I've been a member of paidemail4fun for several months. I finally reached payout and made a request for payout weeks ago. I have sent 3 emails to the owner but of course, no response.
Does anyone know if PAIDEMAIL4FUN is a scam or is owned by a con-artist?
John
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I don't think they're a scam or anything... I went into my account info there the other day because I'm changing my email addy that I use for PTRs, and it's a set thing now instead of the username just being non-changeable. I emailed them about changing my email addy and they haven't responded to that either. 
I think in an e-mail I seen it said they're up to 60 days behind??
I know the owner of that program also owns Blue Fishy and Maniac Mail.
Last I heard from Maniac Mail at least was that they were indeed behind, I think it was 45 days wait on payouts approximately.
The major reason for this is that they look over accounts for cheating when payout is requested. I can totally understand that, better to check then, as if they cheated and requested payout, it becomes fraud, but still, I would hate to hold up payout on honest members because everyone has to get checked over.
And I am waiting on Manaic Mail right now, in about a day, will add Blue Fishy to the list, as I am pennies away from payout.
Last I heard from Maniac Mail at least was that they were indeed behind, I think it was 45 days wait on payouts approximately.
The major reason for this is that they look over accounts for cheating when payout is requested. I can totally understand that, better to check then, as if they cheated and requested payout, it becomes fraud, but still, I would hate to hold up payout on honest members because everyone has to get checked over.
And I am waiting on Manaic Mail right now, in about a day, will add Blue Fishy to the list, as I am pennies away from payout.
In each it says 45-60 days behind.....I don't like waiting either but this has been in the e-mails since I joined several monthes ago. I did a paid to sign up so I feel obligated to stay.
But it has been clear for at least 5 months that they are behind 45-60 days.
As they have posted this in each e-mail.
But it has been clear for at least 5 months that they are behind 45-60 days.
As they have posted this in each e-mail.
I'm waiting since Feb 26. , They will pay...but it sure takes long
| QUOTE (Lollie @ May 28 2004, 10:46 PM) |
| In each it says 45-60 days behind.....I don't like waiting either but this has been in the e-mails since I joined several monthes ago. I did a paid to sign up so I feel obligated to stay. But it has been clear for at least 5 months that they are behind 45-60 days. As they have posted this in each e-mail. |
I have seen that 45 days behind message for a while now and always assumed that they just forgot to remove it.
There's no logical reason to be behind on payments for many months already unless the owner is broke or has no intention of paying people. Do we know anyone who HAS been paid even once?
I think it's time for me to consider Paidemail4fun a scam and just back away from it. Thats what I'll do.
JOhnny
I was paid once and it took 60 days. It is now almost 90 and I haven't been paid again. I am owed by paidemail4fun, emaildollars and bluefishy - all owned by the same people. with bluefishy it is now over 90 days.
I am already up to cashing out again at these sites and I wish someone would respond to the letters I have written to them.
jku2
I am already up to cashing out again at these sites and I wish someone would respond to the letters I have written to them.
jku2
PAIDEMAIL4FUN is a SCAM.
There is no logical reason to make people wait 45-60 days to get paid unless it's a way to keep people clickin and making money for PAIDEMAIL4FUN. People are waiting for MONTHS and still have NOT been paid. PAIDEMAIL4FUN has NO intention of paying anyone!
I'd strongly urge people to drop Paidemail4fun now. All you are doing is wasting your time making money for the owner who will never pay you.
John
There is no logical reason to make people wait 45-60 days to get paid unless it's a way to keep people clickin and making money for PAIDEMAIL4FUN. People are waiting for MONTHS and still have NOT been paid. PAIDEMAIL4FUN has NO intention of paying anyone!
I'd strongly urge people to drop Paidemail4fun now. All you are doing is wasting your time making money for the owner who will never pay you.
John
I know the owner of this program and his other's.....he and his team are not going anywhere and you will be paid. They indicate frequently that they are behind on payments and they always make good on them. I would suggest a little help with each of the programs (maniac-mail, Blue-fishy, Email-Dollar etc) with searches and buying some advertising via their ebay links to promote your other programs for larger downlines. Thats why we are all here anyway.
| QUOTE (Ironsides444 @ May 29 2004, 08:34 AM) |
| I know the owner of this program and his other's.....he and his team are not going anywhere and you will be paid. They indicate frequently that they are behind on payments and they always make good on them. I would suggest a little help with each of the programs (maniac-mail, Blue-fishy, Email-Dollar etc) with searches and buying some advertising via their ebay links to promote your other programs for larger downlines. Thats why we are all here anyway. |
If you "know" the owner of paidemail4fun, then tell him to have RESPECT for the people that spent a LOT of time clicking his ads, for fractions of a cent no less, and pay them PROMPTLY when they request it.
As I said, there is no logical reason to be months behind in paying people. Setting up a payment via any service (paypal,egold,etc) takes less than a minute and a half per transaction. Of course mass pay is available so everyone should be able to be paid within 48 hours of their payout request. The "45-60 days behind" that he alleges is baloney. Paidemail4fun is a scam!
Well, if your criteria for a program being a "scam" is that it is behind the TOS in paying its members... then a large percentage of the programs in existence would be on your list.
The word scam is so overused and so inappropriately used at this forum. A scam is a fraudulent business venture. One that set out to be fraudulent. One that never intended to pay its members.
I really don't think that all programs that have gotten behind their TOS on payments fall into this category at all. I also think it's highly irresponsible to be tossing that word around as much as people do.
No, none of us like waiting longer than the terms state to get paid. Yes, the programs should try whatever they can to get caught up and pay their members. BUT... there's a big difference between an honest program that has fallen behind for one of many possible reasons and a program that never intended to pay its members at all or closed up shop and ran off in the middle of the night, not paying anyone.
Let's not paint all programs with the same brush, ok?
- dizzy
The word scam is so overused and so inappropriately used at this forum. A scam is a fraudulent business venture. One that set out to be fraudulent. One that never intended to pay its members.
I really don't think that all programs that have gotten behind their TOS on payments fall into this category at all. I also think it's highly irresponsible to be tossing that word around as much as people do.
No, none of us like waiting longer than the terms state to get paid. Yes, the programs should try whatever they can to get caught up and pay their members. BUT... there's a big difference between an honest program that has fallen behind for one of many possible reasons and a program that never intended to pay its members at all or closed up shop and ran off in the middle of the night, not paying anyone.
Let's not paint all programs with the same brush, ok?
- dizzy
Most of the programs that don't pay, like PAIDEMAIL4FUN, are in fact, scams. Yes, the word "scam" is overused but usually it's accurate when it is used.
There's rarely a valid defense for a PTR to be so far behind in paying it's hard working members. People like you, that defend fraudulent PTR's like paidemail4fun, just help those PTR's to keep robbing people.
John
There's rarely a valid defense for a PTR to be so far behind in paying it's hard working members. People like you, that defend fraudulent PTR's like paidemail4fun, just help those PTR's to keep robbing people.
John
lostbeacon: Where exactly did dizzy "defend" anybody or anything????? Perhaps you need to start reading things a little more closely and get that huge chip off your shoulder before it causes some permanent damage!
Dizzy offered an absolutely correct definition of a "scam" -- so do please tell us all why exactly you feel this program fits that definition --- with proof of course.
And if you're wondering - no I'm not a member of this program....I've never even heard of it to be honest.
But I am sick to death of people yelling "Scam" everytime something doesn't go the way THEY think it should.
BTW...if this program has been telling it's members all along where they are as far as being behind, and if you read this information but "assumed" it wasn't accurate --- then how exactly is that anyone's fault but YOUR OWN?????
Finally - this sentence from your most recent post is totally contradictory and makes no sense whatsoever!
Dizzy offered an absolutely correct definition of a "scam" -- so do please tell us all why exactly you feel this program fits that definition --- with proof of course.
And if you're wondering - no I'm not a member of this program....I've never even heard of it to be honest.
But I am sick to death of people yelling "Scam" everytime something doesn't go the way THEY think it should.
BTW...if this program has been telling it's members all along where they are as far as being behind, and if you read this information but "assumed" it wasn't accurate --- then how exactly is that anyone's fault but YOUR OWN?????
Finally - this sentence from your most recent post is totally contradictory and makes no sense whatsoever!
| QUOTE |
| Yes, the word "scam" is overused but usually it's accurate when it is used. |
No, its not a scam, its just owned by people who are atrocious payers, but they do pay - just don't expect the money within their terms.
Hopeless at paying, but they do!
Hopeless at paying, but they do!
| QUOTE (dizzygal69 @ May 29 2004, 03:13 PM) |
| Well, if your criteria for a program being a "scam" is that it is behind the TOS in paying its members... then a large percentage of the programs in existence would be on your list. The word scam is so overused and so inappropriately used at this forum. A scam is a fraudulent business venture. One that set out to be fraudulent. One that never intended to pay its members. I really don't think that all programs that have gotten behind their TOS on payments fall into this category at all. I also think it's highly irresponsible to be tossing that word around as much as people do. No, none of us like waiting longer than the terms state to get paid. Yes, the programs should try whatever they can to get caught up and pay their members. BUT... there's a big difference between an honest program that has fallen behind for one of many possible reasons and a program that never intended to pay its members at all or closed up shop and ran off in the middle of the night, not paying anyone. Let's not paint all programs with the same brush, ok? - dizzy |
If your company said well, we won't pay you according to your and our terms, ie on pay day, but we will pay you a few months later when we can be bothered to get round to it, that is not fair.
You wouldn't be happy if your employer said that to you.
Why is this any different? It shouldn't be.
| QUOTE (the lil crusader @ May 29 2004, 11:48 AM) | ||
| lostbeacon: Where exactly did dizzy "defend" anybody or anything????? Perhaps you need to start reading things a little more closely and get that huge chip off your shoulder before it causes some permanent damage! Dizzy offered an absolutely correct definition of a "scam" -- so do please tell us all why exactly you feel this program fits that definition --- with proof of course. And if you're wondering - no I'm not a member of this program....I've never even heard of it to be honest. But I am sick to death of people yelling "Scam" everytime something doesn't go the way THEY think it should. BTW...if this program has been telling it's members all along where they are as far as being behind, and if you read this information but "assumed" it wasn't accurate --- then how exactly is that anyone's fault but YOUR OWN????? Finally - this sentence from your most recent post is totally contradictory and makes no sense whatsoever!
|
Hi Lil Crusader,
Maybe you should have taken the name "dizzy" instead. It would have been an appropriate fit.
Even though I am in the middle of an important project this hour and a bit distracted I had to take a minute to answer you quickly.
When I see someone getting in here leaning towards the side of the PTR's, I have to wonder why. A large majority of the PTR's are nothing more than a way for the owner to make everyone else work to make a living for the owner. They may pay in the beginning but payments stop eventually. Then they pull things like "We're behind on payments" and the next month they are still behind and the next month the same and on it goes. Do we know anyone who has been paid recently by that program? Nope! Do we know anyone who has received an email back when they have sent an inquiry? Nope! To me, these indicate something very wrong.
I've read a lot of your messages throughout the forum and you appear to like to jump on people when they speak their mind. Why? We are supposed to be here to help each other but yet you and a "few" others seem to enjoy doing the opposite. In your usual nitpicking fashion, you said:
"Finally - this sentence from your most recent post is totally contradictory and makes no sense whatsoever!"
| QUOTE |
| Yes, the word "scam" is overused but usually it's accurate when it is used. |
Let me rephrase that so someone of your intelligence level can understand it easier:
The word "scam" does get used a lot, BUT even though it is used a lot, it is usually used appropriately because there are many programs that are scams. Most of the time when people have yelled "scam" about a PTR, it turned out to be a Scam in the end. Go look at how many times people yelled 'scam'. Most of the time they were correct.
Ok, lil crusader, your turn. Feel free to trash me some more.
After reading your other two threads, also in Complaints and both about Peggy's programs, I'm going out on a limb here and making a prediction:
Paidemail4fun will stop being a 'scam' in your opinion the second you receive your payment.
Let's see if I'm right.
I still haven't figured out why you were so sympathetic to Peggy's plight when she answered your email of complaint by telling you it was all the other members' fault that you hadn't been paid yet since they hadn't bought any ads, yet apparently the WM of this program has frequently written to ALL members, not just you in particular, and kept EVERYONE, not just you in particular, up-to-date with acknowledgements of being behind in payments but instead of giving these apparently honest admissions the same weight as you gave Peggy's placement of blame, you instead chose to believe those admissions were no longer accurate - something that was obviously YOUR error!
In case your memory needs to be refreshed, here is the thread where you pat yourself on the back for managing to get paid before a lot of other people simply because of your "eye-catching"complaint:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=182123
And then, of course, this is the one in which you express your sympathy and understanding as to why one WM in particular is behind on her payments--the classic, "it's everybody else's fault" excuse:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=178214
Obviously being behind is NOT a good thing - but what determines the difference between a program having financial problems and one that is truly a scam is the way in which the payment situation is handled. The #1 indicator of a site not being a scam is open and honest communication with ALL members - something that other posters in this thread say HAS been done by the WM of Paidemail4fun.
On the other hand, if it takes a strongly worded letter of complaint to generate ANY sort of acknowledgement and even then, that acknowledgement points the finger of blame at others -- then that is an indicator of programs/WMs who deserve to be viewed with suspicion.
If you seriously consider this or my previous post to be trashing you or nitpicking in general, then I don't think you should be in PTRs because your expectations are much too high and your tolerance level is much too low.
Paidemail4fun will stop being a 'scam' in your opinion the second you receive your payment.
Let's see if I'm right.
I still haven't figured out why you were so sympathetic to Peggy's plight when she answered your email of complaint by telling you it was all the other members' fault that you hadn't been paid yet since they hadn't bought any ads, yet apparently the WM of this program has frequently written to ALL members, not just you in particular, and kept EVERYONE, not just you in particular, up-to-date with acknowledgements of being behind in payments but instead of giving these apparently honest admissions the same weight as you gave Peggy's placement of blame, you instead chose to believe those admissions were no longer accurate - something that was obviously YOUR error!
In case your memory needs to be refreshed, here is the thread where you pat yourself on the back for managing to get paid before a lot of other people simply because of your "eye-catching"complaint:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=182123
And then, of course, this is the one in which you express your sympathy and understanding as to why one WM in particular is behind on her payments--the classic, "it's everybody else's fault" excuse:
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=178214
Obviously being behind is NOT a good thing - but what determines the difference between a program having financial problems and one that is truly a scam is the way in which the payment situation is handled. The #1 indicator of a site not being a scam is open and honest communication with ALL members - something that other posters in this thread say HAS been done by the WM of Paidemail4fun.
On the other hand, if it takes a strongly worded letter of complaint to generate ANY sort of acknowledgement and even then, that acknowledgement points the finger of blame at others -- then that is an indicator of programs/WMs who deserve to be viewed with suspicion.
If you seriously consider this or my previous post to be trashing you or nitpicking in general, then I don't think you should be in PTRs because your expectations are much too high and your tolerance level is much too low.
I just wanted to retract my previous post, since I received an email from ManiacMails letting me know that they were dealing with my changing of email addys, and it's already been taken care of at Maniac. Apparently they'll be changing it at PE4F later, and I have no reason to think that it won't be dealt with. 
;;;
| QUOTE (the lil crusader @ May 29 2004, 01:57 PM) |
| After reading your other two threads, also in Complaints and both about Peggy's programs, I'm going out on a limb here and making a prediction: Paidemail4fun will stop being a 'scam' in your opinion the second you receive your payment. Let's see if I'm right. I still haven't figured out why you were so sympathetic to Peggy's plight when she answered your email of complaint by telling you it was all the other members' fault that you hadn't been paid yet since they hadn't bought any ads, yet apparently the WM of this program has frequently written to ALL members, not just you in particular, and kept EVERYONE, not just you in particular, up-to-date with acknowledgements of being behind in payments but instead of giving these apparently honest admissions the same weight as you gave Peggy's placement of blame, you instead chose to believe those admissions were no longer accurate - something that was obviously YOUR error! In case your memory needs to be refreshed, here is the thread where you pat yourself on the back for managing to get paid before a lot of other people simply because of your "eye-catching"complaint: http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=182123 And then, of course, this is the one in which you express your sympathy and understanding as to why one WM in particular is behind on her payments--the classic, "it's everybody else's fault" excuse: http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...howtopic=178214 Obviously being behind is NOT a good thing - but what determines the difference between a program having financial problems and one that is truly a scam is the way in which the payment situation is handled. The #1 indicator of a site not being a scam is open and honest communication with ALL members - something that other posters in this thread say HAS been done by the WM of Paidemail4fun. On the other hand, if it takes a strongly worded letter of complaint to generate ANY sort of acknowledgement and even then, that acknowledgement points the finger of blame at others -- then that is an indicator of programs/WMs who deserve to be viewed with suspicion. If you seriously consider this or my previous post to be trashing you or nitpicking in general, then I don't think you should be in PTRs because your expectations are much too high and your tolerance level is much too low. |
I'm wondering how long we're going to keep going back and forth like this?
There is a very good reason why I suddenly sided with Peggy but it is something I don't feel that you or anyone needs to know. At least not at this time, anyway.
In addition, my "expectations" are not high. They are simple. Get paid in a timely and reasonable manner for the work I did. Simple.
I agree completely with "Sarsons" outlook on the matter:
"If your company said well, we won't pay you according to your and our terms, ie on pay day, but we will pay you a few months later when we can be bothered to get round to it, that is not fair.
You wouldn't be happy if your employer said that to you.
Why is this any different? It shouldn't be."
| QUOTE (lostbeacon @ May 29 2004, 09:50 AM) |
| I've been a member of paidemail4fun for several months. I finally reached payout and made a request for payout weeks ago. I have sent 3 emails to the owner but of course, no response. Does anyone know if PAIDEMAIL4FUN is a scam or is owned by a con-artist? John |
If Im considered a scam then quit, Your request is 20 days old
I pay and will pay the honest members in all my programs, right now im behind in payments at pe4f the most, due to about 40 to 60 cheaters a day signing up, but we are making payments daily.
And scare tactics don't go well with me, you will have to wait like everyone else is and you decide to keep sending emails about a payment that is less then even terms state NO you will not get a response, In fact your just wasting our time to have to go and check on the status and find out you do not read terms first.
Thank you
Tom
He's complaining after 20 days when the TOS clearly say "45 days or a reasonable time thereafter"? 
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
| QUOTE (the lil crusader @ May 30 2004, 04:44 AM) |
| He's complaining after 20 days when the TOS clearly say "45 days or a reasonable time thereafter"? I rest my case. |
I know im way behind and I feel really bad, and we are paying members daily, if you don't understand about the cheaters, go look at the member count of pe4f now and tomorrow go check again, you will see a jump anywhere from 40 to 60 members
I wish I could say they were all good new signups.Now this has been happening almost daily for awhile, we catch about 30 out of every 100 requsts for payout, takes time to research each request.
I hope you all can understand this.
Thank you
Tom
| QUOTE (lostbeacon @ May 29 2004, 02:50 PM) |
| I agree completely with "Sarsons" outlook on the matter: "If your company said well, we won't pay you according to your and our terms, ie on pay day, but we will pay you a few months later when we can be bothered to get round to it, that is not fair. You wouldn't be happy if your employer said that to you. Why is this any different? It shouldn't be." |
I agree with what Sarsons said too......However, if my employer had told me I would be paid in 6 weeks (or the vague 'reasonable time thereafter'), and I had agreed that was acceptable by starting to work for him, then I would not be complaining after only 3!
lostbeacon -
Clearly, as the lil crusader stated so well, you did not read my post. Nowhere was I "defending" sites being behind on payouts. Unfortunately, it's a fact of life at the moment, with a lot of GPTRE programs. It's completely up to you what you think about any individual program. My issue is with you shouting from the rooftops that a program is a "scam" when you've given absolutely no evidence of such.
Calling a program a scam won't get you paid any faster.
Making fun of my post and completely misinterpreting what I said won't get you paid any faster.
And mocking Pam and suggesting that she ought to have used my screen name, and implying that there's something unintelligent about my screen name, won't get you paid any faster.
Being so nasty won't get you paid any faster.
Finally, I am highly amused that Tommy came in and posted that your payout request is only 20 days old. You start whining and calling a program a scam when they are still well within their terms on your payout? Hmm. I don't know what your agenda is, but I sure am glad that the record has been set straight.
I'll just be sure to take your posts with a very large grain of salt in future. And I 100% agree on the topic of you changing your mind on Peggy's programs, just because she paid you: utterly ridiculous.
Perhaps you enjoy thinking that you can bully and intimidate and whine and complain in public over NOTHING (your payout was only 20 days old!) and this will gain you something. Well, I for one am quite unimpressed. And any shred of credibility you might have once had has gone right out the window, imho. Have a nice day.
- dizzy
Clearly, as the lil crusader stated so well, you did not read my post. Nowhere was I "defending" sites being behind on payouts. Unfortunately, it's a fact of life at the moment, with a lot of GPTRE programs. It's completely up to you what you think about any individual program. My issue is with you shouting from the rooftops that a program is a "scam" when you've given absolutely no evidence of such.
Calling a program a scam won't get you paid any faster.
Making fun of my post and completely misinterpreting what I said won't get you paid any faster.
And mocking Pam and suggesting that she ought to have used my screen name, and implying that there's something unintelligent about my screen name, won't get you paid any faster.
Being so nasty won't get you paid any faster.
Finally, I am highly amused that Tommy came in and posted that your payout request is only 20 days old. You start whining and calling a program a scam when they are still well within their terms on your payout? Hmm. I don't know what your agenda is, but I sure am glad that the record has been set straight.
I'll just be sure to take your posts with a very large grain of salt in future. And I 100% agree on the topic of you changing your mind on Peggy's programs, just because she paid you: utterly ridiculous.
Perhaps you enjoy thinking that you can bully and intimidate and whine and complain in public over NOTHING (your payout was only 20 days old!) and this will gain you something. Well, I for one am quite unimpressed. And any shred of credibility you might have once had has gone right out the window, imho. Have a nice day.
- dizzy
Bravo dizzy -- very well said!
If your post is an example of what it means to be "dizzy" and "unintelligent" then I would be proud to be described that way!
P.S. Way to go Tommy as well.....I don't know you or your programs, but you very effectively shut down a whiner without getting nasty about it, and that makes you OK in my book!
If your post is an example of what it means to be "dizzy" and "unintelligent" then I would be proud to be described that way!
P.S. Way to go Tommy as well.....I don't know you or your programs, but you very effectively shut down a whiner without getting nasty about it, and that makes you OK in my book!
Thanks, lil crusader.
Tommy - I, too, applaud you for posting the reality of this person's situation without being defensive or unkind. And you do a very good job of keeping members notified of where you are with payouts, in the 2 programs of yours in which I am a member. Keep up the good work, and I know we are all looking forward to the day you get caught up on payouts. Happy hunting for those cheaters! Go get 'em!
- dizzy
Tommy - I, too, applaud you for posting the reality of this person's situation without being defensive or unkind. And you do a very good job of keeping members notified of where you are with payouts, in the 2 programs of yours in which I am a member. Keep up the good work, and I know we are all looking forward to the day you get caught up on payouts. Happy hunting for those cheaters! Go get 'em!
- dizzy
| QUOTE (dizzygal69 @ May 30 2004, 05:03 AM) |
| Thanks, lil crusader. Tommy - I, too, applaud you for posting the reality of this person's situation without being defensive or unkind. And you do a very good job of keeping members notified of where you are with payouts, in the 2 programs of yours in which I am a member. Keep up the good work, and I know we are all looking forward to the day you get caught up on payouts. Happy hunting for those cheaters! Go get 'em! - dizzy |
Lisa and I do the best we can, And I have always said If your honest and a member of any of my programs you will ALWAYS get paid, and hopefully in the next few months we will be caught up all over
I am a member of three of Tom and Lisa programmes. My emails and requests for changes are always quickly responded to. I have been paid three times through Maniac and am currently waiting for my fourth payment (60 days at the moment). I am not complaining. I would rather wait a little longer and make sure CHEATERS and the real SCAMMERS are not getting mine and yours and tom and Lisas hard earned clicked cash.
We have all been stung in the past, (programme owners and clickers alike, we are ALL victims, we all know how each other feels) people who have just shut up and run with our money, tom and lisa are here and still paying and responding to all requests, even unreasonable ones. (ie, pay me now I have been waiting 10 days for instance)
there are people in this forum who only seem to read parts and pieces of posts and then jump into arguments with only part of the info in their heads and this makes the situation ten times worse.
Read everything, think about it, then put the keys/brain/mouth into gear.
This is my opinion and I am a happy member of the Maniacs sites and will continue to be. there are some wonderful w/m and members out there, a lot of whom don't come here to post an opinion but in this world it is a danged if you do and danged if you don't (I got changed to have a nice day, lol) chuckle, you can't win.
We have all been stung in the past, (programme owners and clickers alike, we are ALL victims, we all know how each other feels) people who have just shut up and run with our money, tom and lisa are here and still paying and responding to all requests, even unreasonable ones. (ie, pay me now I have been waiting 10 days for instance)
there are people in this forum who only seem to read parts and pieces of posts and then jump into arguments with only part of the info in their heads and this makes the situation ten times worse.
Read everything, think about it, then put the keys/brain/mouth into gear.
This is my opinion and I am a happy member of the Maniacs sites and will continue to be. there are some wonderful w/m and members out there, a lot of whom don't come here to post an opinion but in this world it is a danged if you do and danged if you don't (I got changed to have a nice day, lol) chuckle, you can't win.
I must say I am always impressed when a WM actualy takes the time & effort to come here & explain/defend things. I also understand it takes time to weed out the cheaters,but I have been waiting for my payment since January (3rd). I wonder if you got that request, or if you are that far behind. I haven't sent any emails about it, as many WM's don't look at that favourably....so I'm just wondering....
| QUOTE (Marci @ May 29 2004, 10:08 PM) |
| I have been waiting for my payment since January (3rd). I wonder if you got that request, or if you are that far behind. I haven't sent any emails about it, as many WM's don't look at that favourably....so I'm just wondering.... |
Thanks for not being afraid to come forward and speak out on this issue.
Why would anyone need to be worried about coming forward on this supposed "issue"?
First of all, Tom is still well within his TOS for paying your account. Secondly, I don't know that I've ever heard of him deleting someone's account for coming here and saying what's on their mind. I'm sure that legitimate complaints and concerns are fair game. I don't think Tom is an arbitrary deleter.
First of all, Tom is still well within his TOS for paying your account. Secondly, I don't know that I've ever heard of him deleting someone's account for coming here and saying what's on their mind. I'm sure that legitimate complaints and concerns are fair game. I don't think Tom is an arbitrary deleter.
| QUOTE (lostbeacon @ May 30 2004, 12:46 PM) | ||
Thanks for not being afraid to come forward and speak out on this issue. |
Why would anyone need to be worried about coming forward on this supposed "issue"?
Because many WM will delete you for posting something like this here. I don't believe Tom would do that (from reading his posts here) that's why I asked. I only posted as I've seen Tom's made an effort here to explain things, I'm not comlaining here, just wondering how long it will take.
Tom is still well within his TOS for paying your account.
I know it says reasonable time thereafter, but it's been 5 months, hence my question.
I don't think Tom is an arbitrary deleter.
Neither do I, that's why I posted my question, he seems like a decent guy.
Because many WM will delete you for posting something like this here. I don't believe Tom would do that (from reading his posts here) that's why I asked. I only posted as I've seen Tom's made an effort here to explain things, I'm not comlaining here, just wondering how long it will take.
Tom is still well within his TOS for paying your account.
I know it says reasonable time thereafter, but it's been 5 months, hence my question.
I don't think Tom is an arbitrary deleter.
Neither do I, that's why I posted my question, he seems like a decent guy.
| QUOTE (Marci @ May 29 2004, 07:30 PM) |
| Why would anyone need to be worried about coming forward on this supposed "issue"? Because many WM will delete you for posting something like this here. I don't believe Tom would do that (from reading his posts here) that's why I asked. I only posted as I've seen Tom's made an effort here to explain things, I'm not comlaining here, just wondering how long it will take. Tom is still well within his TOS for paying your account. I know it says reasonable time thereafter, but it's been 5 months, hence my question. I don't think Tom is an arbitrary deleter. Neither do I, that's why I posted my question, he seems like a decent guy. |
Actually, I was referring to lostbeacon, not your post. Difference is, your request is beyond the TOS, where lostbeacon's request isn't even at half of TOS yet.
Tommy,
You are partially correct. My "second" request for payment was made "20 days ago". The "first" request was quite a bit before that according to my records here. Regardless of whether my requests was made a 20 days ago or 3 months ago, the fact that you discuss members accounts in public is unethical.
I would not have even started this topic had you answered my email. I sent you more than one email over a period of months including maybe two on payout, one about advertising and one on some other question that is not covered in your FAQ. I received NO responses to any of those few emails. I even just went back through my old email to be sure I was correct and there was nothing from you. A suggestion to you would be to answer emails from members and that would certainly help to head off problems before they start.
I enjoy your program and all the others but I, as everyone else, expect to be paid within a "reasonable" time. Maybe you think 90 days or longer is reasonable but it is not. You and other PTR owners have to consider that the personal situations of members. My situation, and I am embarassed to say it, is that I am not working (doctors strict orders), unemployment ran out and I cannot collect any SSI or disability of any sort because my medical issue just does not make me eligible. It's a complicated issue thats of no interest to anyone here. This is the reason that payouts are so important to me at this time in my life. I do whatever I can find to earn a few dollars until my situation changes.
I did NOT tell you about my situation to try to get you to pay me faster. In fact, I DON"T even want the payout this time. You can donate this one to a charity or someone who needs it. I'll take the next payout whenever I reach it again.
My apologies for suggesting that paidemail4fun may be a scam. As I said, had I received any emails from you, it would have eliminated that thought from my mind and we wouldn't even be here now discussing this.
You are partially correct. My "second" request for payment was made "20 days ago". The "first" request was quite a bit before that according to my records here. Regardless of whether my requests was made a 20 days ago or 3 months ago, the fact that you discuss members accounts in public is unethical.
I would not have even started this topic had you answered my email. I sent you more than one email over a period of months including maybe two on payout, one about advertising and one on some other question that is not covered in your FAQ. I received NO responses to any of those few emails. I even just went back through my old email to be sure I was correct and there was nothing from you. A suggestion to you would be to answer emails from members and that would certainly help to head off problems before they start.
I enjoy your program and all the others but I, as everyone else, expect to be paid within a "reasonable" time. Maybe you think 90 days or longer is reasonable but it is not. You and other PTR owners have to consider that the personal situations of members. My situation, and I am embarassed to say it, is that I am not working (doctors strict orders), unemployment ran out and I cannot collect any SSI or disability of any sort because my medical issue just does not make me eligible. It's a complicated issue thats of no interest to anyone here. This is the reason that payouts are so important to me at this time in my life. I do whatever I can find to earn a few dollars until my situation changes.
I did NOT tell you about my situation to try to get you to pay me faster. In fact, I DON"T even want the payout this time. You can donate this one to a charity or someone who needs it. I'll take the next payout whenever I reach it again.
My apologies for suggesting that paidemail4fun may be a scam. As I said, had I received any emails from you, it would have eliminated that thought from my mind and we wouldn't even be here now discussing this.
| QUOTE (lostbeacon @ May 30 2004, 01:13 PM) |
| Tommy, You are partially correct. My "second" request for payment was made "20 days ago". The "first" request was quite a bit before that according to my records here. Regardless of whether my requests was made a 20 days ago or 3 months ago, the fact that you discuss members accounts in public is unethical. |
IF you made one request 3 months ago, then REREQUESTED, then your latest request is the one that just about ALL WMs go off.
That's true in alot of cases, SS. I know that if someone keeps hitting the cashout button at my site, they go to the end of the line.
It wouldn't have been a re-request, you can't do that, as it's automaticaly debited from your account. He would've reached another payout since his last request, like me.
| QUOTE (Marci @ May 29 2004, 11:22 PM) |
| It wouldn't have been a re-request, you can't do that, as it's automaticaly debited from your account. He would've reached another payout since his last request, like me. |
Actually on some systems, like bluegoldemail, you can click the payout request button over and over again
| QUOTE (lostbeacon @ May 30 2004, 11:43 AM) |
| Tommy, You are partially correct. My "second" request for payment was made "20 days ago". The "first" request was quite a bit before that according to my records here. Regardless of whether my requests was made a 20 days ago or 3 months ago, the fact that you discuss members accounts in public is unethical. I would not have even started this topic had you answered my email. I sent you more than one email over a period of months including maybe two on payout, one about advertising and one on some other question that is not covered in your FAQ. I received NO responses to any of those few emails. I even just went back through my old email to be sure I was correct and there was nothing from you. A suggestion to you would be to answer emails from members and that would certainly help to head off problems before they start. I enjoy your program and all the others but I, as everyone else, expect to be paid within a "reasonable" time. Maybe you think 90 days or longer is reasonable but it is not. You and other PTR owners have to consider that the personal situations of members. My situation, and I am embarassed to say it, is that I am not working (doctors strict orders), unemployment ran out and I cannot collect any SSI or disability of any sort because my medical issue just does not make me eligible. It's a complicated issue thats of no interest to anyone here. This is the reason that payouts are so important to me at this time in my life. I do whatever I can find to earn a few dollars until my situation changes. I did NOT tell you about my situation to try to get you to pay me faster. In fact, I DON"T even want the payout this time. You can donate this one to a charity or someone who needs it. I'll take the next payout whenever I reach it again. My apologies for suggesting that paidemail4fun may be a scam. As I said, had I received any emails from you, it would have eliminated that thought from my mind and we wouldn't even be here now discussing this. |
I must disagree with your admonition of Tom's post. You chose to come to this forum and post not only inaccurate information, but called us a "SCAM" in the process. You have only 1 request payment request pending and not more than one as you've alluded to in your previous post. I do not believe that Tom or I have posted anything unethical as we did not post your account earnings or personal information, but rather we corrected an inaccurate statement on your part.
This information is available to you in your account manager. Please login to your account and you'll see your total earnings amount and the redemption request for payment that you have made at PaidEmail4Fun.
In addition, as stated on our Redemption Page in bold type, your earnings are automatically deducted at the time of redemption. We do this for accounting purposes and so that members do not keep hitting the redemption button.
No, I have not answered your payment inquiries from the past 2 weeks, because I am behind in responding to them and consider them a lower priority when compared to more urgent inquiries. I do respond to support issues as quickly as possible based on priority of issue such as email request changes, banner fixes, stolen member accounts, advertising inquiries, etc... and not necessarily in the order in which a support email has been received. There are some inquiries that do take precedence over others at times. I'm sorry if that delay has caused you stress, but I do have a fulltime career and have to prioritize my workload for our programs which also includes which support emails to respond to more quickly than others.
I understand that you want us to consider our members and we do, however we are not machines and cannot be all things to all people 24 hours a day. Please consider that these programs involve a lot of work and we do work hard to keep our programs problem free as much as possible. Please also remember that there maybe times that we have not received emails do to server issues as has occurred recently when our server was down for several days.
We are not going to donate your payment and it is still in our payment queue for processing.
Thank you,
Lisa
here's an idea folks.....rofl
i dont even request payout, i just redeem for ads, they go out within 48 hours, and for the $1.50-$2.50 i spend on a redemption, i usually make back about $4 with a search engine
(i see u reading the thread tommy, hiya, long time no see!!)
i dont even request payout, i just redeem for ads, they go out within 48 hours, and for the $1.50-$2.50 i spend on a redemption, i usually make back about $4 with a search engine
(i see u reading the thread tommy, hiya, long time no see!!)
It has been brought to my attention that I was wrong in my previous post, and my request was from February, not January.
Just thought I'd let you all know & sorry for the mistake, wasn't intentional.
Just thought I'd let you all know & sorry for the mistake, wasn't intentional.
Could we get an idea of when payments are being made? I requested in February and according to e-mails I should have been paid last month (45-60 days). It has now been 3 months (90 days). I also have another request in from April which is 2 days short of 60 days and I will have enough to cash out in another week or 2. I am reluctant to keep clicking when things are getting so far behind.
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