I don't care that I am about to be deleted. I am a little under the 50.00 payout at April's and we get an email asking which option we want : raise payout to 100.00 or increase payout to 90 days, what a choice. She is already up to 60 days so I don't see how an extra 30 days will make much difference. Before it is all over I figure they will both be put in action.
It is taking a lot of time to go through all the accounts to make sure all is correct. Fine, I would hope so. She hired helpers who are right now away because of personal issues, sick, stuck in an elevator, stubbed toe, who the heck knows. I don't really care. And I guess with April taking on the new site, her time is even less now. That wasn't a very good explanation for me....not enough time...
I stuck with Nile's went Kath went over the wall, been with Betty's through three owners now, working with Annie's fiasco but I will not rescue another dern program. If I wanted to rescue things I would go to the Humane Society !!
If she institues the 100.00 payout she is going to increase click value. HELLO isn't this part of the problem? Well to be honest that hasn't been said.........though I wonder.
Full Version: Straw that broke this camel's back
Didn't she just recently take on ANOTHER program?? And I thought I saw her posting she had helpers.
Again, as I said in the other thread in Complaints, there is NO EXCUSE. PERIOD. If you can't handle what you have already, why take on something else? And why CREATE the problems if you don't have to? NO ONE forced her to be a wildfire, throwing out high paying links, or anything else. The members don't create the problems, the po allows them to happen.
Another clueless wonder? Or someone again who thought, "I didn't realize it would get so big."
Raising payout won't help. She'll meet problems again. I've watched this one. Didn't feel right at the beginning and am glad this time I listened to myself.
Again, as I said in the other thread in Complaints, there is NO EXCUSE. PERIOD. If you can't handle what you have already, why take on something else? And why CREATE the problems if you don't have to? NO ONE forced her to be a wildfire, throwing out high paying links, or anything else. The members don't create the problems, the po allows them to happen.
Another clueless wonder? Or someone again who thought, "I didn't realize it would get so big."
Raising payout won't help. She'll meet problems again. I've watched this one. Didn't feel right at the beginning and am glad this time I listened to myself.
Just another one joining the great big pile of #### that is mounting higher and higher.
But then there will always be 2 or 3 more a day to join and lose your money with.
I'll have to be careful what I say though because everyone loves Aprils that is run by such a nice kind honest person.
Ooops, here come the supporters......................
But then there will always be 2 or 3 more a day to join and lose your money with.
I'll have to be careful what I say though because everyone loves Aprils that is run by such a nice kind honest person.
Ooops, here come the supporters......................
They aren't allowed to make any comments anywhere but gomama....lol I deleted myself and it felt GOOD. I am gunna be a deadbeat dad type from now on. I will not support these children any longer. 
Just another bump on the PTR worlds head.
<Raising eyebrow to ROOF> NOT ALLOWED to comment??
| QUOTE (sooozie @ Feb 24 2004, 03:58 PM) |
| Didn't she just recently take on ANOTHER program?? And I thought I saw her posting she had helpers. Again, as I said in the other thread in Complaints, there is NO EXCUSE. PERIOD. If you can't handle what you have already, why take on something else? And why CREATE the problems if you don't have to? NO ONE forced her to be a wildfire, throwing out high paying links, or anything else. The members don't create the problems, the po allows them to happen. Another clueless wonder? Or someone again who thought, "I didn't realize it would get so big." Raising payout won't help. She'll meet problems again. I've watched this one. Didn't feel right at the beginning and am glad this time I listened to myself. |
wow...who is this owner? what other site do they run (or run into the ground lol)
and...why?? I can not figure how someone who is having trouble paying/running sites would take on a big site with a big debt....
none of the "oh so businesslike" new owners/site savers will respond...I guess they cant...there is really no good reason, unless it is to control/own a large database of names..
hoping to pull a debt ridden site out is nutz...
what next? will we have th e "loyal supportes" come and ask for donations now??
JMO...the best thing would be to let a few of these huge, debt ridden programs die..start off fresh, other programs will have a better chance, and hopefully not undersell ads like the "big" ones did...JMO
| QUOTE (Ubekidn @ Feb 24 2004, 04:05 PM) |
| They aren't allowed to make any comments anywhere but gomama....lol |
WHAAATTTTT?????
Is she kidding???????????????????
she hasnt even raised it yet, i cant believe how much your overreacting
aprilgolds is a great program!
if she hasnt got the money to pay us then she has to raise the payout- which is fine -it was inevitable that this would happen, all programs that make massive losses on their ads have to do something.
i just cant believe people would complain about this if you want to be paid on time go and join those crappy 1/4c ad sites!
aprilgolds is a great program!
if she hasnt got the money to pay us then she has to raise the payout- which is fine -it was inevitable that this would happen, all programs that make massive losses on their ads have to do something.
i just cant believe people would complain about this if you want to be paid on time go and join those crappy 1/4c ad sites!
| QUOTE (angi @ Feb 25 2004, 06:23 AM) | ||
WHAAATTTTT????? Is she kidding??????????????????? |
April won't answer questions posted at any forum other than Go-Mamma. I think some people need to read the admin e-mails a little closer before posting.
Hi Ubekidn
I don't know how much under the $50 you are, but if you haven't been to Aprils site recently there is at the moment over $2 in the PTC and PTS sections.
Hope that helps
I don't know how much under the $50 you are, but if you haven't been to Aprils site recently there is at the moment over $2 in the PTC and PTS sections.
Hope that helps
Freebie, I think you misunderstood my post. I was commenting on her FIRST site. I know the person who used to own the 2nd one. I very much doubt it was in debt when April took it over.
And, Nafan, it's ACCEPTABLE for ANY program to undersell ads, then come crying out, I can't pay so I have to raise the payout? Please tell me HOW it's alright? If she's even thinking along these lines, she's already sunk. What more do you need? Will she, along with raising payout, lower ref levels, change ad prices, STOP running specials (if she has them), get people paid who already reached the initial payout? It's ok she put herself into debt? Doing the same things others have that's not ok in every other program?
She's nice so it's ok?
And by the way, these "crappy" 1/4 cent sites are way less in debt, pay their members regularly, and rarely change TOS to suit them. Sure, takes a while to make payout, BUT THEY WILL BE HERE LONG AFTER THESE OTHERS DIE A PAINFUL DEATH.
And, Nafan, it's ACCEPTABLE for ANY program to undersell ads, then come crying out, I can't pay so I have to raise the payout? Please tell me HOW it's alright? If she's even thinking along these lines, she's already sunk. What more do you need? Will she, along with raising payout, lower ref levels, change ad prices, STOP running specials (if she has them), get people paid who already reached the initial payout? It's ok she put herself into debt? Doing the same things others have that's not ok in every other program?
She's nice so it's ok?
And by the way, these "crappy" 1/4 cent sites are way less in debt, pay their members regularly, and rarely change TOS to suit them. Sure, takes a while to make payout, BUT THEY WILL BE HERE LONG AFTER THESE OTHERS DIE A PAINFUL DEATH.
| QUOTE (No1duckie @ Feb 24 2004, 04:30 PM) | ||||
April won't answer questions posted at any forum other than Go-Mamma. I think some people need to read the admin e-mails a little closer before posting. |
I hope that wasn't intended for me!!
And I am NOT bashing anyone or any program---I just expressed my shock---so do not jump down my throat!!!!!!!!
Edit: Sorry I was very mean in my post. I'm very sorry.
Here's what I said nicer:
She isn't answering any of my questions, be it in emails, her support folder, pms, or anything. I would really like a response as I still have an ad from 2 months ago that hasn't been sent.
Here's what I said nicer:
She isn't answering any of my questions, be it in emails, her support folder, pms, or anything. I would really like a response as I still have an ad from 2 months ago that hasn't been sent.
| QUOTE (angi @ Feb 25 2004, 06:38 AM) | ||||||
I hope that wasn't intended for me!! And I am NOT bashing anyone or any program---I just expressed my shock---so do not jump down my throat!!!!!!!! |
No Angi, that wasn't intended for you. I was just clarifying that what you were shocked about wasn't correct. The person that posted what you were shocked about needs to read their admin e-mail again. Sorry ...... didn't mean to upset you.
The Email answers every concievable question that has been asked of late.
There has not been any change in the TOS.
She has suggested a change and wants the members opinions on it.
No more, No less.
There has not been any change in the TOS.
She has suggested a change and wants the members opinions on it.
No more, No less.
Well she's giving us two options:
Raise the TOS payout time to 90 days
or
Double the payout and having higher valued links
April says we have a choice, but methinks someone's mind is made up.
So looks to me like we're looking at a double payout situation, which as she reminded us she could have just DONE IT instead of coming to us first with the *choices*.
I'd rather see the payout time stretched to 90 days.
A clicker would only have to wait 30 days longer to be paid instead of waiting until another $50 was clicked.
This would benefit all members as a whole, small clickers included.
Hmmmmmmm,
Raised payout to $100
Higher priced links (which also increases downline earnings)
Who's going to benefit from this and who isn't...
AGAIN?
<insert puking smiley here>
So my question is:
For those of us that have already cashed out at $50 and have been waiting for payout,
Will the new payout increase (to $100) affect us, are we still in line to be paid?
Or do we have to watch our payout request that we've been waiting for evaporate, go back and click another $50 and in a few months submit another request to be paid?
GPTR is REALLY REALLY becoming a huge commitment.
And sooozie we CANNOT post her email on the forums and we CANNOT bash April's (which normally means you can't discuss problems or issues with a program since a PO normally considers that bashing) and she says she won't respond to any post that's not on her own forum.
I'm waiting to find out the status of my payout request.
I either get paid at the $50 level or I'll probably quit.
I'm not interested in clicking up ANOTHER $50 storm for everyone in my upline to keep getting paid while I haven't gotten a ###### dime.
Screw that.
Raise the TOS payout time to 90 days
or
Double the payout and having higher valued links
April says we have a choice, but methinks someone's mind is made up.
So looks to me like we're looking at a double payout situation, which as she reminded us she could have just DONE IT instead of coming to us first with the *choices*.
I'd rather see the payout time stretched to 90 days.
A clicker would only have to wait 30 days longer to be paid instead of waiting until another $50 was clicked.
This would benefit all members as a whole, small clickers included.
Hmmmmmmm,
Raised payout to $100
Higher priced links (which also increases downline earnings)
Who's going to benefit from this and who isn't...
AGAIN?
<insert puking smiley here>
So my question is:
For those of us that have already cashed out at $50 and have been waiting for payout,
Will the new payout increase (to $100) affect us, are we still in line to be paid?
Or do we have to watch our payout request that we've been waiting for evaporate, go back and click another $50 and in a few months submit another request to be paid?
GPTR is REALLY REALLY becoming a huge commitment.
And sooozie we CANNOT post her email on the forums and we CANNOT bash April's (which normally means you can't discuss problems or issues with a program since a PO normally considers that bashing) and she says she won't respond to any post that's not on her own forum.
I'm waiting to find out the status of my payout request.
I either get paid at the $50 level or I'll probably quit.
I'm not interested in clicking up ANOTHER $50 storm for everyone in my upline to keep getting paid while I haven't gotten a ###### dime.
Screw that.
No problem no1duckie--I am not upset 
I just hope we do not get deleted ((aack)) for discussing this here 
I just hope we do not get deleted ((aack)) for discussing this here
You are right about there has not been a change yet.....do you think that there will not be a major change? I hope for your sake there isn't one, but I didn't feel like staying around to find out. That is my option and I took it.
| QUOTE (sooozie @ Feb 24 2004, 05:34 PM) |
| And, Nafan, it's ACCEPTABLE for ANY program to undersell ads, then come crying out, I can't pay so I have to raise the payout? Please tell me HOW it's alright? If she's even thinking along these lines, she's already sunk. What more do you need? Will she, along with raising payout, lower ref levels, change ad prices, STOP running specials (if she has them), get people paid who already reached the initial payout? It's ok she put herself into debt? Doing the same things others have that's not ok in every other program? She's nice so it's ok? And by the way, these "crappy" 1/4 cent sites are way less in debt, pay their members regularly, and rarely change TOS to suit them. Sure, takes a while to make payout, BUT THEY WILL BE HERE LONG AFTER THESE OTHERS DIE A PAINFUL DEATH. |
way to put it soozie
I'd rather click my fingers of to reach $1-5$ at a site sending low value links because i KNOW i will be paid on time, then clicking those great looking 5-10 cent links when i am unsure if or when i will get paid once i reach the $50-$150 payout.
LOL, by the time, if ever, people will start getting paid (6 months... if not more clicking, at least 90 days to wait for payment) i will have gotten at least a couple of payouts on some of those "lousy" 1/4 cent link sites...so who's ahead then
| QUOTE (nafan @ Feb 25 2004, 06:26 AM) |
| she hasnt even raised it yet, i cant believe how much your overreacting aprilgolds is a great program! if she hasnt got the money to pay us then she has to raise the payout- which is fine -it was inevitable that this would happen, all programs that make massive losses on their ads have to do something. i just cant believe people would complain about this if you want to be paid on time go and join those crappy 1/4c ad sites! |
At least the crappy 1/4c sites pay...And keep the SAME terms they have had since the day they opened.
Thanks, Anon. That, I think I'm still more shocked about than anything. The ability to voice concerns, ask advice, discuss problems, and ask that inevitable question....WHY. There is no bashing here, merely questions. And WHY. There isn't anything wrong with that.
Actually, an email stating that the redemption center is down, please refrain from sending ads and requesting cashout at this time until X date, and let me get in order would have served a better purpose.
Or putting up like a 45 day to 60 day structure. Or even 90 days. And just keep it at that, and when the redemptions open up again, pay in order requested.
Or is that too difficult?
Actually, an email stating that the redemption center is down, please refrain from sending ads and requesting cashout at this time until X date, and let me get in order would have served a better purpose.
Or putting up like a 45 day to 60 day structure. Or even 90 days. And just keep it at that, and when the redemptions open up again, pay in order requested.
Or is that too difficult?
| QUOTE (kotafides @ Feb 24 2004, 02:47 PM) |
| The Email answers every concievable question that has been asked of late. There has not been any change in the TOS. She has suggested a change and wants the members opinions on it. No more, No less. |
she has made suggestions and wants her members opinion but it is obvious she is
going to make changes!! Just what they will be will depend on what needs to be
done for the programs survival and input from the members. Atm least she is
asking members for input which is a lot more than most WM do!
And just to play devil's advocate, you know that which ever option "wins" was truly the way the members voted??? I for one wouldn't have a clue if anyone voted at all, for a fact. I don't believe half of what I read anymore and believe even less. I know that is just me.
| QUOTE (cashjob @ Feb 24 2004, 07:00 PM) | ||
way to put it soozie I'd rather click my fingers of to reach $1-5$ at a site sending low value links because i KNOW i will be paid on time, then clicking those great looking 5-10 cent links when i am unsure if or when i will get paid once i reach the $50-$150 payout. LOL, by the time, if ever, people will start getting paid (6 months... if not more clicking, at least 90 days to wait for payment) i will have gotten at least a couple of payouts on some of those "lousy" 1/4 cent link sites...so who's ahead then |
Agreed, I'd rather click 1/4 cent links for 6 months for $5 and get paid, then click 5 cent links for 6 months for possibly nothing.
April asked that her emails not be posted here and said anyone bashing her in the forums would be deleted. Bashing to me is cussing someone calling them scam, fraud etc etc.
Merely discussing something is very different and April doesn't seem the type of person who would start deleting people for merely discussing things.
I am concerned with her taking on another program as she has with PearlRewards, as she is obviously nowhere near caugt up on April's.
Merely discussing something is very different and April doesn't seem the type of person who would start deleting people for merely discussing things.
I am concerned with her taking on another program as she has with PearlRewards, as she is obviously nowhere near caugt up on April's.
| QUOTE |
| she hasnt even raised it yet, i cant believe how much your overreacting aprilgolds is a great program! if she hasnt got the money to pay us then she has to raise the payout- which is fine -it was inevitable that this would happen, all programs that make massive losses on their ads have to do something. i just cant believe people would complain about this if you want to be paid on time go and join those crappy 1/4c ad sites! |
Sorry but I must be from mars! I fail to see how doubling payout and increasing the link value is going to make payments come faster.
Oh sure, they will come faster to those with huge downlines period and the rest of the little guys low on the totem pole will be clicking away for what?
To see the payout again doubled when too many members reach the $100 payout.
If it is truly a lack of time to process the payment requests...then increase the time needed to do so period. Although, as I understood it that was not this site's preferred choice when making the final decision.
I'll join those 1/4 cent sites anyday. And be my guest to click your fingers off at all those programs offering 5cent links promising you the world. Note the preoperative word here is "Promise".
| QUOTE |
| if she hasnt got the money to pay us then she has to raise the payout- which is fine -it was inevitable that this would happen, |
I'm from mars please explain this rationale to me. If as stated she hasn't got the money to pay members now...how in the name of "Hello" is doubling payout and raising link value going to bring in the cash flow to pay members who eventually will again reach payout despite it having been raised?
I think the bottom line is the cash cow has been milked for all it's worth and there is no more. But by all means let's continue to milk that dried up cash cow. Myself I'll go join those low paid link sites that pay me and don't give me excuse after excuse, trying to justify their inability to pay.
It is becoming more and more prevelant within GPR, especially with newer sites that are popping up, you can't talk about what is happenning with a site due to the threat of deletion....well I guess thats one way to lower your site debt...
....as for the "crappy 1/2 cent sites".....I have to agree with you there guys...I am a member of quite a few of those type of sites and they are the ones who are paying me regularly....I have to admit I am a member of a few higher payout sites which have also paid me but maybe I was just lucky with them.....
....as for the "crappy 1/2 cent sites".....I have to agree with you there guys...I am a member of quite a few of those type of sites and they are the ones who are paying me regularly....I have to admit I am a member of a few higher payout sites which have also paid me but maybe I was just lucky with them.....
Ok don't bash me here guys I am just stating this from experiences with all the ptrs that I'm with. I am with alot of big ones and alot of the little ones.I guess it goes both ways because some of the smaller ones I am with there is either not enough ads circulating for me to even reach the minimum payout because the member base is either too small and they rely mostly on members to buy advertising.And yes some of the smaller sites have even taken off with members money when they can't hack it anymore or they are just not paying and opening other sites also.Now for the bigger sites, yes some of them do run their sites in a way that creates massive debt well over their heads and they raise payout and even close down with all of are money.I don't believe that debt is the issue with Aprils.As she has said before, she is just wating for her help.It's not like she isn't working hard here to please everyone.Some webmasters don't even bother consulting their members about changes they just do it.So it's not just the big guys here it's the little ones as well. I personally love Aprils and have been paid 3 times already and I intend to stick around.Again I am only stating this from personal experiences.Everyone may not agree with what people say but then again we are all entitled to our own opinions
| QUOTE (Ubekidn @ Feb 24 2004, 06:49 PM) |
| I stuck with Nile's went Kath went over the wall, been with Betty's through three owners now, working with Annie's fiasco but I will not rescue another dern program. |
These are the ones ! Broke the camel's back << right on, they are the ones.
The sad part is they are still around with different owners and keeping people hanging on by extending payout while they deal with the debt, or in the case of Nile, ignore it.
We already stated our ideas on aprils gold on the boycott site 3 weeks ago and I might add got a nice caining for it. the origonal issue there was a "glitch" where all earnings where lost and then they where replaced (great) The problem is that we have been running 6 sites of over 7 years and have not had one of these "glitches" ever. anyway thats beside the point.
oh my username is to the left - just for the supporters that wish to pass it on.
Raising the payout - well again more time buying. This is what I can not understand about the raising of payouts - do the advertisers, like it the real world, have a monthly account with the program and have they not paid - so they have a 30 day net or some such - so this puts the PO on the position of not being able to pay its member unless they draw from their cash reserves.
Answer NO - they pay up front before the ad runs - so the next question is - where did that money go? - when members redeem for ads they return a percentage of the origonal ads they clicked on to run the ad - this money is taken from the account before the ad is run - again where did the money go?
Is there any reason based on the way money comes into the site, why they can not have a 7 day net term for the members? Answer NO - They have the money though it is absorbed through poor finanial management and as freebie says - underselling their ads - where will that take them - broke.
Any changes that the PO feels they have to make is in no way a way to benefit the members, so why try to make it look that way. Extenting the payout is just a way to stave off the wolves with the hope to buy more time to find a way to generate more cash flow for the business.
I beleive this PO in the current issue made a statement to me publicly, with regard to a simple suggestion made to her, "I am NOT trusting just anyone with MY site. My members Trust ME..... I am sure that they want someone that I trust before they will ever trust someone I hire to help me.
As far as I am concerned...I will continue running April Gold's and also Take over Pearl Rewards when the time comes completely by myself and do a darn good job of it."
This part of the response to suggesting that she use an auto responder for support email,to take the pressure of her having to deal with so many members emailing her when something goes wrong (glitches) and in no way suggested using someone else. Another display of lack of understanding or for that matter listening to others (members suggestions) So asking her members what we think of raising the payout or whatever is dead set pointless to respond to because as it was said before she has already made up her mind.
It would a shame if this site fell and for april and the members i feel sorry. She has worked hard to build it and I hope that what she is now doing is successful for her sake and the sake of the members. As I can not give her any advise that would help in this situation and I am afraid it would only fall on deaf ears.
Paul
oh my username is to the left - just for the supporters that wish to pass it on.
Raising the payout - well again more time buying. This is what I can not understand about the raising of payouts - do the advertisers, like it the real world, have a monthly account with the program and have they not paid - so they have a 30 day net or some such - so this puts the PO on the position of not being able to pay its member unless they draw from their cash reserves.
Answer NO - they pay up front before the ad runs - so the next question is - where did that money go? - when members redeem for ads they return a percentage of the origonal ads they clicked on to run the ad - this money is taken from the account before the ad is run - again where did the money go?
Is there any reason based on the way money comes into the site, why they can not have a 7 day net term for the members? Answer NO - They have the money though it is absorbed through poor finanial management and as freebie says - underselling their ads - where will that take them - broke.
Any changes that the PO feels they have to make is in no way a way to benefit the members, so why try to make it look that way. Extenting the payout is just a way to stave off the wolves with the hope to buy more time to find a way to generate more cash flow for the business.
I beleive this PO in the current issue made a statement to me publicly, with regard to a simple suggestion made to her, "I am NOT trusting just anyone with MY site. My members Trust ME..... I am sure that they want someone that I trust before they will ever trust someone I hire to help me.
As far as I am concerned...I will continue running April Gold's and also Take over Pearl Rewards when the time comes completely by myself and do a darn good job of it."
This part of the response to suggesting that she use an auto responder for support email,to take the pressure of her having to deal with so many members emailing her when something goes wrong (glitches) and in no way suggested using someone else. Another display of lack of understanding or for that matter listening to others (members suggestions) So asking her members what we think of raising the payout or whatever is dead set pointless to respond to because as it was said before she has already made up her mind.
It would a shame if this site fell and for april and the members i feel sorry. She has worked hard to build it and I hope that what she is now doing is successful for her sake and the sake of the members. As I can not give her any advise that would help in this situation and I am afraid it would only fall on deaf ears.
Paul
can anyone say "membership cap"
notice how these mega sites are all seeming to go down the tubes...
notice how these mega sites are all seeming to go down the tubes...
| QUOTE (vanderwerf11 @ Feb 24 2004, 08:41 PM) |
| I can not understand about the raising of payouts - do the advertisers, like it the real world, have a monthly account with the program and have they not paid - so they have a 30 day net or some such - so this puts the PO on the position of not being able to pay its member unless they draw from their cash reserves. Answer NO - they pay up front before the ad runs - so the next question is - where did that money go? - when members redeem for ads they return a percentage of the origonal ads they clicked on to run the ad - this money is taken from the account before the ad is run - again where did the money go? Is there any reason based on the way money comes into the site, why they can not have a 7 day net term for the members? Answer NO - They have the money though it is absorbed through poor finanial management and as freebie says - underselling their ads - where will that take them - broke. Any changes that the PO feels they have to make is in no way a way to benefit the members, so why try to make it look that way. Extenting the payout is just a way to stave off the wolves with the hope to buy more time to find a way to generate more cash flow for the business. I beleive this PO in the current issue made a statement to me publicly, with regard to a simple suggestion made to her, "I am NOT trusting just anyone with MY site. My members Trust ME..... I am sure that they want someone that I trust before they will ever trust someone I hire to help me. As far as I am concerned...I will continue running April Gold's and also Take over Pearl Rewards when the time comes completely by myself and do a darn good job of it." This part of the response to suggesting that she use an auto responder for support email,to take the pressure of her having to deal with so many members emailing her when something goes wrong (glitches) and in no way suggested using someone else. Another display of lack of understanding or for that matter listening to others (members suggestions) So asking her members what we think of raising the payout or whatever is dead set pointless to respond to because as it was said before she has already made up her mind. It would a shame if this site fell and for april and the members i feel sorry. She has worked hard to build it and I hope that what she is now doing is successful for her sake and the sake of the members. As I can not give her any advise that would help in this situation and I am afraid it would only fall on deaf ears. Paul |
You make some good points there...where DOES the money go?? I think with the overambitious "signup bonus" deals, the undersold ads a lot of it is quickly owed beore the next ads come in...poor planning, wrong thinking
as for the "meglomaniac" attitude some of these webmasters have..ow...wow///
a good business person can delegate...keeping total "control" is just egotistical..and taking ona yet another site when one is in trouble?? ouch again
raising payouts, changing tos, then getting all "huffy"....a pattern we are seeing more and more..all to cover up the real problems...
Hello,
My name is Carol and I'm a click-A-holic.... LOL
Now what ? .... ? I keep clicking thats what,
so, April's is in a jam too. what do ya do ?
2 choices.... Click or Not Click ....
Me ? I click.... all the griping in the world
will not make payout go fast, or go down....
Goodluck to everyone,
this is my first Rodeo/Posting,
so I'm sorry if it isn't Kosher.
cc
My name is Carol and I'm a click-A-holic.... LOL
Now what ? .... ? I keep clicking thats what,
so, April's is in a jam too. what do ya do ?
2 choices.... Click or Not Click ....
Me ? I click.... all the griping in the world
will not make payout go fast, or go down....
Goodluck to everyone,
this is my first Rodeo/Posting,
so I'm sorry if it isn't Kosher.
cc
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| I am with alot of big ones and alot of the little ones.I guess it goes both ways because some of the smaller ones I am with there is either not enough ads circulating for me to even reach the minimum payout because the member base is either too small and they rely mostly on members to buy advertising |
I usually stay out of these discussions and no offense to the author of this quote, just making a point here....part of being a member of a PTR is to support it. Maybe if we did buy more or even redeem for an ad more often they would stay stronger. Without member support none of these sites can survive, no matter what they pay or how big they are. As for April, I like her site and I like some of the new high paying ones too. We all know there's somewhat of a risk involved when we sign up with any of these sites, but we keep signing LOL. BTW, I am very proud to be a co-owner of one of those "crappy 1/4 cent sites"!
What's funny is that I brought up her ridiculous ad prices back in the day and was flamed from here to there because of it... She said that the ad specials I was looking at were only good until the 1st of February, but upon looking at the advertising page just now, I see that the prices are still nowhere near where they should be. Not that I'm surprised, but it's disappointing.
| QUOTE (heartofanangel @ Feb 24 2004, 08:05 PM) |
| I am with alot of big ones and alot of the little ones.I guess it goes both ways because some of the smaller ones I am with there is either not enough ads circulating for me to even reach the minimum payout because the member base is either too small and they rely mostly on members to buy advertising. |
Um....no.......lack of ads for you to click on has nothing to do with the size of the memberbase.
Having a small memberbase is just fine.
The problem is that those same members are spending their money at all those pie-in-the-sky programs. You know, the ones where you can buy a 10 cent ad to 5,000 members for $20.00?
If those members would take that $20 and buy 3 ads to 500 members at a smaller program with legitimate ad prices, everyone would be getting paid...and paid fast!
And if enough members would go back to their "roots" so to speak and do this, those 1/4 and 1/2 cent links would ad up pretty darn fast.
Wanna know why?
Because the proggies with legit prices actually have enough money to PAY members when they request payment (GASP!)
And wether we say it out loud or not......yes, sites DO rely on members to buy ads.
In case you haven't noticed, Sears, Home Depot, Chevrolet and Sony are not exactly busting down our doors to buy advertising. And they wouldn't do it if we asked them to.
Heck, WE would have to pay THEM to advertise on our sites. LOL!
Anyway, I am waiting for two $50 programs to pay me right now.
I will not make the mistake of joining those unrealistic types of programs again. My loyalty is to the proggies that pay and who will not compromise their integrity.
| QUOTE (rosie1 @ Feb 24 2004, 09:48 PM) |
| BTW, I am very proud to be a co-owner of one of those "crappy 1/4 cent sites"! |
Same here
Feels good....doesn't it?
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| QUOTE (rosie1 @ Feb 24 2004, 09:48 PM) BTW, I am very proud to be a co-owner of one of those "crappy 1/4 cent sites"! Same here Feels good....doesn't it? |
It most certainly does!!!
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| BTW, I am very proud to be a co-owner of one of those "crappy 1/4 cent sites"! |
I'm the other half of that 1/4 cent crappy site and proud of it too.. In fact I have two more that I am proud of as well.
We pay members in less than 48 hours.. most in less than 6... everytime... and all of my sites that i own and co-own are all less than 6 months old and have had cashouts on all membership levels.
Don't knock all the low paying sites.. there are some pretty good ones out there. I am a member of quite a few and have been paid numerous times by each of them.
Off topic, but Mare, whats going on with LFNY?
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| Off topic, but Mare, whats going on with LFNY? |
Cybertongue.
Sorry it's changing servers.. should be up in a few days.. in tact... didn't really know where to post it.. so if you know of an appropriate place.. feel free to post that.. thanks.
| QUOTE (mare1213 @ Feb 24 2004, 09:19 PM) | ||
Cybertongue. Sorry it's changing servers.. should be up in a few days.. in tact... didn't really know where to post it.. so if you know of an appropriate place.. feel free to post that.. thanks. |
Thanks, it's no biggie, just thought I'd ask you while you were here.
This is happening too frequently........How many times do people have to see it before they wake up and pull their heads out of their butts. These sites do not last. They last long enought to pay a few. This is just the beggining. Next week or next month she will be having family problems,her dog will of ate the back up disk, a hacker will attack her, she will give the site to a WELL TRUSTED WEBMASTER/WEBMISTRISS or........heaven forbid she will just close the doors and walk away.... The poop that she is shoveling down peoples throats is just that poop.....you can sugar coat it by calling her nice, sweet or just a great overall person........But guess what its still poop.......I will not support another site with a huge amount of debt being taken over by anyone..I wont click their support links and I sure as heck wont search. You know what I will do. I will sit on my butt and help lower the click ratio. Clicking the search links and doing the site support links is not going to get you paid. What it is going to do is put money in someones pocket who says 2, 3 or 4 months later ........Its to much for me, I cant handle all the complaints or emails or this or that. Anyone have an idea of how much debt that site is in? Guess what your not going to know because she aint going to tell.
You can say Im bashing or whatever but that is my opinion. Ive been there done this all before and it always ends up the same.....So rip my post to shreads...scream at me through your monitor...Call me names....But guess what.....It dont change the truth now does it
You can say Im bashing or whatever but that is my opinion. Ive been there done this all before and it always ends up the same.....So rip my post to shreads...scream at me through your monitor...Call me names....But guess what.....It dont change the truth now does it
| QUOTE (Mystical2000 @ Feb 25 2004, 01:18 PM) |
| This is happening too frequently........How many times do people have to see it before they wake up and pull their heads out of their butts. These sites do not last. They last long enought to pay a few. This is just the beggining. Next week or next month she will be having family problems,her dog will of ate the back up disk, a hacker will attack her, she will give the site to a WELL TRUSTED WEBMASTER/WEBMISTRISS or........heaven forbid she will just close the doors and walk away.... The poop that she is shoveling down peoples throats is just that poop.....you can sugar coat it by calling her nice, sweet or just a great overall person........But guess what its still poop.......I will not support another site with a huge amount of debt being taken over by anyone..I wont click their support links and I sure as heck wont search. You know what I will do. I will sit on my butt and help lower the click ratio. Clicking the search links and doing the site support links is not going to get you paid. What it is going to do is put money in someones pocket who says 2, 3 or 4 months later ........Its to much for me, I cant handle all the complaints or emails or this or that. Anyone have an idea of how much debt that site is in? Guess what your not going to know because she aint going to tell. You can say Im bashing or whatever but that is my opinion. Ive been there done this all before and it always ends up the same.....So rip my post to shreads...scream at me through your monitor...Call me names....But guess what.....It dont change the truth now does it |
I agree with you, Whole heartedly
LMAO!!! Our Mystiebunz gets to the "poop" of the matter, quite fast.
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| This is happening too frequently........How many times do people have to see it before they wake up and pull their heads out of their butts. These sites do not last. They last long enought to pay a few. This is just the beggining. Next week or next month she will be having family problems,her dog will of ate the back up disk, a hacker will attack her, she will give the site to a WELL TRUSTED WEBMASTER/WEBMISTRISS or........heaven forbid she will just close the doors and walk away.... The poop that she is shoveling down peoples throats is just that poop.....you can sugar coat it by calling her nice, sweet or just a great overall person........But guess what its still poop.......I will not support another site with a huge amount of debt being taken over by anyone..I wont click their support links and I sure as heck wont search. You know what I will do. I will sit on my butt and help lower the click ratio. Clicking the search links and doing the site support links is not going to get you paid. What it is going to do is put money in someones pocket who says 2, 3 or 4 months later ........Its to much for me, I cant handle all the complaints or emails or this or that. Anyone have an idea of how much debt that site is in? Guess what your not going to know because she aint going to tell. You can say Im bashing or whatever but that is my opinion. Ive been there done this all before and it always ends up the same.....So rip my post to shreads...scream at me through your monitor...Call me names....But guess what.....It dont change the truth now does it |
lol way to go! Well said.
can anyone tell me how long this site has been around?
I believe that someone was saying that they redeemed ages ago and wondered if the raising the payout issue would effect them. Well here is your answer...
For those of you who already requested payout having $50.00 earned,
please re-request once you have reached $75.00. BUT I am going to do
random payouts a other fun things.
And there you have it folks...
On the side - For the supporters I think. The problem that arises from supporting someone that is 'nice' is way out there delusional. Sorry if this offends, it is true. Let say that I am well liked (which I'm not) and I have my hands on your money, and I fill you with all sorts of positive affirmations that make you want to believe, like and trust me. Then I take your money that you have blindly given to me because I appear nice and you think you can trust me because I think you are awesome. Then I make some seriously bad decisions on the investment of your funds and loose the lot. I didn?t lose my money, I lost yours. What do you do now? You have to remember that I think you are awesome (because you support my idea) and you think that I am the best thing since sliced bread. Would you continue to think I am great and say 'oh bugga he made an error' or would you change your thinking and hunt me down to skin me and retrieve what was stolen from you? Egos have no place in business at all.
I am happy for people to blindly follow people that they think are nice, in the end nice just does not cut it. An example is, the people that are part of our group don?t think I am nice at all, they do however trust and respect my judgment as a business owner and they know that, as a leader, I have the team best interest in mind. And in that any changes that directly affect them are their choice. I don't give and ultimatum that only reflects the benefits to me, but provide all the information that I have about an idea and ask my members to 'push back' on me with their own thoughts on it. This gives me the information to make a solid decision that will in turn benefit everyone concerned, not just me. With out their valued input (and me listening to it) I can only dictate to them and if I make the wrong choice I am to blame and they would hammer me over it. Once again I reflect back to members 'buy in'.
Sheeze I go on. It just chaffs me when these things happen, sometimes it doesn?t affect our team or me directly but in the end these types of practices affect us all one way or another.
So the choice was made to up the payout and the email says it is temporary, this as a member only makes me more nervous because what does that mean, temporary? Keep your eye out for the $150 payout guys and girls.
Paul
For those of you who already requested payout having $50.00 earned,
please re-request once you have reached $75.00. BUT I am going to do
random payouts a other fun things.
And there you have it folks...
On the side - For the supporters I think. The problem that arises from supporting someone that is 'nice' is way out there delusional. Sorry if this offends, it is true. Let say that I am well liked (which I'm not) and I have my hands on your money, and I fill you with all sorts of positive affirmations that make you want to believe, like and trust me. Then I take your money that you have blindly given to me because I appear nice and you think you can trust me because I think you are awesome. Then I make some seriously bad decisions on the investment of your funds and loose the lot. I didn?t lose my money, I lost yours. What do you do now? You have to remember that I think you are awesome (because you support my idea) and you think that I am the best thing since sliced bread. Would you continue to think I am great and say 'oh bugga he made an error' or would you change your thinking and hunt me down to skin me and retrieve what was stolen from you? Egos have no place in business at all.
I am happy for people to blindly follow people that they think are nice, in the end nice just does not cut it. An example is, the people that are part of our group don?t think I am nice at all, they do however trust and respect my judgment as a business owner and they know that, as a leader, I have the team best interest in mind. And in that any changes that directly affect them are their choice. I don't give and ultimatum that only reflects the benefits to me, but provide all the information that I have about an idea and ask my members to 'push back' on me with their own thoughts on it. This gives me the information to make a solid decision that will in turn benefit everyone concerned, not just me. With out their valued input (and me listening to it) I can only dictate to them and if I make the wrong choice I am to blame and they would hammer me over it. Once again I reflect back to members 'buy in'.
Sheeze I go on. It just chaffs me when these things happen, sometimes it doesn?t affect our team or me directly but in the end these types of practices affect us all one way or another.
So the choice was made to up the payout and the email says it is temporary, this as a member only makes me more nervous because what does that mean, temporary? Keep your eye out for the $150 payout guys and girls.
Paul
| QUOTE (tiblackwell @ Feb 25 2004, 01:40 AM) |
| can anyone tell me how long this site has been around? |
Long enough for all the little people to start reaching payout.
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