhea's cheap links (which, as I mentioned, were NOT FIRST) and my bad jokes.
I swear, thasith and 3a3, you people are very intelligent but like terriers with a darn bone on this topic!
3a3
May 29 2002, 10:19 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Brenda@PJ:
I swear, thasith and 3a3, you people are very intelligent but like terriers with a darn bone on this topic!
I guess you have read my posts before .. and you should have noticed, that I've said multiple times, that this topic WAS NOT STARTED IN THE RIGHT PLACE, because TOMBMAILER IS NOT THE ONE THAT IS GUILTY, actually Tombmailer is one of the best CAC sites out there. This topic Was started by Rhea, coz she noticed that I've posted the thing about the cheap links somewhere on the forum .. and then sent out an e-mail laughing about what I said .. so .. what could I do .. I know that I'm right .. and this is the way I stand for my opinion... so sorry, but no offence .. and as I've said above .. Tombmailer is NOT the one that should think about it, coz it's ok with tombmailer ..
At the moment I'm really ###### off by Emails For Cash - there are no paid links that are worth more than $0.002 is it normal? I guess not! .. and these are normal links .. there are also 'cheap links', that are worth nothing .. dunno, why is this CAC still alive ..
Chris Houlihan
May 29 2002, 10:36 PM
Here's my opinion:
Programs like EmailsForCash that only send out $0.0002 emails are just bad programs so they have nothing to defend themselves with, but as far a cheap links/mini paid links as long as they are sent inside of a normal paid email, that is fine, because there is NOTHING forcing you to click cheap links, and it says it in tombmailers emails. So if a person doesn't like clicking on 0.002 cent links, then just don't join/unsubscribe from places that only send them and don't click cheap links (BUT DO CLICK ON REGULAR EMAILS )
As far a Sophie's comment goes:
This is because cheap links arent as effective as normal ads because they dont have the opportunity to put in an ad...
So it brings the value way down.
tipsy
May 29 2002, 11:07 PM
Just about every single ptrp I'm with uses cheap links. I don't understand the bad concept of it. You still get regular paid link and then cheap links regardless of how much they still add up. Plus it gives people with limited funds a nice way to advertise without having to come up wtih twenty on up for advertising. Plus it only takes a minute to click....
tipsy
May 29 2002, 11:22 PM
quote:
then .. sorry, but you're a bit dumb
quote:
I appreciate your opionion on the subject but I don't think you ought to be calling names simply because you disagree... Everyone has their opinion and that's fine I understand that some people to don't want to make less than a penny but everyone has their opinion and I really don't think that's it's fair to call people names simply because you disagree... and about being poor I was simply saying that people can still advertise without having to spend 50-100 and make a better profit. I did a cheap link one time on pj and paid 1.00 to do it and got 4 referrals and since I got paid immediately for the referrals at 1.34 a piece I made a nice profit now think if I had paid 20-40 for the same ad.
thasith
May 29 2002, 11:51 PM
wow, brenda is rhea's body guard??
I am against cheap link but DID I or 3a3 or anyone else ever say that tombmailer IS BAD??
and to tipsy, I agree
( 3a3, better revise your text before posting it )
thasith
May 29 2002, 11:55 PM
quote:
I swear, thasith and 3a3, you people are very intelligent but like terriers with a darn bone on this topic!
well, seems like you and rhea are the twin sister - -'' or same person - -''.
Swear swear swear, why don't you climb up the mountain and swear??
tipsy
May 30 2002, 12:46 AM
Thanks T. for the approval... I appreciate that... As for your post I don't think brenda was really saying ya'll persay (i know that isn't spelled right) said Rhea was bad I think it's just all the publicity that the cheap links have gotten on Tombmailer. I think if Rhea had not ever posted a poll and asked her members opinions then we wouldn't be talking about cheap links. Cause like I said in a different just about all the ptrp are using cheap links. I don't know who started it but it seems Rhea is getting all the talk about it because she brought the poll up which I thought was good cause it gave the members a say in it unfortunately for the opposing because they got beat by the for. But at least she tried but then that started a monsoon (ok not very good at spelling lol) of posts regarding it and some I read weren't very nice about it. I just want everybody to be nice But I think that's what brenda was talking about was just the fact that there is so many posts about the subject. Plus she probably figured she needed to speak for Rhea since she isn't here to speak or talk on the subject.. If I'm wrong Brenda forgive me... Thanks T again for the agreeance I think everyone has a right to their opinion and this is the place for that just as long as everyone's nice!!!
sophieca
May 30 2002, 04:18 AM
To Chris
I don't think that not putting an ad does drop the value of your link that much.
I seldomly read the ads, too long often, or it's something I've seen 1000 times or I don't take the time to read what is a copy/paste of the front page I am going to open anyway.
The ads just make me search longer for the links to click on !
The cheap links are really nice to use, it's a surprise, you don't know what will open, they are gently under eachother, click, click, clikc and done after than you can just watch them opening, no need to scroll up and down to find where they are....
I tend to click on them because it's soooo easy even if I really think that economically it'll kill the business but if the cheap ads are what webmasters and members like.....so be it, I guess that after a while we'll hear both whining, why don't advertisers buy normal ads anymore and why do webmasters not send normal ads anymore.....
And even if the cheap links are less valuable because the lack of ad, there are so many GPTREM around that people will prefer to send 10 cheap links in 10 different GPTREM rather than one usual in one single GPTREM for the same price.
So they'll diversify their risk.
Anyway if the trends is to have cheap links, I suppose I'll settle by it and buy some myself once in a while, why would I think of investing in real 1 cents minimum ads if I don't think the difference in return justifies the difference in price ?
Until only cheap ads will be bought and sold :-(
Only my opinion and nothing personal against any webmaster or anybody using them.....different people, different opinions, that is what makes it interesting !
Sophie
tipsy
May 30 2002, 04:36 AM
To Sophieca
I agree with you... I think it's cool and quick to click on them. And in the process I get a few extra pieces of a cent then okay. I too get tired of the drawn out advertisement on the page and then have to search for the link to click when i will find out what they are advertising when I click it and I will check out everything before I sign up with someone's advertisement anyway. It's irritating to read the ads sometimes because then you click on the ad and find out the low minimum payment that they spoke of is like 100-500.00.. lol I don't call that low but I understand they figure that they got to make it sound good otherwise they wouldn't get a referral if they told the truth. So I too find the cheap links convienent that I can just go down the road and click click click and read wait and be done.
3a3
May 30 2002, 06:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by tipsy:
Just about every single ptrp I'm with uses cheap links. I don't understand the bad concept of it. You still get regular paid link and then cheap links regardless of how much they still add up. Plus it gives people with limited funds a nice way to advertise without having to come up wtih twenty on up for advertising. Plus it only takes a minute to click....
what can I say .. I think nothing ..
tipsy
May 30 2002, 07:03 AM
You know 3a3 I don't understand why you chose to use angry faces in regards to my posts and keep quoting me. I don't have a problem with your point of view and understand it completely. I would assume that I have the same right to voice my point of view without having you come back and make smart remarks about it.
3a3
May 30 2002, 07:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by tipsy:
I appreciate your opionion on the subject but I don't think you ought to be calling names simply because you disagree... Everyone has their opinion and that's fine I understand that some people to don't want to make less than a penny but everyone has their opinion and I really don't think that's it's fair to call people names simply because you disagree...
Ok, sorry .. but I've said my opinion out MANY times and I guess you haven't read it, if you say, that you don't see the point, it means that you don't have your own opinion, you just wait while wembaster will say to you thanks for support .. but it will never happen .. take is as it is ..
if you would have paid normal price for your ad, I guess you would have earned a lot of more referrals .. and the people would be much happier clicking your ads .. Now they did this with REAL PAIN ..
If you say, you don't get the point why this kind of advertising is bad, then I guess you haven't thought enough about it ..
(sorry, for my previous post again .. no offence)
sophieca
May 30 2002, 07:18 AM
Tipsy,
I said cheap links are more user friendly than normal links and in fact I tend to regret it because I really think they do more harm than good to the entire business economically speaking !
Sophie
tipsy
May 30 2002, 07:28 AM
No I've actually thought about the subject plenty. Have read posts on both sides of the story and I finalized my opinion on the basis that money is money nobody is getting rich doing this it's just for fun and to make a buck or two and that's all. So for instance if you found a five dollar bill and a one dollar bill on the ground with no one around you wouldn't pick up the one dollar bill because it's less and would take effort to do it. I would I would pick up both bills cause 1.00 spends just as good as 5.00. that's what I think about the cheap links .25-less is better in my pocket than nothing. And I have paid for ads that cost a lot more and I can't tell the difference in referrals and most times I get less referrals from the higher costing ads which does nothing but take more money away from me. I think people are plenty happy with clicking the cheap ads cause if they weren't then they just wouldn't click them and I would not get referrals and then advertiser's would quit buying ads therefore would cease cheap links... But obviously people keep buying them and people keep clicking them... Just like I don't like clicking search engine links. All I can say is if you don't like clicking them then don't. I just don't want the webmasters blamed for putting them out there when they are just trying to help people advertise cheaper.... I understand completely your opinion on the subject. And as far as the webmasters thanking people. They do on a constant basis. I have not met yet one webmaster that was mean or inconsiderate. Most thank their members on a regular basis.
tipsy
May 30 2002, 07:32 AM
Sophie:
I do understand your point of view if I am thinking right. Your pov is that by having cheap links then eventually regular links will stop because people will start just paying for cheap links and we will make less and less right??? I understand that very well and hope that never happens. Hopefully it'll stay like it is. but think about this.... let's say everyone did quit buying 1 cent ads but because of the cheap links people started buying more ads. Now think if a website (hypothetical) sends out 2 1 cent ad a day then all the sudden started sending out 8 cheap ads at .25 (I hope my math is right) anyway would still equal 2 cents right? that's what I am trying to make it ad up too see my point though.. It still might work out end the end....
3a3
May 30 2002, 06:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by tipsy:
No I've actually thought about the subject plenty. Have read posts on both sides of the story and I finalized my opinion on the basis that money is money nobody is getting rich doing this it's just for fun and to make a buck or two and that's all.
Nobody is saying that somebody is gona get rich! it will never happen with these programs .. but do you think it's fun to click those $0.0001 links? If so, then I'll give you some 100 links and you'll click them daily .. so it means that you will earn 1 cent a day .. that's fun! .. isn't it?
quote:
Originally posted by tipsy:
So for instance if you found a five dollar bill and a one dollar bill on the ground with no one around you wouldn't pick up the one dollar bill because it's less and would take effort to do it. I would I would pick up both bills cause 1.00 spends just as good as 5.00. that's what I think about the cheap links
Yeah! Right .. if cheap links would be those $1.00 worth, I would click them .. I guess if you would see a $1.00 bill on the ground, that is cut into 1 000 piecies, you would not take your time, to try to collect all those 1 000 pieces, I guess .. would you?
quote:
Originally posted by tipsy:
.25-less is better in my pocket than nothing.
no comments ..
quote:
Originally posted by tipsy:
And I have paid for ads that cost a lot more and I can't tell the difference in referrals and most times I get less referrals from the higher costing ads which does nothing but take more money away from me. I think people are plenty happy with clicking the cheap ads cause if they weren't then they just wouldn't click them and I would not get referrals and then advertiser's would quit buying ads therefore would cease cheap links... But obviously people keep buying them and people keep clicking them... Just like I don't like clicking search engine links. All I can say is if you don't like clicking them then don't. I just don't want the webmasters blamed for putting them out there when they are just trying to help people advertise cheaper.... I understand completely your opinion on the subject. And as far as the webmasters thanking people. They do on a constant basis. I have not met yet one webmaster that was mean or inconsiderate. Most thank their members on a regular basis.
People keep clicking them, because they don't understand, that they can change the situation by themselves by just ignoring the links. If advertiser gets no results in cheap links, he will not advertise anymore so cheap .. if he gets results, as it is now, he talks to his friends and recommends it .. just like you did now .. you said that you got less refs for higher price than for the cheap price .. that's it .. the market goes down again .. I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying, what I think .. there are a lot more people outside, that advertise a lot in cheap links and recommend them .. but nobody thinks about the regular members ..
is it really a fun to click 10 months and then finally cash out at $1.00? If so, then I don't get where the fun is ..
tipsy
May 30 2002, 10:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 3a3:
then I'll give you some 100 links and you'll click them daily .. so it means that you will earn 1 cent a day .. that's fun! .. isn't it? quote:
I would click them yeah it's a little time consuming but I click about 100 links anyway because I'm with several email programs so I sit at my computer and probably go through over 100 emails just from the night....
quote:
Yeah! Right .. if cheap links would be those $1.00 worth, I would click them .. I guess if you would see a $1.00 bill on the ground, that is cut into 1 000 piecies, you would not take your time, to try to collect all those 1 000 pieces, I guess .. would you? quote:
as brenda said quote:
And she does NOT pay in the thousandths of a penny!! quote:
People keep clicking them, because they don't understand, that they can change the situation by themselves by just ignoring the links. If advertiser gets no results in cheap links, he will not advertise anymore so cheap .. if he gets results, as it is now, he talks to his friends and recommends it .. just like you did now .. you said that you got less refs for higher price than for the cheap price .. that's it .. the market goes down again .. I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying, what I think .. there are a lot more people outside, that advertise a lot in cheap links and recommend them .. but nobody thinks about the regular members .. quote:
I agree with that... The problem is as you saw with the poll there are too many people that like the cheap links and just a handful that don't... 83% to 17% so until more people hate the cheap links the 17% isn't going to make that much difference. Obviously there are still people that like advertising regular cause there are still more regular links than cheap links.... The most I've seen in any PTRP is 4 links in one mail and it still had 1-2 regular paid links as well...
quote:
is it really a fun to click 10 months and then finally cash out at $1.00? If so, then I don't get where the fun is .. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Ok just to comment on that... Thane org.. no referrals and I still haven't made a dollar and they don't send cheap links.. they just send regular and mini but it's pay per link is more than cheap links and there are many many many ptrp that I haven't even made a 1.00 so even without cheap links if you don't have a lot of referrals then it's hard to make anything anyway...
Have a nice day!
cloud^77
May 30 2002, 10:07 PM
I am just thinking here, why don't we just have an option to choose to receive cheap links or not..
So, if you do not like to receive cheap links, you can choose option "Not to receive cheap links". And if you like to receive cheap links, you can choose option "Receive cheap links".
Maybe this could solve the problem.
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PS: My personal thinking is that cheap links is quite good, although sometimes I don't click, but if you think it like this:
* no cheap links --> no additional money for Tombmailer or maybe other GPTR sites --> no money for members.
This is actually same goes to paid to search links. We, as the members, actually need to support site owners, so they can still survive in the business. That's why sometimes I still click on them.
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Some of us, sometimes angry because don't receive any paid links, but then when they receive paid links (although they are only cheap links), people are still angry. Maybe this is only a natural human behaviour that will not feel satisfy (unlimited wants).
This is only variation, and from my thinking that all people not just buy the cheap links, why? It is because if you want to get higher clickthrough (did I spell it correctly ), and to interest more people to click on the link/visit site, they will buy the normal ads. And if Tombmailer does as what I suggested that is make members option to choose whether wants to receive cheap links or not, I think people will still buy normal ads, so it can send to all members.
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Only my opinion, does not mean to offense anyone.
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Thanks
3a3
May 30 2002, 11:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cloud^77:
I am just thinking here, why don't we just have an option to choose to receive cheap links or not..
So, if you do not like to receive cheap links, you can choose option "Not to receive cheap links". And if you like to receive cheap links, you can choose option "Receive cheap links".
Maybe this could solve the problem.
I must say this one is the best solution I've heard so far .. thumbs up!
Moon Elf
May 31 2002, 12:19 AM
Ya know, cloud has a point there. if there was an option kinda like what ReadThemWell has we could choose to get the cheap links or not. ReadThemWell has three types of ads and you can choose which ones you want to recieve. Me, I'll take them all, it's all money in the end.
tipsy
May 31 2002, 01:19 AM
BRAVO!!! Maybe we should all email Rhea and all the other webmasters and ask them if that's possible. It might mean more work for them so they may not like that idea but if Read Them Well is doing it maybe it's easy to do and would be able to do it. Finally something we all agree on YEAH!!! Cool... We'll see if any webmasters respond on this suggestion... Thanks Have a great day.
sophieca
May 31 2002, 03:34 AM
I wouldn't check the button "not receiving cheap links", don't care if they are there or not and like to watch how many people support the thing by sending out those ads.
And had second thoughts today, did some clicking on links and cheap links and searches, just to compare them.....some GPTREM send normal links being less worth than "cheap links" from other sites... :-)
So, the discussion is worthless.....but if you send me "cheap links" worth less than 0.0025 US$, better send me a non paid ad with advertisment, I might see it and click whereas I won't waste my time clicking on those cheap thingies, won't even look at it :-)
But I realize lots of people love to click for 0.001 US$ or less......because they promote/support the thing instead of promoting the use of regular ads all over tha place. You need to click on as many "cheap links" to be able to redeem for a cheap links as you need to click on normal links to redeem for normal ads !
Are the sale of "cheap links" really paying something for the webmasters ? Meaning if everybody buy only the cheap links, will it pay hosting, bandwith etc.... ??? Like to know because somebody above said we should support webmasters...want to know if at least that is true, it helps webmasters....I thought it was the contrary, if they only receive orders for "cheap links", they won't be able to make 1 cent benefit after having paid all the bills.....well, am not webmaster, so was just wondering.
Sophie
[ 05-31-2002, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: sophieca ]
3a3
May 31 2002, 08:49 PM
quote:
Originally posted by sophieca:
I wouldn't check the button "not receiving cheap links", don't care if they are there or not and like to watch how many people support the thing by sending out those ads.
And had second thoughts today, did some clicking on links and cheap links and searches, just to compare them.....some GPTREM send normal links being less worth than "cheap links" from other sites... :-)
So, the discussion is worthless.....but if you send me "cheap links" worth less than 0.0025 US$, better send me a non paid ad with advertisment, I might see it and click whereas I won't waste my time clicking on those cheap thingies, won't even look at it :-)
But I realize lots of people love to click for 0.001 US$ or less......because they promote/support the thing instead of promoting the use of regular ads all over tha place. You need to click on as many "cheap links" to be able to redeem for a cheap links as you need to click on normal links to redeem for normal ads !
Are the sale of "cheap links" really paying something for the webmasters ? Meaning if everybody buy only the cheap links, will it pay hosting, bandwith etc.... ??? Like to know because somebody above said we should support webmasters...want to know if at least that is true, it helps webmasters....I thought it was the contrary, if they only receive orders for "cheap links", they won't be able to make 1 cent benefit after having paid all the bills.....well, am not webmaster, so was just wondering.
Sophie
I guess if there would be no profit, then they would not sell those cheap links ..
cloud^77
May 31 2002, 11:39 PM
Sophieca, you have a good point there. I am not sure also whether webmaster really helped by us or not if we click on those cheap links. But, at least if we click on the links,we actually already support the site owner. Usually, in an email, I see a statement like this "Please support our advertiser" , so from my thinking is that, if we click on the link, we already support GPTR site owner and advertiser as well. It is better than doing nothing. Beside that another reason is because if you do not click on those links (I mean if the webmaster only send cheap links), I think your account will be said as inactive. So, it will be better *at least* click, right?
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I do not want to against anyone. But, let's we think, make Tombmailer as the example, this site is hosted by MyECom Hosting (if I am not mistaken), the cost is only $US 15 per month, if there are 3 people buy cheap links ($US5 X 3 = $US15), Tombmailer can already pay back for the hosting. Usually, in an email, I see about 5 to 6 cheap links, so I guess Tombmailer already earn profit here. But I don't know about other cost, like paying member, etc. Beside that, in an email, there is also normal ad, so if add up all, Tombmailer earns another income (correct me if I am mistaken) .
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My post does not mean to offense anyone. I am sorry if that happens.
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Thanks
Erick
Jun 1 2002, 02:44 AM
If it costs $15 hosting, and you sell 3 Cheap links which =$15 then you do need to consider the cost of paying members and any other things. It matters how many people click the links, and that determines the profit, and as click thru rates go up, then tombmailer would probably raise the cost as to not loose money.
Also TombMailer does not always send a normal 1 cent ad with the cheap links sometimes, .
Erick
tipsy
Jun 1 2002, 08:11 AM
We'll you have to figure this way.. I'm not sure of Rhea's actual charge for advertising but some websites give specials where they will let you used your sign up bonus to send paid emails (who do you think has to pay 10,000 members for a .25 cent ad if you use your bonus....) plus too most time they don't charge you the exact charge to send a 1 cent ad to everyone. 10,000 members would cost 100.00 right (forgive my math if I'm wrong) so who's going to pay 100.00 for one ad? Not many people so sometimes they take a lost. Plus like with these searches I think that have to make a certain amount before they can get their money and you think how many people don't even do it right.
tipsy
Jun 1 2002, 08:14 AM
oh I forgot... They start off in the whole remember they bought the website.. so your looking at 200-500 for the website itself...
jazmyni
Jun 1 2002, 09:39 AM
Why havent I gotten any emails from TOmb Mailer lately, I was getting LOTS and then they disapeared
tipsy
Jun 1 2002, 09:50 AM
Doesn't any one Read her emails... If you did then you would know that she back to work and is working 14 hour days. She will try to do what she can when she can but from my experience working 14 hour days is very tiring in any occupation. She was here like memorial weekend for the week but she left again last tuesday. She probably spent most of that time answering her email and sleeping. She said she would try to get on her laptop during her off hours but it would be hard. So she will pop in here and there...
cloud^77
Jun 1 2002, 05:02 PM
Tipsy, you are right.
So, that's why I suggest that we need to support the site owner. That is better than doing nothing.
Brenda@PJ
Jun 1 2002, 05:25 PM
You guys are great! And to answer regarding profits from MY perspective - I am NOT a typical PTRE owner, so I can't say how it works for them.
My version of cheap links - Mystery Link - you pay $2.50 and the mystery link leads to your url. I try to make it funny and it's inexpensive! IF I pay a quarter of a cent and 1000 members click on it,it's paid for. Usually more members click on it. Sometimes I am feeling really tacky and I pay less, sometimes I pay more.
Signup contest links are cheap,too, since there's no pay, but if you send your confirmation email in you get entered into the contest. That only costs $3.
My ad redemption links only pay a quarter of a cent as well, and if 2000 members click on them, they are 'paid' for in 'funny money' since a member redeemed earnings for it. They cost me money, really, since the $5 was mine to begin with. But I offer it since it gives members a way to advertise cheaply.
People have complained about my other advertising prices. I reply that all ads sent out MUST BE PAID FOR. I am NOT going to send out a 5 cent link and not be compensated for it and have members reach payout and not have the $$ to pay them.
So, no, tenth of a cent links don't make much of a profit and yes, they are extremely annoying, but it is a desire to help people be able to promote their programs that has motivated us to offer them, not greed.
I haven't seen any hundredth or thousandth of a cent links except when the webmaster messed up.
What gets me is programs that ONLY pay a quarter to a third of a cent links. That's why I change my link pay a lot, to keep it fresh.
surf4pay
Jun 9 2002, 07:45 AM
Paid searches and cheap links don't ruin the industry. They are an attempt to keep the industry and a website alive. What do you think paid searches and cheaplinks will be replaced with? Nothing. The reason webmasters send them is because they are receiving little to no advertisers and they are trying to find a way for members to earn money.
Donna