wildguy2
Jan 28 2004, 06:43 PM
Annie please for the love of GOD fix the sever, you can't run a PTR expect to have happy
smiling members when they can even READ their email, I have tried all day to read my mail and ended up deleting half of them cause I can't get them to open...I love her program but this is just crazy, every single day it's the same thing...realize that changing servers, increasing ram and whatever else just isn't working. Can anyone out there, members and WM's that know what the problem is please list it here, and maybe just maybe she might use this info to fix the problem. I just don't want to see this PTR go down, but myself and probably 100% of her members are getting a little fed up!
wonderpoop
Jan 28 2004, 07:13 PM
I was just going to post how painful it is trying to get through the emails. I have over 100 because i was gone this weekend, and now I can't get through 2 without this page cannot be displayed
cajunlady
Jan 28 2004, 07:20 PM
| QUOTE (wildguy2 @ Jan 28 2004, 06:43 PM) |
Annie please for the love of GOD fix the sever, you can't run a PTR expect to have happy smiling members when they can even READ their email, I have tried all day to read my mail and ended up deleting half of them cause I can't get them to open...I love her program but this is just crazy, every single day it's the same thing...realize that changing servers, increasing ram and whatever else just isn't working. Can anyone out there, members and WM's that know what the problem is please list it here, and maybe just maybe she might use this info to fix the problem. I just don't want to see this PTR go down, but myself and probably 100% of her members are getting a little fed up! |
As I recall others HAVE tried to help her and she ignored their advice. I posted in another thread that its high time she get someone in who knows what they are doing to fix the site. I am assuming she is sending so many links in each email to reduce the load but I find it really irritating, especially when it takes 3-5 minutes to open a link. With 10 links that's almost an hour for ONE EMAIL!! And with 20 links like she has been known to send, its almost 2 hours! Insane!!
gizzy
Jan 28 2004, 07:21 PM
same here it is starting to get really, really old I like Annies but for god's sake do something to fix it please!!!
TonyB
Jan 28 2004, 07:26 PM
I totally agree.
About a week ago it really seemed that Annie had finally got it sorted. The links were loading quickly and the timers were working correctly, I thought "Great, we're back on track"!
Now, over the last couple of days it has become virtually impossible to use the site and the email links. It takes upwards of 6 - 10 refreshes to get the page and timer to load, then another 5/6 refreshes when the timer ends to ensure that the credit gets through to the account.
The '13 link' email that came out earlier has taken me from about 1830 hrs UK time until about half an hour ago to complete. This is now unbearable.
I emailed Annie a couple of weeks ago, offering my assistance in the running of the program. This follows the general offer that I made at this forum prior to that. I have a 'better than average' knowledge of computers and I also have management and customer service skills. I have heard nothing since. Annie, if you are seeing this, the offer is still open.
It is a shame that such a great program is having all this trouble. Annie, you do not have to do this alone there are people that genuinely want to help and no-one will think bad of you if you accept that help. I hope that this doesn't sound to condescending - it is not meant to be.
'Nuff said!
gizzy
Jan 28 2004, 07:53 PM
just like cajunlady posted others have tried to help her but she just ignores them
Symok
Jan 28 2004, 08:10 PM
I totally agree, this is getting redicoul- rediculu- ... crazy

Sometimes the links will open fine, when that happens I get maybe two or three, after which it just goes kaput again u_u;;
Sending lots of links in a single message might help a little (faster on the outgoing end anyway, due to fewer mails going out), but the sheer quantity of links in total that are being accessed is probably a big problem too. If this is just some silly pride issue, I really wish Annie would get over it and accept the help that's being offered. She keeps saying "smile". Well, I'll smile when the site starts working properly, and I can get through the mails in a reasonable amount of time.
AlexRisa
Jan 28 2004, 08:34 PM
maybe it helps if everyone clears their inbox on the site?
wildguy2
Jan 28 2004, 08:42 PM
| QUOTE (AlexRisa @ Jan 29 2004, 10:34 AM) |
| maybe it helps if everyone clears their inbox on the site? |
Can't clear the inbox, I just tried, but couldn't get to it, keeps saying page cannot be displayed http error. It's totally screwed up, the site is having major script or server problems, unfortunately there is nothing any of us (members) can do, it's all in annies hands. My patience is wearing to a thread...the best part is I only need $1.45 for payout, how terrible is that, I can't even get enough mails read to get $1.45, man this really SUCKS.
airyn1
Jan 28 2004, 08:46 PM
| QUOTE (AlexRisa @ Jan 28 2004, 07:34 PM) |
| maybe it helps if everyone clears their inbox on the site? |
Inboxes aren't the source of this. They don't take that much bandwidth.
hwsuccess
Jan 28 2004, 08:49 PM
I am from the other side of the world and generally will be going thru the emails while you guys on the side are asleep. Still I faced the same problems as you.
I dont agree that asking the members to clear the inbox is a long term solution though it is ncie to blame it on the size of th einbox.
Annies is no longe ron my favourite list nor will I advertise the site. AYS is as big if not bigger and they dont seem to have the same problem, and they remain my top favourite.
And please, Annies, stop sending out emails with more than 5 links !
Your reputation and business is at stake, think about it.
AlexRisa
Jan 28 2004, 08:57 PM
| QUOTE (wildguy2 @ Jan 29 2004, 03:42 AM) |
| QUOTE (AlexRisa @ Jan 29 2004, 10:34 AM) | | maybe it helps if everyone clears their inbox on the site? |
Can't clear the inbox, I just tried, but couldn't get to it, keeps saying page cannot be displayed http error.
|
keep trying, it worked for me after a while
I get most emails in my hotmail inbox, I just miss about one every other day, that I only get at the site's inbox.
DGE1754
Jan 28 2004, 08:59 PM
It seems the members would rather have less emails sent then to have a slow server... I know from a hosting stand point that would help with the server not being as slow
hts1
Jan 28 2004, 09:17 PM
Annie's Problem I belive is she is trying to Run a Site of Her Size Over 10,000 Member On a Server that Can only Handle a Site of MY Size 500 Members.
I think She is On Lucidity (However you spell it) Hosting I heard Stuff that is Not too Positive there(ONLY HEARD THIS) I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON THEM Since I was Never a Customer of them, Maybe She Should Try Borntohost Their Servers have ALWAYS Been Fast for Me. I also have My OTHER Site on MonsterWebHosts Again VeryFast Hosting. With Service Issues BorntoHost is Faster Addressing them, However You will pay More for the Extra Attention.
airyn1
Jan 28 2004, 09:21 PM
| QUOTE (hts1 @ Jan 28 2004, 08:17 PM) |
Annie's Problem I belive is she is trying to Run a Site of Her Size Over 10,000 Member On a Server that Can only Handle a Site of MY Size 500 Members.
I think She is On Lucitidy (However you spell it) Hosting I heard Stuff that is Not too Positive there, Maybe She Should Try Borntohost Their Servers have ALWAYS Been Fast for Me. I also have My OTHER Site on MonsterWebHosts Again VeryFast Hosting. With Service Issues BorntoHost is Faster Addressing them, However You will pay More for the Extra Attention. |
Nile and Acadian are on Lucidity and we have absolutly no complaints. It's when we were on Born To Host servers that we had problems. We were shut down for SPAM complaints (that we didn't do) while on BTH but since we've been on Lucidity they've actually cared enough to realize that it isn't us sending these emails.
wildguy2
Jan 28 2004, 09:25 PM
| QUOTE (hts1 @ Jan 29 2004, 11:17 AM) |
Annie's Problem I belive is she is trying to Run a Site of Her Size Over 10,000 Member On a Server that Can only Handle a Site of MY Size 500 Members.
I think She is On Lucitidy (However you spell it) Hosting I heard Stuff that is Not too Positive there, Maybe She Should Try Borntohost Their Servers have ALWAYS Been Fast for Me. I also have My OTHER Site on MonsterWebHosts Again VeryFast Hosting. With Service Issues BorntoHost is Faster Addressing them, However You will pay More for the Extra Attention. |
You are right, I believe that the host and server is the problem but she is trying to keep costs down, unfortunately at this cost. She may get cheaper hosting but is losing money because advertisers are not going to pay to have there ad posted when people can't even read it. What can she do?
hts1
Jan 28 2004, 09:27 PM
| QUOTE |
| Nile and Acadian are on Lucidity and we have absolutly no complaints. It's when we were on Born To Host servers that we had problems. We were shut down for SPAM complaints (that we didn't do) while on BTH but since we've been on Lucidity they've actually cared enough to realize that it isn't us sending these emails. |
I Stand Corrected.
wildguy2
Jan 28 2004, 09:28 PM
And magically her site is working fine again....just tried another email and fast as lighting...what is going on there??
Cynthia
Jan 28 2004, 09:33 PM
Before everyone decides that the host (me) is the problem, let's realize that I do handstands trying to accomodate and even learn anything new that I can in order to help make any site I host run more smoothly. Annies has been a challenge because it is a huge site, with lots of emails sent, lots of traffic and low budget.
I am presently working on a solution for the problems with Annies. I hope that it soon will be working well again.
wildguy2
Jan 28 2004, 09:39 PM
| QUOTE (Cynthia @ Jan 29 2004, 11:33 AM) |
Before everyone decides that the host (me) is the problem, let's realize that I do handstands trying to accomodate and even learn anything new that I can in order to help make any site I host run more smoothly. Annies has been a challenge because it is a huge site, with lots of emails sent, lots of traffic and low budget.
I am presently working on a solution for the problems with Annies. I hope that it soon will be working well again. |
Thank you Cynthia, it's good to see your doing your best to help annie and her site, I am not trying to put blame on anyone, it's just so frustrating when you try your hardest to be active in these ptr programs, especially when you are a member of alot at one time. Being active is one thing, but when the site doesn't work properly it makes it that much harder. I don't know if you recently did something, but her site seems to running fairly smooth again.
Cynthia
Jan 28 2004, 09:42 PM
I understand completely. I'm a member at Annies too.
Jorjias
Jan 28 2004, 09:42 PM
I will be installing thttpd and qmail on this server today. the problem is apahce and exim are just memory hogs and unless you want to be server poor and jsut though money out hand over fist adn alsways adding ram everytimg you turn around you pretty much need to get rid of those to software packages.
sure you could just tough more ram on the server and that would put a bandaid on it but it will not resolve the issued that every perrson that is connected to the site takes 5MB becuase of apahce so you will always be memory poor on high traffic sites. thats why large compaines like ebay do not run apahce for a web server it can not handle it. The run zeus. But Zeus is very costly so unless you want to spend $1700 per server just for the licence the next best thing is a few thttpds running and a load balancer like haproxy (i diecied squid was not best for this aplication) with this type fo configureation you can get the exact same performance as zeus for php scripts with out spending $1700 of coure it only works well on php scripts and then i had to also make slight changes in the CC scrtipst to make it work write and also had to modigy the code in thttpd its self to make it work right but it still gets the job done. Anyway i hope to login in a few hours to do this but i have been running behind all day sorry folks i have a pretty full plate
Cynthia
Jan 28 2004, 09:52 PM
Thanks John. I have thttpd installed and would appreciate, as always, your help in the final configuration for your scripts.
anniesbiz
Jan 28 2004, 09:55 PM
HI everyone,
please be patient.. i know this is frustrating, it is for me. I have John with CC helping me with this. It should be working fine by tomorrow morning. i am keeping my fingers crossed.
Annie
wildguy2
Jan 28 2004, 09:55 PM
Thanks to the both of you John and Cynthia, now were getting somewhere, I know you guys can get annies back on track. Again, thank you.
cajunlady
Jan 28 2004, 09:57 PM
Annie, will you PLEASE limit the number of links to 4 per email? 10-20 is way to many! Thanks, and I hope everything gets on track soon!
wildguy2
Jan 28 2004, 09:58 PM
| QUOTE (anniesbiz @ Jan 29 2004, 11:55 AM) |
HI everyone,
please be patient.. i know this is frustrating, it is for me. I have John with CC helping me with this. It should be working fine by tomorrow morning. i am keeping my fingers crossed.
Annie |
Hi annie, you really know hope to keep us (members) hopping, I know you can get this fixed. Thanks for the great program, but please try to keep the speed up.
Thanks
hts1
Jan 28 2004, 09:59 PM
| QUOTE (Cynthia @ Jan 29 2004, 11:33 AM) |
Before everyone decides that the host (me) is the problem, let's realize that I do handstands trying to accomodate and even learn anything new that I can in order to help make any site I host run more smoothly. Annies has been a challenge because it is a huge site, with lots of emails sent, lots of traffic and low budget.
I am presently working on a solution for the problems with Annies. I hope that it soon will be working well again. |
I just Looked at the Member Count At Annie's it is OVER 20,000. Maybe what I am trying to Say is MAYBE She Doesn't have the Correct Server Plan for the Size of her Site. I can't say for Sure Since I don't know What Plan She has. But this is what it APPEARS to be from a member standpoint
anniesbiz
Jan 28 2004, 10:01 PM
hi there,
yes, you won't see any more huge emails like that. there will be no more than 3 in an email
sincerely,
Annie
cajunlady
Jan 28 2004, 10:03 PM
| QUOTE (anniesbiz @ Jan 28 2004, 10:01 PM) |
hi there,
yes, you won't see any more huge emails like that. there will be no more than 3 in an email
sincerely,
Annie |
THANK YOU!!
hts1
Jan 28 2004, 10:04 PM
| QUOTE (Jorjias @ Jan 29 2004, 11:42 AM) |
sure you could just tough more ram on the server and that would put a bandaid on it but it will not resolve the issued that every perrson that is connected to the site takes 5MB becuase of apahce so you will always be memory poor on high traffic sites. |
5MB of Memory PER PERSON!?!?!?!?
So Annie's Program ALONE Would Require 100,000 MB Of Memory?
OUCH!
DGE1754
Jan 28 2004, 10:07 PM
| QUOTE (anniesbiz @ Jan 28 2004, 09:55 PM) |
HI everyone,
please be patient.. i know this is frustrating, it is for me. I have John with CC helping me with this. It should be working fine by tomorrow morning. i am keeping my fingers crossed.
Annie |
John I know has been a help to Cynthia with his expertise on this issue.
I know personally (because I watch the Lucidity servers everyday thats my job at Lucidity server sitter) Cynthia has been trying different configurations to make the site run as smoothly as possible
Alot goes on behind the scenes people dont know about...for instance me rebooting the server when it crashes or killing apache to stop it from crashing...its all a concerted effort from Lucidity staff and John trying to fix this frustrating issue for everyone. I am just glad we all can work together to try to resolve it
anniesbiz
Jan 28 2004, 10:18 PM
I just want to thank Lucidity Hosting, and the people that work with Cynthia. they are a wonderful hosting company, and are always there to help. And.. a big thank you to John too, for taking this on.
Annie
trash
Jan 28 2004, 10:18 PM
Thanks for answering Annie, I hope the server fix goes well, and thanks for taking your members' suggestions about the number of links in a mail. Hope you're around for a while.
anniesbiz
Jan 28 2004, 10:24 PM
I will be around.. I am one who doesn't give up!!!
moneym8
Jan 28 2004, 10:34 PM
| QUOTE (hts1 @ Jan 28 2004, 10:04 PM) |
| QUOTE (Jorjias @ Jan 29 2004, 11:42 AM) | sure you could just tough more ram on the server and that would put a bandaid on it but it will not resolve the issued that every perrson that is connected to the site takes 5MB becuase of apahce so you will always be memory poor on high traffic sites. |
5MB of Memory PER PERSON!?!?!?!? So Annie's Program ALONE Would Require 100,000 MB Of Memory? OUCH! |
That's if ALL 20,000 were online at the same time...but I don't think that would ever happen.
wildguy2
Jan 28 2004, 10:35 PM
| QUOTE (hts1 @ Jan 29 2004, 12:04 PM) |
| QUOTE (Jorjias @ Jan 29 2004, 11:42 AM) | sure you could just tough more ram on the server and that would put a bandaid on it but it will not resolve the issued that every perrson that is connected to the site takes 5MB becuase of apahce so you will always be memory poor on high traffic sites. |
5MB of Memory PER PERSON!?!?!?!? So Annie's Program ALONE Would Require 100,000 MB Of Memory? OUCH! |
5 MB sounds like alot but actually isn't, if you download pictures on your computer, take a look at them sometime, as an average picture file uses around 10 to 20 MB, if you transfer MB to Gigs which is what most processors run on today, it isn't alot.
First it was K then KB then MB now GB man it's confusing isn't it
ekelly
Jan 28 2004, 10:51 PM
I am not even a member of Annies.....I quit A LONG TIME AGO due to various things.
However, I received what appears to be a payout request reply from Annie.
| QUOTE |
----- Original Message ----- From: "Annie" <xxxxxxxxxxxxx@annies-biz.com> To: <xxxxxxxxx@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:44 AM Subject: Payout Request
> Congratulations on making payout. > > Your payout is being processed. > > You will receive another email when your payout is finished. > > Please remember payouts can take 90 days. > > Sincerely, > > Annie > > don't forget to smile today!  |
Wondering why my name is turning up in her database and why on earth I am in queue for payout....considering the fact that I NEVER reached payout when I WAS a member.
Anyone have any insight into this?

Edited to add: Annie.....you can pay me whatever you think is fair LOL!
And good luck to you
Salteh
Jan 28 2004, 11:34 PM
| QUOTE (wildguy2 @ Jan 29 2004, 03:35 PM) |
| QUOTE (hts1 @ Jan 29 2004, 12:04 PM) | 5MB of Memory PER PERSON!?!?!?!?
So Annie's Program ALONE Would Require 100,000 MB Of Memory?
OUCH! |
5 MB sounds like alot but actually isn't, if you download pictures on your computer, take a look at them sometime, as an average picture file uses around 10 to 20 MB, if you transfer MB to Gigs which is what most processors run on today, it isn't alot. First it was K then KB then MB now GB man it's confusing isn't it |
PARDON ME?
I think you may be a bit confused... web graphics are often 10kb. As in, it takes a hundred of them make a megabyte. Even a photograph can be less than 100kb.
As someone else mentioned not everyone is on at the same time. Even when there are 200 people on, that doesn't equal 1,000Mb because they don't all click at exactly the same second. It's a little more complicated than that.
To the person who offered help to Annie - she originally was having me come on board, but has decided not to do that. Since she is really busy and hasn't had the chance to let you know, I'd say that she wants to continue to run the program on her own.
metijo3
Jan 28 2004, 11:35 PM

Well it's good to see Annie replying for sure. Annie's is still my favourite and I will keep going with it, however, taking 5 hours to do just the clicks on Annies-Biz left me drained!! Do we get paid for the script error note after we have waited the 60 seconds?
Salteh
Jan 28 2004, 11:44 PM
Also in defence of Annie's server she certainly is NOT running the site off a cheap hosting plan. She is on a dedicated server and in my opinion is paying what it is worth, but please do not assume it is cheap hosting like the servers sites with 1,000 members have - definitely not.
jake19
Jan 29 2004, 12:09 AM
Hi
I'm wondering if anyone else is receiving this message where the timer should be:
"Warning: main(pages_dirserver_error.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/anniesb/public_html/scripts/functions.inc.php on line 50"
The timer doesn't load, but it still redirects to the advertiser's page. Will we be able to view those ads later and receive credit for them, or does the system register that we have already visited that link, even though the timer was broken?
Salteh
Jan 29 2004, 12:48 AM
I suspect that it doesn't credit - because if you keep refreshing you eventually get the "account credited" message, not the "you have already clicked" one.
The reason you get that message is the communication with the database times out. The reason that the site loads is that it is a redirect (simple and fast).
moneym8
Jan 29 2004, 01:28 AM
| QUOTE (wildguy2 @ Jan 28 2004, 10:35 PM) |
5 MB sounds like alot but actually isn't, if you download pictures on your computer, take a look at them sometime, as an average picture file uses around 10 to 20 MB, if you transfer MB to Gigs which is what most processors run on today, it isn't alot.
First it was K then KB then MB now GB man it's confusing isn't it |
8 bits are equal to 1 byte.
1,024 bytes are equal to 1 kilobyte (KB).
1,024 kilobytes are equal to 1 megabyte (MB)
1,024 megabytes are equal to 1 gigabyte (GB)
1,024 gigabytes are equal to 1 terabyte. (TB)
1,024 terabytes are equal to 1 petabyte (PB)
1,125,899,906,842,624 bytes - 1024 times 1024 times 1024 times 1024 times 1024
jake19
Jan 29 2004, 02:55 AM
| QUOTE (Salteh @ Jan 29 2004, 05:48 PM) |
I suspect that it doesn't credit - because if you keep refreshing you eventually get the "account credited" message, not the "you have already clicked" one.
The reason you get that message is the communication with the database times out. The reason that the site loads is that it is a redirect (simple and fast). |
Thanks. I have kept all the emails, guess I will try and hold onto them until the site is 'fixed'.
madamechef
Jan 29 2004, 05:19 AM

I am in Bonnie Scotland and I am finding Annies no slower than a lot of other sites, maybe its the time difference?!
I am putting the following quote from AllYouSubmitters TOS which may throw some light on some comments that have been made
| QUOTE |
| All inboxes must be kept cleaned out. I have found members with over 200 emails in their inbox and this will no longer be tolerated. Once again, this burns up way too much server resources. I am tired of switching servers (which requires hefty setup charges) every month to accomodate lazy members. If the situation does not improve, inboxes will be removed permanantly. |
Because she, AYS, is so adamant about it I do log in regularly and empty my Inbox, I am now doing the same with Annies. Personally I find the Inboxes superfluous and annoying, please note this is a personal comment, and I have read on a couple of occasions that webmasters are now doing away with them because of the amount of server resources they eat up.
As for sending too many emails, well, if you don't want to earn money don't click on them just delete them the minute they are downloaded, better still if you really cannot do anything else but moan about Annies, unsubscribe!
I for one am quite happy, umm may have said that before, because in just over a week I have earned over $10, yippee!!!!!!!!
PS: There are an enormous amount of virus infected email, over 30% of all emails, at this moment in time which is affecting the Internet in general, according to the News this morning.
Have a good day
wonderpoop
Jan 29 2004, 09:56 AM
Why do we need the inbox? I sometimes check my email on the webpages, but not very often. If something like that is going to slow down webpages, maybe they should just get rid of the inbox options or make it optional. Not every site has them, and I don't think it should be our responsibility to keep it cleaned. I always assumed that is what our personal emails where for anyways.
But I do hope Annie fixes the slow problem soon. I love her site, I just got 19 referals for a site I promoted. I am so happy, I never had that great of luck anywhere else ever before.
gizzy
Jan 29 2004, 10:05 AM
| QUOTE (anniesbiz @ Jan 29 2004, 12:01 PM) |
hi there,
yes, you won't see any more huge emails like that. there will be no more than 3 in an email
sincerely,
Annie |
Thank You!!!!
britbabe
Jan 29 2004, 11:22 AM
| QUOTE (wonderpoop @ Jan 29 2004, 11:56 PM) |
| Why do we need the inbox? |
We need the inboxes because if big email service providers decide they don't want PTR emails no more (like hotmail/msn) then the inboxes are great as members don't miss out on their emails
wonderpoop
Jan 29 2004, 12:14 PM
| QUOTE (britbabe @ Jan 30 2004, 01:22 AM) |
| QUOTE (wonderpoop @ Jan 29 2004, 11:56 PM) | | Why do we need the inbox? |
We need the inboxes because if big email service providers decide they don't want PTR emails no more (like hotmail/msn) then the inboxes are great as members don't miss out on their emails
|
Than like I said, make it a option.
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