I would have bought one too, but nah... I will save my money for people who appreciate me and programs that I know will actually take it and pay their members!

Ok the most important thing we have to remember is that the site is only about 2 months old.

Second my question to you is how would you know if she is paying her members if your aren't one?

And she did pay me, very quickly I might add:
Name:
Oralia Santos (The sender of this payment is Verified)
Email:
advertising@hardearnedcash.com
***************************
Total Amount:
$25.00 USD

Fee Amount:
-$1.03 USD

Net Amount:
$23.97 USD
****************************
Date:
Feb. 11, 2004
Time:
00:41:34 PST
Status:
Completed
****************************
Subject:
CASHOUT
Note:
THANK YOU
DANICA

A voice of reason in a sea of shame.... Remember that the money has to come from somewhere (my printing press is out of order at the mo....)

lol, that is so funny. When will people learn!

What about the 2 cent solo to all for $3.99.....

I mean $6.99 for a 2 cent solo to all? She raised it $3.00!!!

This is for redemption though, that's whats sad. She's actually loosing over $40+ for each ad she sends.

You couldn't convince me the site isn't in trouble with the amount of emails she sends out!

NEVER!

Congratulations on such fantastic PR for your daughter's program.

You have restored our faith in HardEarnedMonopolyMoney no end.

I predict masses of new members any moment now. With maturity and professionalism like this, I'm sure the site will be around for a long time.

Plain English for those who don't understand:

When a program increases minimum payout it is because they do not have the money to pay members or hosting

No other reason

This is the thing you may want to seriously consider.

When a new member signs up - they are saying that they agree to the TOS - now an example if I sign up now and your TOS states that minimum is $40 that becomes the agreement between you and me (you offer the term and I accept them)

Now a month later you say "I have not planned this well and the revenue is starting to dry up" because most of the members that joined in the first week are now redeeming. So you have a brain snap and say "Simple, if I raise the payout it will take them longer to reach it and give me time to recover"

This is great business thinking. There is however one flow in that. and that flaw is me and the agreement we had when I signed up and that agreement was $40 now you want to raise it to $60 but see in doing so and expecting me not to redeem at $40 is in serious breach of our agreement.

And on the side - your rebuff to me will be (and you are thinking it now) That wonderfull statement of "we reserve the right to change these terms at any time" Well you see we have just hit the main issue ith the ptre sector - because of the way these businesses are set up - it requires members to join then they pay to advertise to bring more members - then you pay that person a share of the money made from the folks they brought to your program - This in itself makes the member a share holder in your business lol

if you have 5000 members and I have a first level downline of 500 that means that I have brought 10% of your business to you and that is whatyou pay me for yes?

In that you do not have the right to change the TOS when it suits you without first consulting your share holders - your members. Apon agreement by vote or poll can the agreement be changed -

Though yes you can change the agreement at any time but that agreement is only for new members not exsisting ones that you already have a standing agreement with. There will be plenty of ptr wm that disagree with me - but just the same it is business management and if your business relies on the cooporation of the members then it is crutial that you include the members in the dicisions regarding the business that effects them and their ability to earn.

What really jerks my chain is the poor planning that goes into running these programs - lets jump in buy a script for $100 pocket money and play non intentional havock with real people, while getting your imaginary real business working right - hence you are now changing your payout and wonder why you are being slapped around.

It is important that you realise that this is real and we are all real people - can you imagine if you lived in the same street as your members who rely on your business skill to help them pay the morgage and you started jerking them around? It is plain to see that you cant because you and your daughter have poorly handled this situation by jumping in here having a shot and all following the email that you the mom of this child let send to people.

I am ashamed to call myself a Web Master these days - I phycically can not say it in public - you people just playing pretend help destroy the good name that real Web Masters deserve.

Paul

That is so far from the truth.

Do not class nearly all webmasters with sites like this that raise their minimum because they cannot afford to pay.

Please come back here in a month or so when you have lost your earnings because this program disappears due to not being able to pay what is owed.

Open your eyes!

Um, she hasn't lowered the payout at all! She's increased it.

Because we're sick and tired of programs increasing minimums and giving us "honest" program owners a bad name. I don't think you understand the effect that these type of changes are having on the whole industry.

Let's see if you're still a big supporter in a couple months when your earnings along with the PO are gone!

Age really doesn't mean anything if you are mature! Telling your members they have ###### up life's, is not a mature thing to do.

Do I not have a right to be upset? I invested something more than just time in this program and so be it if you think I'm acting childish. I have that right, but you know what? I don't have to be professional because I'm just a member, kind of like a customer. You please me, I don't have to please you!!!

That's not a good thing if you stop and really think about it! 2 cent solo to all for $3.99, that's not even real money they are paying, that's money from people's accounts. So when you reach cashout where's the money coming from??

I did, thank you! I also left a gold membership, and a very large downline! This program isn't worth my time. I won't be one of the ones whining in a few months when the site shuts down because an irresponsible PO along with her mother ran it into the ground.

Hmmm, let's see I can name a bunch of responsible PO's that have never made any changes for the worst. They actually had a business plan along with business sense. I don't see people giving them any credit! Why, because they don't promise you the world and give you a pile of ###### in the end!

I would never support a crooked person! Like Miss Danica says... "Thanks but no thanks!" You are being scammed, open your eyes and put your foot down and PO's will stop doing this sort of thing!

For the sake of the other members, I sure hope this is the case, but my gut feeling tells me otherwise!

This is childish and very unprofessional. shame!

If copying info from Nikki herself is me complaining, then yes.

But I only reported the truth, and we all have a right to know what is going on with sites we are members of

But WMs raising payout levels seems to be coming a daily thing, and quite frankly I am sick of it.

I join a particular site for what I read at the time, not to have things change so much.

Raising payout from $25 to $60 was way over the top. And I guess Nikki thought so too, because I read she has now made payout $40

You are so right I have thrown a fit from time to time. When I first started out in GPR industry and I look back thinking whats the point these PO/WM are going to do what ever they want.

we can complain until we are blue in the face but it's not going to do us any good in most cases
here Nikkie still rose the payout but not as high as she first perdicted. witch in away was a good comprimise on her part she could have said nothing and went along with buisness but she relized her members were unhappy and must have decided comprimise was better.
I am a member and I am in no way close to payout but I didnt come here screaming and making rude coments about her age but I did voice I didn't like the raise in Payout I just went and redmeeded for ads I will close out my account when my ads are done I dont hate Nikkie just made my choise a little easier as to witch programs I was dropping as I have way to many. So I have decided to save my distaste and anger for the WM/PO who deserve it like the ones who run or just plain ignore their members.
I hope all works out for you nikkie.
Georginaj2000

talk talk talk but do you owne a site???

He/She? (sorry, haven't offically met yet) has every right to be upset and owning a program has nothing to do with it. If you want to bash tigress8u go someone else, this thread is about Nikki's Hard Earned Cash and members who are unhappy or supporting her.

She



And FYI dravys , this is posted in the Complaints section.......so YES I have a right to complain.

ok i will stop complaining but some people talk but ..... ahhh i tink i will just stop
now


and by the way are you Tigress8u mamy

Have a nice day

I don't care if she is 10 or 70. It does not change one simple fact. She knows exactly what she is doing. She's running the site into the ground. And you've got front-row tickets.

You claim she is running the site to the best of her ability - and I disagree. I say that she is not a halfwit. I say that she has enough mental capacity to understand that 10 cents times 1000 members does not equal $5.99.

I don't see how you can defend THAT. What she is doing is blatantly underselling. She knew the day would come when the payout requests were more than she has in the bank. It happened last week. She raised payout. Should she just raise it again when everyone reaches $40?

You might think she's a lovely person, and maybe she is, but as I don't believe she is stupid that can only make her a con artist. And you got sucked in.

edited: Hope it wasn't me she meant

I think so too, because I don't think anything salteh said was childish.