FamilyAffair
May 3 2002, 04:42 PM
Key Points:
1) MulahMail was very upset about the click-through ratio of paid link. Out of 5000 members, only 1200 members clicked on the link within 8 days.
2) MulahMail will now do database cleaning, those of you will do not click on the 1 cent paid link below within 1 week, will have your account deleted without notice.
3) Members are now warned that occasionally there will be 'surprise' database cleaning that will not be in the subject line, so if you want to remain as member, read & click all paid links!
quote:
This is an announcement From MulahMail
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I realize this doesnt apply to all, please dont take offense.
ok...I really am fed up with my click through
ratio. It went up temporarily after the last
time I changed things but didnt stay that way long.
UNBELIEVABLY...I sent an ad to ALL Members...almost 5000
and only 1200 of you managed to click the link within 8 days.
Totally unacceptable PERIOD!!
Since I pretty much consider all of you employees since I do
foot the bill when it comes pay time.
Looks like Im firing over half my base. NOT KIDDIN EITHER!!
Any member that passes this mail up without clicking the
link will be removed for inactivity.
And...if that doesnt take care of the issue, then Ill do another
database cleaning, and another.
I've already made it perfectly clear that if you dont want to be here
to participate...then dont...unsubscribe. I want real members only!!
If you dont plan on clicking on ALL my paid links, please leave.
I dont make you do stupid searches daily, I dont cram your inbox full
of paid alerts...I try to provide decent, real advertising including
great things such as my Scavenger Hunts, Insta-Prizes, etc.
This was the last straw...1200 clicks out of 5000...you have got to be
kidding me...absolutely ludricrous.
If you guys arent going to support the site and offers, then why
should I bother sending any ads out and keeping it going.
Ive said it before and Ill say it again....
Id rather have 1000 of you that will do what is required...,
than 50,000 that dont bother with looking or clicking!
You have 1 whole week to click this link to remain a member...
all others will be deleted...(downline/upline) will be noted and
redistributed to the rightful uplines that are really participating
members.
And I realize some of you will only click this 1 link and then
forget all about it next time I send an ad...but Ill let you know
that there will be "surprise" cleaning that wont be in the subject line
next time to give you the heads up. Consider yourself warned if it
applies to you.
http://www.Mulahmail.com/cgi-bin/petrack.c...Spring_Cleaning
Kanarek
May 3 2002, 06:14 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but since now if I miss a paid link in MulahMail email it can mean losing my account, my referrals and my MONEY. I do not like it and consider cancelling my account. It is not worth losing time reading email form a company that can take all my money just because I missed a single paid link. Recently I've lost all downloaded email because of system crash including the one with MulahMail Blackmail Link.
I also think that such terms have a great scamming potential - you can cancel any account any time saying that this person didn't click on that hidden terror link.
robmichiels
May 3 2002, 06:32 PM
I would like to let you know tah tMulah mail has an honest webmaster.
When he sends prize links, there are prizes! I won one!
DBS cleaning is good!
MulahMail
May 3 2002, 06:39 PM
quote:
Correct me if I am wrong but since now if I miss a paid link in MulahMail email it can mean losing my account, my referrals and my MONEY.
That is incorrect. I can see members missing some ads here and there...dont get me wrong. But it is not acceptable when every single ad that goes out only receives 1200-1500 clicks out of 5000 people...I will not keep a base like that period!
quote:
I do not like it and consider cancelling my account.
If thats what you need to do. That simply tells me you must not click many mailings if you are worried about it.
quote:
It is not worth losing time reading email form a company that can take all my money just because I missed a single paid link.
Those who know me, know me well. Im not like that and never will be. Something had to be done.
quote:
MulahMail Blackmail Link.
I have no idea what you are talking about!
quote:
I also think that such terms have a great scamming potential - you can cancel any account any time saying that this person didn't click on that hidden terror link.
I pay members, always have...Im not a scammer, you must have me confused with Jason of EmailEarners...ya know the guy who stole my money and still hasnt paid and even sold my site to Chris Hullihan or whatever illegally.
I would not just delete someone over a paid email...I will however delete someone who is not participating at all.
Sheila Boyer
Owner of MulahMail
Kanarek
May 3 2002, 06:57 PM
Please accept my apology, I did not mean to accuse MulahMail of scam or any other unacceptable activity. Looks like it was me jumping to conclusions without looking deeper into the problem. Please excuse me - my job makes me look at everybody as a potential criminal, it is very difficult to get rid of this habit. Again, please accept my apologies.
ps.
You're right, I got completely lost in the matter who owns which gptr and who is fighitin whom. Sorry, my mistake.
MulahMail
May 3 2002, 07:14 PM
No Problem.
Also, everyone needs to realize how much extra money could be going to them...I send out 100-500 emails to separate parts of my base...wouldnt it be nice to have those 3000 non-participators not there so that you can get more money. They are pretty much deleting earnings you could be making.
E_Walks
May 3 2002, 07:42 PM
OK, I aint part of your email program, but, sometimes i get like 150 + emails in my inbox at once, and when that happens MOST of them are from GPTR, so instead of clicking about 200 links, i decide that it be easier to just like DELETE, well i spose it what most would do, Esp when they dnt get time EVERY day to click the links and read their mail,
So keep what i need to read, and then wait for the next 1 to come,
SO if i was part of your Company, and i didnt click a DB Cleaning link, but i clicked like 99/105 links you sent out, would that get me deleted?
~just wondering~
FamilyAffair
May 3 2002, 08:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by E_Walks:
OK, I aint part of your email program, but, sometimes i get like 150 + emails in my inbox at once, and when that happens MOST of them are from GPTR, so instead of clicking about 200 links, i decide that it be easier to just like DELETE, well i spose it what most would do, Esp when they dnt get time EVERY day to click the links and read their mail,
So keep what i need to read, and then wait for the next 1 to come,
SO if i was part of your Company, and i didnt click a DB Cleaning link, but i clicked like 99/105 links you sent out, would that get me deleted?
~just wondering~
That's because you join whatever companies that pops out. Nowadays I just pick the ones easier to cashout to join them. Useless programs, if I got tons of referrals, I just delete their e-mails or if few referrals then I will just unsubscribe.
I never even got this e-mail!!
wantumbucks
May 3 2002, 10:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rob:
I never even got this e-mail!!
I didn't get it either. Last one received was 5/1 with 3 paid links.
ppprk
May 3 2002, 10:18 PM
I didn't get it either
Emailsformoney
May 3 2002, 10:40 PM
A while back Mulahmail deleted most referral levels to improve click thru rate!
This was despite many people stating the obvious that this would not resolve the probelm.
All it did was take away members earnings.
So here we are again - bad click thru rates and complaints about it from mulahmail!
So maybe now MulahMail will look at the problem for real and delete inactive and pending accounts which is the correct way to resolve the clickthru rate.
Chris Houlihan
May 4 2002, 02:40 AM
What are you talking about "stole your site"?
EmailEarners was Jason's site and he legally sold it to me. I don't see what the problem is...
Chris Houlihan
May 4 2002, 02:51 AM
Gee thanks...
quote:
Chris Hullihan or whatever
rt40
May 4 2002, 06:05 AM
Ok, I know I'm old, but I just got lost on the last 2 posts Chris
E_Walks
May 4 2002, 06:37 AM
quote:
That's because you join whatever companies that pops out. Nowadays I just pick the ones easier to cashout to join them. Useless programs, if I got tons of referrals, I just delete their e-mails or if few referrals then I will just unsubscribe.
Ok, well i like to see if a company is worth my while to join or that for a few week before i know if off the drawing board, BUT!
You didnt answer my question, If i didnt click that 1 link, even tho i clicked more then 90 % of the links you sent out, would my account be deleted (if i were with your program)?
[ 05-04-2002, 08:39 PM: Message edited by: E_Walks ]
MulahMail
May 4 2002, 08:34 AM
quote:
What are you talking about "stole your site"?
EmailEarners was Jason's site and he legally sold it to me. I don't see what the problem is...
Yes, stole my site!!!
I paid 1/2 for EmailEarners and I paid half for SafeEarnings...both of which he never paid me for in regards to sales , moneyback after disagreement, or anything else.
You have a stolen site "SafeEarnings"
That entire site was completely made
by myself, and you are running it.
That is illegal. You are in possesion of a stolen site, a stolen poem, a stolen idea, and my stolen earnings!!!!! I created that site and I could probably get you on copyright violations because it is my work you have taken without purchase and without permission of myself.
ALSO...WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT.
I dont believe you are running the sites, otherwise why would everything still be under Jasons name in the whois records and why would all the referral links on his site still point to his accounts and such???
Ya know, I bet you are just covering for that no good piece of scum so that EmailEarners doesnt die off. Regardless, no matter who actually is running it, it is stolen and un-paid for.
MulahMail
May 4 2002, 08:36 AM
quote:
Ok, well i like to see if a company is worth my while to join or that for a few week before i know if off the drawing board, BUT!
You didnt answer my question, If i didnt click that 1 link, even tho i clicked more then 90 % of the links you sent out, would my account be deleted (if i were with your program)?
No.
Emailsformoney
May 4 2002, 08:52 AM
Oh here we go again
Mulah's on a roll
Trying to discredit other peoples programs time after time.
Well for me I have a lot more trust in EmailEarners than MulahMail
Why?
Because Email Earners has never taken money off its members like MulahMail has.
EmailEarners has not abused its member list like MulahMail has
Emailearners has not gone on forums discrediting other programs
Get your own house in order before pulling other peoples apart.
Leave your personal squabbles off the forums.
If what has happened is illegal then put your money where your mouth is and do something about it instead of throwing about idle threats.
E_Walks
May 4 2002, 09:28 AM
~thinking~
Shouldn't the discussion of the Whos Stole Whos Site Etc be in the complaints and scam alerts folder
MulahMail
May 4 2002, 12:43 PM
quote:
Trying to discredit other peoples programs time after time.
I only knock the scamming thieves.
Let me guess...its ok for you and everyone to complain about losing a few bucks, maybe even 10-20....but hey...its all good and Im supposed to keep my mouth shut when I get scammed for HUNDREDS...yea...whatever.
quote:
Why?
Ill tell ya why....
Because I happened to tell people about your scamming friend Wayne.
I dont really care what you have to say about anything.
quote:
Get your own house in order before pulling other peoples apart.
House?? Its a website ...get it straight.
quote:
Leave your personal squabbles off the forums.
This is far from personal, its business...and I have as much right to post my dealings as anyone else, so bite your tongue.
quote:
idle threats
HAHAHAHAH...threats huh...you havent seen any threats!
Jenna
May 4 2002, 02:42 PM
Sheila,
Normally I dont comment on stuff like this but being involved in GPT programs for some time now I feel that its crap like this that ruins a business like yours, not to mention your reputation as a business woman. I can remember that time you were supposedly going through all that ###### with Jason you sent out an email to your member base every chance you got...to me that is VERY unprofessional...griping about it in forums is ONE thing, but sending that crap out to your memberbase? PLEASE! If you have legal issues keep it between yourself and the other party(ies) involved, and DONT drag your members and your public reputation into it. Its funny how even after the the bad crap youve said about Jason in public forums AND his emails to his member base and such I dont recall him EVER saying ONE bad thing about you in public...if I'm wrong, prove it and I'll take at least that part back.
Changing your referral structure was one thing, and that ticked your members off...now your attitude just might cost you more if you keep it up (and no that is NOT threat as I alone dont have the ability to do that AND I dont MAKE threats)...I'm SORRY you think you were scammed or whatever out of these sites and all this money as I dont know Jason and what not and frankly I dont CARE, but dont hang your dirty laundry in PUBLIC for all to see (another cliche by the way just like the HOUSE one)...sheesh...
Also I seem to recall that your site is "iSAAF approved"? Does that mean you have the right to act like this and think youre all that? AGAIN, NOT a threat...just wondering...I wonder what Paul would have to say about your attitude...
Power in numbers....
Emailsformoney
May 4 2002, 02:50 PM
>>>Let me guess...its ok for you and everyone to complain about losing a few bucks, maybe even 10-20....but hey...its all good and Im supposed to keep my mouth shut when I get scammed for HUNDREDS...yea...whatever.<<<
Does that give you the right to take it out on your members? What you did amounts to theft, you should have got it right in the first place.
>>>Because I happened to tell people about your scamming friend Wayne.<<<
Funny how no-one else has a problem with Wayne. I'm sure he will be here to answer that himself.
And yes you did, you used your members list to try discredit both Wayne and Jason of EmailEarners.
>>>HAHAHAHAH...threats huh...you havent seen any threats<<<
There were plenty of threats flying about when you abused your members list to send scam alerts because of your vendettas with both Wayne and Jason. 2 ex partners, 2 failed partnerships. Seems to be a pattern there doesn't there.
Trouble is you only ever believe what YOU think, you don't listen to others and then when it goes bad you let your emotions run wild.
You need to take a step back and perhaps look at what other people are saying.
MulahMail
May 4 2002, 03:52 PM
Jenna,
quote:
supposedly going through all that ###### with Jason
Want my emails/headers as proof, its not supposedly.
quote:
sent out an email to your member base every chance you got
No, I sent them everytime something new unfolded...like him deleting accts for no reason, and for changing my paid link...
but also remember, I paid for you to read about it and even went about getting a special list so that people would know and all members not getting the info if not wanted.
quote:
between yourself and the other party(ies) involved
you are some of the party...it was your money too if you are a member...it did involve my members.
And Im not sorry in the least for making it known publically.
quote:
I dont recall him EVER saying ONE bad thing about you in public
yea...hard to say something back when you know it all is true....
quote:
but dont hang your dirty laundry
hmmm...my clothes are clean, Im not accustomed to dirty ...sheesh...lol
quote:
your site is "iSAAF approved" Does that mean you have the right to act like this and think youre all that?
Im proud to be iSAAF approved. iSAAF would have nothing to do with me being 'all that' as you say.
But yea...Im all that and thensome. At least theres a little more creativity for a change and not the same crap, different site
quote:
I wonder what Paul would have to say about your attitude...
I dont know...why dont you ask him instead of me.
quote:
Power in numbers....
So you must be weak alone huh.
If it can be divided, it can fall.
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quote:
What you did amounts to theft
How the hell do you figure??
It wasnt retroactive, you got your money.
quote:
Funny how no-one else has a problem with Wayne.
Yea..thats REAL FUNNY!!!
Goto iSAAF.com and take a look at all the people with problems with Wayne. Just me, my ######
quote:
to try discredit both Wayne and Jason
I didnt try, I succeeded. Just cuz a few of you disagree doesnt mean that others didnt look at what I had and felt different than you.
quote:
2 ex partners, 2 failed partnerships.
What can I say...young, cute girl with money to spend on here...I was an easy target.
Jason nicely befriended me when Wayne and I were having trouble.
He probably planned it.
quote:
Trouble is you only ever believe what YOU think,
Trouble is I believe what I know and I speak out about it.
quote:
you don't listen to others
quote:
You need to take a step back and perhaps look at what other people are saying.
Yea ok...heres what a few members told me today mind you:
#1
quote:
i understand your reaction.
4 weeks ago i buy a paidmail to 8.000 members for $100
Clickthru was 3743 and i got 91 signups but only 12 of them are realy active.
I've also said against that webmaster, i only buy a paidmail in future when i buy clcikthru's.
#2
quote:
How many people are excited by a penny or less?
Certainly not I.
Point - excite, intensify, diversify -
do something.
Rant was a good start.
Thanks & Best Wishes,
#3
quote:
> If you dont plan on clicking on ALL my paid links, please leave.
Whole-heartedly agree.
>I dont make you do stupid searches daily, I dont cram your inbox full
>of paid alerts...I try to provide decent, real advertising including
>great things such as my Scavenger Hunts, Insta-Prizes, etc.
Yes, all of that is true, I've noticed that long before you wrote this.
I very much appreciate that, & will take this opportunity to thank you
for it. I've tried over 400 different 'paid to' email pgms & I am
disappointed with the vast majority of them (especially the ones that
still choke your email box full of unwanted crap after I've gone thru
the 'unsubscribe' process multiple times, & eventually have to
'contact' them several times to tell them that they still are sending
me what now is 'spam' before they stop, I've even had to use DSN
Lookup, finger, & whois on a few to complain, & even threaten them &
their ISP's before they stop. Just a thought, but that might be
something to remind your users of too, it might make them think & take
a look to realize how nice you are to them, especially compaired to the
hundreds of pgms that are not & really don't give a ######. quote:
Sorry if I've taken up too much of your time. I wrote this because I
do have a real concern about what I've written, and also because I
really like your program & don't want to be deleted through some
scenario mentioned above. Again, I've gone through hundreds of pgms
that weren't even worht the time it toke to sign up for them. I don't
want to inadvertantly lose / be deleted from one of the precious few
pgms (your's included)that are actually not only worthwhile belonging
to, but also style & method that I agree with.
Thank you for your time.
#4
quote:
Just a quick note to say, think your thinking on the membership is right. If you have 5000 members and an advertiser sends to say 1000 not only are they getting a low click ratio. But these non working members are also taking away from members such as my self who are waiting to click links.
So just because you have an opinion...doesnt mean there isnt a 1000 other opinions out there as well which agree with me.
Strength in numbers huh...well just cuz I dont have much backup on the forum doesnt mean I wont prevail and I know that on the sideline...many back me regardless what you say.
[ 05-05-2002, 06:01 AM: Message edited by: MulahMail ]
judyann6
May 4 2002, 04:13 PM
for those of you that like to bash Mulahmail.......I think she has the right to delete accounts that are not active..you don't see the active accounts in here griping.
She also speaks the truth of being too trustworthy and losing money from 2 different potential business partners. If you the bashers of Mulahmail knew only half the truth..you wouldn't be so hard on Sheila. And she is not the only webmaster that gripes about people not being active and other webmasters have also reported scams of different websites and issues...so be fair. also I would like to know who the real owner of Emailearners is..Why such a secret?...I had my account deleted by EE when I posted a reply
in favor of Mulahmail a few months ago...then an apology and reinstatement..I have 100s of referrals..since then I have been very reluctant to post any views..but now I know I have as much right as anyone to post .
Webmasters work hard to get the paid links to us the subscribers.If we (including myself) don't want to take the time to read and click,then we deserve not to be a member.
Emailsformoney
May 4 2002, 05:07 PM
As was stated on isaaf:
if you own a shop and the customers are not buying then you don't go outside and start shouting at your customers to buy from you.
This is exactly what you have done with your members. You have blamed your members for your own inadequacies.
Again the problem of low clickthru is your responsibility and certainly not your members.
Will you ever admit you were wrong to get rid of referral levels the last time?
Will you ever admit that by deleting referral levels all you did was take money off members?
Will you ever admit you should have done your database clean the last time?
No, don't suppose you will.
Why?
Because you never listen to what others say.
You're always right!
lgwong
May 4 2002, 06:51 PM
Questions to MulahMail
1. How many out of those 5000 are pending members? If say 1000 of your members are pending. Then you are actually having only 4000 members. 1200-1500 clickthru out of 4000 members
is a reasonable clickthru rate nowadays.
2. Where did you host your site. If your site has been listed as a spam or open relay source, many mail server will block your site so that many of your members will never get your email.
3. Are your site always up? I try to visit
http://www.mulahmail.com but it seems that it can not load fully and just stopped in the middle. Many members may be experiencing the same problem.
MulahMail
May 4 2002, 07:03 PM
quote:
clickthru is your responsibility and certainly not your members
I disagree. They signup, they should click.
If not, then I dont want them there.
quote:
wrong to get rid of referral levels
Nope, as previously stated...I didnt make those levels and wasnt sticking by them. I credit 500
or better accts every scavenger hunt...my site
isnt like your .0025 links...my hunts have been
over 15each everytime. Thats probably more than you send out in 2 weeks. And thats not including
my 2cent emails, etc...oh and instant credit to accts during insta-prizes.
I can see how you wish Id kept higher levels for you too feed of other members why you do nothing.
quote:
Will you ever admit that by deleting referral levels all you did was take money off members?
Nope, I gave their money to them. Im just making it as fair and easy for people with no downlines to make the cash instead of all the big webmasters....sorry if you disapprove.
I figured with lower levels, more members are forced to do their own work instead of relying on others and I didnt feel like spending 3-4 weeks sifting through non-clickers because I have no idea how long someone has been a member and its not an easy task and not too mention the downlines that would be completely broken without me doing some serious effort like Im currently planning on at this point.
Also, I could easily just delete all w/o noting downlines and uplines and it would cut out tons of that cleaning time...but Im going the extra step to make sure people walk away from this mass deletion with referrals still intact.
quote:
Will you ever admit you should have done your database clean the last time?
Sure...Ill let ya have that one.
quote:
You're always right!
Well, Im usually not wrong.
MulahMail
May 4 2002, 07:16 PM
quote:
1. How many out of those 5000 are pending members?
3 Pending Members.
I delete pending accts daily and have for quite some time now.
1200 is unacceptable to me...thats not even 25%
quote:
2. Where did you host your site.
My host is excellent and is not the issue.
And dont you think I would be notified/warned if I was labeled as spam.
Why excuses for members that dont do what they are supposed to do.
quote:
3. Are your site always up? I try to visit http://www.mulahmail.com but it seems that it can not load fully and just stopped in the middle. Many members may be experiencing the same problem.
My site is rarely down, I even have a report sent directly when this occurs from an outside source.
It even notifies how long it was down in reports.
This is not the problem.
I have DSL...and I have never experienced page loading difficulties with my site.
Have anymore suggestions? At least I can answer and agree with how you are talking to me.
lgwong
May 4 2002, 07:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by MulahMail:
My host is excellent and is not the issue.
And dont you think I would be notified/warned if I was labeled as spam.
I have did some investigation for you. Your server was listed as a possible spam or open relay server. Check out http://openrbl.org/ip/66/96/228/95.htm
It might not be you who are spaming. It might be someone sharing your server or the same host spamming. There might be some glitch in the mailserver setting that it is an open relay and allow spam to relay through.
[ 05-05-2002, 09:23 AM: Message edited by: lgwong ]
MulahMail
May 4 2002, 07:42 PM
ok, I do not understand the webpage you sent me to...what is it saying in English and what should I do to find out more? Contact my host?
This clickthru problem has been existant for a long time and I just recently switched to this host, so I still think that even if this mail server problem had something to do with it...than what about last month when I was at Host4Profit?
thasith
May 4 2002, 07:44 PM
You said that your host is excellent.
According to lgwong, your host is preventing you from mailing to members.
quote:
Why excuses for members that dont do what they are supposed to do.
well, members are free to do whatever they want ( except spamming and cheating ). They might not want to click...it's still their choice. But according to your idea, members ARE REQUIRED TO CLICK every paid links you sent in order to satisfy you.
I don't even know how did you get the isaaf registered when you're acting like this. But anyway, I don't even care if it's isaaf registered or not.
Let me guess, one of the reason why your members didn't click is because they're afraid that YOU gonna scam them.
quote:
Well, Im usually not wrong.
really? accusing Jason for scamming you?
Isn't that wrong?
Discreting people?
Isn't that also wrong?
You should believe in the other's ideas too sometimes. No one wants to argue with you. The problem is, you're the one who is arguing with people.
[ 05-05-2002, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: thasith ]
MulahMail
May 4 2002, 07:45 PM
ok...well I just clicked a link there and this is what it said...
quote:
Blocklist query for 66.197.129.118
[show] "nslookup 66.197.129.118" (getting name) no name
66.197.129.118 has no reverse DNS information.
66.197.129.118 is not and should not be blocked:0.00% spam report rate falls under 2% threshold
MulahMail
May 4 2002, 07:47 PM
yada, yada, yada
and my host is excellent
[ 05-05-2002, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: MulahMail ]
lgwong
May 4 2002, 07:51 PM
That webpage check all the blacklist site on the web. These blacklist site maintain a list of open relay or spam source server. You server is listed in 2 of them, but not in the other 35. But get listed in one of them already get you in trouble. So sent this page to your host and ask for help.
thasith
May 4 2002, 08:06 PM
well, maybe you wanna change your host mulahmail. Might solve the problem about clickthru rate.
Emailsformoney
May 4 2002, 09:59 PM
Will you ever admit that by deleting referral
levels all you did was take money off members?
[/QUOTE]Nope, I gave their money to them.
LOL, you gave them the money???
That is a joke. So your members didn't earn the money by clicking on the rewards you offered and then have it taken away by your bad management.
As per your previous statement you regard us as your employees!
It's a bitter and twisted person that believes in their own lies.
All what you wrote above just proves that you will never listen to any reason whatsoever.
You say you delete pending and inactive accounts daily?
So tell me this, why are you now doing a spring cleaning when there is nothing to clean?
[ 05-05-2002, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: Emailsformoney ]
robmichiels
May 4 2002, 10:47 PM
peace!
come on folks get easy on it!
ciao
My experiences with Sheila:
Sheila,
Maybe you should take a step back and think why people aren't clicking.
People don't sign-up to paid e-mail sites to become your employees. People, including myself, sign-up to earn cash. That is the sole reason people signed up to MulahMail, or any other Get-paid company.
People like companies such as InboxMint and Mojoo, because they pay, and their e-mails are to the point.
Take a look at companies such as PocketJingle and TombMailer. People like those companies (admittedly, not all) because they pay, and they send out regular emails with jokes in too.
You see how we have two different types of paid e-mail company?
However, MulahMail comes into its own category.
You've used your e-mails to criticise, slander and abuse other webmasters in competition with yourself.
I never received this e-mail. Neither did other people. Do you not think the low click-thru rates might be because some of us aren't always getting the e-mails? It's another possibility - a possiblity you should be looking into rather than disregarding.
The five referrals should have been credited to me on April 1st. I was willing to wait a few days because your were having keyboard problems apparently - that's fine.
However it's been a month now with only one e-mail. No responses to my other e-mails either. You might know what you're doing, but I don't know what you're doing, and with all the bad press you receive I can be forgiven for fearing the worst.
I thank you for giving me the five referrals, albeit over a month late, but I am shocked at your rudeness.
'continually remind you of it'?
I sent two e-mails, apart from the ones around April 1st.
By the way, I am going to post this e-mail on various forums, including my e-mails and your reply.
I leave you with this:
If you're 'not a little kid', then why do you act like one?.
Rob.
>From: "MulahMail Support" <support@mulahmail.com>
>To: <robsharpeuk@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Spring Cleaning
>Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 15:40:27 -0500
>
>ok Rob...you are trying to tell me that out of over 4700 mailings that 3500
>didnt receive the mailing...I dont believe that for 1 sec. Yea ok.
>
>Futhermore...if you want, Ill go right now and add those 5 referrals...I
>wish you luck in actually keeping them considering over 3000 members will be
>deleted. Im not a little kid and need not be reminded how to do my job and
>what I owe as Im perfectly aware of the fact. I told you would be informed
>when they were added...have I informed you?? No, I havent but you
>continually remind me of it...Im not stupid and I know what Im doing. Now if
>you dont mind, I have work to do.
>
>I guess Ill start by making sure you have those 5 referrals...just hope they
>last more than a week.
>
>Sheila
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <robsharpeuk@hotmail.com>
>To: <support@Mulahmail.com>
>Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:17 AM
>Subject: Spring Cleaning
>
>
> > Rob at robsharpeuk@hotmail.com has a question:
> >
> > Spring Cleaning
> >
> > Database Cleaning?
> >
> > Well I never received your e-mail about database spring cleaning, I had to
>find it on a newsboard, so if you're getting a low click-thru rate, it's
>because not all the e-mails are being sent out.
> >
> > Furthermore, you owe my account 5 referrals through the banner contest.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
>
Wayne
May 5 2002, 03:35 AM
I'd say Sheila fell into exactly the same fly trap that I did. You see, Email Earners was bought through the reseller contest that I was trying to win. Money was sent to me through Jasons account, and there was definately no mention of any partnership. Legally that site was owned by Jason, if you had any partnerships, it should have been listed in the ownership information.
I should know, why? Because your thief of a friend April sent back my investment, and stole a site, with revenue of over $300. Very little you can do if your information isnt on the domain. However, I can call her a thief in public, and get away with that, because if she was to take legal action, her husband would find out all about the secret partnership.
Then theres this EDITED with your charity stealing friend Paul Coonan, Wayne Tickner claims 50% ownership of Mulah Mail? I sold out, and I am glad to say that I did, because if I was to be associated with that place, I wouldnt have a shred of credibility left.
This is the first public response I have made to you, and it sure as ###### is going to be the last, I wanted out of our friendship because you are nothing more than a control freak, taking over things. Maybe I did wrong in breaking a friendship up, but if theres one thing I cannot tolerate whatsoever, its friends that take advantage.
In regards to your hacking claims, get your raw logs, and show us the EDITED proof! if you dont have those logs, then I will assume that you are a filthy big lier!! I thought maybe someone had hacked you, but now I assume different.
I know how logs work, and I know every move made is logged. I wouldnt give you the satisfaction, now I suggest you find these raw logs, before everyone else here starts wondering if there ever was such a hack, you could have been deleting accounts to keep the money.
Now that I have that off my chest, which is 6 months worth of, I feel better. Get a life, and leave me and everyone else alone.
Wayne - The One From DBE
<small>[ 05-05-2002, 05:36 PM: Message edited by: Wayne ]</small>
astrangemix
May 5 2002, 08:58 AM
I think Sheila is perfectly right not being happy with a 25% click-thru rate. I know I wouldn't be! How do all you complainers figure webmasters are supposed to get good paying advertisers when the only stats they can show prove the ads would get little attention? For those of you who don't think of yourself as employees unsubscribe. We may not be in the strictest sense of the word but the TOS I read did say I was supposed to receive/read e-mail and visit the advertisers site to be paid. Since Sheila is the one paying seems to me she's an employer. If it's not a job you want or you don't like the boss quit. Sorry to offend, but comments like this:
quote:
Again the problem of low clickthru is your responsibility and certainly not your members.
are in my opinion completely stupid. If MulahMail was sending links worth 1/10 of a cent or those stupid search links (worth nothing) I could agree but in my personal experience this has never happened. Do you expect her to phone us everytime she sends mail and beg us to click? Would you like her to stop by and twist your arm? Sheila's job is to find advertiser's - Our job is help keep those advertiser's. For those that have too much e-mail take responsibility for your actions and weed out the unproductive programs/keep the ones you get the best results with. I've only been doing GPTR for 4 months, in that time I have subscribed to over 100 and have unsubscribed from 20-30. It doesn't take long to figure out who's sending links that are worth clicking on. I have probably 20 (low payouts) that I consider low quality and will be leaving as soon as I get paid. Until that time I click their links as that is what I signed up to do. There are other programs (with extremely high payouts) that people with no referral base shouldn't even be signed up for. I think the biggest problem for most (except the whiner who lost all his referrals) is that Sheila seems to be abrasive. Well guess what - so am I. It may not make us loved by all but it makes us very efficient and maybe someday we will be right up there with the Ted Turners and Peter Finchs of this world. Must not forget Greenspan, LOL bet you he's a real loveable guy. For me MM is one of the best and if Sheila manages to get the memberbase she wants I can guarantee that when I start advertising it will all be going to her site and her members no matter what it costs.
Wayne
May 5 2002, 09:27 AM
The clickthru ratio is not just like that on Sheilas website, but its on the majority of CAC sites in operation today. The reason for that is that all of us are spread between 150+ paid email companies. Many of our members just dont have the time to make all of these clicks daily, the reason for the drop.
Thats not the reason why everyone is in an uproar over this. I'll leave that for everyone else to explain. Just my 2 cents.
Erick
May 5 2002, 09:37 AM
I heard the majority of CAC sites have a 40% clickthru ratio... Some I have advertised with have over 50%...
Erick
Chris Houlihan
May 5 2002, 09:39 AM
Ummm...
Who the heck do you advertise with?
On FastCashEmail out of 5,350 members I get about 2,100 clicks.
Erick
May 5 2002, 09:45 AM
Click-Cents for one...
I sent an ad to 2000(which back then was almost there whole memberbase, not sure how many they got now...) and I got 1300 clicks.
Which is over 50%, .
Erick
Chris Houlihan
May 5 2002, 09:50 AM
Oh, thats why.
When you first start out you have maybe 2000 members and many of them will click, but as time passes and you start getting 5,000 and 6,000 you start getting people who just signup and do nothing, but their are better and more civilized ways of cleaning the database than what MulahMail has tried, ie. Lowering of ref levels (that didn't work) and FORCING people to click or be deleted (wont work)
[ 05-06-2002, 01:14 AM: Message edited by: Chris Houlihan ]
Wayne
May 5 2002, 09:54 AM
I agree 100%
Erick
May 5 2002, 09:57 AM
Oh ok, I didn't know, heh.
Thought it was good anyway cause it only costed $10. .
Erick
Wayne
May 5 2002, 10:07 AM
$10? Not bad
Emailsformoney
May 5 2002, 10:57 AM
If it's not a job you want or you don't like the boss quit. Sorry to offend, but comments like this:
quote:
"Again the problem of low clickthru is your responsibility and certainly not your members."
are in my opinion completely stupid.
My quote and I stick by it.
It is not our responsibility as members to make sure the database is maintained. It is not our responsibility to go out and get advertisers. It is not our responsibility to offer ourselves something worthwhile supporting. It is not our responsibility to threaten members with deletion just because of bad clickthru rates.
It wasn't us members that knowingly took money from ourselves despite being told it wouldn't work!
It's the responsibilty of the program owner - no-one else full stop.
What's completely stupid in my eyes is people supporting a program that takes "employees" money from them knowing that it is the wrong way to go about things.
Imagine having an employer that pays your salary into your bank one week and then withdraws it the week after!
Would it wash in the real world
NO
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