I'm sure you all remember the original post that #1 complained that i spammed my members promoting 1heluva without a paid link or point link
The 2nd issue was the fact that my mail could be interpreted as asking someone to take a 2nd account under me.
Fred's response was very clear that you're allowed to have 5 acccounts but all within the same downline.
WEll guess what?
Today i logged in, my ROI was over $11.00
I have a bunch of magic banner ads swapped with other webmasters and they're running them on their sites for me.
I had a downline of 27 members this morning with 7 invested.
This afternoon , i log into my account and my ROI is a bit over $8
My investors amount went from $375 to $260
$115 missing.
It seems one of my referrals, who i gave a free 10 point ad on mec-co-op-paidmail.com and he's a program owner, he personally invested $15 and Fred had given $100 for the October promotion.
Anyway, he transferred his $115 to a new account within another downline.
To say the least, i'm furious over this.
I wrote to Fred,
he then wrote back giving me the account #'s which i'll edit out here for privacy reasons, but looking at the account #'s, he signed up under me first!
He then signed up under someone else and transferred his money to the new account.
I'm no dummy and this is no misunderstanding of what FRed objected to me doing.
Well here's his response to my inquiry.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Srock" <fsrock@career-pro.com>
To: "taxlady" <taxlady@waverly.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: question
> I'm sure you have often taken your business elsewhere for a better
> deal. And even went back to the original when *they* offered a
> better deal. Sounds like good ol' American business to me.
>
> The original company with whom you did business spent a lot of money
> getting you to buy their wares. But you perceived a better deal
> elsewhere and took it. Should you not be allowed to do that?
>
My response (2nd)
> > First of all, according to what you told me if you remember
> > you can have up to 5 accounts but within the same downline.
> >
> > If you look at the #'s ##### comes before #####
> > Therefore he signed up under me first and should have to stay there.
well if he allows this once, he'll allow it again, so i have no intentions of working my tail off only to be robbed of my referrals.
I will not be promoting it any further.
Full Version: 1heluva complaint
Who is that person?
Didn't he get your offer( 10 point ad on mec-co-op-paidmail.com) already ?
Didn't he get your offer( 10 point ad on mec-co-op-paidmail.com) already ?
Yup... when Clickity Cash first hit the net I was a fanatic! Built my downline to well over 500 in the first 3 months. I even cashed out 3 times. But almost everyday Fred sent an email changing the rules. I'd get my downline wired up, he'd shut 'em down. So I now just use it to get traffic from my referrals. And I totally refused to join 1heluva.
QUOTE (ppprk @ Oct 14 2002, 12:10 AM)
Who is that person?
Didn't he get your offer( 10 point ad on mec-co-op-paidmail.com) already ?
Didn't he get your offer( 10 point ad on mec-co-op-paidmail.com) already ?
WEll for privacy reasons, i won't give his name, but he's another webmaster because he got the $100 from Fred
which he also transferred, hey it was my ad he answered.
I'm really ticked off.
I've totally lost faith.
Seems the rules change for those who are new, as long as people move to the one's putting money in his pocket.
Yes he already got his free 10 point ad.
so now he got another offer.
I have my suspicions as to where he went, but i'll keep my mouth shut because that is totally irrelevant.
According to Fred
When my original mail went out when i first started, it sounded like i was asking people to take 2nd account under me.
Fred said, you can't do that.
WEll isn't this what happend here?
I fail to see the difference.
QUOTE (EMailCashFrenzy @ Oct 14 2002, 12:11 AM)
Yup... when Clickity Cash first hit the net I was a fanatic! Built my downline to well over 500 in the first 3 months. I even cashed out 3 times. But almost everyday Fred sent an email changing the rules. I'd get my downline wired up, he'd shut 'em down. So I now just use it to get traffic from my referrals. And I totally refused to join 1heluva.
WEll i'm more involved in 1heluva, have promoted it all week and have the magic banner swapped with 9 other webmasters, and referrals are coming in from there too.
I will continue to use it for the traffic, but i doubt i''ll promote it any further,and i may just give up on it entirely.
I've totally lost what little faith i had to begin with as common sense tells me not everyone is gonna get 600%
Some are gonna loose etc, in order for the money to be paid out to those heavy hitters (one of which i can be, but won't)
I'm glad this happend now, and not after i built a huge downline as it's a matter of principal for me.
I myself have been accused of changing rules, and yes i have, but any i've changed have been for the better of my members, such as lowering the payout from $50 to $10 etc.
This just plain stinks.
I see no reason to promote it anymore, if the owner won't back you when something like this happens.
Just this week, he said this was not allowed. Now it's the american way of doing business???????????
QUOTE (taxlady2 @ Oct 14 2002, 12:21 AM)
QUOTE (ppprk @ Oct 14 2002, 12:10 AM)
Who is that person?
Didn't he get your offer( 10 point ad on mec-co-op-paidmail.com) already ?
Didn't he get your offer( 10 point ad on mec-co-op-paidmail.com) already ?
WEll for privacy reasons, i won't give his name, but he's another webmaster because he got the $100 from Fred
which he also transferred, hey it was my ad he answered.
I'm really ticked off.
I've totally lost faith.
Seems the rules change for those who are new, as long as people move to the one's putting money in his pocket.
Yes he already got his free 10 point ad.
so now he got another offer.
I have my suspicions as to where he went, but i'll keep my mouth shut because that is totally irrelevant.
According to Fred
When my original mail went out when i first started, it sounded like i was asking people to take 2nd account under me.
Fred said, you can't do that.
WEll isn't this what happend here?
I fail to see the difference.
I don't like that reply either
,but I think that referral should not do that once they got your offer.
Hi everyone, i'll jump in with my say.
If you open up an account, you are allowed to delete it and join up with someone else.
There is nothing wrong with this. I had some who approached me about coming to my downline and of course I told them they could. but they would lose their original investment unless they transferred it. so that is what they did.
and I gave them an extra 10 for joining me plus promoted their ref id. i have exactly 5 people on my level 1. and 3 are my accounts. i promote levels 2 through 5. and my downline members know that if they are active, i promote and give them random rewards.
so I have 5 accounts and if i choose to delete them all to go under another upline offering me a better deal, of course I would do it. however, Fred has since limited the transfer to 100.00 so i could never do it. However, if I had a choice, i would most definitely leave my upline who all suck. Last month they were nothing. on 9/15 after I invested 9 grand, they all moved up. not 1 thank you to me for allowing them the privilege of getting to 600% and no more clicking 5000 sites. so most uplines do stink. they are out for themselves.
so Fred is right.
however i feel bad about your ad you gave for free. but Fred is 100% right, it is the American Way and 1heluva is all about making money right now. thats the whole idea of this program.
and only the ones who have 100 or less will be doing this because you can only transfer up to 100.
100 is nothing Carole,
Next month, I will break even with my investment. This means that if I want to delete all my accounts, I can do it just to join up with someone else. Then I just have to start a downline all over again.
Caroline
If you open up an account, you are allowed to delete it and join up with someone else.
There is nothing wrong with this. I had some who approached me about coming to my downline and of course I told them they could. but they would lose their original investment unless they transferred it. so that is what they did.
and I gave them an extra 10 for joining me plus promoted their ref id. i have exactly 5 people on my level 1. and 3 are my accounts. i promote levels 2 through 5. and my downline members know that if they are active, i promote and give them random rewards.
so I have 5 accounts and if i choose to delete them all to go under another upline offering me a better deal, of course I would do it. however, Fred has since limited the transfer to 100.00 so i could never do it. However, if I had a choice, i would most definitely leave my upline who all suck. Last month they were nothing. on 9/15 after I invested 9 grand, they all moved up. not 1 thank you to me for allowing them the privilege of getting to 600% and no more clicking 5000 sites. so most uplines do stink. they are out for themselves.
so Fred is right.
however i feel bad about your ad you gave for free. but Fred is 100% right, it is the American Way and 1heluva is all about making money right now. thats the whole idea of this program.
and only the ones who have 100 or less will be doing this because you can only transfer up to 100.
100 is nothing Carole,
Next month, I will break even with my investment. This means that if I want to delete all my accounts, I can do it just to join up with someone else. Then I just have to start a downline all over again.
Caroline
QUOTE (ILostMyTrueLove @ Oct 14 2002, 12:31 AM)
Hi everyone, i'll jump in with my say.
If you open up an account, you are allowed to delete it and join up with someone else.
There is nothing wrong with this. I had some who approached me about coming to my downline and of course I told them they could. but they would lose their original investment unless they transferred it. so that is what they did.
and I gave them an extra 10 for joining me plus promoted their ref id. i have exactly 5 people on my level 1. and 3 are my accounts. i promote levels 2 through 5. and my downline members know that if they are active, i promote and give them random rewards.
so I have 5 accounts and if i choose to delete them all to go under another upline offering me a better deal, of course I would do it. however, Fred has since limited the transfer to 100.00 so i could never do it. However, if I had a choice, i would most definitely leave my upline who all suck. Last month they were nothing. on 9/15 after I invested 9 grand, they all moved up. not 1 thank you to me for allowing them the privilege of getting to 600% and no more clicking 5000 sites. so most uplines do stink. they are out for themselves.
so Fred is right.
however i feel bad about your ad you gave for free. but Fred is 100% right, it is the American Way and 1heluva is all about making money right now. thats the whole idea of this program.
and only the ones who have 100 or less will be doing this because you can only transfer up to 100.
100 is nothing Carole,
Next month, I will break even with my investment. This means that if I want to delete all my accounts, I can do it just to join up with someone else. Then I just have to start a downline all over again.
Caroline
If you open up an account, you are allowed to delete it and join up with someone else.
There is nothing wrong with this. I had some who approached me about coming to my downline and of course I told them they could. but they would lose their original investment unless they transferred it. so that is what they did.
and I gave them an extra 10 for joining me plus promoted their ref id. i have exactly 5 people on my level 1. and 3 are my accounts. i promote levels 2 through 5. and my downline members know that if they are active, i promote and give them random rewards.
so I have 5 accounts and if i choose to delete them all to go under another upline offering me a better deal, of course I would do it. however, Fred has since limited the transfer to 100.00 so i could never do it. However, if I had a choice, i would most definitely leave my upline who all suck. Last month they were nothing. on 9/15 after I invested 9 grand, they all moved up. not 1 thank you to me for allowing them the privilege of getting to 600% and no more clicking 5000 sites. so most uplines do stink. they are out for themselves.
so Fred is right.
however i feel bad about your ad you gave for free. but Fred is 100% right, it is the American Way and 1heluva is all about making money right now. thats the whole idea of this program.
and only the ones who have 100 or less will be doing this because you can only transfer up to 100.
100 is nothing Carole,
Next month, I will break even with my investment. This means that if I want to delete all my accounts, I can do it just to join up with someone else. Then I just have to start a downline all over again.
Caroline
Caroline, had he deleted his account, i could understand that and accept it. Maybe he didn't like my welcome mail, maybe he didn't like me. Maybe he don't like mail from my upline.
The fact is his account is still there in my downline with 0 investment and 1 referral.
So he has 2 accounts in 2 different downlines.
Mine was the first he signed up for according to the #'s of his accounts.
I've quit many programs because of lack of support from an upline and joined under someone more supportive.
THis is not the case here,
My upline is too darn supportive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I even get personal phone calls which i've asked him to curb a bit because he hits me at busy times etc.
But this is not the case here.
This is exactly what FRed clearly told me i couldn't do and what your real objection was in the first place.
Sorry i'll use it for the traffic, it's a good traffic exchange, but i won't promote it any further and certainly am not going to do any further ad swaps to promote this.
Limited to $100 transfer?
He transferred $115
Again, i disagree. He has 2 existing accounts in 2 different downlines.
I agree, if your upline doesn't support you, cancel the account, and go under someone who will.
I have no problem with that at all.
THis is not the case here.
It really wouldn't surprise me if he didn't end up in your downline because of your ads.
Hey, this is just a matter of principal for me.
I could care less about the $3 i lost.
(ROI)
I could make that up in no time. But the fact is, if it happend once, it can happen twice, three times, and if Fred Allows this, then i've lost all faith in this program and don't intend on using it for anything other than a traffic generator. (it's a good one)
He transferred $115
Again, i disagree. He has 2 existing accounts in 2 different downlines.
I agree, if your upline doesn't support you, cancel the account, and go under someone who will.
I have no problem with that at all.
THis is not the case here.
It really wouldn't surprise me if he didn't end up in your downline because of your ads.
Hey, this is just a matter of principal for me.
I could care less about the $3 i lost.
(ROI)
I could make that up in no time. But the fact is, if it happend once, it can happen twice, three times, and if Fred Allows this, then i've lost all faith in this program and don't intend on using it for anything other than a traffic generator. (it's a good one)
oh i'm so sorry I misunderstood. its late at night and long day.
of course, someone cant be in 2 different downlines. they would have to delete their account first to go under someone else. so,write Fred a letter and ask him to move that referral 1 level up. this way you get the referral. thats how its supposed to be anyways.
thats the legal way according to the rules.
However, I know for a fact that there is a clickmaster who joined up regular under me and HE IS A CHEATER. but i wont email fred about this. I just deleted myself from his gptr program. he's a liar and not a good person at all. tried to cheat me also. but i was too smart to fall for his cheating ways. I'm praying he gets caught. but since he's a big man, nothing will be done anyways.
but Fred is the owner and he has said he will allow it.
note also that he has a no stacking rule in place also, however he is also allowing this. so that is what i'm doing. i have 4 accounts now. 3 pushed to the top and 1 will be there next month.
Rules are made to be changed.
sorry about the loss but you dont need someone like this anyways.
Caroline
of course, someone cant be in 2 different downlines. they would have to delete their account first to go under someone else. so,write Fred a letter and ask him to move that referral 1 level up. this way you get the referral. thats how its supposed to be anyways.
thats the legal way according to the rules.
However, I know for a fact that there is a clickmaster who joined up regular under me and HE IS A CHEATER. but i wont email fred about this. I just deleted myself from his gptr program. he's a liar and not a good person at all. tried to cheat me also. but i was too smart to fall for his cheating ways. I'm praying he gets caught. but since he's a big man, nothing will be done anyways.
but Fred is the owner and he has said he will allow it.
note also that he has a no stacking rule in place also, however he is also allowing this. so that is what i'm doing. i have 4 accounts now. 3 pushed to the top and 1 will be there next month.
Rules are made to be changed.
sorry about the loss but you dont need someone like this anyways.
Caroline
we must be posting at the same time LOL just saw your 2nd post.
100 is the limit to an account. so he would have had to transfer it to 2 different accounts.
and it doesnt matter who joins up under me. Only my active downline members are getting anything from me anyways. I offer 100% matching but only after they click 5000 sites. theres nothing wrong with this. Lots of people are offering different promotions right now.
Caroline
100 is the limit to an account. so he would have had to transfer it to 2 different accounts.
and it doesnt matter who joins up under me. Only my active downline members are getting anything from me anyways. I offer 100% matching but only after they click 5000 sites. theres nothing wrong with this. Lots of people are offering different promotions right now.
Caroline
QUOTE (ILostMyTrueLove @ Oct 14 2002, 12:53 AM)
oh i'm so sorry I misunderstood. its late at night and long day.
of course, someone cant be in 2 different downlines. they would have to delete their account first to go under someone else. so,write Fred a letter and ask him to move that referral 1 level up. this way you get the referral. thats how its supposed to be anyways.
thats the legal way according to the rules.
However, I know for a fact that there is a clickmaster who joined up regular under me and HE IS A CHEATER. but i wont email fred about this. I just deleted myself from his gptr program. he's a liar and not a good person at all. tried to cheat me also. but i was too smart to fall for his cheating ways. I'm praying he gets caught. but since he's a big man, nothing will be done anyways.
but Fred is the owner and he has said he will allow it.
note also that he has a no stacking rule in place also, however he is also allowing this. so that is what i'm doing. i have 4 accounts now. 3 pushed to the top and 1 will be there next month.
Rules are made to be changed.
sorry about the loss but you dont need someone like this anyways.
Caroline
of course, someone cant be in 2 different downlines. they would have to delete their account first to go under someone else. so,write Fred a letter and ask him to move that referral 1 level up. this way you get the referral. thats how its supposed to be anyways.
thats the legal way according to the rules.
However, I know for a fact that there is a clickmaster who joined up regular under me and HE IS A CHEATER. but i wont email fred about this. I just deleted myself from his gptr program. he's a liar and not a good person at all. tried to cheat me also. but i was too smart to fall for his cheating ways. I'm praying he gets caught. but since he's a big man, nothing will be done anyways.
but Fred is the owner and he has said he will allow it.
note also that he has a no stacking rule in place also, however he is also allowing this. so that is what i'm doing. i have 4 accounts now. 3 pushed to the top and 1 will be there next month.
Rules are made to be changed.
sorry about the loss but you dont need someone like this anyways.
Caroline
Hey there's cheaters alll over this world. It's just a darn shame they make it bad for everyone.
For instance, when mec-co-op started with the $20 bonus's which was to be used for ads, one jerk took over 100 accounts!
got a free ad on about 5 of them till i caught on.
Now i have this new signup gets a 10point ad free, this jerk took about 8 accounts so far, stupid idiot sends all 8 ad requests in at the same time!
The only reason i caught the idiot is that in his outlook express his real name comes thru on all of them.
He had 8 different usernames and 8 different e-mail addys.
I wouldn't have caught it had it not been for his real name in 8 mails being the same....LOL
so now, instead of giving the ad immediately, once again i have to require 1000 point earnings or $1 in earnings before running the ad.
Of course i'll be accused by some as once again changing rules, because they're not concerned for me, but for themselves.
It's unfortunate but some people just have no decency.
Yes rules are made to be changed and can be changed at a moment's notice.
What really ticks me off (nothing personal) is the riot my actions started here, and the slamming i took over exactly the same thing even though it wasn't really my words, my upline wrote the darn thing, i copy/paste and sent it out etc...
My Tos clearly state, i can change the Tos any time i feel the need and a members only recourse is to cancel etc.
Fred's is the same.
problem for me is i invested $70 that i really didn't have, but wanted to bring up the ROI
last was $50 which i was hoping to get back 600% on so i'd have more e-gold to payout as fred pays via e-gold too.
Believe me i'm not pulling out my hair over this, just find it totally contradictory to the e-mail he sent me when you put in that 'spam complaint' which really was more over the fact i was trying to cheat fred.
Well this is the same situation.
I still haven't heard back from Fred.
That's dissapointing.
Guess he can't be bothered over lil ole me....LOL
Wouldn't surprise me to find the referral gone tomorrow too and the account closed.
I know it's a cutthroat world, it's just not my style.
I've got 9 webmasters promoting my magic banner, which i've gotten a few referrals from. Hey if nothing more than the traffic it generates i'll take it, but i highly doubt i'll continue heavily promoting it.
If this happend once, it can happen again and again and i've been screwed too many times.
I only invested the $50 because of the ROI increase and i knew i would have gotten it back and then some.
Now, i have to either replace the $115 from referrals, or just chalk it up to experience.
SInce i have a concience and wouldn't want this to happen to anyone i refer, i'll probably just walk away from it.
It's just the principal of the matter here, and i pride myself on my integrety.
Can't put my heart and soul into something no matter how profitable it can be if it can hurt people like this.
Anyway, i'm writing another book here! so i'll end it for now.
QUOTE (ILostMyTrueLove @ Oct 14 2002, 01:03 AM)
we must be posting at the same time LOL just saw your 2nd post.
100 is the limit to an account. so he would have had to transfer it to 2 different accounts.
and it doesnt matter who joins up under me. Only my active downline members are getting anything from me anyways. I offer 100% matching but only after they click 5000 sites. theres nothing wrong with this. Lots of people are offering different promotions right now.
Caroline
100 is the limit to an account. so he would have had to transfer it to 2 different accounts.
and it doesnt matter who joins up under me. Only my active downline members are getting anything from me anyways. I offer 100% matching but only after they click 5000 sites. theres nothing wrong with this. Lots of people are offering different promotions right now.
Caroline
AT 600% you can well afford to match 100%
LOL
Hey, it's been fun while it lasted!!!!!!hehe
I have listed before for Clickity Cash. Maybe I should add this program as will getting complaints.
Hmmm Sorry but does this mean I should delete that banner I gave you a Million Free Impressions on ?
When ya asked me the other night ?
When ya asked me the other night ?
Are you not the webmaster that changes your TOS everyday also?
it means change the target url to 1heluva.net in 2 days 
QUOTE (cyndel @ Oct 13 2002, 07:10 PM)
Are you not the webmaster that changes your TOS everyday also?
don't start... i didn't like what happened in the other threads, it's not going to happen here either...
Excuse me? I was asking a very relevant question. Do you not also see it odd that a webmaster who changes her rules everyday has the audacity to come here and complain of another doing the same exact thing?
QUOTE (Jays-PaidMail @ Oct 14 2002, 02:06 AM)
Hmmm Sorry but does this mean I should delete that banner I gave you a Million Free Impressions on ?
When ya asked me the other night ?
When ya asked me the other night ?
Nope,
I'm upset that one day Fred says you can't have 2 accounts under 2 different downlines, then allows it today!
As far as a traffic exchange, it's great! I'm getting the hits.
As far as FRed paying, he pays
So i wouldn't lable it as a scam in that sense.
Just a change in TOS to suit the needs.
Say someone like Caroline, who i have nothing against by the way, who's at 600%, she can offer to match 100% of their investments, she can afford it.
There's many members at 600%, therefore they are the one's with the power, and it's the little guy like me who's right now at something like 6% which this morning was at 7% etc..that can be really hurt.
I think that is wrong.
Fred clearly stated in his e-mail to me which i posted in another thread "taxlady spammed" etc. that you couldn't have 2 accounts in 2 different downlines.
You can take up to 5 accounts but they have to be stacked under your own downline.
That's my problem with what happend here.
Then there's the $115 transfer.
Supposed to only be allowed to transfer $100 so how did $115 dissapear.
But i've found it a great traffic booster, and that' s what that banner is for.
It will give both of us 5 hits for each click on that banner, so please leave it up.
I have 9 other webmasters running it.
Other than this bad experience i've had no problems with Fred.
His Oct promotion offers that he'll place $100 in a program owners account as an investment if they sign up, place the code on their page, and surf 50 sites.
Every time i e-mail him with a reqest for the $100 to be added to a referrals account, he does it immediately.
From what i know, he pays immediately, so it's not a scam as far as i can tell.
of course not everyone is going to get their investment back, only those surfing enough and those with downlines investing etc.
But i want the hits!!!!!!!!!!!!! THat's what i originally went into it for
so i'll probably chalk this up to experience (a bad one), won't send any promotional mails out but i'll leave the banners up for the traffic.
Thanks.
By the way, i have your fancy cash banner running as ongoing on paid2click page..................
p.s. by allowing this kind of practice Fred has really lost more than i did, as you know what kind of downlines i can build if i believe in something.
He's made it impossible for any newcommers to compete with the old-timers and i personally think he's cut his own throat here.
Yeah, i'm tooting my own horn. I'm entitled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh well, I'll get over it! I'm a survivor!
Just no longer motivated!!!!!!!!!hehe
QUOTE (cyndel @ Oct 14 2002, 02:10 AM)
Are you not the webmaster that changes your TOS everyday also?
If you read my TOS and or Fred's or any other webmaster's TOS you'll see we have the right to change them without notice.
This is not about the TOS, this is something Fred stated less than 72 hours ago.
At least when i make a change, i immediately notify my members, i just don't change the TOS which nobody reads anyway.
AT least they read my e-mails. The proof of that is all the comments here and the quotes of my mails..............LOL
QUOTE (cheese @ Oct 14 2002, 02:24 AM)
QUOTE (cyndel @ Oct 13 2002, 07:10 PM)
Are you not the webmaster that changes your TOS everyday also?
don't start... i didn't like what happened in the other threads, it's not going to happen here either...
I doubt it will.
Don't worry.
Not from me anyway.
hi. Carole, my 2 cents again.
At least your upline is supportive. All 5 of mine are really lousy.
and no, i can't afford 100% matching really. i wont be even with my kids money until Nov. 1 when i get paid a little over 8500. and most of this is from my kids money, not my downline. I do not rely on my downline, not at all. the others on top PM and the other one have a GREAT downline who are investing. Mine arent doing anything. this is why I opened up so many accounts. so technically, I havent made a profit yet!
and as long as I follow the rules, i could care less what the cheaters do. Even if my downline were to all quit tomorrow, I will still have my accounts and still have my 8500. only my last account is losing money right now.
But i offer the 100% because most stopped clicking after I gave out money last month. this was an incentive and its working. some are investing their own money and most have even started clicking.
and i have gotten 2 emails from 2 dl members who said I have no ethics because I match only who I want to. and I said I matched only those who clicked 5000 sites which is what my promotion specifically states. Another one invested and wanted me to match her and I said when she finishes clicking, I'll match her and she wrote back she wont click until i match her. that's her loss, not mine.
you're lucky. you have a program and lots of people helping you. I am by myself. promoting everybody in my downline. I dont advertise me at all. only my active members. I have nobody on the internet. not 1 friend. you think I care? no, because I don't need anybody. but i'm trying to help my downline.
like i said, Carole, you don't need freeloaders on your downline. Just continue to work the program like you are doing. and another thing, you are only aiming for program owners. so you also are forgetting the little people.
Caroline
At least your upline is supportive. All 5 of mine are really lousy.
and no, i can't afford 100% matching really. i wont be even with my kids money until Nov. 1 when i get paid a little over 8500. and most of this is from my kids money, not my downline. I do not rely on my downline, not at all. the others on top PM and the other one have a GREAT downline who are investing. Mine arent doing anything. this is why I opened up so many accounts. so technically, I havent made a profit yet!
and as long as I follow the rules, i could care less what the cheaters do. Even if my downline were to all quit tomorrow, I will still have my accounts and still have my 8500. only my last account is losing money right now.
But i offer the 100% because most stopped clicking after I gave out money last month. this was an incentive and its working. some are investing their own money and most have even started clicking.
and i have gotten 2 emails from 2 dl members who said I have no ethics because I match only who I want to. and I said I matched only those who clicked 5000 sites which is what my promotion specifically states. Another one invested and wanted me to match her and I said when she finishes clicking, I'll match her and she wrote back she wont click until i match her. that's her loss, not mine.
you're lucky. you have a program and lots of people helping you. I am by myself. promoting everybody in my downline. I dont advertise me at all. only my active members. I have nobody on the internet. not 1 friend. you think I care? no, because I don't need anybody. but i'm trying to help my downline.
like i said, Carole, you don't need freeloaders on your downline. Just continue to work the program like you are doing. and another thing, you are only aiming for program owners. so you also are forgetting the little people.
Caroline
Caroline,
I've never depended on a downline, if we do that, we'll all fail.
Downlines are fickle. They sign up for everything under the sun, only to forget about the program the next day.
I'm self motivated and i depend on myself. THis is not to say that all downline is worthless, of course there are loyal members, who make it all worthwhile for me anyway.
I've made some very good friends on the web, I consider you one of them.
It pains me when you say you have none. You have one for sure, ME.
While i won't switch uplines, it doesn't mean we can't talk, communicate etc.
Had i found you first, i'd probably be in your downline. I didn't and i happen to like the guy i signed up under.
He can be a bit pushy at times, but he does abide by my request to cool it a bit, when i ask etc.
He's sincere and sincerely believes in this program.
As i've said, I belive Fred is a professional businessman, will pay according to the program's structure etc.
My only beef here is not the loss of $3 ROI, believe me, i won't loose any sleep over that. And as for someone screwing me out of an ad, it's not the first time, and i'm sure it won't be the last.
It's the principal. I was told you can't do this (I can't do it) but when it's done to me, it's ok.
That's the only thing bothering me here. (PRINCIPAL)
I will continue to surf for hits.
I will continue to put my banners out there.
For a while, until i clear my head, i won't be running any paid ads for it.
Other than that, i'll go on as before.
Who knows, when the fog clears a week from now, i may continue a heavy promotion or i may unsubscribe.
I don't know what i'll do, i'm not juming into or out of anything in a rash decision out of anger.
This program has a lot of potential, it still does.
Fred seems to think i'm being a bit immature here. I don't think so.
For me, it's the principal and TRUST,
Trust is very important to me.
As for loosing a downline member?????????????? LOL!
Hey that's life, happens all the time.
Mec-co-op would have had over 25,000 members if i left them there and didn't delete the inactives.
So for whatever this guy's motives were, it's no big deal.
Why would i want 25,000 members with 4000-5000 ACTIVES.
I'd rather have a clean data base with the 5000 Active members.
Same goes for this.
This guy is going to jump from downline to downline, looking for a better deal and he'll never amount to anything.
I've been in many programs where my upline never contacted me, never did anything, they became inactive, i moved up etc.
This is normal with so many darn programs to choose from and only so much time to participate.
I myself have become inactive in many.
So i can't fault people for doing the same.
The difference is, i unsubscribe, rather than let a program carry me for weeks/months and then delete me as inactive.
It's common courtesy.
Most people don't have that.
I'm not happy over what happend, i think i made that perfectly clear, but i don't intend on loosing any sleep over it.
WEll, i've gotten completely off my reason for this response.
You do have a friend on the web!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep that in mind.
WE started out on the opposite side of the fence and i think we've come a long long way.
Especially with our PERSONAL DIFFERENCES, and that's between you and I.
Hey if we can become friends, anyone can!
All we need to do is listen to the other's viewpoints.
We've done that, at least i think we have.
Anyway, you take care,
believe me, i won't loose sleep over this.
Carole
I've never depended on a downline, if we do that, we'll all fail.
Downlines are fickle. They sign up for everything under the sun, only to forget about the program the next day.
I'm self motivated and i depend on myself. THis is not to say that all downline is worthless, of course there are loyal members, who make it all worthwhile for me anyway.
I've made some very good friends on the web, I consider you one of them.
It pains me when you say you have none. You have one for sure, ME.
While i won't switch uplines, it doesn't mean we can't talk, communicate etc.
Had i found you first, i'd probably be in your downline. I didn't and i happen to like the guy i signed up under.
He can be a bit pushy at times, but he does abide by my request to cool it a bit, when i ask etc.
He's sincere and sincerely believes in this program.
As i've said, I belive Fred is a professional businessman, will pay according to the program's structure etc.
My only beef here is not the loss of $3 ROI, believe me, i won't loose any sleep over that. And as for someone screwing me out of an ad, it's not the first time, and i'm sure it won't be the last.
It's the principal. I was told you can't do this (I can't do it) but when it's done to me, it's ok.
That's the only thing bothering me here. (PRINCIPAL)
I will continue to surf for hits.
I will continue to put my banners out there.
For a while, until i clear my head, i won't be running any paid ads for it.
Other than that, i'll go on as before.
Who knows, when the fog clears a week from now, i may continue a heavy promotion or i may unsubscribe.
I don't know what i'll do, i'm not juming into or out of anything in a rash decision out of anger.
This program has a lot of potential, it still does.
Fred seems to think i'm being a bit immature here. I don't think so.
For me, it's the principal and TRUST,
Trust is very important to me.
As for loosing a downline member?????????????? LOL!
Hey that's life, happens all the time.
Mec-co-op would have had over 25,000 members if i left them there and didn't delete the inactives.
So for whatever this guy's motives were, it's no big deal.
Why would i want 25,000 members with 4000-5000 ACTIVES.
I'd rather have a clean data base with the 5000 Active members.
Same goes for this.
This guy is going to jump from downline to downline, looking for a better deal and he'll never amount to anything.
I've been in many programs where my upline never contacted me, never did anything, they became inactive, i moved up etc.
This is normal with so many darn programs to choose from and only so much time to participate.
I myself have become inactive in many.
So i can't fault people for doing the same.
The difference is, i unsubscribe, rather than let a program carry me for weeks/months and then delete me as inactive.
It's common courtesy.
Most people don't have that.
I'm not happy over what happend, i think i made that perfectly clear, but i don't intend on loosing any sleep over it.
WEll, i've gotten completely off my reason for this response.
You do have a friend on the web!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep that in mind.
WE started out on the opposite side of the fence and i think we've come a long long way.
Especially with our PERSONAL DIFFERENCES, and that's between you and I.
Hey if we can become friends, anyone can!
All we need to do is listen to the other's viewpoints.
We've done that, at least i think we have.
Anyway, you take care,
believe me, i won't loose sleep over this.
Carole
thanks for being my friend!!
and i know its the principal here i understand that. but Fred is out to make money also and i dont think that he is forgetting the little ones. believe me. my sister is in the program and he answers her right away even though she only has 10.00 invested. Fred is very quick in answering everyone, even the small ones.
I got to the top because of my kids, not my downline. But it would be nice to have a good upline and a nice downline. Then I wouldnt have to waste 3750 to fill up my other accounts and I could concentrate on saving again for my kids.
This program will work for you, believe me.
I have a couple who are jumping all over the place also. 1 deleted their account and signed up under 1 of my other accounts, and then when I invested 5 for them, they deleted themselves again and joined under another account of mine. i didnt realize that and gave another 5 to them. they made 25 off of me before I realized it was the same 2 people clicking 50 pages to get $5 LOL
so i sent out another letter to everyone, cancelling this 5. and now i only have the matching 100% if they click 5000 pages and 5. to click 5000 pages. and this really ###### off a lot of my dl members.
and believe me, if i wouldnt have to start all over, i would most definitely quit this program and join up under someone else. i may even do this just to mess up my upline. if i take my money out of this program, they are no longer at 600%. But then this hurts my kids, not me.
You're doing a great job with this program. Now if you only had money, you could open up 3 accounts. dump 3750 into your 2 accounts and your 1st one invest 3000. thats 18 grand (15 profit) plus 3000 invested in your 2nd account with $750 invested 1 dl member (you'll have to use calculator to figure out this one). you would just lose with your 3rd account but not really!
I only have 4 accounts. but next month, i may open up a 5th one! just to be greedy and try to get another 18 grand LOL
gl you'll make it with your determination, most definitely. you need 1 big hitter in your downline. thats all it takes.
Caroline
and i know its the principal here i understand that. but Fred is out to make money also and i dont think that he is forgetting the little ones. believe me. my sister is in the program and he answers her right away even though she only has 10.00 invested. Fred is very quick in answering everyone, even the small ones.
I got to the top because of my kids, not my downline. But it would be nice to have a good upline and a nice downline. Then I wouldnt have to waste 3750 to fill up my other accounts and I could concentrate on saving again for my kids.
This program will work for you, believe me.
I have a couple who are jumping all over the place also. 1 deleted their account and signed up under 1 of my other accounts, and then when I invested 5 for them, they deleted themselves again and joined under another account of mine. i didnt realize that and gave another 5 to them. they made 25 off of me before I realized it was the same 2 people clicking 50 pages to get $5 LOL
so i sent out another letter to everyone, cancelling this 5. and now i only have the matching 100% if they click 5000 pages and 5. to click 5000 pages. and this really ###### off a lot of my dl members.
and believe me, if i wouldnt have to start all over, i would most definitely quit this program and join up under someone else. i may even do this just to mess up my upline. if i take my money out of this program, they are no longer at 600%. But then this hurts my kids, not me.
You're doing a great job with this program. Now if you only had money, you could open up 3 accounts. dump 3750 into your 2 accounts and your 1st one invest 3000. thats 18 grand (15 profit) plus 3000 invested in your 2nd account with $750 invested 1 dl member (you'll have to use calculator to figure out this one). you would just lose with your 3rd account but not really!
I only have 4 accounts. but next month, i may open up a 5th one! just to be greedy and try to get another 18 grand LOL
gl you'll make it with your determination, most definitely. you need 1 big hitter in your downline. thats all it takes.
Caroline
No thank you!!!!! LOL
See when we communicate in a grownup fashion what kind of solid relationships can be built!!!!
It started out bad, we could have become bitter enemies, acted childishly, got everyone either in attack mode, or defensive mode etc etc etc.
We handled our dissagreement like adults, and became friends.
I'm sure we're still going to have some disagreements now and then, but from here on in, i doubt they'll start off as harshly as this one did.
Yeah, it's nice to be able to do what you're doing.
I don't have a kids college fund, and i'm not a risk taker, so i doubt i'd do what you;'re doing.
I'm glad it works for you. AS you say, everything after DEcember is gravy.
The way i see my account (as you know i have limited funding here) and what money does come in to mec-co-op is going to the members as payouts so i have very little to play with.
It's going to take time to build up a downline, and invest little by little.
I'll get there eventually.
In the meantime, i'm doing my surfing to bring up the ROI.
My investor totals went down another $5. I'm not even going to ask what the heck happend.
LOL
I'm at 35 so far with 7 invested now.
I sent out an offer to the free members that if they invested $5, surfed 50 pages, i'd give them a free 10 point ad.
Hopefully a few interested in a $10 advertisement for Free will invest that $5
Then i get $2 credit towards my ROI and since a points mail cost me nothing but bandwidth to send, it should be rewarding for both me and the person doing the investing, assuming they continue surfing etc.
In the meantime, i'm trying to surf at least the 166 pages daily while attending to buisness matters at mec-co-op
I don't always get the 166 pages, but for the past 3 days, i've went way over, so i'm hoping at the end of the month to have my quota filled.
Yes that's one thing that impressed me about Fred.
When you complained initially, he agreed with me on the Spam issue.
It was the other part that i fully understood, but then when it happend in this case, i felt he was being contradictive.
He did reply to me today, that he didn't realize the guy was in 2 downlines, and now he's not.
I have no idea what happend to his 1 referral, if it stood in mine or not.
I also was impressed with Fred that everytime i e-mailed him about the Oct promotion to put $100 in someone's account he did it immediately.
So i think he's honarable that way.
From what you tell me, and ppprk has been paid too (the only 2 i know personally besides my upline), i believe he will pay what he's supposed to pay.
That's why i'm sticking with it.
But i find all this downline hopping very frustrating.
By the way, i think you may have a few more friends than you think you have.
WE all have enemies. "You can't please everyone" I gave up trying a long time ago.
A very smart fellow once said:
"If you're a peach, and you meet someone who likes plums, and you try to be a plum, you loose yourself"
Then when that person decides he/she no longer likes plums what do you have?????
Be yourself. If someone doesn't like it, it's their loss.
You've shown me already that you can be a very good friend .
Of course that doesn't mean we're always gonna agree now does it?
But a friend is someone you can be yourself with, who accepts you for what you are.
A friend is someone with whom you dare to be yourself. He seems to ask of you to put on nothing, only to be what you are. He does not want you to be better or worse. When you are with him, you feel as a prisoner feels who has been declared innocent. You do not have to be on your guard. You can say what you think, so long as it is genuinely you. He understands those contradictions in your nature that lead others to misjudge you.
With him you breathe freely. You can avow your little vanities and envies and hates and vicious sparks, your meannessess and absurdities and in opening them up to him, they are lost, dissolved on the white ocean of his loyalkty. He understands. You do not have to be careful. You can abuse him, neglect him, tolearate him. Best of all, you can keep still with him. It makes no matter. He likes you---
He understands. He understands. You can weep withhim, sin with him, laugh with him, pray with him. Through it all-- and underneath-- he sees, knows and loves you. A friend?? What is a friend? Just one, I repeat, with whom you dare to be yourself.
That was written by C.Raymond Beran and i thought it was appropriate for all here to learn a life's lesson.
Take CAre,
Your FRIEND
Carole
See when we communicate in a grownup fashion what kind of solid relationships can be built!!!!
It started out bad, we could have become bitter enemies, acted childishly, got everyone either in attack mode, or defensive mode etc etc etc.
We handled our dissagreement like adults, and became friends.
I'm sure we're still going to have some disagreements now and then, but from here on in, i doubt they'll start off as harshly as this one did.
Yeah, it's nice to be able to do what you're doing.
I don't have a kids college fund, and i'm not a risk taker, so i doubt i'd do what you;'re doing.
I'm glad it works for you. AS you say, everything after DEcember is gravy.
The way i see my account (as you know i have limited funding here) and what money does come in to mec-co-op is going to the members as payouts so i have very little to play with.
It's going to take time to build up a downline, and invest little by little.
I'll get there eventually.
In the meantime, i'm doing my surfing to bring up the ROI.
My investor totals went down another $5. I'm not even going to ask what the heck happend.
LOL
I'm at 35 so far with 7 invested now.
I sent out an offer to the free members that if they invested $5, surfed 50 pages, i'd give them a free 10 point ad.
Hopefully a few interested in a $10 advertisement for Free will invest that $5
Then i get $2 credit towards my ROI and since a points mail cost me nothing but bandwidth to send, it should be rewarding for both me and the person doing the investing, assuming they continue surfing etc.
In the meantime, i'm trying to surf at least the 166 pages daily while attending to buisness matters at mec-co-op
I don't always get the 166 pages, but for the past 3 days, i've went way over, so i'm hoping at the end of the month to have my quota filled.
Yes that's one thing that impressed me about Fred.
When you complained initially, he agreed with me on the Spam issue.
It was the other part that i fully understood, but then when it happend in this case, i felt he was being contradictive.
He did reply to me today, that he didn't realize the guy was in 2 downlines, and now he's not.
I have no idea what happend to his 1 referral, if it stood in mine or not.
I also was impressed with Fred that everytime i e-mailed him about the Oct promotion to put $100 in someone's account he did it immediately.
So i think he's honarable that way.
From what you tell me, and ppprk has been paid too (the only 2 i know personally besides my upline), i believe he will pay what he's supposed to pay.
That's why i'm sticking with it.
But i find all this downline hopping very frustrating.
By the way, i think you may have a few more friends than you think you have.
WE all have enemies. "You can't please everyone" I gave up trying a long time ago.
A very smart fellow once said:
"If you're a peach, and you meet someone who likes plums, and you try to be a plum, you loose yourself"
Then when that person decides he/she no longer likes plums what do you have?????
Be yourself. If someone doesn't like it, it's their loss.
You've shown me already that you can be a very good friend .
Of course that doesn't mean we're always gonna agree now does it?
But a friend is someone you can be yourself with, who accepts you for what you are.
A friend is someone with whom you dare to be yourself. He seems to ask of you to put on nothing, only to be what you are. He does not want you to be better or worse. When you are with him, you feel as a prisoner feels who has been declared innocent. You do not have to be on your guard. You can say what you think, so long as it is genuinely you. He understands those contradictions in your nature that lead others to misjudge you.
With him you breathe freely. You can avow your little vanities and envies and hates and vicious sparks, your meannessess and absurdities and in opening them up to him, they are lost, dissolved on the white ocean of his loyalkty. He understands. You do not have to be careful. You can abuse him, neglect him, tolearate him. Best of all, you can keep still with him. It makes no matter. He likes you---
He understands. He understands. You can weep withhim, sin with him, laugh with him, pray with him. Through it all-- and underneath-- he sees, knows and loves you. A friend?? What is a friend? Just one, I repeat, with whom you dare to be yourself.
That was written by C.Raymond Beran and i thought it was appropriate for all here to learn a life's lesson.
Take CAre,
Your FRIEND
Carole
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