I'm opening this thread to discussion about the latest boycotted site AYS as well as to continue talking about whether or not GPTBoycott.com is viable considering the latest events.
The site is run by volunteers and whatever donations come in, it is my opinion that requiring the site to spend time, effort and money to "investigate" each submission for accuracy requiring documentation, email, phone calls, screenshots, snailmail, etc. would place financial stress on the site.
It is easier said than done to hunt down, pursue, talk to, determine, investigate each complaint for each site. I don't believe they have the resources to provide what some people are asking of them and it isn't a PTR governmental regulatory site, it's just a venue used by many to find information and member feedback of sites we are considering joining or unsubscribing from.
I welcome your opinions on the matter. Please stay on topic. Thank you.
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| QUOTE (StarFire @ May 16 2004, 09:19 PM) |
| I'm opening this thread to discussion about the latest boycotted site AYS as well as to continue talking about whether or not GPTBoycott.com is viable considering the latest events. The site is run by volunteers and whatever donations come in, it is my opinion that requiring the site to spend time, effort and money to "investigate" each submission for accuracy requiring documentation, email, phone calls, screenshots, snailmail, etc. would place financial stress on the site. It is easier said than done to hunt down, pursue, talk to, determine, investigate each complaint for each site. I don't believe they have the resources to provide what some people are asking of them and it isn't a PTR governmental regulatory site, it's just a venue used by many to find information and member feedback of sites we are considering joining or unsubscribing from. I welcome your opinions on the matter. Please stay on topic. Thank you. |
Well, if they don't have the time to investigate, then they should close the forum down.
I don't know how much simpler I can make this - let me put it this way:
You own a restaraunt. Your cook drops a glass, and some glass gets in a plate. He doesn't see it. A customer cuts himself. That customer spreads the word around that you serve glass in your food. No one goes to your restaurant. One the word of that one person and his friends. It was a one time accident.
Same thing for AYS - but in this case we have people who were deleted because they did not abide by the tos. It the site was boycotted on lies, just as your restaurant was "boycotted" because of a lie (glass in all the meals).
I, and many others, have pointed out the lies by the disgruntled clickers. But GPTB doesn't seem to want to do anything about it - yes, they SAY they are reviewing the whole process, but I don't see AYS off the boycott list, nor do I see an apology from the owners / mods of the site for posting erroneous information received from disgruntled clickers.
Why don't you go over to the AYS forum and read the last two instances of where Linder reinstated someone's account? One person was deleted for having two accounts - he proved fraud - someone from another forum had sent him a password logger, and used it it gain access to his account.
Another person was deleted for inactivity. He posted in the forum that he was sick in the hospital - and was able to provide LInder with documentation. That person's account was also reinstated. There are quite a few instances of where Linder reinstated accounts to honest members that had circumstances that were beyond their control.
GPTB needs to 'fix' their way of boycottting sites. They need to stop boycotting based on liars, cheaters and scammers.
Cheryl
vparalegal, I leave just one message for you...
Patience is a virtue
I suggest you look at the GPTBoycott Forum later today.
Rob
Patience is a virtue
I suggest you look at the GPTBoycott Forum later today.
Rob
| QUOTE |
| Rob? Administrator? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: England Posts: 961 ? ? AYS Boycott Lifted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Developments regarding the recent boycott of AYS have brought to light serious weaknesses within the boycott process. Whereas, it has been the responsibility of GPTBoycott to report problems within any given program, in the same way problems with AYS were reported via complaints submitted to GPTBoycott.Com, it has become apparent the process itself needs consideration before proceeding with, or continuing, further boycotts. The intent and purpose of a boycott is to allow persons to make informed decisions regarding certain programs. In the case of AYS, complaints and various forum threads were reviewed to validate the existence of problems within the program; however, the vast majority of those affected by the program are satisfied with its performance and their voices must be heard, as well. The boycott of AYS will be lifted, effective immediately, and we apologize to its staff and members for any inconvenience caused. GPTBoycott would like to express our regret about recent events, but also state that we remain concerned by long waiting times for payments by AYS, as well as the use of cheat links to debit accounts substantially, and so will monitor closely the events which take place in the near future. GPTBoycott's aim is to inform to the best of our knowledge, and to steer users away from dishonest companies. Similarly, no boycott is ever undertaken by GPTBoycott.Com for malicious purposes. The purpose of this boycott was not to offend, nor to settle any personal grudges, but to call attention to the issues raised by our complainants, and to voice their fears and opinions. We still hope to see improvements regarding the highlighted issues at AYS, and are glad to see the company seems to be taking positive action to correct these problems. We look forward to monitoring the future progress within the get-paid world, and boycotting programs only after they have been through our revised boycott procedure. Regards, The Staff, GPTBoycott.Com . http://www.gptboycott.com/ays.php __________________ Co-Founder, GPTBoycott.Com, CEO, E-MailEarnings.Com. |
| QUOTE (Rob @ May 16 2004, 09:43 PM) |
| vparalegal, I leave just one message for you... Patience is a virtue I suggest you look at the GPTBoycott Forum later today. Rob |
I saw it this morning, Rob - thank you
Cheryl
If anything, I think this episode has made GPTB even more viable than ever before. Why? That's simple -- it's because the Admin. of GPTB have proven that they DO listen to others and that they ARE willing to evaluate themselves and admit it when they find internal mistakes or problems as well as do whatever it takes to make sure they don't happen again.
Also - they have proven they are willing to go up against the "big guys" even if that means going against popular opinion when they believe it is justified.
Finally, unlike many people and organizations of any type - GPTB has the guts to stand up and say "We were wrong."
Anyone willing to admit an error and accept responsibility for that error has my full respect and support!
Also - they have proven they are willing to go up against the "big guys" even if that means going against popular opinion when they believe it is justified.
Finally, unlike many people and organizations of any type - GPTB has the guts to stand up and say "We were wrong."
Anyone willing to admit an error and accept responsibility for that error has my full respect and support!
| QUOTE (the lil crusader @ May 16 2004, 12:39 PM) |
| If anything, I think this episode has made GPTB even more viable than ever before. Why? That's simple -- it's because the Admin. of GPTB have proven that they DO listen to others and that they ARE willing to evaluate themselves and admit it when they find internal mistakes or problems as well as do whatever it takes to make sure they don't happen again. Also - they have proven they are willing to go up against the "big guys" even if that means going against popular opinion when they believe it is justified. Finally, unlike many people and organizations of any type - GPTB has the guts to stand up and say "We were wrong." Anyone willing to admit an error and accept responsibility for that error has my full respect and support! |
could not have said it better lil crusader
dee
| QUOTE (the lil crusader @ May 17 2004, 02:39 AM) |
| If anything, I think this episode has made GPTB even more viable than ever before. Why? That's simple -- it's because the Admin. of GPTB have proven that they DO listen to others and that they ARE willing to evaluate themselves and admit it when they find internal mistakes or problems as well as do whatever it takes to make sure they don't happen again. Also - they have proven they are willing to go up against the "big guys" even if that means going against popular opinion when they believe it is justified. Finally, unlike many people and organizations of any type - GPTB has the guts to stand up and say "We were wrong." Anyone willing to admit an error and accept responsibility for that error has my full respect and support! |
If they can show me that they will check it all out like they just did when they reviewed AYS, I would pay attention to what is said about programs in this forum.
BUT - they'd have to investigate all the complaints. All it takes is an email to the admin of a program stating that so and so put a complaint in, what is your side, and if the admin can show just cause like Linder does, well,then, I'd say the complaint is valid.
An email for each complaint should go out to the admin - maybe by autoresponder or something.
Cheryl
I'm not sure that we need 15 different threads going on about the same topic... 
I don't even understand why this topic was started in the first place GPTB has a viable function which is being updated and changing as we speak It has a few glitches and some refining to do as anything does!! Nothing is perfect!! 
If you know of one that claims to be let me know I'll be very interested!!
If you know of one that claims to be let me know I'll be very interested!!
GPTBoycott is a very noble site. See, I hate these complaints about them because I DON'T SEE ANY OF YOU STARTING A SITE TO INFORM OTHERS ABOUT SCAMS!? Stop complaining! If you don't like them, start your own! Oh wait, we just complain these days. 
I am not a member of GPTB, so I'll post this here:
Rob thank you so much for lifting the boycott on AYS. Your main concern of overlong waits for payments is valid, but as you have noted yourself, improvements in that area have begun. Long waits or not, the program does pay, and that is a very big plus for AYS.
Some good came from this boycott, as you said, revisions to your methods
are being made. 'Tis an ill wind blows no one good.
+Blessings,
+Deety+
Rob thank you so much for lifting the boycott on AYS. Your main concern of overlong waits for payments is valid, but as you have noted yourself, improvements in that area have begun. Long waits or not, the program does pay, and that is a very big plus for AYS.
Some good came from this boycott, as you said, revisions to your methods
are being made. 'Tis an ill wind blows no one good.
+Blessings,
+Deety+
I am sure glad this was not a trial with GPTB as the attorney. The client would have fried in the chair for sure. I thought hearsay was not admissable - why do you use it?
| QUOTE (Deety @ May 17 2004, 02:20 AM) |
| Some good came from this boycott, as you said, revisions to your methods are being made. |
Revisions to their methods was the only good that came of this, you're right. Because AYS was not willing to:
1. Acknowledge wrongdoing
2. Answer Rob or Ron in this forum when invited
3. Update payment schedule to reflect 3 month delay instead of 6 months
4. Assist GPTB with complaint verification
Yes, you're absolutely right, the only good coming from this is that GPTB will have a stronger system in place in the future to perhaps stand their ground when confronted and attacked for wanting to do the right thing.
| QUOTE (BeachBabe @ May 17 2004, 03:20 AM) |
| I am sure glad this was not a trial with GPTB as the attorney. The client would have fried in the chair for sure. I thought hearsay was not admissable - why do you use it? |
If a person were to file a complaint with GPTB that said something to the effect of they had been waiting since (insert date) to receive payment and that the timeframe was well past the stated Terms, what is there about that that would be considered hearsay?
It would only be hearsay if person A made a complaint based on things told him by person B (as in 'B told me he's been waiting 8 months and I don't think that's fair'). Anything directly involving person A, though, is not hearsay.
A complaint based on personal experience is as admissable on GPTB as it is with the Better Business Bureau -- they don't do in-depth investigations to check out complaints against companies (unless the # rec'd is above-normal). They primarily maintain a database and if someone calls them to check on a company, they look it up and let them know if there have been complaints made against it. It's up to the consumer to decide what to do with that info and make a decision whether or not to do business with the company based on what others have said were their personal experiences.
It's also a lot like the rating system on e-Bay -- you look at others' comments about a buyer/seller, if any, and then make a decision as to whether or not you want to do business with them.
| QUOTE (StarFire @ May 17 2004, 06:32 AM) | ||
Revisions to their methods was the only good that came of this, you're right. Because AYS was not willing to: 1. Acknowledge wrongdoing 2. Answer Rob or Ron in this forum when invited 3. Update payment schedule to reflect 3 month delay instead of 6 months 4. Assist GPTB with complaint verification Yes, you're absolutely right, the only good coming from this is that GPTB will have a stronger system in place in the future to perhaps stand their ground when confronted and attacked for wanting to do the right thing. |
Hmmm..
"3. Update payment schedule to reflect 3 month delay instead of 6 months"
Perhaps that should be rewriten as;
3. Update payment schedule to reflect 6 month delay instead of 3 months
Yep, ty
REVISION
It's going to be interesting to see what sort of changes GPTB makes in the coming days and weeks. While this whole episode has been pretty unpleasant, I agree that some good has come from it since it did obviously expose some flaws in GPTB's system. I've got confidence that Ron and Rob will make the changes necessary to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again.
But now that GPTB has admitted their own shortcomings, I wonder if the same is true for AYS. Are they willing to reflect upon their own shortcomings and are current members truly content with things as they are now or would you honestly like to see changes within that program as well? I'm mainly thinking in terms of things such as, more timely payments or at the very least a "payment status" notice of some type on the program's home page. This would both keep current members up-to-date as to where they might be in the waiting process AND alert potential new members of the delays that should be expected once they reach payout (kind of like interstate warning signs that tell you miles in advance that there is road construction ahead and traffic delays should be expected - warnings given so that you can take an alternate route if you want to avoid this likely delay).
Speaking as a nonmember, I'd love to see an addition like this to ALL programs' home pages, not just AYS'.
It's going to be interesting to see what sort of changes GPTB makes in the coming days and weeks. While this whole episode has been pretty unpleasant, I agree that some good has come from it since it did obviously expose some flaws in GPTB's system. I've got confidence that Ron and Rob will make the changes necessary to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again.
But now that GPTB has admitted their own shortcomings, I wonder if the same is true for AYS. Are they willing to reflect upon their own shortcomings and are current members truly content with things as they are now or would you honestly like to see changes within that program as well? I'm mainly thinking in terms of things such as, more timely payments or at the very least a "payment status" notice of some type on the program's home page. This would both keep current members up-to-date as to where they might be in the waiting process AND alert potential new members of the delays that should be expected once they reach payout (kind of like interstate warning signs that tell you miles in advance that there is road construction ahead and traffic delays should be expected - warnings given so that you can take an alternate route if you want to avoid this likely delay).
Speaking as a nonmember, I'd love to see an addition like this to ALL programs' home pages, not just AYS'.
| QUOTE (the lil crusader @ May 17 2004, 03:23 PM) |
| Instead of asking if more should be expected of GPTB, I wonder why no one has started a thread asking if more should be expected of AYS such as, more timely payments or at least a "payment status" notice of some type on the program's home page to keep current members up-to-date as to where they might be in the waiting process AND alert potential new members of the delays that should be expected once they reach payout (kind of like interstate warning signs that tell you miles in advance that there is road construction ahead and traffic delays should be expected - warnings given so that you can take an alternate route if you want to avoid this likely delay). |
I opened this thread the other day after "Timmy" had succeeded in getting a couple other ones closed. A little while later, Rob announced in GD that the boycott had been lifted.
No use now, I guess. I'm "beating a dead horse". Of course, WE could have said THAT when they were all freaking out about the boycott, right?
Oh yes, apparently I'm bitter, too. <shrug>
StarFire: I just re-read my previous post and realized that the way I started it sounds like I was criticizing you for this thread.....I'm really sorry for that because that's not the meaning I intended to convey. I didn't choose my words very well, though unfortunately.
I'm going to go back and reword that opening sentence now to see if I can get rid of that implication.
I really am sorry.
EDITED TO ADD: Being the wordy sort that I am, once I got started revising the first sentence, I ended up changing my previous post entirely......the main idea is still there, but I can never seem to express myself in just a few words.
StarFire: I hope the new version properly shows what I was thinking and doesn't sound like a criticism of you and this thread.
I'm going to go back and reword that opening sentence now to see if I can get rid of that implication.
I really am sorry.
EDITED TO ADD: Being the wordy sort that I am, once I got started revising the first sentence, I ended up changing my previous post entirely......the main idea is still there, but I can never seem to express myself in just a few words.
StarFire: I hope the new version properly shows what I was thinking and doesn't sound like a criticism of you and this thread.
| QUOTE (the lil crusader @ May 17 2004, 01:23 PM) |
| REVISION It's going to be interesting to see what sort of changes GPTB makes in the coming days and weeks.? While this whole episode has been pretty unpleasant, I agree that some good has come from it since it did obviously expose some flaws in GPTB's system.? I've got confidence that Ron and Rob will make the changes necessary to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again.? But now that GPTB has admitted their own shortcomings, I wonder if the same is true for AYS.? Are they willing to reflect upon their own shortcomings and are current members truly content with things as they are now or would you honestly like to see changes within that program as well?? I'm mainly thinking in terms of things such as, more timely payments or at the very least a "payment status" notice of some type on the program's home page.? This would both keep current members up-to-date as to where they might be in the waiting process AND alert potential new members of the delays that should be expected once they reach payout (kind of like interstate warning signs that tell you miles in advance that there is road construction ahead and traffic delays should be expected - warnings given so that you can take an alternate route if you want to avoid this likely delay). Speaking as a nonmember, I'd love to see an addition like this to ALL programs' home pages, not just AYS'. |
QUOTE "I'm mainly thinking in terms of things such as, more timely payments or at the very least a "payment status" notice of some type on the program's home page. This would both keep current members up-to-date as to where they might be in the waiting process AND alert potential new members of the delays that should be expected once they reach payout (kind of like interstate warning signs that tell you miles in advance that there is road construction ahead and traffic delays should be expected - warnings given so that you can take an alternate route if you want to avoid this likely delay).
Speaking as a nonmember, I'd love to see an addition like this to ALL programs' home pages, not just AYS'. " END OF QUOTE
Yep..
And as you point out.. that information should be readily and easily available to a potential member even before they sign up. It is no use to find out negative information at more than the half way point of no return because then a member is caught in a physcological (spell) limbo. Quit and lose all or continue and get paid 6 months after CashOut or not get paid at all.
As it stands today, information can be found, but that information is hidden or difficult to find. And when the previously unsuspecting member complains, that membeer get attacked for not knowing enough to find what they have gotten themselves into. What have they gotten themselves into? The PTR Meat Grinder.. Newbies are there for the taking. Without them (bnewbies) no HOT POTATOE and no excessively late payer could exist. The PTR world as we know it today would lose 80% of active clickers and the frauds would be reduced by 90% also. But certain individuals with personal agendas/interests really wouldn't want to see that happen..
Why would they.. this is their special "goose that lays all those little golden eggs".
<edited spacing added Why would they..>
Thanks Pam
| QUOTE (doublet @ May 17 2004, 04:20 PM) |
| As it stands today, information can be found, but that information is hidden or difficult to find. And when the previously unsuspecting member complains, that membeer get attacked for not knowing enough to find what they have gotten themselves into. What have they gotten themselves into? The PTR Meat Grinder |
Bullseye.
| QUOTE (the lil crusader @ May 16 2004, 12:39 PM) |
| If anything, I think this episode has made GPTB even more viable than ever before. Why? That's simple -- it's because the Admin. of GPTB have proven that they DO listen to others and that they ARE willing to evaluate themselves and admit it when they find internal mistakes or problems as well as do whatever it takes to make sure they don't happen again. Also - they have proven they are willing to go up against the "big guys" even if that means going against popular opinion when they believe it is justified. Finally, unlike many people and organizations of any type - GPTB has the guts to stand up and say "We were wrong." Anyone willing to admit an error and accept responsibility for that error has my full respect and support! |
what "error"??? rob posted that even tho the original 10 complaints..which many of us admit were stupid...the original 10 were not that "strong' that he felt the program should be boycotted for its LONG PAYOUT PERIOD..5 TO 6 MO...WHICH DOES NOT SEEM TO BE GETTING ANY BETTER
jUST THAT FACT alone should mean it is listed...perhaps not as "boycott" but put on a "watch out" list..
In fact, simply listing sites that are behind on payments, that have changed tos, changed wm etc would be a bigger help than what gptboycott does...
a lot of times it is more important to see the "changes" and problems ...many of these programs do these things before they make their "exit"....after they close/sell/hot potato it is too late...better to warn of "problem areas" before it is too late..
JMO...ays is wayyyy overdue in payments, looking at their ad prices you can see they are having problems....no matter how loud the cheerleading gets
AYS should be boycoted!They don't pay and when questioned they just delete your account! I applaud all the webmasters who refuse to take ads for their fraud site!!!!
| QUOTE (gulf4caster @ May 18 2004, 08:09 AM) |
| AYS should be boycoted! They don't pay and when questioned they just delete your account! I applaud all the webmasters who refuse to take ads for their fraud site!!!! |
And your userid at AYS would be?
Hmmm.... bet you don't say, seeing your stats here look like this:
Total Cumulative Posts 47
( 0.00% of total forum posts )
Posts per day 0.2
Joined 30-August 03
Most active in Complaints
31 posts in this forum
( 66% of this member's active posts )
User's local time May 18 2004, 10:07 AM
Bet you got something bad to say about every program you are in ......
Cheryl
| QUOTE (vparalegal @ May 17 2004, 08:09 PM) | ||
And your userid at AYS would be? Hmmm.... bet you don't say, seeing your stats here look like this: Total Cumulative Posts 47 ( 0.00% of total forum posts ) Posts per day 0.2 Joined 30-August 03 Most active in Complaints 31 posts in this forum ( 66% of this member's active posts ) User's local time May 18 2004, 10:07 AM Bet you got something bad to say about every program you are in ...... Cheryl |
I dont think you have any right to question people as to what programs they do or do not post about...what is with looking at their 'stats">> I have not seen you before, so should I post your stats??
and...the old line of "you arent in the program" etc has gotten really weary...
this is a general discussion forum, not a private forum for members of any one site..so anyone can post here about any program...not just the "members'...there are member forums for that..
and anyhow...use the logical thinking they surely teach you if you are studying law, even at the paralegal level....what does being a "member" have to do with anything?? Is it an earned membership...like Phi beta kappa?? Or a membership that one must take a test for...like mensa?? Or a membership where you are voted in...like a sorority or fraternity?? Or a membership you pay for....golf club, health club, country club....etc...
no...you signup...mostly on the same script...and reply to the email, pick a password and boom...you are a member LOL>>
So since most of us here understand the basics of these programs, which are pretty much alike, we can see the differences, in prices, payments, tos, rules, regs, the way it is run and that is what we discuss..
asking in each thread on the "general" board about who is or is not a member is really not needed I think....this is general discussion, not "members only"...
Maybe GPTB should use the BBB way of deciding what is bad or good. I am sure if you call them they will tell you how the process works and how to make it work for the site.
Just a thought..
GPTBoycott.com should merge with the GPF. But that may not be possible.
Perhaps the next best suggestion would be to have the GPTBoycott.com link prominently displayed at the GPF. Also the Sustainablitry rating site cashcrusader.
That would allow for easier access to both enter and retrieve available information about PTR standings.
That would cut much of the fragmentation that exists in the present PTR complaints environment.
<edited: added cashcrusader>
GPTBoycott.com should merge with the GPF. But that may not be possible.
Perhaps the next best suggestion would be to have the GPTBoycott.com link prominently displayed at the GPF. Also the Sustainablitry rating site cashcrusader.
That would allow for easier access to both enter and retrieve available information about PTR standings.
That would cut much of the fragmentation that exists in the present PTR complaints environment.
<edited: added cashcrusader>
Who appointed them "god" over PTR anyway?
| QUOTE (BeachBabe @ May 18 2004, 08:57 AM) |
| Who appointed them "god" over PTR anyway? |
That position is open..
Do you accept......?
I found 2 alternatives to GBPT today - they came in a paid mail
I like this one it has LOTS of skin choices & smilies
** cough cough **
** cough cough **
I like this one it has LOTS of skin choices & smilies
** cough cough **
** cough cough **
| QUOTE (BeachBabe @ May 18 2004, 02:02 PM) |
| I found 2 alternatives to GBPT today - they came in a paid mail? I like this one it has LOTS of skin choices & smilies ** cough cough ** ** cough cough ** |
I don't think either of those are really "alternatives" to GPTB -- they are just two additional forums that happen to exist amongst the many in the PTR world. (IMO an alternative would be something that is a viable substitute for something else.)
The first one does have nice skins and a lot of smilies, but it's private, not public like GPTB is. If you aren't a member of at least one of a certain group of programs or even if you are in one or more of those programs but happen to be on the list of people the owner doesn't happen to like, you are not allowed in.
The second one is public - I'm even a general moderator there - but again, it's not really what I would call an alternative to GPTB in any way. It's primarily for live auctions and support for the previously mentioned group of programs -- it's not a big gathering place for all sorts of people with a wide range of opinions and viewpoints like GPTB is.
ADDED: Just curious, if you only found both forums today, how could you possibly know yet whether or not you like them?
| QUOTE (BeachBabe @ May 18 2004, 02:02 PM) |
| I found 2 alternatives to GBPT today - they came in a paid mail I like this one it has LOTS of skin choices & smilies ** cough cough ** ** cough cough ** |
Hm.. I wouldn't call a forum where you can get deleted/get your posts deleted, if the WM doesn't like you/what you say. And if you like those places, maybe you shouldn't be posting here, since we ARE the EVIL FORUM!
For those that may not know any better, this person BeachBabe seems to be running from thread to thread posting these links which go to Evelyn Turner's copycat forums.
| QUOTE (starrlyte @ May 18 2004, 02:19 PM) | ||
Hm.. I wouldn't call a forum where you can get deleted/get your posts deleted, if the WM doesn't like you/what you say. And if you like those places, maybe you shouldn't be posting here, since we ARE the EVIL FORUM! |
Good point starrlyte....I'd forgotten about that part (being the "evil forum"
)
Also, I believe the links are spam due to listing member IDs. Hopefully a Mod will delete all links.
Thank you surfjunky.....you da man!
Yes, thank you Surfjunky!
I love it when SurfJunky edits posts for spam.
lol, agreed - you don't need to read the "edited by" line to known when Surfjunky has been on the job!
LMFAO@Surfjunky!!!!!!!
I have to add my two cents here even though this is an aged thread, to bad they lifted the boycott on ays, my account was deleted when i was almost at the $50 payout, and I didn't think that I violated the terms. I was potty, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt. So when my wife said she was going to join them I didn't warn her off, well she made it to 49 and some change and guess what happened? yep, deleted, a friend I work with told me one night he was doing ays and was in the $30 range and I told him let me know if they pay you, I have had some problems with them. Few months later he guess what he told me......hmmm need a slide rule for this one??? AYS may not be on the boycott.com list anymore , but they will remain on mine perminantly.
also I agree very much with this statement from the lil crusader.........
"A complaint based on personal experience is as admissable on GPTB as it is with the Better Business Bureau -- they don't do in-depth investigations to check out complaints against companies (unless the # rec'd is above-normal). They primarily maintain a database and if someone calls them to check on a company, they look it up and let them know if there have been complaints made against it. It's up to the consumer to decide what to do with that info and make a decision whether or not to do business with the company based on what others have said were their personal experiences.
It's also a lot like the rating system on e-Bay -- you look at others' comments about a buyer/seller, if any, and then make a decision as to whether or not you want to do business with them."
A rating sys like ebays would to me seem to be the most efficient way to rate these sites so people can make informed choices and sites live and die by thier ability to live up to thier promises and please thier consumers..
also I agree very much with this statement from the lil crusader.........
"A complaint based on personal experience is as admissable on GPTB as it is with the Better Business Bureau -- they don't do in-depth investigations to check out complaints against companies (unless the # rec'd is above-normal). They primarily maintain a database and if someone calls them to check on a company, they look it up and let them know if there have been complaints made against it. It's up to the consumer to decide what to do with that info and make a decision whether or not to do business with the company based on what others have said were their personal experiences.
It's also a lot like the rating system on e-Bay -- you look at others' comments about a buyer/seller, if any, and then make a decision as to whether or not you want to do business with them."
A rating sys like ebays would to me seem to be the most efficient way to rate these sites so people can make informed choices and sites live and die by thier ability to live up to thier promises and please thier consumers..
| QUOTE (StarFire @ May 16 2004, 08:19 AM) |
| I'm opening this thread to discussion about the latest boycotted site AYS as well as to continue talking about whether or not GPTBoycott.com is viable considering the latest events. The site is run by volunteers and whatever donations come in, it is my opinion that requiring the site to spend time, effort and money to "investigate" each submission for accuracy requiring documentation, email, phone calls, screenshots, snailmail, etc. would place financial stress on the site. It is easier said than done to hunt down, pursue, talk to, determine, investigate each complaint for each site. I don't believe they have the resources to provide what some people are asking of them and it isn't a PTR governmental regulatory site, it's just a venue used by many to find information and member feedback of sites we are considering joining or unsubscribing from. I welcome your opinions on the matter. Please stay on topic. Thank you. |
if they cant afford to run the site proper then they should close it who cares if they are volunteers they knew what they was to take on when they started it i think they should do the proper job before talking about a site that may or may not be a scam.
| QUOTE (bizoppguy @ May 20 2004, 03:54 PM) | ||
if they cant afford to run the site proper then they should close it who cares if they are volunteers they knew what they was to take on when they started it i think they should do the proper job before talking about a site that may or may not be a scam. |
It is better than nothing.
What do you propose as a alternative.
Nothing..
Isn't that.. uh.. something.
<edited: added Isn't that..>
| QUOTE (the lil crusader @ May 18 2004, 02:19 PM) | ||
I don't think either of those are really "alternatives" to GPTB -- they are just two additional forums that happen to exist amongst the many in the PTR world. (IMO an alternative would be something that is a viable substitute for something else.) The first one does have nice skins and a lot of smilies, but it's private, not public like GPTB is. If you aren't a member of at least one of a certain group of programs or even if you are in one or more of those programs but happen to be on the list of people the owner doesn't happen to like, you are not allowed in. The second one is public - I'm even a general moderator there - but again, it's not really what I would call an alternative to GPTB in any way. It's primarily for live auctions and support for the previously mentioned group of programs -- it's not a big gathering place for all sorts of people with a wide range of opinions and viewpoints like GPTB is. ADDED: Just curious, if you only found both forums today, how could you possibly know yet whether or not you like them? |
How do I make that image appear? That is so cute
Well folks, I will admit he made some money or did not have to pay me, as I found myself deleted.
I am positive I logged in within the 14 day period. He took over $43 from me, and it took me since Oct. of last year to earn it.
My husband died just a week ago today. So of course I was not able to log in last week. I'm even surprised that I am here today.
Do I have proof? Well I don't have a death certificate those don't come for at least 2 weeks. Scan the funeral annoucement from the newspaper you say!
Ahhhhh! My scanner, I cannot get it to work, but you can be darn sure I've tried.
So whatever happened to the honest members words? It does not make any difference that I was a honest member of his for almost 1 1/2 years. It does not matter that it took 1 year to earn $50, and then I patiently awaited my check to come in the mail for nearly 5 months. It does not matter that I made a point, to send him an email from support and especially take the time out of MY BUSY WEBMASTER schedule to thank him for paying me. None of that matters!
And now that I have commented, I'll probably get deleted again for saying something in the forum. Yes, I resigned back up, same user name, and already have a referral.
Go ahead, delete me, next time I'll not be so nice as to mentioned that I even got paid, and that you make every effort to keep your website free of cheaters. And yes you do have a heart, I'm just not seeing it right now, but I have seen it a couple of times in the past.
I rejoined because I KNOW you PAY, Because I need Christmas money this year because we just lost our main source of income, and I have 2 teenage boys to raise and a PTR of my own to manage.
So, at least this one pays folks. He does not email you with a sour remark that he just does not have the money. And there are some out their that respond: me no have no money! And you keep on a clickin!
I've said enough. And to those of you that spotlighted me and my personal loss in this forum, Maybe one day you will lose somebody. Just pray that NOBODY doubts your words. I never in my wildest nightmares thought I'd see that 8 pages of nonsense. But I did. 80% was supportive, the rest would have been better to stick a sock in it.
Good Evening.
I am positive I logged in within the 14 day period. He took over $43 from me, and it took me since Oct. of last year to earn it.
My husband died just a week ago today. So of course I was not able to log in last week. I'm even surprised that I am here today.
Do I have proof? Well I don't have a death certificate those don't come for at least 2 weeks. Scan the funeral annoucement from the newspaper you say!
Ahhhhh! My scanner, I cannot get it to work, but you can be darn sure I've tried.
So whatever happened to the honest members words? It does not make any difference that I was a honest member of his for almost 1 1/2 years. It does not matter that it took 1 year to earn $50, and then I patiently awaited my check to come in the mail for nearly 5 months. It does not matter that I made a point, to send him an email from support and especially take the time out of MY BUSY WEBMASTER schedule to thank him for paying me. None of that matters!
And now that I have commented, I'll probably get deleted again for saying something in the forum. Yes, I resigned back up, same user name, and already have a referral.
Go ahead, delete me, next time I'll not be so nice as to mentioned that I even got paid, and that you make every effort to keep your website free of cheaters. And yes you do have a heart, I'm just not seeing it right now, but I have seen it a couple of times in the past.
I rejoined because I KNOW you PAY, Because I need Christmas money this year because we just lost our main source of income, and I have 2 teenage boys to raise and a PTR of my own to manage.
So, at least this one pays folks. He does not email you with a sour remark that he just does not have the money. And there are some out their that respond: me no have no money! And you keep on a clickin!
I've said enough. And to those of you that spotlighted me and my personal loss in this forum, Maybe one day you will lose somebody. Just pray that NOBODY doubts your words. I never in my wildest nightmares thought I'd see that 8 pages of nonsense. But I did. 80% was supportive, the rest would have been better to stick a sock in it.
Good Evening.
| QUOTE (sweetthang @ May 23 2004, 09:58 PM) |
| Well folks, I will admit he made some money or did not have to pay me, as I found myself deleted. I am positive I logged in within the 14 day period. He took over $43 from me, and it took me since Oct. of last year to earn it. My husband died just a week ago today. So of course I was not able to log in last week. I'm even surprised that I am here today. Do I have proof? Well I don't have a death certificate those don't come for at least 2 weeks. Scan the funeral annoucement from the newspaper you say! Ahhhhh! My scanner, I cannot get it to work, but you can be darn sure I've tried. So whatever happened to the honest members words? It does not make any difference that I was a honest member of his for almost 1 1/2 years. It does not matter that it took 1 year to earn $50, and then I patiently awaited my check to come in the mail for nearly 5 months. It does not matter that I made a point, to send him an email from support and especially take the time out of MY BUSY WEBMASTER schedule to thank him for paying me. None of that matters! And now that I have commented, I'll probably get deleted again for saying something in the forum. Yes, I resigned back up, same user name, and already have a referral. Go ahead, delete me, next time I'll not be so nice as to mentioned that I even got paid, and that you make every effort to keep your website free of cheaters. And yes you do have a heart, I'm just not seeing it right now, but I have seen it a couple of times in the past. I rejoined because I KNOW you PAY, Because I need Christmas money this year because we just lost our main source of income, and I have 2 teenage boys to raise and a PTR of my own to manage. So, at least this one pays folks. He does not email you with a sour remark that he just does not have the money. And there are some out their that respond: me no have no money! And you keep on a clickin! I've said enough. And to those of you that spotlighted me and my personal loss in this forum, Maybe one day you will lose somebody. Just pray that NOBODY doubts your words. I never in my wildest nightmares thought I'd see that 8 pages of nonsense. But I did. 80% was supportive, the rest would have been better to stick a sock in it. Good Evening. |
Please email him.
He is not a bad person and I would bet he would listen to what you have to say,.
IT might be better to post in his forum with your situation.
My prayers go out to you and yours.
It would seem that a website such as gptb - which has admitted flaws with their decision making process on ONE site would see that the same flaws were in place with ALL of the sites the chose to list. Would it not be fair to remove ALL of the "boycotted" sites until each is reviewed for accuracy and CURRENT information? That would seem to be the logical and fair solution to this problem.
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