jimbaum
Apr 1 2002, 10:03 PM
With the new ownership, the terms have been changed, affecting builders big time:
"You may request payments once your account balance reaches and your personal earnings are at least 25% of the balance...."
Placing a percentage cap means that you can only refer a certain number of people and after that, it is worthless as you can never achieve 25% if you have a good number of referrals.
As a builder, this TOS is very unrealistic.
lgwong
Apr 2 2002, 02:21 AM
This is really rediculous. So all big builders will not be able to get paid as their personal earnings will never able to be more than 25%! :mad:
So what should I do? Tell my downline not to click too much and ask them to cancel some of their account in order to get paid. :mad:
[ 04-02-2002: Message edited by: lgwong ]
FamilyAffair
Apr 3 2002, 06:31 PM
I agree... bad program. So far I have 55% of my own but I have 3 directs in MailCash.
ppprk
Apr 6 2002, 03:59 PM
Anyone know how to earn at least 25% of the balance when we have many referrals?
I know even if I click all paidemails,I will never earn 25% of the balance.
I reached the minimum,but I will never get my payment for my life?
Looks like another tactics to avoid payment. :frown: :mad:
FamilyAffair
Apr 6 2002, 04:09 PM
Fat Scam... :mad:
Rob, let's add them to boycott list. :tongue:
ppprk
Apr 6 2002, 04:38 PM
How much you earned yourself?
FamilyAffair
Apr 6 2002, 05:33 PM
QUOTE (ppprk @ ...)
How much you earned yourself?
I am member of wetrack.it's MailCash, not CAC's MailForCash. I got confused. :redface:
Byzantine
Apr 7 2002, 02:33 AM
There may be a way to get paid some of it at least, anyway. To make things easier to explain I'll take large, round numbers to explain.
Let's say you have $100 in total earnings: $10.00 personally, and $90.00 from referrals. You could not request all $100.00, because you haven't earned 25% ($25.00) personally.
You could request $40.00 of your earnings, though, because you've earned 25% ($10.00) out of $40.00.
I'm not in that program, and don't know what their minimum payout is, though. So I don't know if those numbers will work, the payout may be more than $40.00.
The thing about penalizing people with large downlines, is that is the only way to cash out quick. People without large downlines will be clicking a lot longer before the company has to pay them, and the company may not even be around by then. Sounds like a way to try to become one of those "zero expense" companies that lgwong mentioned in another post.
I notice there wasn't even a pretense at an excuse of people with large downlines being inactive, and lowering the company's click-thru rate.
I guess if companies changed too much of their TOS at once, they're afraid everybody would leave, and they wouldn't have a mailing list to give the advertisers any clicks. By sounding good in the beginning, they can get a lot of signups. They know a lot of those first signups will be from other CAC webmasters who will have large downlines, and be able to cash out quick. Still, it gets the company going in the beginning.
If they can just get those people with big downlines to leave later, they will have a lot of little lowly peons without downlines clicking away, and earning them money for a long time. By changing their TOS bit by bit, some people will get disgusted and leave. Then new people will join, and replace those. Then they can change their TOS again. Repeating those steps as often as necessary to keep enough peons to keep earning them money.
I wonder if any Paid-to-do-whatever webmasters who run scams on their members have ever scammed their advertisers, too? Using fake IPs or email addresses to generate phony clicks or sign-ups? If they did, they could just keep changing their TOS until they didn't have hardly any real members left. Then they wouldn't have to pay anybody!
Sorry for the doom and gloom, I'm not feeling well today. I think I'm coming down with something. :frown:
Emailsformoney
Apr 9 2002, 02:16 PM
Pathetic - some people need to learn the basics of referral marketing.
If members want to put time, expense and trouble into building their downlines they should NOT be penalised just because a program wants to delay payments.
Marc
ppprk
Apr 9 2002, 05:15 PM
They don't want to delay payments,but want only pay part of referral earnings & avoid huge payout :mad:
QUOTE (Emailsformoney @ ...)
Pathetic - some people need to learn the basics of referral marketing.
If members want to put time, expense and trouble into building their downlines they should NOT be penalised just because a program wants to delay payments.
Marc
[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: ppprk ]
relish
Apr 9 2002, 05:53 PM
percentages like that take away the whole idea of referrals. pretty much shows how greedy they are. they want you to bring ppl to their company so they can make more money but they wont give u any money until u reach a certain amount
its fair enough they want you to have like 1 or 2% even 10% of your earnings in total, but a quarter of your earnings is pathetic
ReferYou
Apr 30 2002, 11:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ppprk:
Anyone know how to earn at least 25% of the balance when we have many referrals?
I know even if I click all paidemails,I will never earn 25% of the balance.
I reached the minimum,but I will never get my payment for my life?
Looks like another tactics to avoid payment.
Maybe you should request payment and see if you will actually get paid.
ReferYou
Apr 30 2002, 11:45 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ppprk:
[QB]They don't want to delay payments,but want only pay part of referral earnings & avoid huge payout
No they really want you to click the paid links to bring the click through rate up to attract better advertisers.
ppprk
Apr 30 2002, 12:21 PM
It is not just because you want to bring the click through rate up.
Even if we read & click all paidemails,we don't get all ours earnings.
if you want want to bring the click through rate up,you can set minimum ctr(eg:50%,80%,or even 100%) to get payment
quote:
Originally posted by ReferYou:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ppprk:
[QB]They don't want to delay payments,but want only pay part of referral earnings & avoid huge payout
No they really want you to click the paid links to bring the click through rate up to attract better advertisers.
[ 05-01-2002, 02:22 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
ppprk
Apr 30 2002, 01:48 PM
Now we know we will get $10 when we earn $2.5 ourselves.
That is why I said you only pay part of referral earnings.
However,if we ca get $10 when we earn $2.5 ourselves,that's fine.
quote:
Originally posted by ReferYou:
quote:
Originally posted by ppprk:
Anyone know how to earn at least 25% of the balance when we have many referrals?
I know even if I click all paidemails,I will never earn 25% of the balance.
I reached the minimum,but I will never get my payment for my life?
Looks like another tactics to avoid payment.
Maybe you should request payment and see if you will actually get paid.
[ 05-01-2002, 04:23 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
summersun
Apr 30 2002, 06:19 PM
Just saw something even more impossible in the downlinebuilder, if you want to cash out with cash-motor, from your total earnings, 50% has to be yours. so you may have 1 referral??
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