as above a certain thread has got me thinking I'm not going to name my programs and I've removed it from my sig so I'm not spamming/self promoting
so this isn't directly about my programs apart from what the question states (leave the rest at the door)
NOTE - I choose "other" so I could see the results
Full Version: Opening up programs to ALL countries
In an ideal world yes but supposedly certain countries cost a gptr business money. If that is indeed true than a responsible business owner has to either absorb that cost (makes little sense, especially in gptr) or has to fix/remove/not allow that drain on the program before it causes problems financially.
As far as I've read there isn't a "fix" yet. Know some programs require members from certain countries to ask before signing up, don't know how successful it's been, but maybe that would be a viable solution. Whatever is done though cannot cost the business money long term or it will end up eventually bankrupt with alot of headaches (and maybe heartaches) for the owner along the way.
As far as I've read there isn't a "fix" yet. Know some programs require members from certain countries to ask before signing up, don't know how successful it's been, but maybe that would be a viable solution. Whatever is done though cannot cost the business money long term or it will end up eventually bankrupt with alot of headaches (and maybe heartaches) for the owner along the way.
| QUOTE (astrangemix @ Mar 28 2004, 01:22 PM) |
| In an ideal world yes but supposedly certain countries cost a gptr business money. If that is indeed true than a responsible business owner has to either absorb that cost (makes little sense, especially in gptr) or has to fix/remove/not allow that drain on the program before it causes problems financially. As far as I've read there isn't a "fix" yet. Know some programs require members from certain countries to ask before signing up, don't know how successful it's been, but maybe that would be a viable solution. Whatever is done though cannot cost the business money long term or it will end up eventually bankrupt with alot of headaches (and maybe heartaches) for the owner along the way. |
thats the issue that people do not get. They feel sites that limit countries are doing it solely because they are racist
sometimes decisions have to be made based on all the information at the time and the constant issues that were being faced.
But I've posted this because I want others to have a chance to say how they feel about it.
Well its a hard one because in ALL honesty advertisers want people who know and understand english. I mean I dont know any other languages other then english and lets say there was a Dutch PTR with all content and emails in Dutch...uumm seriously now what good would it do the advertisers in that program to have me "read" their email ads?
I think if someone has a good command of the language the program is written in and follows the rules they should be welcome I guess...but the problem is how can you tell just who does have a good command of the language?
I think if someone has a good command of the language the program is written in and follows the rules they should be welcome I guess...but the problem is how can you tell just who does have a good command of the language?
Open to all, but make the rules strict and TOS to the point.
Allow targeting of emails too if possible, if the advertiser so requests it.
Allow targeting of emails too if possible, if the advertiser so requests it.
| QUOTE (DGE1754 @ Mar 28 2004, 08:29 AM) |
| Well its a hard one because in ALL honesty advertisers want people who know and understand english. I mean I dont know any other languages other then english and lets say there was a Dutch PTR with all content and emails in Dutch...uumm seriously now what good would it do the advertisers in that program to have me "read" their email ads? I think if someone has a good command of the language the program is written in and follows the rules they should be welcome I guess...but the problem is how can you tell just who does have a good command of the language? |
An email application answering one short essay question no less than 200 words, with a resume of their posts on GPF?Just kidding. Hehe. But it sounds like a job interview, doesn't it?
| QUOTE (DGE1754 @ Mar 28 2004, 01:29 PM) |
| Well its a hard one because in ALL honesty advertisers want people who know and understand english. I mean I dont know any other languages other then english and lets say there was a Dutch PTR with all content and emails in Dutch...uumm seriously now what good would it do the advertisers in that program to have me "read" their email ads? I think if someone has a good command of the language the program is written in and follows the rules they should be welcome I guess...but the problem is how can you tell just who does have a good command of the language? |
thats another great point!
how do you tell who can read and understand english when it comes down to it.. I mean even I have my bad days
| QUOTE (pei @ Mar 28 2004, 01:32 PM) |
| Open to all, but make the rules strict and TOS to the point. Allow targeting of emails too if possible, if the advertiser so requests it. |
do you agree that cheat links or short tests should be thrown in once in a while on a 3 strike your out basis?
| QUOTE (JulietNZ @ Mar 28 2004, 08:34 AM) | ||
do you agree that cheat links or short tests should be thrown in once in a while on a 3 strike your out basis? |
I've never been against cheat links.
I even supported the AYS $-50 cheat link. It makes the advertising more worth it for the advertisers, to know their emails are being read.But I'm all for targeting though, in such cases. Some advertisers would want to target certain countries, and I don't blame them. And certain interests.
But all said and done, not everyone in the US are all that fluent in English either.
It rather depends.
| QUOTE (JulietNZ @ Mar 28 2004, 03:34 AM) | ||
do you agree that cheat links or short tests should be thrown in once in a while on a 3 strike your out basis? |
I think 3 strikes and you're out is great, a lot better than 1 strike = gone because lets face it we all do mistakes once in a while
Maby you could try to be open to all for a while and see how it goes, if that generates way too much work 'behind the scenes' and you feel that it takes your time from the actually program (sending e-mails, doing redemptions...) then don't allow more sign ups to those countries that create the most problems.
Ummm hope I made some sence, it's almost 3 am so I might not be in my brightest modes
| QUOTE (pei @ Mar 28 2004, 01:38 PM) | ||||
I've never been against cheat links. I even supported the AYS $-50 cheat link. It makes the advertising more worth it for the advertisers, to know their emails are being read.But I'm all for targeting though, in such cases. Some advertisers would want to target certain countries, and I don't blame them. And certain interests. But all said and done, not everyone in the US are all that fluent in English either. It rather depends. |
thankyou for sharing this is great
its giving me alot to think about
| QUOTE (Pia @ Mar 28 2004, 01:39 PM) | ||||
I think 3 strikes and you're out is great, a lot better than 1 strike = gone because lets face it we all do mistakes once in a while Maby you could try to be open to all for a while and see how it goes, if that generates way too much work 'behind the scenes' and you feel that it takes your time from the actually program (sending e-mails, doing redemptions...) then don't allow more sign ups to those countries that create the most problems. Ummm hope I made some sence, it's almost 3 am so I might not be in my brightest modes |
so open up to all.. but if it becomes a problem close it again but leave those who had signed from those countries?
| QUOTE (JulietNZ @ Mar 28 2004, 03:42 AM) | ||||||
so open up to all.. but if it becomes a problem close it again but leave those who had signed from those countries? |
I would definitely leave those members 'in' who signed up while the program was open to all as long as they're not braking the TOS and not clicking any links they're not suppoced to,
I don't think it would be fair to kick reliable members out just because their country of residence is being banned, just restrickt any new sign ups
| QUOTE (JulietNZ @ Mar 28 2004, 08:42 AM) | ||||||
so open up to all.. but if it becomes a problem close it again but leave those who had signed from those countries? |
I think this is what's that happening at April Gold's, just that those from India, China, and Poland who signed up after the closing date can only redeem through advertising and not cashout.
Ugh, well, sad to say, it's a whole Big Mac theory. $1.00 is worth so much more in Asian countries. You can feed around 6 kids in Vietnam with $4.00... at least that's what a friend from New York told me when he went to Vietnam. I doubt you can get a decent meal in the states with $4.00.
yeah thats the other thing.. the money is worth different things to different people hense some that try anything to get it
I dont like seeing countries banned, what riles me most is when a po says, 'I had 10 cheaters from country X today, so I am banning everyone from that country'. In a way I think it is racist because they would never ban America or Canada however many cheaters came from there...
But it also depends on the program, and the type of ads they are sending. Mec co-op sends 99% searches, so I think it is fair for them to only accept the countries they are targeting to. If you only send out affiliate programs where the US can sign up, then it is pointless letting other countries join. But, if like most programs, it is mostly ptr ads or search to all countries, then I think all countries should be allowed.
Just because a person lives in an english speaking country doesnt guarantee that they have good english, it doesnt guarantee they wont use cheat software, so I have nothing wrong with a 3 strikes and out with cheat links and fair english speaker tests. I know there is no point in me joining french or german ptr's because my french and german are not strong enough, I would deserve to be caught out on a cheat/english link there if I tried to join.
Make it clear in your terms what you expect of members and be fair but strict and always consistent in the rules no matter which country the member is from.
But it also depends on the program, and the type of ads they are sending. Mec co-op sends 99% searches, so I think it is fair for them to only accept the countries they are targeting to. If you only send out affiliate programs where the US can sign up, then it is pointless letting other countries join. But, if like most programs, it is mostly ptr ads or search to all countries, then I think all countries should be allowed.
Just because a person lives in an english speaking country doesnt guarantee that they have good english, it doesnt guarantee they wont use cheat software, so I have nothing wrong with a 3 strikes and out with cheat links and fair english speaker tests. I know there is no point in me joining french or german ptr's because my french and german are not strong enough, I would deserve to be caught out on a cheat/english link there if I tried to join.
Make it clear in your terms what you expect of members and be fair but strict and always consistent in the rules no matter which country the member is from.
| QUOTE (wagdoll @ Mar 28 2004, 09:09 PM) |
| I dont like seeing countries banned, what riles me most is when a po says, 'I had 10 cheaters from country X today, so I am banning everyone from that country'. In a way I think it is racist because they would never ban America or Canada however many cheaters came from there... But it also depends on the program, and the type of ads they are sending. Mec co-op sends 99% searches, so I think it is fair for them to only accept the countries they are targeting to. If you only send out affiliate programs where the US can sign up, then it is pointless letting other countries join. But, if like most programs, it is mostly ptr ads or search to all countries, then I think all countries should be allowed. Just because a person lives in an english speaking country doesnt guarantee that they have good english, it doesnt guarantee they wont use cheat software, so I have nothing wrong with a 3 strikes and out with cheat links and fair english speaker tests. I know there is no point in me joining french or german ptr's because my french and german are not strong enough, I would deserve to be caught out on a cheat/english link there if I tried to join. Make it clear in your terms what you expect of members and be fair but strict and always consistent in the rules no matter which country the member is from. |
what about search engines in the affiliate sense? just for argument sakes
For a search engine affiliate or any company affiliate, it should be imo, more important where the majority of their web site traffic comes from, and not the country where they themself live.
| QUOTE (wagdoll @ Mar 28 2004, 09:34 PM) |
| For a search engine affiliate or any company affiliate, it should be imo, more important where the majority of their web site traffic comes from, and not the country where they themself live. |
thankyou for your reply
I personally think that a program would do better if it was targetted to one country. For instance; you want outside advertisers, selling products that need to be sent via mail etc. so you have a US 'client database' for your US advertisers.
(USA just being an example; could be UK, NZ, whatever)
You may not have the amount of members you would have if it was open to all countries, but your chances of getting solid advertisers is greater, I think.
For instance, I cant make money from survey companies because my opinion as a South African rarely has any value to them. Fair enough, chances are I'm not going to buy their products and probably havent even heard of them!
If you want your program to run along the lines that the majority of ptr's are now, targetting people who can speak English rather than along geographical lines (not many 'solid, shippable' products being advertised) then I would open it to all countries.
Did I make any sense here?
Of course, if all programs had to go this way then I would be out. Just my opinion on what I think would work.
(USA just being an example; could be UK, NZ, whatever)
You may not have the amount of members you would have if it was open to all countries, but your chances of getting solid advertisers is greater, I think.
For instance, I cant make money from survey companies because my opinion as a South African rarely has any value to them. Fair enough, chances are I'm not going to buy their products and probably havent even heard of them!
If you want your program to run along the lines that the majority of ptr's are now, targetting people who can speak English rather than along geographical lines (not many 'solid, shippable' products being advertised) then I would open it to all countries.
Did I make any sense here?
Of course, if all programs had to go this way then I would be out. Just my opinion on what I think would work.
| QUOTE (MandyMooCow @ Mar 28 2004, 10:42 PM) |
| I personally think that a program would do better if it was targetted to one country. For instance; you want outside advertisers, selling products that need to be sent via mail etc. so you have a US 'client database' for your US advertisers. (USA just being an example; could be UK, NZ, whatever) You may not have the amount of members you would have if it was open to all countries, but your chances of getting solid advertisers is greater, I think. For instance, I cant make money from survey companies because my opinion as a South African rarely has any value to them. Fair enough, chances are I'm not going to buy their products and probably havent even heard of them! If you want your program to run along the lines that the majority of ptr's are now, targetting people who can speak English rather than along geographical lines (not many 'solid, shippable' products being advertised) then I would open it to all countries. Did I make any sense here? Of course, if all programs had to go this way then I would be out. Just my opinion on what I think would work. |
yeah thats probably getting a bit drastic as you can get the same effect by targeting
but thankyou for your comments
I guess what I was talking about was a new company, not an existing one, ie not deleting all members who arent from a certain country or blocking them, I dont agree with doing that.
I dont believe you could get the same effect from targetting; I know I would prefer to advertise my product using a program with an all-South African database rather than one that has members worldwide, and the option to target my country. When I can put into words WHY I would prefer it I will post - brain still recovering from too much wine
I dont believe you could get the same effect from targetting; I know I would prefer to advertise my product using a program with an all-South African database rather than one that has members worldwide, and the option to target my country. When I can put into words WHY I would prefer it I will post - brain still recovering from too much wine
Juliet i think you should open your doors to members form all over the web and do daily clean ups Like im doing i dont have many members but very active Click to it's now about 50-70%
Like im doing i dont have many members but very active Click to it's now about 50-70%
| QUOTE (ILoveCaroline @ Mar 29 2004, 07:09 AM) |
| Juliet i think you should open your doors to members form all over the web and do daily clean ups Like im doing i dont have many members but very active Click to it's now about 50-70% |
its very tempting to open up to everyone I guess I'm just a bit paranoid that it will mean so much more bad traffic I already get up 2/3 times in the night to check
| QUOTE (JulietNZ @ Mar 29 2004, 05:12 AM) | ||
its very tempting to open up to everyone I guess I'm just a bit paranoid that it will mean so much more bad traffic I already get up 2/3 times in the night to check |
heh i've check my database about 4-6 times a day
| QUOTE (ILoveCaroline @ Mar 30 2004, 02:51 AM) | ||||
heh i've check my database about 4-6 times a day |
is that all?
gees I feel like I'm checking my database every 20 mins
| QUOTE (JulietNZ @ Mar 30 2004, 04:23 AM) | ||||||
is that all? gees I feel like I'm checking my database every 20 mins |
Juliet we should creat PTR and we could have the most active database ever 99.9% ClickThru
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