LOL This is the best way to handle it. Over 100? Obviously, that should tell you something about a majority of sites.

In addition, how spamming works

I seen the posts re downtime, mwong(sp?) and the down servers.

It only costs more than its worth to the scammers. If you are legit, you wouldn't have to worry, would you?

As for the the "honest" people, wouldn't you say, to prevent downtime, which will happen regularly from the scammers, they will remove themselves? Find something legitmate?? So, they would not be affected? I would think.

All in all, the scams gotta stop

LOL You got that right I opted to get paid for them too!

So, like I said, Im saving my 1000's of emails and hope others do the same, for spam time down the road. On the scam sites, who will up and bail and down right cheat their members, delete accounts for being "rude" WTF? ROFL.

Ya TOS, "changed at any time", but not to the blantant obvious detriment of a member, especially those who pay for those memberships. (I haven't yet, Ill save my money for the honest sites). Changing Terms of Service to a company's advantage, ie, deleting, reducing, not paying, up and running (closing down) is FRAUD and a scam.

Come on now, you think just because its stated? Its protected? lol

Ever see this: "Surgeon generals warning: smoking causes lung cancer.....STILL liable!

If you think that clause "protects" these sites ROFL it doesn't. Trust me!

In addition, Spam will be a huge help in dealing with the cons

Now mind you, these pay per clicks etc, are run by everyday people. They are not concerned with the financial and criminal consequences, just because its the net. Or nothing has really been done about it. There are always paper trails.

All these sites are very similiar. Someone should speak with an attorney when they open a pay per click/mail business instead of thinking, copy & paste, cash & dash.

I'll tell you this. I plan on doing something about it. Whether it be criminal or civil. The net place has so many cons and scams, I got plenty of time to sift through the scams and the honest websites.

Ways to take down the scams and uplift the honest sites.

Let these scam sites get paid advertising from other scam sites, just don't include the search engines for revenue. Im working on that!!

Yeahhh Layla good points..

also the congress has considered rico action on spammers...racketeering...the internet has been added to ways criminals can collude...in addition to wire and phone lines

some "gangs' of wm...like that rebel crew actually could be considered in this...another huge fiasco is that annies biz..where the sweet annie had her 11K of monopoly money..esmartpay...frozen ...LOL

I agree that this is spam if the wm does not follow their part of the tos..

also..my new pet peeve is the way sites are switched around like hot potatos....ugh....bloated debt ridden sites are traded like baseball cards...disgusting..

I really think that the privacy act covers this;..when you join you join with one wm...you do NOT give them the right to sell your info..

lets face it..when a wm sells a site, they are selling the member base...
in violation of privacy act..

who would pay for a copycat script, a usually dumb name and either a copycat design or else a truly ugly design with graphics that were "new" and "hot" in like 1997 LOL>> yow

no...people are taking on the mailing list, the member list...to figure ways to drain it and squeeze it for the last few bucks..

layla..feel free to pm me or email me....cheriwave4@aol.com

I also like to talk on the phone so I would be happy to call you or vice versa I like the way you think

Wrong. There were over 150 sites that got shut down last weekend because of spam from only a few sites. They shut down the entire server with no warning which affected every site, NOT just the spammers.

You will hurt other, honest sites by doing this.

A contract does not always have to be signed to be a vaild contract. There are verbal contracts that are completely enforceable. There are three components required to make a contract valid and eforceable: Offer, Acceptance, and Consideration.

Offer -- PO sends paid email and promises to pay you to read it.

Acceptance -- you agree to receive it and click away.

COnsideration -- the "quid pro quo" or in this industry, adding up the clicks to pay you.

The breach -- failure to pay.

BUT WAIT ......

Just having those three components does not make it a vaild contract.

Both parites must have a capacity to enter the contract (i.e. age of majority, no impairment, etc.)

Both parties must assent to implied terms (anti-fraud laws, the substance of the contract must be legal, etc.)

ANd yes, there's more!

In all contracts, both parties must have a remedy in case of breach. The TOS in PTR as they are written favor the writer (PO/WM) and are inherently invalid.

Valid contracts cannot contain ambiguous or vague words like "reasonable", "fair" or "appropriate" if they relate to adherance to the contract. (A prime example is "will be paid in 30 days or a reasonable time thereafter" -- invalid for a contract)

Conditions of a contract must be "conscionable." An example that will invalidate a contract is "we can change the terms at any time without notice". There are two contact problems there -- it is "unconscionable" as it does not afford the same protrection or benefit to both parties, and a change in contract is called a "novation" and must be agreed to by both parties to keep the contract valid.

Severability - the TOS must state that if one portion is found uneforceable and is thrown out, the rest of the contract stands.

Entire Agreement -- a good TOS should state that the TOS is the entire agreement between the parties, and all changes (novations) must be agreed to by all parties to the contract (does not mean the entire member base but each individual member).

A contract, in most states, must state what state's laws will be used to determine validity (if the parties to the contracts are from different states).

I don't know about Canada, but electronically signed contracts have been enforceable in the US since 2000. An electronic signature can be something as simple as an "I Agree" tick box coupled with personally identifying information.

Does that help?

M

p.s. the elements of a contract are the same in almost every industrialized country in the world. The application of contract law may be different, but all but a very, very few countries have the same elements of contract law as described above.

Exactly .... there were only a few complaints and ALL the sites went down, it is common procedure, if complaints are received, everything is brought down without notice or a very short one and then investigation is done or measures taken, not the other way round ... so by doing this, instead of helping the good sites, you hurt them imho ... whereas the scammers/spammers probably don't care one bit, just change hosting and start again.

So if this is the case, wouldn't it make sense for a hosting service to be a little more careful about who it accepts as clients?

If a host receives a report that one of its clients has illegal content, or is engaged in illegal activities, isn't it in the host's best interests to investigate and remove the site if necessary?

So why would PTRs be any different?

Complaints should go to the PTR first, then the host, then the hosts provider, and so on until somebody takes responsibility. And if that means bringing down a 150 sites until things can be sorted out, then I guess that's the way it would have to be.

Hosting providers might have to start looking a bit harder at the people they're accpeting payment from.

Cheers,

Wil

HYia,

Hmmmm ... ok, very often suddenly, the host receive notice from his data center that they will be shut down due to excessive spam complaint.

The host doesn't generally receive a long notice when that happens so first thing he does is moving all the sites asap and then investigate who is the culprit and take measures.

The host cannot know in advance who will complaint, about what site and what for ? They don't have a crystal ball.
First the sites need to breake the rules and SPAM etc... then reports are sent by people but before the host can notice it and do something, generally, it is already too late.

That is exactly what they do ...

Like I said before, unless you have a crystal ball, it is impossible too know in advance what the webmaster will do ... unless you refuse all clients but well, then am not sure your hosting service will be very productive

I really do think that reporting left and right without thinking further harms a lot the innocent ones and the scammers reported that way just change host and have a good laugh ...

Sophie

Report them to their hosts.

Cheers,

Wil