This mail I got from Ironsides444, I presume he doesn't mind putting it here. I myself am not a member of either of them. I thought perhaps there are more whom have had problems, anyhow here is the mail I got from him:"
Emailmoolah:Awhile back I requested cash redemption of one of their
so called items for sale! They checked my account, seem how many referrals
I had and 130.00+ in my account! That day the payout was simply $10.00 2
hours later after not being able to log in, finally got back in and terms were
changed to payout at $300ish and 1/2 of that had to be your own click thrus!
Today I have 2 referrals and 3.00ish in my account!
HrtPaidEmail.com I had 458 referrals last time I checked, yesterday
I receive an email from them to confirm my email address, I attempted
to log in, but had to verify email address first, did so, and logged in
and all referrals gone. This morning I hear they lost their entire member
database, now if they lost the member database, how were they able to
send the "confirm your email address email" without me re-signing up. They
used to be Tatco who burnt me and others on alot of referrals! I gave them 24
hours at 7pm last night to fix or unpleasant circumstances will occur! Have not
heard back from them, and have sent 2 emails since! DO NOT SIGN UP FOR EITHER
ONE OF THESE SCAMS! YOU WILL GET BURNT!
The paid link is for MailEarners! All TNT members who are not members
of MailEarners, I would appreciate your participation. Any spelling errors
etc,. Please forgive me and understand as my blood is boiling! I hate
scammers and cant understand how they get away with this! Make me
want to get out of this and focus on the "cut throat" collection biz
more, as my nerves aren't as racked as they are now! Thanks for listening,
trust me on this, I an what I call an underground contact and the above
is all true!" So said Ironsides444.

at emailmoolah i lost 7 direct and 3 indirect referrals...that was all i had. I also lost all my earnings except 50 cents. I had about 17 dollars in the account. I've emailed them but they haven't replied.

Sounds like Ironsides444 has a point... too bad this happens:(

Me too

I had only 2 refs, and 14 bucks in account - but I hanged in there cause the mails were good and they seemed to have so much else going - no i have like you guys an empty account ecxept for merely 50 cents and no refs

What nags me the most is that they earn big on us before we can be sure they are scammers.

Many of the new comers in cac sites I have not joined, maybe that is why when I hear they are good I have very hard getting refs - still - I would rather spend time earning my self than waisting money getting refs and find out it is a scam.

The none player