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fjeldseth
Hi guys from Lene and Andr? over at Downline4all.com.

We are pretty new to the PTR business, but not new to
Internet marketing smile.gif

What I feel may be a problem for many of the New PO's
is How To get their deserved trust, is this correct?

I would think that a good way to build that trust is to
let your Members Rank your program..

A public Ranking site from where your members (and
potential customars and members) could see your
current ranking Directly from both your site or the
ranking portal it self.

The good thing about this would be that you as a PO
could read comments made by other people hence
get a good understanding of what's good/bad about
your program, and easier improve it if needed.

At least you would get a feedback on what other think
about you and your program.

You could set up a "Vote Button" on your site from
where your members gives their honest vote.

The more they Vote, the better ranking.

We have just set up www.RankPeak.com and
we think that this may help you and your program.

Now, please give us your honest opinion on this thing.

Do you like it? Would this help the new PO's?

This is of course 100% free, and it allways will stay that way.

The portal has many features, so do explore
and feel free to use all of them if you want to.

Thanks

Ps. This is NOT for referral links, but for webmasters
and program owners that want a little more advertising
justforfun
CashCrusader.info does basically the same! They rank programs based on ad stability, and members/visitors/etc. can comment on the programs.
fjeldseth
Yes, I have seen them, and think are very good!

However they only consentrate on the CC script
and mostly focuses on the the negative sides.

The thought about RankPeak is to let everybody
get a fair chance.

If we after a copple of weeks feel that this is not
welcome at all, we will consentrate RankPeak on a
different interest area.

We still think this is a good idea that will do some
good things for many PO's and webmasters
regardless of the script they are running on their
sites.

There would probably have been better if someone
else have stepped forward and done this but no one
have done so yet, so here is RankPeak and it Will
give you more Possitive traffic. At least that's the
thought.

Thanks for your thoughts justforfun.

We know it's not Perfect, but everything helps.
That is our Positive experience.
Ocram
While the idea is good, the script is just not made for the job
fjeldseth
What features do you miss OcramC?

There is a lot of things that can be done
to improve a script if needed.
themom1955
well you asked for PO's opinions (which I'm NOT)....but HAVE been doing PTR's for quite a while....and no offense but I didn't see anything at your rating site that I haven't seen at others in the past huh.gif

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I would think that a good way to build that trust is to
let your Members Rank your program..


as to this, and this is JMO on it....MY trust is NOT, in any way, built on "rankings"....those (like unpaid cashouts) are just numbers....and a site's "rating" could be falsely LOW by a disgruntled member who got ticked at the PO dry.gif and just decided (out of meaness) to vote low for a site. dry.gif wink.gif


Nope MY trust is built on my interaction with the wm....ie how fast they reply to support emails (as well as their tone within said emails), whether they are continually ranting and raving/changing TOS and how quickly they pay (within their TOS) when I cash out. wink.gif smile.gif


that's just MY 25 cents on it <<-- it's usually only .00000001 cents worth but I got 2 cashouts tonite tongue.gif laugh.gif

freebiesite

I pretty much agree with themom..."ranking" scripts were cool a couple years ago...but many people know they really mostly benefit the owner...ie in this case you...

and ...frankly the ptr's seem to be sooo changable and volitile..who can really tell?? for instance, a program that was small, steady etc socialist paid mails is closing up...in an honorable way....he is paying people off..

a program that was "dearly loved" ...santas...now seems to have a missing/uncomunicative wm ...big sudden change..

these programs are traded, sold, given away..they change day to day...you just cant tell..and lots of these wm have little lackeys who cheerlead for them no matter what they do....jay in jail is a good example LOL...people would rank a program good just to please the wm and get their pennies..wm could also "pay" members to click that for them or beg, threaten or cajole..many are expert at that smile.gif sooo it would be artifical anyhow

sooo...no I dont think it is a very good idea..

what I do think is a good idea is everyone taking their head out of the sand and emailing the scriptwriters to stop allowing people to sell/transfer programs...that is about the only thing that might make this worth while again I think JMO of course smile.gif
fjeldseth
themom1955:
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no offense but I didn't see anything at your rating site that I haven't seen at others in the past

No offence taken at all smile.gif We just don't see the others, where are they?

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and a site's "rating" could be falsely LOW by a disgruntled member who got ticked at the PO  and just decided (out of meaness) to vote low for a site. 

Sure, this could happend (hope not though) - But I think the members of the offended site would fix that by voting high (if they like the program).

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Nope MY trust is built on my interaction with the wm....ie how fast they reply to support emails (as well as their tone within said emails), whether they are continually ranting and raving/changing TOS and how quickly they pay (within their TOS) when I cash out.

Wouldent the members of such a site vote them lower if this happens? - I know I would.

...........................

freebiesite:
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I pretty much agree with themom..."ranking" scripts were cool a couple years ago...but many people know they really mostly benefit the owner...ie in this case you...

Yes, this can Maybe benefit us sometime in the future, but when you say that it
ONLY benefits the owner, I say you are wrong. If your program is voted at the
Top of a list, wouldent that benefit You, and Not me?

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a program that was "dearly loved" ...santas...now seems to have a missing/uncomunicative wm ...big sudden change..

Yes, not funny at all. In such a cenario the members could give a lower vote.
"force" the po to sharpen a little.

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people would rank a program good just to please the wm and get their pennies..wm could also "pay" members to click that for them or beg, threaten or cajole..many are expert at that  sooo it would be artifical anyhow

I seriously don't think this would be a big problem.. But if it would become one, there are probably some things that can be done.

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what I do think is a good idea is everyone taking their head out of the sand and emailing the scriptwriters to stop allowing people to sell/transfer programs...that is about the only thing that might make this worth while again I think JMO of course

You are maybe right about this. (a different story though).

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sooo...no I dont think it is a very good idea..

I am not convinced.. Still think this may do some good for many.

But there are a copple of things here that we did not think of.

Thanks smile.gif
Ps, what is JMO? unsure.gif


simpleplan11
I just joined. I'll give it a try smile.gif
concetto
I'm a PO, and I really don't place value on such a ranking. This is because it all depends on a few members who actually find your ranking site, take the trouble of giving their opinion, and doing that in an honest way. If for instance two unhappy members find your site and decide to have some fun, that means that my site gets a low ranking. Not because the majority of members feel that way, but because these few decide it.
I know for myself how I do my job, and I believe my members know the same. And if some member feels I'm not doing him/her right, they get in touch.
fjeldseth
That is great smile.gif

It looks cool on your site with the star and your ranking.




fjeldseth
conceto:
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This is because it all depends on a few members who actually find your ranking site

If you have a vote button on your site, they can vote directly from there.

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If for instance two unhappy members find your site and decide to have some fun, that means that my site gets a low ranking. Not because the majority of members feel that way, but because these few decide it.

there can only be 1 vote per ip and username.

If members like a site, they will vote I think.

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I know for myself how I do my job, and I believe my members know the same. And if some member feels I'm not doing him/her right, they get in touch.

Yes, they probably will. But I still beleve this is good for many.

And a nother thing.. Don't vorry about someone signing up on your site
from there, that can probably be used as free refs to gold members or
something.


themom1955
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Ps, what is JMO?


JMO=just my opinion smile.gif

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We just don't see the others, where are they?



they come and they go....been a while since I've seen one...sorry. That's also why I personally don't put much stock in them....about the only consistent one I've seen is the Diamond Web Awards one.


tipsy
Not to mention sites that have lower counts of members will of course have lower amount of votes on the list... that doesn't mean they are worse just that they don't have as many members.
simpleplan11
I signed up last night, not many other sites are joining.... which is dissapointing. It's free promotion!!!
fjeldseth
Thanks themom1955 biggrin.gif . Let me just tell you guys this:

RankPeak will NOT disappear, so if that has bean a pattern,
I say lets change that pattern right now! wink.gif There is Absolutely
No reason for us to set up a site just so we can close it,
We don't work that way.

tipsy said:
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Not to mention sites that have lower counts of members will of course have lower amount of votes on the list... that doesn't mean they are worse just that they don't have as many members.

I agree with you 100% that a small size site is not worse then
a big one. So this is Especially good for a small site.
They will grow big too, and things like RankPeak will help.
Just look at the first place.. Not a very big site yet but still
the very first position because his members like the site.

Do you think this will build up under the credibility of that site?

Guarantied! - of course it will biggrin.gif

They have Voted him there, and the members would not
have done so if they did not like it. When advertiser see that,
they will automatically think that This is a good and trust worthy site.

I think it would be Easy for a good site (small or big) to get a
good ranking. All they have to do is to do like simpleplan11
has done - He has a small star on hoboclicks.com that tells his
current position. Advertisers see that the members are active,
and his members will always be reminded that they belong to
something Good.

simpleplan11 said:
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I signed up last night, not many other sites are joining.... which is dissapointing. It's free promotion!!!

You are So right, this is Free promotion, and Very Good promotion too!

Others will follow your and others example, it may take some time,
but more people will come. We and examples as your will make sure of that.

Ps. we are setting up a support/faq site at our forum, do you mind
if we use your site as an example on how it looks with the star simpleplan11?

Thanks for your opinions, we appreciate it very much.
freebiesite

wow...sorry but the more you post the more it sounds like an ad..

any site that says "we will be around" etc sounds kinda suspicious in itself...anything can happen....around ptr it seems some sites that adamently state they are "in it for the long run" etc and toot their own horn are the very ones that close or sell off the site etc..

there is a fine line between tolerable self promotion and spam...you came in and asked question about what people thought, then you just are discounting what we "thought'..and making this thread into an ad for yourself..

maybe the reason many are not joining is they have seen these "top site" lists and they know the pitfalls..small sites at disadvantage, revenge ratings, wm subsidizing ratings etc....

turning the thread into a blatant ad for yourself is not going to make many change their minds JMO
fjeldseth
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wow...sorry but the more you post the more it sounds like an ad..

LOL, I kind of agree.. I guess I did sound a little defensive here.

The only reason I said that we wouldent set up rankpeak just to
shut it down is because one that answered said that many other
sites has done so.

I still beleve that most of the "back sides" that has bean brought
up here is things that we can do something about. That was the
point that I was trying to bring to light in this discussion + bring
forward the positive things in such a system.

I do understand that action is the only thing that counts and that
talk is cheap. We will just have to prove to all that this is a good
thing.

Thanks smile.gif
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