Everytime the least little thing goes wrong at any gptr site, everybody comes rushing in
to cry "scam!!". Yes, i realize that there are scammers out there and people have been scammed in the past, but I also know that some people are a little too quick to cry scam.
Please before you use the word use common sense, for instance I have heard a lot of people accuse AYS and Annie's because they raised the payout. Both Annie's and AYS have 20,000 or more members and they send lot's of emails. I have been at both places for barely three weeks and I am close to 20 dollars at both, if there min. payout was ten dollars that would mean I would be about to request payount for the second time since I joined. Would you want to payout 20,000 people every week?? ofcourse that is just the members without referrals or very little what about the members with a huge downline, how often would they reach payout? every couple of days? Once a day.
Think about it...
If they had kept there payout low, they would be more likely to go under...
Edited to say: and you think it takes a long time to get paid now, imagine how long it would take if their payout was lower.....
Full Version: Use common sense
That reasoning is a bit flawed because you're not the only one who joins. In the case of Aniie's or AYS, thousands have joined. Without referrals, they all reach the payout level at the same time, so they'll have to payout everyone then. Which some sites have not done. Instead, they raised payout or Ad-prices.
Many yell scam because they see that some sites are badly run. I'm not going to point fingers at any site now, but some offer ads for a fraction of what they cost them. That is bad business sense. Unfortunately, people stare blindly towards the "10 ct emails", "5ct PTC's" and the high payout of 50, 100 or higher.
Then, when cloud nine finally drifts to the ground, when payout is raised/stalled, they realize they've been punk'd. So to speak. By then, they crawl out of the woodwork and come in yelling the S word.
Eld.
Many yell scam because they see that some sites are badly run. I'm not going to point fingers at any site now, but some offer ads for a fraction of what they cost them. That is bad business sense. Unfortunately, people stare blindly towards the "10 ct emails", "5ct PTC's" and the high payout of 50, 100 or higher.
Then, when cloud nine finally drifts to the ground, when payout is raised/stalled, they realize they've been punk'd. So to speak. By then, they crawl out of the woodwork and come in yelling the S word.
Eld.
Eld is correct in thinking that the currrent ad sales boom is going to end in with a winner's curse scenario....
No doubt POs count on a % of people dropping out before reaching payout... referral earnings reduced because of click count period tallying.... discontinued members, etc. etc.
However, most of us newbies just want sites from which we can make a decent return.... and are willing to click site support links EXCEPT when it's being used to drastically undercut the cost of ads!
I'd rather the sites thrived realistically!
No doubt POs count on a % of people dropping out before reaching payout... referral earnings reduced because of click count period tallying.... discontinued members, etc. etc.
However, most of us newbies just want sites from which we can make a decent return.... and are willing to click site support links EXCEPT when it's being used to drastically undercut the cost of ads!
I'd rather the sites thrived realistically!
| QUOTE (antinomy @ Feb 8 2004, 10:01 PM) |
| No doubt POs count on a % of people dropping out before reaching payout... |
Is the 90 % drop-out rate true in practice ??
| QUOTE (mcf @ Feb 9 2004, 03:39 AM) | ||
Is the 90 % drop-out rate true in practice ?? |
Not from where I'm sitting but some programs are rumored to count on it and one was pretty much confirmed about an hour ago.
Eld.
| QUOTE (Eldritch @ Feb 9 2004, 09:44 AM) | ||||
Not from where I'm sitting but some programs are rumored to count on it and one was pretty much confirmed about an hour ago. Eld. |
which program?
In this thread, a member with a huge downline seems to have quite a lot of inside info. It's cashmailcart, btw.
Eld.
Eld.
| QUOTE (Eldritch @ Feb 9 2004, 10:57 AM) |
| In this thread, a member with a huge downline seems to have quite a lot of inside info. It's cashmailcart, btw. Eld. |
I figured that. I give it 2 months and BANG! Down the tubes.
| QUOTE |
| If they had kept there payout low, they would be more likely to go under... |
That deduction has nothing to do with the program going under per say...the reason behind higher payouts of some of the programs with the higher paid links means the longer the program can continue to milk the members for advertising bought, search revenue generated from member searchs, etc.....
In other words it is a calculated setup to ensure that a program can continue to pull in money for themselves before the bottom finally falls out because more and more members have reached payout and want to be paid.
When more members want to be paid, then one of two things happens. Either they raise payout or they change their Terms to reflect a longer wait for payout. Sometimes both.
Finally, when more members become disgusted at the wait for payout and begin to become vocal about it...some of the programs pick up and run. (close shop)
Others it seems, manage to close their ears to the screams of unhappy irrate members. Their cries fall on admins deaf ears...and in this case (as in a few programs that have managed to make that one year anniversary mark)...rely on fresh meat...(new members) to keep their game going and putting more money in their pocket.
Sadly, because they continue to pay X number of members, not a whole lot can be done about this type of immoral program continuing to remain open.
Another problem is that there are seasoned veterans of PTR Programs who perpetuate this process. They join as soon as these programs are launched, then begin a massive campaign to acquire a huge downline of hundreds and thousands...they reach payout quickly and often. They get paid then go tell everyone they've been paid, recruit more unsuspecting newbies who work their fingers off clicking (making money for them)...pull in some more payouts AND then when the writing is definately on the wall pull out and move onto the next new program launched and start the cycle over again.
I don't know what the answer is or how to stop it. It's really hard to stop this craziness when you have some people who "Refuse" to admit they are being used by unscrupulous webmasters who are very good at playing the game.
| QUOTE (ptrhost @ Feb 9 2004, 07:13 AM) |
| When more members want to be paid, then one of two things happens. Either they raise payout or they change their Terms to reflect a longer wait for payout. Sometimes both. Finally, when more members become disgusted at the wait for payout and begin to become vocal about it...some of the programs pick up and run. (close shop) |
Add to that the following as well:
"if a member were to become vocal in this or any other forum, and it is perceived as damaging or slanderous, the account will be deleted and it's earnings forfeited."
Or something among those lines.
I'm slowly beginning to see the setup of these large moguls, who monopolize the PTC sections of other programs...
| QUOTE (ptrhost @ Feb 9 2004, 01:13 PM) |
| I don't know what the answer is or how to stop it. It's really hard to stop this craziness when you have some people who "Refuse" to admit they are being used by unscrupulous webmasters who are very good at playing the game. |
This answer can be found in 3 words. "Sustainable Ad Rates"
If you see a site advertising a 10 cent mail to 6,000 members, and they're only chargin $5 for it, that's Not a sustainable ad rate. The site is losing money on that ad.
Now it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you keep losing money on your ads, something else has to give.
The biggest problem facing ptr is the fact that everyone is looking for the "cheapest ad rates". Who cares if that site will be around to pay it's members in a couple months? I just want a cheap price now.
If you want to see the sites that have been around a while and are actually paying their members prosper, Spend your money there! Not at the new upstart that's offering you the moon, and won't be there next week.
It doesn't take a lot of work to see if a site is planning to be around for the long haul. If you see unrealistic ad rates, don't buy ads there, it may cost you a couple pennies more to buy at an established site, but you also just helped that PO pay more members, which is what it's all about in the first place.
I personally don't understand raising payout minimums if you actually plan to pay your members.
If it's gonna hurt to pay someone $10 won't it hurt twice as much when you have to pay them $20?
The bottom line is, If you like a program, support it by buying an ad once in a while.
You'd be amazed at how much the PO's appreciate it. Although i work daily to get outside advertisers, the biggest source of ads at any PTR is the members.
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