Good Morning Everyone!!

I just got up and read the HUGE thread in Praises~sorry I was to late to respond before the topic was closed, I was out of town for a day. (btw Jay used my computor to make reply late last night)

I cannot believe Shadowman has not started a thread here in complaints since he was so fired up about this issue~if one has already been started, I'm sorry, but I looked and could not find one.

There were other issues for the reasons that the two people were deleted from Automatic Cash~~Not just what was said on this forum, they also went around to other forums and screamed scam~per Jay's TOS that will get your account deleted.

This program was started to reward our members from our other programs with a 100% payback for all revenue taken into it~that is the reason we ask that you are already a member of at least one of our other programs (preferably Fancy-Cash LOL j/k)

I AM SO SORRY IT IS NOT LISTED ON THE MAIN PAGE or tos!!!!!!!!!!!!
We were in such a hurry to get it launched, this HUGE piece on info was mistakingly forgotten.

This info will be added to the Main Page and tos soon and will dated.
To anyone who joined and is not a member of one of our other sites is WELCOME to stay~~I apologize again for not stating this in the downline builder. I'm Sorry I'm Sorry I'm Sorry.

I would just like everyone to know that I do have to go to my "real" job today~so if this thread turns "ugly" and I do not reply immediately, it is not because I am scared or ignoring you, I just have to Work to make a living!!!

Thank you Sherry...as usual a total lady.....It was a bit confusing about the belonging to another one of Jays programs...lol.....Luckily I belong to FANCYCASH ......

Shadowman.....had some good points, but got totally carried away and started attacking people personally, which ended up making him look petty.

I too put my 2 cents worth in.......and it was based on what I saw on this forum, not any other...so if there was more to it...sorry.......The only thing I could see was....If anyone questioned jay he would delete you, without a warning......and I could not believe it........But you say these 2 said more in another forum hey?.....Hmmmmmm.....I guess you have your reasons then.

Thanks for coming in here and posting Sherry, and offering an explanation for the prorgam thingy...lol......and appologising for it not being available on the program site itself.

Thanks moonie~~Big big mistake on our part for not having that info set on the mail page and tos, bigger mistake on MY part for not adding it in my description in the downline builder!~that will be resolved soon, dated and timed. So anyone that has joined, that is not a member of our other programs, before this info is put up, we are happy to have!!

Good morning Sherry


I do have one question for you today.


Could you please point us in the direction of these alleged "they also went around to other forums and screamed scam" threads?

Since they have both remained polite to the point of incredulity to many, I find your statement rather a unusual.


Thanks


Cy

i just wanna clear out something about the referal credit thing since i also saw complaints about that! it doesn't have to be the same link for you could receive credit. for every link you click, you get a ref credit for that! hope this clears this up!

quoted from jay
(see this thread http://www.jaydillar.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard...0;t=7837;st=10)

it's on a link by link basis so in all reality you click link A
today and your you have 10 referrals That don't get link A

But they get link B tomorrow because you clicked link A

the previous day you will get downline comission from all those referrals ....

It's basically an activity check (thus the link by link basis)

Yes I understood that part .....One thing I was wondering tho....what happens if on automatic-cash they sell ads by the 100's.....and an ad goes out and it says the first 100 to click get credit........and say there are 10 of these a month, and my referal seems to be an intenet addict and catches all of these, but me, because I work dont get to any of them because the 100 has been met....I am going to be penalised.....The only way to police this is to only sell ads to whole member bases.....Is that how it is set up?

I am not trying to make trouble here, but was trully wondering about this, since titanic rewards bought in the same rule....I believe a lot of programs are bringing this in, so Jays is NOT the only one......and I rekon this question should be addressed.

Thanks in advnace to whoever knows the answer

so far, that is how its setup! only sells email ads for all members so the only diff would be for the ptc's! no smaller email ad packages

*i also live in a diff time zone so for every link that has a minimum, i always end up with the expiry notice

hope you don't mind me putting the link up there jay

HMMMMMMMM complaints
HMmm thinking, thinking thinking

Gee can't think of any

For me this is the fastest growing ptr that I belong to as far as reaching payout. Also thanks to my downline. I it's only been what 2 weeks, give or take and I am already half way to payout.

I belong to all of Jay and Sherry's sites and am proud to be one of their members

they send dang too much emails! my hand hurts! lol!

can't think of any complaint too!

I know Calliope and Surfjunkey for some time now, and I have never saw them posted anything about a program as being a scam. I know the language barrier between Europeans and us Americans are different, and their words over there may not sound harsh, but to us in the US, they are. I don't think Surfjunkey means to call Jay's program a con. Some of our sayings here in the US that we don't think sounds bad, is like vulgar or cussing to them over seas. The issue is the culture difference between the two continents. As for Sophie, she is in Belgium, and her English is not that great because England and US have different styles of English patterns. She may understand England's language better than ours, but it is still the same rules. England don't have the same sayings like we do to exclaim things. Lets say for instance, ###### off which means angry here in the US which is not vulgar. But in England, it is. I got my word ###### off edited over there on Lonesurf. Does anybody understand what I am trying to get at? It could be just a misunderstanding between the two different English speaking people which both sides misunderstand each other.

I thought ###### meant intoxicated in England. ?

And since the praise folder was full of complaints about A-C, I think it's only right that we praise it in this thread. Hooray for AutoMatic-Cash!

Well, ###### could also mean going to the bathroom as well. And we use it here in the US by being ###### at someone meaning being mad or angry. Yes, Jay was ###### off. But, I think when cooler heads prevail, everybody may apologies to each other about what was said. I don't think Surfjunkey meant what he said. Just a little frustrated about what was explained to him which means it could be he did not understand what was said. Me and Surfjunkey is alot alike. Our Scots blood boils when riled up. I know I am in the US, but I have descendents who are Scots, and have one that is famous. That is why I want to keep my head on my shoulder.

Lol, Jay. Yes I do. That is why Lucyfer asked me to watch my language yesterday at your forum.

I say OFF with his head......Just my opinion

Jay or Poncer?


Or maybe Both?? :ph34r:

nuff said

I sure would love to whack Jay's head off every once in awhile!!!

LMAO

Don't make me go there






A Dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste

Shelly~~LMAO~I think it is best niether one of us discuss this anymore!

Maybe in the saloon

ROTFLMFAO!




~

I really need to get a more exciting life than just sitting around here reading this stuff, lol.

Thnx


Cy

Yes Cy. They know both of them are not were not making a big fuss over the whole issue.

You mean because they haven't posted anymore. Why would they after Jay behave
in such a unjust manner to them.

Jay if you grown any yet, you should offer those two their accounts back, apologise, and give them some referal compensation for deleteing their accounts for no just reason.

Jay why do you ask yourself questions? In this thread you have a posting that shows sherrygirl is either your extra account or you have free access to it. Which is the same thing.


http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...2&t=16868&st=30

Ok this is going to be long. So you might want to go get a cup of coffee

First of all I didn't bring this problem to this forum, I mailed privately to the webmaster my concern that I wasn't getting credit for my referral earnings. His reply was

did you do the math and subtract the others
as the referral earnings are dumped in your total line everyone else is getting theirs

I didn't understand this answer and wrote back asking
"I'm sorry i don't understand your reply "subtract what others?"
Your site states

What can I earn through referrals?
1 st = 10%
2 thru 5 = 5% each
I am not receiving 10% from my level 1
Do we not get 10% of our refs clicks on the site? If not why not just say so instead of confusing me with such a cryptic reply )

His 2nd reply was "due the math your earnings are in your total lin e"

So still confused I went to the automatic cash forum and asked if anyone there could help me understand

Posted: Nov. 10 2002,8:29

I have written to Jay twice about my referral earnings, he replies "Do the math, it is in the total" I don't like to bother him again but I am having a job understanding the maths of the referral 10%, can anyone explain please.

My total is $3.65
minus sign-up $2.00 = $1.65 minus my clickthrough $1.59 = 6c minus ref bonus 1c =5c

I only have 1 ref and i know his own earnings (without the bonuses) = $1.31

10% of $1.31 = 13.1c doesn't it? not 5c
I would be grateful if anyone can explain in a way that I can understand

After a couple of posts by others Jay posts

you have to click 100 as many links as your referred or u don't get downline earnings if you didn't click the the same links as them

if your referral clicks link A

and you do not click link A

you do NOT get a downline percentage from that referral for that particular link

also uplines must be 100% as active as their referral or they do not receive and downline comissions from each referral clicks ( under same example as above )

These downline monitoring scripts and percautions have been set into place on all 6 of our sites

To prevent lazyness " No more I don't have 2 click cause I have downline " Crap anymore

I felt this was a totally undeserved answer and it still didn't answer why i didn't get 10% of my referral's clicks, we had both clicked everything on the site however I refrained from answering as I didn't see the point, he was unwilling to accept there might be a problem.
BTW He now states
Quote (shaykedelik @ Nov. 14 2002,9:59)
oh ok! so for every link you click, you get a ref commission even if even if its not the same link, right? like, if you click on 10 links, you get ref commissions from 10 links each of them click? right? or wrong?

Jay: yeah u click link and and your referred clicks a link you get credit ..

Suddenly i am PMd "go look on GPF" and poof I get my account cancelled, while I am typing my post..

I have resisted posting since as it is a total waste of time
with these sort of people, they are right because they say so and no amount of argueing will get you anywhere with them.

Now I come to GPF and am accused of "Not just what was said on this forum, they also went around to other forums and screamed scam~"
First of all I didn't say ANYTHING on this forum prior to being deleted (and that you can check
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...97c77fa12847b52 - http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...8&t=17226&st=30 and I challenge you to show me all these other forums where either SurfJunky or myself screamed SCAM, I have never used the word anywhere and I am only a member at a couple of forums anyway and 1 of those was Automatic cash where anyone can check the truth of what I said above.

I followed the postings in the loooooong thread and many people tried to cloud the issue, calling it a change of TOS, there were no changes to the TOS (in fact it hasn't even been searched & replaced properly) the site stated LEV 1 =10% there was no small print that said "subject to conditions" , , the site still at this moment states LEV1 = 10% still no conditions attached. Then we had the "you can't be a member if you are not already a member" Again this is not in the TOS or FAQ or indeed anywhere on the site, however this has absolutely nothing to do with what happened.

So there you have it: SurfJunky and I were deleted purely and simply because we questioned the scripts in the program, I thought we were being helpful, I was only down a couple of cents but just imagine someone with 100 1st level refs earning 20-30c a day clicking that's $20-$30 a day.....$2-$3 a day referral earnings, it could have been 6 months down the line before it was spotted and imagine the sudden costs then?

Only this morning I received a mail from another webmaster
QUOTE "Its been brought to my attention that the Paid to Click area isn't crediting accounts. First, I'd like to thank the member that let me know this in such a kind manner. Secondly, instead of trying to get tech support to fix it, Ive decided to take down the paid to click banners and upgrade the program etc etc"

This person was called kind and thanked for helping the webmaster!!!!

SurfJunky and I tried to do the right thing and all we got was public humiliation

Since I started typing this a few things have changed
I see Sherry has made an apology for all that has happened, thankyou Sherry though I don't think anyone here will see it over there and will continue to think your statement in the first post re our behaviour is true

And I'm informed the TOS has now changed, though again that has nothing to do with this matter

All I was seeking was a confirmation of HOW the referral credits worked as having tested it with my upline, it was clear that she did not appear to be getting the appropriate credits for my actions. And yes, we were both clicking 100%.

I did not get abusive, I did not slate off anyone, in fact, if anyone had actually taken the time to read my posting elsewhere ? it would be seen that I had specifically said it was NOT a Scam. Nevertheless, it appears that judgement was made on some third hand information and I was deemed guilty without trial.

I have since noted a post in another forum where a Jay?s representative has acknowledged that there are indeed script errors and that the ?math? is not adding up correctly.

If this could have been done ?up-front? rather than all the mud-slinging - and incidentally, the side-tracking ? then we would have had our answer and the matter could have rested there. Dead. No more need have been done or said.

As it is, I now have been smeared for something I did not do, had my personal information posted on a public forum (despite the fact it was subsequently edited).

It does however, give me an insight to the workings of certain sites ? and more importantly, let those unbiased, neither-side surfers form their own opinions.

Well, good for you Jay.

Calliope, I should have made my apoloy here also for everyone here to see, you are more than welcome to post the URL from Lonesurf, Iwent back to the site to find myself, but just could not find it. I'm sorry but that site really confuses me.

Calliope~Again I am sorry.

Sherry

which representitive was that??

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

An appology would be realllll nice about now.....

True and I think it will come. We all made bonehead mistakes then because of dumb pride fail to take needed action as fast as we should of.

Surfjunky, I notice it myself about the downline. Some of us are not very good at math, and we all need someone help us out with it. I am confuse about how much I am earning from my downline. Maybe you don't get all the promise % unless your downline cash out? I heard and read people said that about Jays-PaidMail. Does it also constitue his other programs as well? I am as confuse as Calliope about the downline earnings as well. And yes, I asked Jay myself. Maybe we need a chart or something for us not good at math to see how it is setup to avoid all this problem? Jay, what do you think about? Set up a chart to help diagram of the downline earnings to help others like me and Calliope to see how it works?

Lucy, I posted that because sometimes there are problems with the scripts of CC. I have like 17 members in my downline for Jays-paidmail, and I only recieved a little over 4 cents from them total. I PMed Jay about it, and gave him permission to check my account to see what is wrong. Should I be getting more from my downline? It seems not to be adding up right there.

ok just checking

ya never know

Poncer, I am sorry, but it seems like you are doing a bit of the back stroke here

??



Cy

lol POncer, why do you say Calliope is not good at math ?

She had one ref being SJ, she asked him how much earnings he had and she saw her refearnings weren't 10 % of SJ's earnings like stated in TOS.

Then they kept clicking, both of them and it still didn't add up correctly.

quoting :
My total is $3.65
minus sign-up $2.00 = $1.65 minus my clickthrough $1.59 = 6c minus ref bonus 1c =5c
I only have 1 ref and i know his own earnings (without the bonuses) = $1.31
10% of $1.31 = 13.1c doesn't it? not 5c


No need to have a mathematical degree to do those maths .... even if Calliope is in fact brilliant ;-)

I guess the good thing of all this is that someone (not sure who is busy with scripts at Jays) will look into it and correct the glitch that might have happen here .... so it will benefit to everybody.

Sophie

since it was a "representative" of jays i wanted to know who was acting as such, since we are all supposedly in that category

Hmmm

**moving this under the post it was under***

No, I am not. It is just that I wanted to ask Jay about the refearnings for some time now. I was gonna suggest it as a bug to Jay because I sometimes don't get credit for some of the clicks I get on several sites which including Jay's itself. Several people reported that happened to them for several sites including Jays. I think I did let Jay know that it seems that I was not being credit for some of the clicks I am clicking on. If there is a bug there, then there could be it is effecting that new script Jay is talking about were refearnings are not being shown up right. John did told me that his scripts are not 100% bug free, and we all should report to him about the bugs. I did report to him about not all links are being creadited.