I was actually hoping someone would say that

what about a program that solely pays via egold

this would

1. cut down the cost of ads due to the fees a service like paypal charge

2. Egold is available to everyone/everywhere

hmmm.. so you want to send advertising to people who are known for signing up under others through paid advertising?

Yep, I want to ONLY send to people who have signed up for other programs, or it is a waste of my time to advertise.

And I want to know people who may sign up for an opportunity that would cost them some money (between $1 and $25) because I have never had that much luck advertising those on PTR.

thats a hard one

who might sign up in programs today might not tomorrow..

I'm not even sure what you'd call that in the way of targeting

not meaning to change the subject

but in a whole I'm not to keen on paid signup sections on sites.. they are a breeding ground for cheaters it comes back to this whole incentive thing (signup bonus etc) you are going to get the users.

If more sites dropped those its possible that members supporting their fellow advertisers would go up again.

I don't even mean paid to signup, I mean actually asking advertisers what they thought of the advertising. If members aren't signing up for any of the programs being advertised, then the program isn't worth anything except basically stealing advertisers money to pay people for only clicking on a site.

Is there anyway to check to see if people are signing up from paid links?

not at present with CC scripts no..

only within the p2signup section

I'm not actually even 100% sure if it could be coded in.

and I guess a target box wouldn't really work because most people just tick them all

the issue is.. as long as a site labels itself "paid to read/click" then thats all people feel they are responsible for.

its hard to move into the "paid for participation" side of things because its been so drummed into peoples heads that its just a read issue

I only use Paypal. Personally, I would not change that for any program. E-gold or any other payment processor just doesn't seem worth it to me.

I understand cutting down on fees and allowing any international member to sign up. But when it comes to my own money, I prefer to stick with what I know and trust in a payment processor.

so you'd understand that the ads on a site couldn't be quite as cheap because each time a payment comes in using paypal the fees are 30 cents or higher?

I'm just trying to find a grounding on how people think/feel.. versus what they may/may not have considered

I felt the same exact way you did before I tried E-Gold. You don't even enter any banking information, as you can't fund your account through the bank. It is hard to explain, but for MLM or PTR, I would much rather have the money go into my EGold account, which can never be frozen, then my PayPal account which I hope never gets froze.

Honestly, if you have any questions about EGold and want to ask someone who TOTALLY understands where you are coming from, you can PM me or respond to this post. The only reason I ended up joining was because my sister told me about PTR and the assets of EGold over PayPal when it comes to the PTR industry.

Thank you kindly for your offer. I did try out an e-gold account last year, and I just felt it was unnecessary to have it. I sell a lot of stuff on eBay, where I feel it's absolutely crucial to have Paypal because that's what most buyers use. That's where my funds are, and I just find it inconvenient to deal with any other online payment processor.

I've seen some sites have lower prices for ads purchased with e-gold, and higher prices for other payment processors. As an advertiser, this does not bother me.

I think to limit a site solely to e-gold would limit your membership. AND your advertisers.

Another idea - now I'm terribly sorry use a site that undersells their ads drastically as an example here, but...

It seems that to avoid fees, AYS only accepts bank-funded Paypal payments on their ad purchases. They ask advertisers to use ClickBank if they wish to make payment with a credit card, and ClickBank does not require buyers to sign up for an account. I have no idea what the ClickBank fee is, however.

If you stick with the "Personal" account at Paypal rather than either two of the upgraded Paypal accounts, it doesn't cost anything to receive payments. Personal accounts just can't receive credit card payments. Does using a Personal Paypal account to conduct business on the internet place it at risk of being frozen?

Edited to add: Or maybe that's to avoid any possible chargeback rather than to avoid a fee. I've heard that from another webmaster that won't accept anymore credit card-funded Paypal payments.

the targeted through the CC script is solely done by what tick boxes people have ticked in their preferences..

by reward do you mean member cashouts?

or small cash rewards into the account like a random check for activity etc?

I think all the things you've listed are essential to a good PTR, Juliet.

A few more possibilities I can think of might be:

1. More demographic info for advertisers. Advdertisers love demographic information. Especially if they can target their ad to specific demographics. Men, women, smokers, singles, married men between the ages of 40-55 with incomes between $45,000-55,000 who live in the US and are interested in "Automotive".

2. More advertising statistics. Advertisers get a little info after they've placed the ad, but it might be helpful for them to know things like average click-through rate, etc. before they decide to purchase an ad.

Along with this its essential that advertisers get good customer service. They are the ones paying for everything, after all.

3. "Interests" that really reflect the types of ads likely to be sent. As best I can remember, I have never seen an ad that had anything to do with "Automotive". Why is it an "Interest" in about 90% of all PTRs?

Of course, I'd like to hope that some day, there will be PTR ads for all kinds of products and services, instead of just other PTRs, HYIPS, searches, MLMs, etc. I think it would be good if the PO changed the interests as necessary to reflect what's really happening with the particular program.

4. More advertising options. More POs need to get creative with ad options. There are quite a few good ideas out there, and more POs need to give them a try. Contest ads, mystery ads, quiz ads (where the member has to answer a question about the site to get credit), scavenger hunt ads (where members have to actually look through the website to find something -- an image or special link, etc.), full-email ads (where the advertiser gets to write the whole email, except of course for the disclaimer at the bottom). I'm sure there are lots more, and I'm sure some of these are completely and utterly hopeless, but you get the idea.

5. Less cheat detection, more fun. I know cheaters have to be stopped, but with a lot of programs it seems like the we're all guilty until proven innocent. Shouldn't PTR be more fun than it seems to be these days?

6. More variation. So many PTRs are all just alike. Variations on a theme, with only a few exceptions. Part of it is because the POs don't know what else to do, and part of it is because members are often skeptical or just plain not interested in anything too different. But it would be good to see some significant departures from the average PTR.

Some areas I can think of that could use some serious improvement are the referral system and payments & redemptions. It would be cool to see some POs try some new ideas in those and other areas.

Ok, that's about all I can think of off the top of my head.

Cheers,

Wil