ive never seen an industry like gptr go downhill so fast, value of emails have gone from 5 cents to 1 cent to 1/2 cent.
now we see emails worth .4cent, .25 cent and even 1 tenth of a cent.
my computer costs about 32 cents an hour just to turn on.(just electricity and ISP)

if i cant run a business that can generate at least 32 cents an hour i am just wasting my time

the problem of emails getting cheaper and cheaper is those willing to do some work for a lousy 1/2 cent, we are a population that wont even bend down to pick up a penny.

as long as people are willing to waste their time for 1/2 cent then operators of gptm programs will continue to sell cheap adds and ###### us into making 1/10th of a cent while they are happy making 50 cents.

gptm has turned into a waste of time. even the most reputable co's like lgwongs getpaidtoread has fallen into the abyss of sending out .4 cent emails.

anyone thinking they are doing well by making 3 cents for an hours work should wake up.

im writing this because i too got succered into spending a year at what i though would be a good business. gptr is not a business, its a waste of time

i will wait for responces to this email to decite to opt out, is any one replies who is happy with their 12.40 cheque or claims they make $100.s a month had better also provide how much they spent on ads etc, any how many hours they spent to make that 12 bucks. even a paperboy apparently is doing better than 99% of the people in this gptr (not even worth 1 cent) industry.

comments are welcome

yup I agree ... just a hobby that I take seriously for my members sake.

All my earnings go back into my sites ... maybe make a little on the bigger paying programs to pay for my leccy and ISP and a bit for my sons xmas pressies and thats it

yep I agree...I take it seriously for my members...I am lucky if I break even..but I have "met" some nice people thru having my program and to me that alone has been worth it.

Hobby for me too...although I make use of the advertising I earn to promote some other, potentially more lucrative opps I am working. Also, I have made many acquaintances, friends, and business contacts through PTR.

If it's no longer fun for you then don't do it. Personally, I have a blast! Besides, I've had alot of idle time on my hands lately and it gives me something to do.

a hobby? time on your hands? are you that void of purpose in your life?

i wish someone had advised me that gptr was a hobby. that would have saved me hours of my life actually thinking i might actually make a dollar. perhaps a name change would be appropriate. how about "funwithinternet" instead of "moneywith internet"

the underlying message of gptr is that one can make money by reading emails, more money with referrals and even more by owning a gptr site. perhaps a better name would be "www.toomuchtimeonyourhandssoyouwillthinkyoursomebodybecauseyoumade3cents.co
m"

i apologize for sarcasm but its a way of being honest.

so if you hate this gptr business, then just get out and cut your losses. or use your money earned for some free advertising. or i'm not sure if you own your own program. but if you do, just sell.

if you are going to complain about an industry, then don't belong to it. Get another industry to join.

plenty of other ways to make money on the internet. let's see, you have matrixes, safelists, mlms, surfing programs, casinos, etc.

Caroline

Void of purpose? Actually no... I'm having surgery on my neck tomorrow and haven't been able to work for the last 3 months. But thanks for your concern about my life...

If you click emails to earn a living perhaps it's you that has the void.

You asked for responses, you got them... and now you turn around and attack those of us that responded?? Goodness... yes, my advice to you is to get out before you cause yourself more distress.

for me,this is a better option than sleeping or getting in trouble...and like a couple of pple before me,its the people i've met who make it all worth it...the cents and payouts are just an added bonus...
(ps:and yes it gets frustrating but hey,thats life)

hopefully you will be spending your internet time learning all you can about physiology and neck surgery. i am only upset at the decline of gptr into disrepute because of the prevelence of 1/2, 1/4, 1 tenth of a cent emails. making this gptr thing a waste of time, silly, and maybe fun for 5 year olds.

good luck with your surgery.

yes i am opting out, but there is no sense quitting a lot of effort without saying why and leaving the message that gptr is not a good way to make money.

Thanks



P.S. I'm turning 6 on Thursday so I guess the fun will end... lol

One of the reasons that gpt is no longer the moneymaker that it used to be is because of so many programs opening up now. The programs now are so cheap to buy that now every Tom, Rick, and Harry owns one.(hehe.....no offense intended to webmasters with those names) There are only so many advertisers to go around. I guess you could say that the only ones making money off gpt now are the ones that sell the programs.

It is a hobby.......if it isn't enjoyable, then you shouldn't do it. There are more ways to make money on the internet than by reading e-mail.

LMAO@EMailCashFrenzy Happy early 6th Bday...lol

Thank you DGE! It'll be a sad day for me since I'll no longer enjoy clicking email links... but alas... I'll survive it. *snicker*

Wow, I read the whole thread and it is very interesting.

I am glad williambbb is getting his life back because he is quitting. I just started "wasting my time" on 1/4 cent clicks and hey I love it.

1/4 cents links???

Jeeze, thats the good paying sites nowadays, the ones that irritate me are the 0.000000000000000000000000001 cent per point/click...gggrrrhhhh

I had to laugh the other day, can't remember the site, but I was given a three step MUST DO for searching, I done the search and was rewarded with 0.10 of a cent, lol...

lol brian,

I really do not like searches. I do not usually click on search links since I do not perform searches and I feel it is not fair for me to click on them. The ones I do click, I perform a genuine search. I wonder what that site was that sent you the 1/10 of a cent search link. Most of the search links are 1 cent and above aren't they? Venomx sends a lot of search links that are all 1 cent and cashmound sometimes 2 cent search links too. I click on them and search. At least, it is worth it. Oh yes, freemailcash sends optional search links too and they are always 1 cent.

If I remember correctly, I think I posted a post on here the day I got that 0.10 search that gave me the MUST do instructions, I'll try and find it and let you know what site it was...

As for paid searches, yeah I don't mind clicking one for a cent or even 0.50 of a cent, but these sites that send 0.10 searches are a pure joke, I mean come on, half the time they're probs getting up to 30 cents for the search performed, yet they give us such a minute sum...rip off, TOTAL rip-off...

Of course, we then get the excuses off these webmasters/mistresses saying that they only pay 0.10 cents for a search because not enough users are performing searches or they're actually losing money through them, but if they're suffering financially through no-one clicking through, why do they send them?

That was Incentive Emails.....The one Evelyn runs.

Yep, just checked, it was Incentive Emails....

I mean for 0.10 cents and to get a Three step MUST do regarding the search is nothing short of an insult, don't you agree?

I just stated in another thread that I won't do searches for points, but they do have to be worth at least a 1/2 a cent. I don't think that's too much to ask.

I agree. Doing searches for points and for 1/10 of a cent is not worth the time or the effort.

I do all searches (for money, and usually for points) that I am given, UNLESS they say "you must click 3 or more search results", something like that. That's just a bit much.

Well, happy birthday! Perhaps......if clicking on email links will soon lose its enjoyment, you'll be able to find an adequate substitute......maybe surfing the web for cash? Yeah, that's it!

As far as searches, it's not my all-time favorite activity, but I don't mind doing them (up to a point). It is rather annoying, though, when you have a program that sends out several e-mails a day and every one of them has the same set of searches. My understanding is that if I do a search several times on the same search engine they will only pay the webmaster once a day -- so doesn't it hurt them if they send you several paid links to the same search engine?

When I do searches I'll click on one of the links -- except when the webmaster has already filled in the search term for me. If I'm going to do a search, I want to do my own search -- I don't need to be held by the hand and led around like a 5 year old. Or......hmmm, maybe we're supposed to be 5 years olds .....

Bullet

The good thing about this industry is that it gives people a way to advertise their business without having to pay search engines thousands of dollars for placement. GPTRE sites generally give advertisers more bang for their buck. Or did we forget that the number one reason of having a GPTRE site is for advertising and not just paying out money????

i dont pay search engines for placement :-/

Now theres a mouthful.....I have kept quiet as long as I could GPTRE I always assumed was get paid to read email......But you really hit the nail on the head with the advertising thing....Its a way for webmasters to advertise for free on their own sights and amass huge downlines and sit back and watch us click our little fingers to the bone then cash in and bankrupt the competition

I know I'll get attacked for this one.....but the truth hurts

Hey Shelly...wont get me attacking you...I have said this for a long, long time...Of course there are webmasters/misstresses that do do it for the love of it, and really do want to make a go of it....but some....and you know who YOU are....use US to get them referals and take all the money from other GPTRE sites.......I will NOT knowingly sign up under those web owners any more....They think we are stupid and dont know when it is there link........Well we do...we can read in the address who you are...and we, who know, are sick of it.

Some web owners let you know that these are their links....and that is good.....usually they send them out so that we have something to click on......But only do it rarely........

I have said it once...some owners treat there members as their own personal safe list!!

No attack here, Shelly,I totally agree......

Well, i just got an email from kanshaispaidlinks 0.05 cents.......MADNESS

I deleted my golden-tools account today, i earned 19 cents in 2 months with 20 referrals.....

I started my GPTRE-site last week.
Since then we send 3 NPA.
We got good referrals of this but...
We joined under a person in a downlinebuilder on another forum.
So we are not the only one who profit.

AND : people don't have to signup if we (webmasters) send NPA's
They want it because they think it could be a program....
If you want good refferals on a new program : buy an ad at a GPTRE and send an NPA yourself...

Every GPTR program that I joined in the last year or so I joined because a webmaster was promoting it and not knowing any better I said hey if he/she thinks its a good program then I will have to trust him/her because I didn't know any better...

In the last few months I have quietly watched this happening over and over.

And I have bought ads and the only downline I have is one where a webmaster signed under me.

So you may be right on one point......nobody twisted our arms to sign up for these programs but you have to admit a webmasters influence carries a lot of weight to a novice

As a program owner myself and a clicker too, I agree with a lot that has been stated here. I don't like clicking on piddly .005 cent links and I don't want my members to have to either. I won't send out an email with less than .5 cents in it and just recently I switched all my searches to cash instead of points, ranging from .5 to 3 cents. I wasn't getting the response I wanted with the point searches and it's understandable. Who wants to click on searches for points when you never know what the conversion rate is going to be?

I don't do this as a hobby, I consider it a business. I don't have the time to waste, I have a design business also, baby calves to take care of and two kids under 2. I guess I was always an email junkie, I've always liked getting mail and it just kind of turned into this. I want to make money on the site and I want my members to be happy, whatever it takes, random payouts, contests, high paying links, whatever is needed. A site cannot make it if it's members aren't happy and i think in the future a lot of programs will fall by the wayside because they aren't catering to their members.

That's just my 2 cent on the whole deal.

Jennifer

Hey Jennifer.....what is your program...It sounds like one I want to be in, if I am not already

Your attitude is one of the good ones.....and us members appreciate it....keep up the great work!

I just pm'd you. I didn't post to recruit members, I just felt strongly about the topic. Thanks for the kind words, at 3:30 in the morning, it's nice to read something kind for a change.

4:30 here and once again i agree with moonieb

The problem of lowering payment for each paid email is because the market price of a clickthru is dropping. This is not for PTR but advertising in general. PTR of course has some contributions but is not the major cause of such a drop.

Visit ebay and search for "visitors". You will see how cheap a clickthru worth. Most of those selling cheap clickthrus are traffic exchange and lottery site. In particular the traffic exchange site is driving the price of a clickthru madly.

To a traffic exchange webmaster, the cost of a clickthru is nearly zero, all the sales went to his pocket. But for a PTR webmaster, each clickthru have a cost no matter it is half a cent or quarter of a cent. PTR is difficult to compete with these traffic exchange unless we lower the payout of each paid email.

hmmmnnn...that explains alot

Firstly, WOW!! Can someone put me in touch with the webmaster who makes 50cents on a link that they are sending out at 1/10th of a cent.

Most of my advertising I run at a miniscule profit of less than 1/2 or 1/4 of a cent, or I break even (some have even run at a loss) - I always give my advertisers more paid emails than they pay for at the moment, to compensate for the low ebb in the industry.

As lgwong said - the industry of advertising has taken a general down-turn, this obviously isn't helped by the number of people fighting for this advertising.

I'm not running at a profit here - yes if I made a profit woohoo!! but I don't. My main aim is to do the best I can with my programs and to try not to make a loss. Enjoying the company is a perk too (that's company as in people not programs lol).

Maybe opening myself up here - but what would help to increase the values of links would be if MORE (I know there are members who support avidly) members actually supported the advertisers. How many people just click the links and don't even bother to READ the email or the advertisers site. - Go on all attack me now! It doesn't apply so much to members who come to forums like this, as they are the people who want to make a go of it.

As for the webbys promoting personal links .. yes I have sent out a couple - at low click-thru (they are the only links I send at less than .5 cent) BUT I send those when - as someone said (moonieb I think) I need links for my members to click so that I don't get a hundred emails asking why there are not enough links coming out.

There are probably quite a few of you out there who remember when this industry actually did make a profit - I mean - who remembers having paycheques off AllAdvantage and companies like that? I do, and I'm hanging on waiting for more and more people in the world to start using the internet, and hopefully then the industry will start to take an up-turn again.

I will finally shut up now (hooray I hear you shout! lol) I just want to echo the many people who have posted here saying - if anyone doesn't enjoy it then don't do it - not many people will make millions! (or dollars lol).

I agree this is a hobby. And there are alot of positives. Look at alot of the Great Webmasters who use thier resources to help others. The Jade Benifit is a GREAT Example, an overwhelming part of the gptr industry , webmasters and members alike picked in and rasied money for a little Girl.

For those who want to complain and pick at the industry and say its a waste of time......well.......why are they here???????

I know my program I started I tried to make sure it could benift everyone. I do send out ONLY one search link daily and the money goes back th the members and a Large part goes to the charities we pick that month to donate to. A % of advertising goes to charities too. And anything I make goes right back to my members. I have it all layed out for them where all the money goes....

Just think if we werent doing this we would all be watching the Soaps LOL

I have meet ALOT of great people and even a few nasty one lol, but it been fun and a good learning experience.


I just needed to ad my 1/4 Cents worth LOL

I am not saying that people are right or wrong - but when someone describes GPTRE as a hobby I assume immediately that they do not take this seriously.

Listen I think its cool if you want to do it as a hobby and many of you probably contribute a lot to this business but there are also those that do not. The webmasters are right when people do not click, do searches or do ptc - there is no money for them to make or anyone else. A webmaster who owns a PTRE owns a business. People own and operate businesses to make a profit not put them into the red.

If it is to be considered a hobby only then everyone is misleading the public by advertising that you get paid and that you can make money. Are you saying PTRE should be listed under hobby instead of money, home business, business opportunity. Why do I see the same people who are saying its a hobby complaining about cheap links and not getting paid.

I do side with everyone here in some form but I've got to tell you I can only name 1 site that even remotely suggests that this is not a business or a form of income.

If people would click, search, ptc and recruit I think the industry would be a better place. But people do not want to do that. We have become lazy in our ways and expect our referrals to do all the work. For a system to work everyone must participate.

Webmasters I am so happy when you kick dead beats off my downline - then I know where I stand. I am here to make money - I know I won't come close to getting rich from it but I am happy to be able to cash out.

Thats just my opinion - I could be wrong don't hate me 4 it cause I still love you all.

Hey!!! i watch the soaps lol. DOnt worry i do have a job i just rearrange my lunch break to watch days of our lives every day and tape the young and the restless. Its my guilty vice so dont knock it. HEHE. Im sure theres others out there. Admit it!!!

appreciate your feedback and suggestions, i am still reluctant to do 1/10 or 1/4 cent seaarches, or even read less than 1/2 cent emails. they are a waste of my time and yours. my beginning preamble discussed this industry as going downhill and the reasons why. i cant opt out because my downlines would be lost to uplink. another strange quirk about gptr

perhaps the industry needs to real-world, find some real advertising companies with real products with real money who could put out real adverts that would be worth 5-10 cents at least. gptr owners should seek out new and different sources of revenue and i am quite sure whoever comes out with a real, well paying system would get everybodys attention and efforts.

sincerely w.b.

I just have a comment and it is a reply to this comment by TheHaque4Ever

"If you want good refferals on a new program : buy an ad at a GPTRE and send an NPA yourself..."

This would be great to do if you could get it out early enough before the owners do but even if you do get your ad in early enough, it will just sit on the back burner until the webmasters get it out for themselves first.
So by the time they are done and they send your ad, you are lucky to get 10 referrals. Is this really worth $5.00!!! Not to me.
And I completely agree with Shelly.
The GPTRE industry should now be called GPTR NPAs and do searches since this makes up 99% of ads sent by 90% of the webmasters.

william, there are lots of survey companies that pay very well. Have you tried any of those? And if you want to opt out of a PTR, DO IT. you are not obligated to your "upline" in anyway.

Alrighty then... The paid emails I click I click as a hobby. My programs are not hobbies... I have a plan in mind and it's one I take seriously.

I don't join every new program that comes out and promote for referrals via my programs. Do you know how many NPA's I get orders for ?? And I normally send my ads out within 6 hours of receiving them... usually even less since I'm on the puter at all hours.

Yes, I send out my own referral links sometimes... do members want paid links or not? If I don't receive an ad order for a day or two, you bet I send links out... out of my pocket. The few searches I send out that members actually participate fairly in help me to send those paid links out. Perhaps members would prefer I send a link to a blank page and pay them for it? I totally agree that some webmasters get carried away, but hey... you're clicking the links, you're getting paid, and it's their choice to send them and yours to click them.

I'd much prefer to have advertising orders everyday than to send out my own links. I don't have massive downlines in many programs, that's not exactly what I'm all about. Sure, I'd love to get some of the payments every month yall do, but the little bit of extra I make I spend on advertising my own programs either via my programs or others I like to support.

I'm getting a little ahead of myself here, but basically I'm saying that the little bit of cash I make off the programs I'm a member of go back into the programs I own and am trying to build on. THAT'S my priority, to build my businesses... not my downlines. The reason you're seeing the ECF Family grow is because I take this seriously, not because I've got money to throw around to buy programs to build my downlines in other programs. That'd be cool I guess, but it ain't me.

Wow... I got way carried away with all that. Must be the drugs...

Thanks for all the well wishes and the Happy Birthdays (I lied)... yall have a good one!