2 links in 1 email....


a CLEAR NOTE at the top of the mail...


A subject line that SAYS IT ALL.....


We are a PAID TO READ not a paid to click.


I will be sending these types of links at all my sites and at any given time, Im sorry that I have to do this but our advertisiers need READERS not just clickers.


The "MANIAC"

We are paid to READ, not the whole words of email.

Nonsense~~

Can you swear that you read each words of all emails ????

did you click them both?

*smirks* What if I do?

But my point is that you don't need to read every word in the email to get the gist of what THIS email is talking about. There was no hidden words or hidden meaning. Straight out clearly saying that it was to test if we're reading or not.

Unless you skipped the whole paragraph AND the line right above the links, then I guess you're royally screwed. But that also proves that you didn't read more than 5 words in the whole email.

...veryone will notice that something is wrong but cheat software would not detact it.

Some saying there that ppl must read ... Yes, I agree, but there is many methods of reading. I want to know who actually read every word in email? I see text and I see if there is somethig what could interest me...

To receive credit (money/ points) for reading the mail Thought it was easy enough to figure ROFL

This is just answer I wanted to get If you have nothing say, just say nothing

edit to add:
Enchanted, if we have to click only to get credit there shouldn't be timers

Sorry, realized you did not quote me. The person would have posted a smiley because he found your question humorous

Yes, I realized that

Sometimes, WM's use very, very tricky ads and in that case - and ONLY in that case - I think it's fair to post it here. I saw some unfair cheat links in some programs and some members came here and they were right.
In this particular case, I don't see what's the problem with the links

Cheat Software would recognize and ignore any links in an email worded jhust like that. Why? Cheat software is not human beings but software programmed to look for patterns of letters, programmed to look for the word cheat it would recognize the word in any form.

Please learn more about how these things have already been discovered to detect such things before you make blind assumptions.

This is the very reason why PO's who use cheat links must be so careful and word things in new ways that are clear to understand and read easily by all without using the common words, phrases that make it easy to detect.

I am not bashing you just frustrated that yet another member has grand ideas but fails to do any research. This has been debated, discussed, disected in this very forum more times than I care to imagine and they are still out there.

s for the non-english readers who just slide by, they too can learn to recognize that word in all it's forms and ignore it. Does that mean they understand english? No.

How about the members who just click but don't even skim ads? Sure they can skip those emails too because it catches their attention BUT when an honest PO tries to be different and fair at the same time is when we hear... it's not fair, it's tricky. What is tricky about explaining clearly what the email is and why you need to simply delete it? Is it because you skip the ads and just click? If so, then these emails will cath you as they are intended to.

JMO, take it or leave it but thanks for letting me say my piece on the subject.

Patricia

Ok, then why the need for timers? We are getting paid to read the emails and click to show we have read them, why do we HAVE to remain on that webpage for any length of time?

Timers are there to ensure members stay in a site for a specific length of time with the hope that members will browse around the site that is being advertised and support the person who advertised the site. The chances are that if there are no timers, members will not even bother to let the page load before exiting it.

I have read members complaining that there are no timers in some cheat links. I am surprised that there is a question as to why there ARE timers in other ads

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't mind the timers, not by any means.

I just keep reading over and over that we are PAID TO READ....well, duh, I know this, so I read the emails, and click the links and if I am interested in the page the link takes me to, I will then do what needs to be done.

I was just wondering since everyone is stressing so much that this is PAID TO READ, why are we made to sit on a site with a timer? We did our job by reading the email, and clicking to the link to provide *proof* that we read the ad.....

Am I making any sense whatsoever here?

Personally, I don't see why a cheat link should have a timer on it. If the person read the email like they were supposed to do, they wouldn't have to hae a timer there to *save* them....KWIM?

True. But if other ads have timers, not not cheat links?

That's just it, it isn't an ad, it is a cheat link. It is there to catch those not reading, paying attention, etc....

Yes makes sense. But I answered your question as best I can in the post you quoted as to why I felt timers are needed

Yes true. But if I was a PO, I would put a timer in the cheat links, just so that members have one less reason to complain about. Hey at least they got enough time to exit before the timer ran out

Why is it that you almost always end up saying something I wanted to say, in a much better way? ROFL.

Just for that, I am signing up under you in MMM

They pay and I have been paid alot more times than I can even count.

And if you become inactive you wil get deleted so I would make sure you click at least 1 link every so often so you get paid. If you haven't clicked since January I have a feeling you got yourself deleted for inactivity.

I made some reserch and I know ~ how these cheat programs working and how to trich them. Its not so hard to make when honest members wouldnt even notice that there is cheat link in email or, if they notice, they would see its not paid link and would not click. But I would not post nothing about it in public forum.
Actually with most of programs using tricy cheat emails not to find cheat software users but also ppl who didnt read email, its agenst rules! In standart terms it say:

It say mey earn by recieving paid emails and visiting the advertiser websites.
But nowhere in terms it say that member account can be deleted or debited by recieving reading test mails and visiting non reading tracking site.
And in terms it say when account can be deleted:

Here we go, cheat software using can by clasified as inappropriate activity...
So if you cant make cheat link to deact ONLY cheat software users you, you must write in terms about reading testing or you dont have rights to delete members.
I know lot of POs would not like what I write there... but think about it.

Hi,

RonCheneler here and when I have hundreds of emails coming in daily from the sites I belong to not to mention the dozens of bounces I get from members' mailboxes being full or not recognizing my site as being friendly, I do everything I can think of including registering on the infamous AOL so that I can send the member an IM and informing them of the issue. I do this because I care about the members of my site because without them, my site wouldn't exist.

By the same token, I have an obligation to my advertisers to have the best audience I can garner so as to ensure that their ads will be read by those who may be interested in them. I must employ whatever fair means I have at my disposal and one of those methods is using cheat links. These are used so that the advertisers aren't paying for ads which are processed by cheat bots instead of actually being read by humans which is what they want.

It used to be that I found the cheat links and turing numbers to be quite the annoyance and still do for that matter, but when a site said they were going to remove them because that's what the members wanted, I had to take issue with the WM about it. I looked at it objectively and decided the cheat links and turing numbers are there to protect the advertisers from paying too much for an ad that wasn't going to be read. After all, the advertisers know they are paying a certain amount per reader just to look at their ad and they typically only get about a 2% response to the ads. Speaking for myself and like-minded avertisers, I won't buy ads on a site that has no cheat catchers in place.

The first thing I do before reading the ad is to put the Subjects in order so that I can see if there are any that say "Cheat Link" or "Do Not Open" or English Test" which I delete without opening them because I can read American English and that's what I'm paid to do. When one gets past me, and I open it, they are clearly marked in the body of the email in such a way so as to keep the readers as opposed to the blind blink clickers from clicking on the links. As a further measure to give me one last chance, there is a timer on the ad which gives me a last chance to delete it before the timer expires because the WM isn't trying to be mean, they're trying to be fair. They don't want to lose their membership as it's a lot tougher for an honest site to get members than one might imagine. If you don't think that's true, take a look at how slow the honest sites grow and how fast the scam sites grow.

There has been more than a couple times when I didn't pay attention to what I was doing and I'm grateful the WM put a timer on the ad so that I could get myself out of the jam I got myself into by clicking a link I was told not to. I now pay closer attention (sometimes) to the ads which is what I'm paid to do.

While it is true that I'm not a member of Maniac-Mail, I don't exactly know what the email in question said but I do know that I am free to delete my membership at a site if I decide the WM and I have irreconcilable differences concerning their business practices.

In summation, let me just say to those who can read the language of the advertisers and admin of the site, Read Your Email and to those who cannot or will not read the language of the admin and advertisers, anything I say is to you is pointless so I'll say nothing.

Oh, and to those who think they're being sly in their attempt to get me to join their site with a NPA ad and have the paid link be a search, I have no respect for them and I'll neither join their site with their link nor will I do a search for them.

Keep smiling because the light at the end of someone's tunnel may be you,

RonCheneler

I agree that terms should say this and that is why I have had this type of statement in my terms since the day I opened SMC over a year ago.

I do realize that there are some in fact many programs that don't and that is a shame. Every PO has the right to choose to add a clause to their terms covering this or not. However, if it is a standard practice of the industry i don't really see why you should not be expecting it.

With regards to your comments if you know a better way and don't want to post in the forum then would you pm me so that I can learn about it. I want to make it easier to catch the bad guys not harder and if what you have thought of works then I wouldn't be adverse to trying it.

Thank you in advance,

Patricia