DREAMLAND SPECIAL: MAD COW CRISIS (February 12, 2004)
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| Dave Louthan, who on December 26, 2003, slaughtered the cow that was later found be the first one found in the US with mad cow disease, says that the US Department of Agriculture is mishandling the situation dangerously. Do not miss Dave's searing indictment of the USDA. This is MUST listening. |
http://www.unknowncountry.com/media/?clip=24
(30 min audio)
Mad Cow Man Reveals Government Lie (04-Feb-2004)
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| In the February 3 New York Times, Donald G. McNeil interviewed Dave Louthan, who slaughtered the cow on December 9 that was later discovered to have had Mad Cow Disease. He disputes the official statement that the diseased cow was a "downer" and says, "Mad cows aren't downers. They're up and they're crazy." This means they'll be much harder to identify, unless every single cow is tested. He also says that during slaughtering, debris from the spinal cord, where the dangerous prions lurk, "runs all over the beef." When Louthan heard the misinformation about the diseased cow being a "downer," meaning a cow that can no longer walk, he began writing and e-mailing newspapers and government agencies. He says the cow was only identified as having the disease due to a "fluke" and accuses the Agriculture Department of parking cars outside his home "trying to scare me." He claims one agent ordered him to stop sending e-mail. He says the cow with Mad Cow Disease came from another ranch in Washington State and was "a good walker." The only sign of disease was that her eyes were "all white, bugging out" and she was extremely restless. He thinks that not enough cattle are being tested for the disease because, "One mad cow is a scare, but two is an epidemic. They absolutely, positively don?t want to find another." Louthan also says that current slaughtering methods contaminate the entire carcass with spinal cord debris, meaning all the meat could become contaminated, not just the parts which harbor disease prions. McNeil writes that, "? splitters cleave the spinal column from neck to tail as hot- water jets blast fat and bone dust off the saw." This slurry, containing potentially dangerous spinal material, flows over the beef, which is then cleaned by spraying with hot water and vinegar, neither of which will kill the prions. Louthan lost his job after he told TV news reporters he was sure the Mad Cow had already been ground into hamburger and eaten. |
There is a place in Long Island where they sell Mad Cow Burgers 
And people say its amazing.. and lots of people are going there
And people say its amazing.. and lots of people are going there
nope.. not it 
You don't have to be afraid of the mad cow desease if you cook the meat properly. Hour and a half in the oven should be enough to reduce this stupid prions to just more denaturated protein.
nope, you can't cook Mad Cow disease away like you can e-coli.
if you really want some ground beef go to your local whole foods store and get some organically raised ground beef. it will cost more but it's much safer (and healthier too - no antibiotics or hormones)
if you really want some ground beef go to your local whole foods store and get some organically raised ground beef. it will cost more but it's much safer (and healthier too - no antibiotics or hormones)
Im not afraid Mad Cow Disease. Bunch of Liberal News and Peta are trying force to eat VEGETABLES.
Thought Mad Cow Disease was a thing of the past
Maybe thats whats wrong with my poor cow
she cant get up 
Maybe thats whats wrong with my poor cow
she cant get up
| QUOTE (davidbugs @ Feb 13 2004, 03:33 PM) |
| Im not afraid Mad Cow Disease. Bunch of Liberal News and Peta are trying force to eat VEGETABLES. |
Liberal News? I hope you're only joking, lol. I call myself liberal, and the news is anything but liberal!
Yeah Not enough Conserative Television. The only way you can listen Consetive talk show. You have to listed to Talk Radio. To hear another side of the story.
A lot of liberal saying bad thing about George Bush.
A lot of liberal saying bad thing about George Bush.
| QUOTE (MandyMooCow @ Feb 13 2004, 09:40 PM) |
| Thought Mad Cow Disease was a thing of the past |
It's back (or maybe it never left..) and it's bigger than ever.
But they don't tell you about it in the regular media because they want you to eat beef. Big Beef Business wants to keep their Big Bucks.
Especially in the US, which is a beef country (in Europe they eat more pork - not saying that is any better btw..)
| QUOTE (girrl88 @ Feb 14 2004, 04:31 AM) |
| nope, you can't cook Mad Cow disease away like you can e-coli. if you really want some ground beef go to your local whole foods store and get some organically raised ground beef. it will cost more but it's much safer (and healthier too - no antibiotics or hormones) |
Isn't it 'funny' that the organic beef costs more? They aren't spending money on the hormoes and other stuff they ususally feed to the cows - so shouldn't it be cheaper? Kind of like how the canned vegtables with no salt added costs more than the regular canned vegatables - should itbe less since they leaving something out?
| QUOTE (davidbugs @ Feb 13 2004, 09:46 PM) |
| Yeah Not enough Conserative Television. The only way you can listen Consetive talk show. You have to listed to Talk Radio. To hear another side of the story. A lot of liberal saying bad thing about George Bush. |
NOT ENOUGH????
sorry, but if CBS isn't conservative enough for you, I'm afraid you have to look for radical right wing groups and the militias up in the mountains to be more conservative. But I sincerily hope that is too conservative for you
| QUOTE (ccofer @ Feb 14 2004, 06:21 AM) |
| Kind of like how the canned vegtables with no salt added costs more than the regular canned vegatables - should itbe less since they leaving something out? |
I think that only aplies to beer. NA beer is cheaper than regular beer
I wish it was the other way around
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| Dave is now a man with a mission because, as reported by the New York Times, he says that the USDA is mishandling the mad cow problem and we are in serious trouble. This is a not-to-be-missed interview. Because we have no advertisers to tell us what to do, Dave can hit harder on Dreamland than he has anywhere else from the New York Times to the dozens of talk shows he's been on. This is the most revealing interview he has given! |
he's one mad cowboy, LOL
Some more (a follow-up article) from unknowncountry.com:
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| Mad Cow Madness Exposed on Dreamland: On our Dreamland science report this week Linda Moulton Howe interviews Mad Cow expert Giuseppe Legname, who says that U.S. efforts to control this disease are so bad, he's stopped eating meat. Dave Louthan, who actually killed the mad cow on December 26, 2003, said the same thing on Dreamland recently. Now Tom Ellestad, owner of Vern's Moses Lake Meats, where the cow was slaughtered, confirms that the cow was not a "downer." This means there is no way to identify which cows have the disease unless every one of them is tested, and we now only test about 20,000 cows a year out of 35 million. The U.S. says it will test 40,000 cows during the upcoming year. France tests about 50,000 cattle every week, and Japan tests all cattle that are slaughtered for food. Dr. Legname also says we need to find out whether dicalcium phosphate, which is made from cow bones, carries Mad Cow prions. Dicalcium phosphate is used in toothpaste. Jon Bonn? reports in msnbc.com that Vern Moses says the cow later found to have Mad Cow Disease could walk when it was slaughtered, contrary to the recent U.S. Department of Agriculture statement that the animal was a downer. Like Dave Louthan, who enjoys his job and is an enthusiastic meat eater, Ellestad is no conspiracy buff. He was originally reluctant to contradict the USDA, since many of the inspectors are his friends. He says, "I really believed USDA was going to address this?and say, 'Whoops, it looks like that cow was able to walk and we need to address that issue.' It did not happen, and so this is where we're at now. "Our business had been devastated," he says. "Our reputation had been maligned and the USDA knew the truth but had chosen not to make the truth about the BSE (Mad Cow Disease) not being a downer available to the public." He has given an 18-page affidavit, with 20 pages of supporting documents, to the U.S. House Government Reform Committee. Vern's stopped accepting downer cows in February 2003, and he required all the farms that sent him animals and all drivers transporting the cattle to sign agreements that they would not load any cow that could not walk onto their trailers. One of his documents is a copy of an agreement signed by Randy Hull Jr., the driver who transported the infected cow, agreeing not to bring Vern?s any downers. Hull states that the three cows he picked up from the Sunny Dene Ranch, in Mabton, Washington, where the infected cow was kept after being transported from Canada, were not downers. He says, "The animals each walked onto my trailer." Meanwhile, Randolph E. Schmid reports that Italian scientists have found a new form of Mad Cow Disease that more closely resembles Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, which infects humans, than the usual cow form of the disease. While studying eight cows with Mad Cow, they found that two of them had brain damage resembling the genetic version of human CJD, which infects older people and is sometimes confused with Alzheimer's. This is not the variant form of CJD that comes from eating infected meat. So far, there's no evidence that this new form of Mad Cow has infected any humans, but a new variation of any disease, especially one that more closely resembles the human version, is always a bad sign that it could be easier for humans to become infected with Mad Cow in the future. We explore the Mad Cow Madness - and lies - on this week's Dreamland, so don't miss it! You can hear Whitley's interview with Dave Louthan by clicking "Listen Now" on our masthead and going to the last item in the list. Visit Dave's hardhitting website, Davelouthan.org and learn the truth about the meat you eat! |
Dave is not a mad lone cowboy.
I'm a vegetarian and have been for a long time. It's situations like this that reinforce my decision. No I don't eat just vegtables. I eat cheesburgers, hotdogs, pepperoni and sausage pizzas, etc. How? I eat boca and veggi meat. As far as boca burgers go: You cannot tell the difference. I've cooked them for non-vegetarians and they couldn't tell. I'm in excellent health also. With all the antibiotics and growth homones in meat these days not to mention diseases that crop up; you couldn't pay me to eat any kind of animal. And no I don't wear or have anything made with animal parts, skins, or fur. This includes leather. I wear pleather and other materials. Not only is it humane: I save money!
Another follow-up article from unknowncountry.com:
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| Mad Cow Man Tells More Dave Louthan, the man who slaughtered the cow in Washington State that started the Mad Cow madness, has a chilling update on his website. He writes: Hi there, Dave Louthan here. See I told ya we'd get it figured out. J. Patrick Boyle, CEO of AMI (The American Meat Institute), is slapping (Secretary of Agriculture) Ann Veneman around like a rag doll. Get the Canadian border open and do it now. He says he wants to do it to spur all foreign countries into buying our meat but the fact is he's got a lot of beef standing up there eating hay and getting to fat to sell. I told everybody the meat people only had until calving season to get this fixed. That time is now upon us. All that inventory they have been holding back to keep the prices up must move now to make room for all the new feeders popping out now, today. Take a drive in the country and start counting calves. They are everywhere. The dam is breaking. J. Patrick says we're not testing our cows and you?re going to eat them whether you like it or not. He's mad. He was forced to show his hand. He's the one who pulls Ann's strings. At a press conference at AMI friday John Stewart, CEO of Creekstone Farms, said he will test all his beef whether the USDA approves or not. J. Patrick said, No, you?re not. John Stewart said we'll have to agree to disagree. J. Patrick said we'll have a private meeting when the reporters go home. It's all on the Meating Place website. Check it out. Here's the deal: J. Patrick demands that Ann Veneman declare Canada a low risk country even though they have had a couple of mad cows already. (NOTE: the mad cow Dave slaughtered was born in Canada and shipped from there to Vern's Moses Lake Meats, where Dave worked). She will do that. All those cows will start coming down here in droves. J. Patrick will demand the U.S. Gov't start punishing all the countries that refuse our meat with trade embargoes, high tariffs and withholding of foreign aid. Mexico and some of the smaller countries will cave in to pressure. Japan and South Korea will not. There will be a huge surplus of fat cattle waiting to be slaughtered. Prices will continue to plummet. All the smaller feedlots will go under right away. They will demand subsidies. The American taxpayer, you, will pick that up. The Gov't is already broke. George W. spent all the money beating up Saddam. Higher taxes will be necessary. In the meantime, we have a whole bunch of diseased cattle the powers that be don't want to do any thing about. They just want to play tycoon. You?re not going to get sick for a while, so unlike lysteria, E- coli, and salmonella, they can simply push it under the rug in the name of Profit. If this was a disease you got today and died from tomorrow, it would be a whole different ball game. As long as Joe Average is getting his bills paid on time and watching the evening news, which is completely devoid of any Mad Cow reports, he'll be content to sit there munching on contaminated beef and pretending that BSE is something that happens somewhere else. Besides, it's perfectly safe and risk free?the Gov't said so. Time after time. When all those poor smucks start getting sick and are lying in the hospital with tubes running out their noses, all of today?s beef tycoons will be lying on private beaches in the South Pacific sucking down Margaritas and laughing about the time they tricked America into eating diseased meat and paying good money for the privilege. My God, why doesn't some body wake up the American people. NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX, where are you? This is your job. If you want to be the reporters of the news, stop worrying about your sponsors and behave with Honor and start ###### well reporting the news. Hello, there is a story here. Thank you for your time. |
About the only way to kill prions is extreme pH (very strong acids or bases; do you wash your meat with toilet cleaner?), cooking won't harm them.
More testing? They just forbid it..
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| USDA: No Mad Cow Testing Allowed Scott Kilman reports in the Wall Street Journal that the USDA will not allow individual meat packers to test their own meat, because it may imply that the beef missed during random testing by the U.S. government is not safe. Consumer Susan Brownawell says, "This is ridiculous. If people want to have their beef tested, they should be able to. Isn't this how the free market works?" "Private companies should be able to test if they want," says Michael Levine, of Organic Valley. "I think the USDA is just petrified of finding more instances of BSE." Creekstone Farms Premium Beef wanted to build its own Mad Cow testing laboratory, but the USDA warned them they couldn't do any testing without government approval. Creekstone usually ships its beef to Japan, which is now rejecting all untested beef. There is only one U.S. laboratory that can test for Mad Cow? in Ames, Iowa. Last year, USDA scientists send samples there from only one out of every 1,700 cows. Each test takes several weeks, and there are no tests that work on live cattle. Private laboratories say they can do the same tests in only a few hours. |
There have been some more updates a while ago:
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| A Hero Needs Help Dave Louthan, who has been interviewed on Dreamland and mentioned in our newsletter several times, is an authentic hero who caught the USDA in a lie and forced them to start inspecting many more cattle for Mad Cow Disease. Now he needs our help. We've sent him a check. Please read his letter and consider doing the same. "Hi, my name is Dave Louthan. I'm the killer of the mad cow. I'm also the USDA's worst nightmare. They started lying the second that the word of a positive BSE test slipped out. I started contradicting them one minute later. I have blown their 'based on science' lies right out of the water. "The State of California saw through the USDA's crappy deceptions and announced today that all beef slaughtered and all beef shipped into California will be tested and it will not be sold until the results come back negative for mad cow. I testified at the Senate hearing in California where this started. See the testimony on my website*. I have been kicking the USDA's ###### for 91 days, 20 hours a day, 7 days a week. I have talked to dozens of newspapers, radio and TV stations. I have driven thousands of miles. I have made hundreds of phone calls, spreading the word and crusading for safe- tested beef. I've had some victories and some defeats but I can see slowly but surely we're winning. That's the good news. "Now the bad news: I'm out of money and I'm out of time. I'm flat broke and I have a family to feed. If I don't find some kind of funding in the next few days I will be forced to drop out of the fight. I have asked animal rights groups, consumer groups, government and private agencies for help with no luck. My only means of support through all this was some really good people out there, reaching into their hard-earned funds to help. To these people I say: thank you from the bottom of my heart. I would have liked to do much more but the realities of life say it's not going to happen. I knew early on I would not be able to save everybody, but hopefully I saved some. I will make this one last appeal to all of you for help in this fight against a corrupt government agency and a terrible disease in meat they are trying to trick you into eating. I won't waste a nickle of your money. And I will kick the USDA's ######. Donations can be made on my website through paypal or mailed to me at: PO Box 251, Moses Lake WA 98837. Take care." * http://www.davelouthan.org/ |
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| Only Half of Tainted Meat Recalled--UPDATE Only about half the meat and poultry that was recalled in the U.S. because of suspected health hazards between 1998 and 2002 was actually recovered by the manufacturers. This is especially worrisome now that Mad Cow Disease has been discovered here. Researcher Neal Hooker says, "Manufacturers should have a better success rate, but they don't." New regulations went into effect between 1998 and 2000, so when Hooker examined the latest recall records, he says, "I was hoping we would see that the more hazardous cases? would be more quickly acted upon and have higher recovery rates. But the answer was no. "The smallest plants seem to do the best job," Hooker says. "I think it's because they have simpler distribution systems and know their customers better, and will accept more product than was actually included in a recall just for good customer relations. "Right now, the USDA just asks a company if it made contact with retail outlets which distributed a product. There's very little follow-up. If a product is already in the grocery stores and the stores don't put up big signs about the potential hazard, people might not get the message. "?If we ever have a major bioterrorism threat linked to the food supply, we should have the system in place that would create the sense of urgency to prevent problems. You want to be able to move very, very quickly, and that should be in the regulations." UPDATE: Last December, Jill Crowson purchased ground beef from her local QFC supermarket and served it to her family. Shortly afterwards, she heard on a news report that a cow infected with Mad Cow Disease had been discovered in Washington State, resulting in a recall of 10,000 pounds of beef. Only after repeated phone calls and letters to QFC did she find out that the beef her family had eaten was part of the recall. She thinks the grocery store should have warned her. But how could they tell who bought their beef? Easy?QFC gives customers an "advantage card" which tracks every purchase made. They have the addresses and phone numbers of all advantage card customers, so it would have been easy for them to trace the ones who bought the potentially tainted meat. Attorney Steve Berman says, "The technology that they created to track down their own customers and give them bonuses and savings also allowed them to potentially save their lives"?if only they had used it. |
darn it, now i am craving a burger.
QUOTE(AlexRisa @ Mar 3 2004, 05:38 PM)
About the only way to kill prions is extreme pH (very strong acids or bases; do you wash your meat with toilet cleaner?), cooking won't harm them.
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A prion is a microscopic protein particle similar to a virus but lacking nucleic acid.
We know they cause Creutzfeld Jakob disease in humans, but this is a rare disorder.
However, Nobel price winner dr. Stanley Prusiner said years ago (at the Congress of the American Neurological Association, October 1999) that prions may also play a role in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and ALS.
Really! Would you know whereabouts? I never heard of but may know the place 
QUOTE(Mango88 @ Feb 13 2004, 06:08 AM)
There is a place in Long Island where they sell Mad Cow Burgers 
And people say its amazing.. and lots of people are going there
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And people say its amazing.. and lots of people are going there
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