FamilyAffair
May 25 2002, 02:43 PM
Minimium payout is now $95, aims to drop to around $25 within a few months. Several payment methods were introduced but not in agreement, will be added later once they update the program.
quote:
Lowering the minimum payout from June!
Like you alread know, we opened our SAC Affiliate program almost 2
years ago.
During this period we did much experience about how to find and block
affiliates who act fraudulently, and then now we are ready to begin to
reduce progressively the minimum amount required to receive commission
payments from us!
Then, from the next month the minimum payout of $100 will be reduced.
You asked us to do this thing, and we are very glad that finally we can
satisfy your request.
The next June, we will pay affiliates that with the earnings of May
reached a minimum balance of only $95 (that is 5% reduction of
the $100 limit!).
And we expect to reduce this minimum payout also during the next months.
Our plan is to arrive within few months to a minimum payout of around $25.
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6. Payment methods updated.
We updated our agreement, in the section of the Payment Policy,
replacing the sentence:
"Payment will be done by wire transfer in US dollars or euro, or by check in euro."
with this one:
"Payment will be done by wire transfer or by check in US dollars or in euro."
Then,
we introduced the possibility to receive checks in dollars.
Under their requests, several of you already received checks from us
in dollars, and now we decided to update the agreement to officially
include this new payment method.
Several of you also received commissions from us through PayPal,
but we still didn't include this payment method officially in
our agreement. We will add it once that we'll update the program that
manages the SAC affiliates administration area, so that you'll be
able to switch (if you'll want it) to this payment method directly online.
thasith
May 25 2002, 02:59 PM
$95????
Positive_thougths
May 25 2002, 07:58 PM
That's good news Familyaffair.
Weird though I didn't see a mail who said this, probable didn't get it
Pos
zOla
May 25 2002, 09:38 PM
I almost laughed when I saw that headline!!
$100 down to $95 - sure that's gonna make a lot of difference to SAC members.
$5 deduction is actually quite good though, say if the payout was at $10 or $15, but if it was originally at $100... gimme a break!
Positive_thougths
May 25 2002, 10:50 PM
Yes, I agree 5 dollar isn't much, but if they going down to 25 dollar that's good news allright isn't?
Pos
[ 05-26-2002, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: Positive_thougths ]
tornado
May 26 2002, 01:10 PM
This must be a joke!
Emailsformoney
May 26 2002, 10:30 PM
Nah, not a joke, just good business sense and a company that understands the ethics of referral marketing unlike many of the programs around now that delete referral levels, make you have to have clicked on a certain amount so as to delay payments and delete accounts for no reason and so on......
Swappers have been around a long time and outside the CAC programs are probably the only program that sends out regular paid emails.
They have survive due to good business management.
Yes I have a big downline and get paid every month but look at it as a positive move, wait til the minimum comes down to something reasonable like the $25 they promise. It will and then will everyone complain - No.
As I say, Swappers give builders the opportunity to earn from referrals unlike certain CAC programs that don't understand referral marketing - go out and get some referrals and work your business like it's supposed to be done.
Marc
sophieca
May 27 2002, 12:43 AM
I totally agree with you Marc :
- Send from 10 to 30 mails a month
- Generally paid 1 cent or more the link
- Don't change TOS every now and then
- Don't change referral system every now and then
- Have real advertizers
- not CAC
- Not new, people there know what they are doing as they are still alive.
- You receive a mail for each new referral you have.
So, that is one site I promote regularly and I am patient, my downline grows every day a little bit...I am no big downline builder and no webmaster and have already 50 $US in my account :-)
Sophie
tornado
May 27 2002, 05:49 AM
"just good business sense and a company that understands the ethics of referral marketing unlike many of the programs around now that delete referral levels,"
They don't need to delete anything because they
don't need to pay anybody either. I don't see the ethics about having $100 minimum payout limit and sending emails with the value of 1 cent. You need between 25-30 years to reach this level. Any program with this payout limit will be around for a long time but who cares? They don't pay %99 of the users. If you find this site good so the best
one is Cashread If they take the minimum to $25
you can say that they are worth to try but with a $95 minimum they are one of the worst.
Wayne
May 27 2002, 08:04 AM
I wont be able to cash out until they bring it down to $25.
Emailsformoney
May 27 2002, 08:26 PM
""You need between 25-30 years to reach this level""
Can I ask a question - are you a member of Swappers?
""They don't need to delete anything because they
don't need to pay anybody either""
Then please tell me why they pay me regular if they don't have to?
Amount Withdrawn: $1270.22
Total Balance: $80.93
Marc
[ 05-28-2002, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: Emailsformoney ]
sophieca
May 27 2002, 09:19 PM
Wow, congrats Marc :-)
Tornado, at CashRead you don't receive any earnings from your referrals before they reach cash-out, this is absolutely not the case with SAC. So, let's compare what can be compared !
Sophie
tornado
May 27 2002, 09:48 PM
Yes I'm a member of Sac and tried it for 3 months. I have tried it for 3 months because you can not see your earnings in the first 3 months(not realtime) Than when they calculated the first month's earnings I just understand that I need to click 25-30 years to reach $100 limit because there was only about 30 cents in my account.(you need about 330 months to reach this limit) I'm not saying that they are the worst company. I'm saying that they are one of the worst with this very high payout limit. They must drop the limit to $25 or even lower than this. This program is for only big promoters with $95 limit.
"Then please tell me why they pay me regular if they don't have to?
Amount Withdrawn: $1270.22
Total Balance: $80.93 "
Do I need to tell you the answer? You already know that you are one of the big promoters. I'm happy to see that people are getting paid for their efforts:-) But tell us honestly what do you earn with your own cliks. Is it fair to tell people that they will earn just like you if they sign up to Sac? Please Don't forget that many of the people who use this board are not experienced as you. Here are my results with 2 referrals:
"2001/12 217 0 0 0 0 217 $0.00130 $0.28
2002/01 413* 13* 0* 0* 0 426* $0.00131 $0.56
2002/02 226* 0* 0* 0* 0 226* $0.00133 $0.30"
Referrals have clicked the links (13*)in their emails in January but after they realize the truth they stop to click in February just like me.
[ 05-28-2002, 11:51 AM: Message edited by: tornado ]
tornado
May 27 2002, 09:58 PM
Hi sophieca,
I know that you can not compare with Sac and Cashread. You can not compare Cashread with any program because it is the worst in all time history. No other program deserves to be compared with Cashread. I just tried to say that with such a high minimum they have nearly the same "ethics"
with Cashread.
sophieca
May 27 2002, 10:20 PM
Tornado,
It's not because you don't like 100 $US minimum that you c
sophieca
May 27 2002, 10:30 PM
Tornado,
It's not because you don't like 100 $US minimum that you can tell it's bad.
I don't live in a country where you can cash-out with Paypal, so I have to wait at least 75 $US to cash out anyway, otherwhise it's too costly in exchange and transaction costs.
So, I don't care at all about the 100 US$ minimum and what on earth can I do with 1 or 5 US$ in my e-Gold acount with low cash-out sites ? Buy promotion ads for SAC or other sites I like.
But so far, I have never paid a dime for promotion and as I said, I am not a downline builder or a webmaster, I just select a few trustable Get Paid To Read and Get Paid To Surfsites and promote them everywhere as long as it's free and .... I have reached more than 50 US$ now, it's halfway to cashing-out.....
Easier to reach halfway to cashing-out for me at SAC than at many CACsites because the rules don't change all the time and it's easy to promote, they send real ads :-)
Even though, there are still some CACsites I like...they are not all bad but not many of them allow you to make 30 cents in 1 month like you did with SAC !
You said : This program is for only big promoters ....... happy to see I must be a big promoter [have an average of 2-10 referrals on my sites....hmmmmm :-))))]
Sophie
tornado
May 27 2002, 11:07 PM
With programs who have low mimimum payouts, you don't have to withdraw your money when you reach
minimum payout. You can let your money increase
to a certain amount. I personally prefer them with low payouts and collect them at e-gold and then withdraw them all at once. In this way you don't pay much fees. For my opinion, minimum payout limit is enough to tell "bad" for a program. But if they lower this limit to something like $15-25 I will also prefer Sac for others programs because they send a lot of emails, have real advertisers etc. Sac is paying about 300 people regularly but they have about 97000 members and they are in this business for about I guess 3 years. So 300 members out of 97000
is not much. It is less than 1%. The best one of the old programs is Htmail. Because they don't have such a high minimum limit. I'm not trying to make people to thing bad thinks about Sac. I only want to give my honest thoughts about this program and what can people expect with current limit.
sophieca
May 28 2002, 12:42 AM
Htmail never sends me anything, 1 mail every 3 months or so, think it's a geographic problem..so whatever the payout is, I won't reach it anyway, even if some people say it's great, it is probably not the one for me.
And, this is personal also but SAC will send me a cheque in EUROs, which is worth far more than a cheque in US$ or e-Gold funny money for me....but this is only me of course....not everybody lives outside the US like me :-)
300 members paid.....did they tell that somewhere ? I must have missed it
Sophie
[ 05-28-2002, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: sophieca ]
tornado
May 28 2002, 01:37 AM
Yes I know that Htmail doesn't send much emails anymore but the reason is that there are hundreds of paid-email sites now which have very low advertising prices. Even with 1 email/month you have greater from Sac about getting paid, because they are worth 24 cents each and they have $10 minimum limit.(it takes 330 months with Sac and
42 months with htmail if you are on your own)
"300 members paid.....did they tell that somewhere ? I must have missed it"
No sophieca, They don't tell it exactly in this way but it is very easy to guess it from their F.A.Q. page. Their avarage payout for months is
$30000(sometimes this value goes up or down)
So that means they are paying about 300x$100 per month(300 or lower if some of them getting paid more than $100 at once). And it is very easy to say that these are the members like "Emailsformoney" who are getting paid regularly with big downlines because mathematically it is impossible for others to be paid with no referrals or with few referrals like me Of course there are some members who are getting paid every 3 moths, every 6 months etc. according to the size of their downlines but this will not change the truth that only members who have big downlines will be paid by Sac.
[ 05-28-2002, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: tornado ]
sophieca
May 28 2002, 01:57 AM
Replying just for the fun of the argument
You said :
Yes I know that Htmail don't send much emails anymore but the reason is that there are hundreds of paid-email sites now which have very low advertising prices
This is valid also for SAC but SAC sends ads
You said :
Even with 1 email/month you have greater from Sac about getting paid, because they are worth 24 cents each and they have $10 minimum limit.(it takes 330 months with Sac and
42 months with htmail if you are on your own)
I have 1 email every 3 months if I am lucky so, payout after 42 * 3 months.. I'll have 10 US$ after 126 month......or 100 US$ after 330 months on my own...
On a 10US$ cheque, I pay 15 US$ costs...do the maths...still prefer SAC :-)
You said :
....that only members who have big downlines will be paid by Sac.
Only members with big downlines are paid by any GPTREM unless you call having less than 1 US$ sent to your Paypal being paid of course.....
If you don't build big downlines, it's useless everywhere, that's why I focuse on 3-4 sites, I don't have time to do more and am no webmaster, newsletterowner and so on.....and with this in mind, SAC is the best for me.
Not everybody have the same idea about what they want for their clicks that's why lots of different GPTREM can survive :-)
Sophie
tornado
May 28 2002, 08:35 AM
Yes, I also like it.
"This is valid also for SAC but SAC sends ads"
No this is not valid for Sac because they don't
pay 24 cents per member. So their advert prices are much cheaper than Htmail. Also not all members
receive 1 email/3 months like you.
About the other ones; I can not say anything else
apart from the others I have already said. Those are your personal thoughts and all I can say is
"good luck". I hope you get paid for your efforts because you must work hard
surf4pay
Jun 9 2002, 08:14 AM
From $100 to $95 is a joke.
The reason they have survived a long time is:
1) $100 minimum payout - meaning no payment to most people for a long long time.
2) High advertising prices = making lots of money when they do get advertisers (and most is profit due to #1)
Why are you assuming they will drop to $25 when $100 (or $95) is so much more profitable.
3) They no longer send out as many emails as they used to, so people will take even longer to reach payment.
I'm not saying they are a scam at all..but let's get real. To call $100 minimum paid email program a good program doesn't seem realistic to me.
tipsy
Jun 9 2002, 09:52 AM
I don't think they are all that... I was a member for a long time.... I had even saved my welcome email to remind me of password and one day I checked my account and it was gone... Emailed them and to this day I still haven't got a response. Even though I quit getting emails from them I still get their newsletter... I didn't quit getting emails from them until I emailed about why I couldn't access my account hmmmmmmmm....
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