my sentiments exactly

...and if it is true what Trayse said in an earlier post that points ads are very profitable for the site then why remove them completely??? All most of us asked was to be given the option of choosing to click or not....

and from Shane

If you had read carefully what most people objected to was not the points themselves BUT being forced to click them I personally don't like points that much but there are people that do which is fine but being told u will do them was what got up my nose...


as leewright said

I am playing the world's smallest violin here for you all.

You just are not ever happy. Do yourself and the rest of us a favor. Quit all the sites you are in,sell you computer,and worka night job flippin burgers or something. BUT get out of the business. You have NO CLUE what is good for all because you are SO concerned about yourselves.

(laughing at the hypocrisy)

Shane

Hey this is PAID TO READ. The advertisers pay the site for YOU to read the ad. Not to cry about it. NO WONDER advertisers are so far and few beween. If it isn't a 10.00 link nobody will click on it and get their chance to stare at the ceiling.

You are all making me sick.

shane

Shane for your information I dont have a probelm with point ads and I always click them so bite your B*** and dont tell me to sell my computer and pack up and go home cause I also happen to support your site actually I support all your sites even the ones you started and sold

Excuse me? Army snotbags? Spoken like a true liberal.

Anyway. IT IS HIS SITE> IF THE ADVERTISERS ARE NOT GETTING THEIR MONEY'S WORTH HE LOSES ADVERTISERS. AND TO COME IN THIS FORUM AND ACT LIKE A BUNCH OF PERSONAL ATTACK EDITED ABOUT ISSUES ALL THE TIME JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW MUCH YOU PEOPLE REALLY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THIS BUSINESS IS ALL ABOUT.

Sorry for screaming. I am getting disgusted with all the whining and acting like babies around here.

shane

Shane why is it whenever anyone has a problem or a complaint you come charging in here and tell us we should be out flipping burgers or down on a corner...you tell us we are all whiners and whingers...

As I replied once to you yeah its a job and if I don't like my job in real life I'd quit...the difference is in Real life I would be paid for the work I had done... in PTR you get zip....If we all make you so sick then maybe you should consider selling your computer and flipping burgers....

Hey trayse maybe you could hide his keyboard or somethin' while u are sleeping???LOL

The comments were not directed solely at you. I think i quoted the wrong quote.

After the fiasco about having to click points and everybody here raking them over the coals and THEN to come here today and see this ###### because they are gone really gets my goat.

shane

I have been reading everything, thank you. It wasn't directed at anyone personally but since you took it that way ...

It just doesn't matter what they do, someone is always complaining.

I jump into threads when I see a complete load of rubbish.

I really get tired of seing this.


shane

I grew up in a military family, and my Daddy was still nice to people, he never ordered them to do anything!
As far as the other WMs~POs that you referred to in your other post sending out points and changing terms or whathaveyou, and then you made the comment about being nice...well, yes, being nice does tend to carry over much better than being rude.

Tie him up in the bed next to you traysee

That's how edited read mod note in following post....JMHO plus an observation from a few basic psych classes back in my college days.

That's how edited by mod are...JMHO

And no this is not a personal attack because I have not called anyonea edited by mod, i am just stating an observation

mod note :

Looking at the way you quoted one specific post from one specific person or about one specific person, there could be a fair assumption who you're referring to.
This is confusing everyone about why you post this here if you just talk in general and if you referred to someone specific, even yourself would consider it as a personal attack which should better be avoided in this forum.
Thanks for paying attention to this in the future

sophieca
moderator

Good! I mean, despite all the complaints from others, if points ads are (as you say) your best way of bringing in capital so that you can make payouts, then I would rather you DIDN'T remove them altogether...just made them a little easier to do.

Sorry Sophie, if anyone took that the wrong way, but the way you edited would make someone who had not read the post think I had used vulgar language...which i DID NOT.

And the term that I did use is not necessarily an insult, some people would take great pride in being observed as such, therefore it could not be considered an ATTACK.

Yes, I'm sure it can be quite tiring and upsetting to see constant complaints about one program or another here at GPF.

On the other hand, many businesses would KILL for such instant feedback. Think about how much money some companies spend just to find out what their customers want...or what will make their employees happier and more productive. We're talking BIG $$$ here...and PTRs can get it for FREE just by reading the posts at GPF! BARGAIN!

But back to the subject -- the changes at MP4E.

First of all, I agree that Mike gets more than his fair share of criticism here. Other programs do the same sorts of things and nothing or very little is said.

I think part of that is because Mike's programs, and in particular MP4E, have a lot of members and are BIG targets. Mike gets complained about at GPF for the same reason that Nike get acused of using sweatshop labor to make sneakers -- its not that other companies dont do the same thing, but Nike is one of the most biggest and most visible companies involved.

Another part of it has to do with Mike's lack of PR skills. Its not secret that he has a way of saying things, and doing things, in a way that seriously irritates people.

Also, I don't think there would be so much discussion here about MP4E if Trayse didn't come here and post her replies. Let's face it, the reason many people don't bother to complain about other programs is because the PO isn't going to post anything back. Personally, I think its great that Trayse come here and lets everybody know what's going on. She cops a lot of rubbish for it -- most of it completely undeserved -- and yet she keeps doing it so that everybody at least has a chance to feel like their opinions have been heard, and to hear some of the reasoning behind Mike's decisions.

Secondly, I think many members complain here because they feel that is about all they CAN do if they feel frustrated or wronged. Many PTRs members are made to feel powerless by the seemingly-overwhelming inquity of the TOS. POs can make any changes they like, and members either have to deal with it or quit and give up all their earnings. What else can they do but post a complaint here or in other forums?

And lastly, members have a RIGHT to complain! Some POs might not like it, and in fact some POs have made it against the TOS for a member to DARE to make a public complaint, but the fact is, people DO have a right to voice their opinions.

Yes I know many of them just come here and post a SCAM complaint and don't even both to explain WHY they think the program is a scam. And I also agree that many members complain about things based SOLELY on what they think is good for them -- they don't spare a thought for what's good for the PO or for the advertiser (adverWHO, they ask -- there are ADS???). But there are also many people here who post valid complaints, offer their reasoning behind the complaint -- and some even offer possible SOLUTIONS.

Why should members who complain quit all their programs and get out of the business? Why doesn't the same go for POs?

If a PO complains about cheaters, or lack of member support for advertisers, or too many bouncing emails, or low click-through rates, should they just close their PTR and get a job flipping burgers? (BTW, nothing wrong with flipping burgers -- I've flipped more than my share)

There seem to be a number of people around here, POs and members alike, who seem to go with the "just do your job and be quiet about it -- if you don't like it, quit" kind of attitude. Maybe some of them really like things the way they are. Maybe others are scared that if there are too many complaints the PO will just close up shop and nobody will get paid.

Personally, I refuse to let fear, or the promise of an extra dollar, keep me quiet.

I want to help make this business better for everybody -- members, POs and advertisers. I know that if things don't get better for EVERYBODY, then the PTR business just won't work.

As it is, it seems there are a growing number of POs who are either perposefully scamming their members, or doing so out of incompetance. And there is an increasing number of members who see PTRs purely in terms of how they fit into their money-making system of PTRs, traffic exchanges, auctions, HYIPs, bubbles, MLMs,randomizers and whatever else -- they have no interest in the ads or the advertisers, but just putting money in their bank accounts. This is not good.

But the fact is, if some PTRs do manage to survive and prosper, then part of the reason why will be because members have had a voice -- they have expressed their opinions, offered their feedback, praised and complained -- and helped make PTRs better for EVERYBODY.

Cheers,

Wil

Just a few days before all this point fiasco hit, I went in to redeem before quitting this one. Even with the amount I had it was only good for banner impression, which I assume is same as mentioned by a previous poster. My experience is that banner impressions a basically worthless, and as I recall one has to forfeit their "bonus" to get them. There should be something more for an amount almost 1/3 of the way to payout.

Well, at least you now recognize that this is PAID TO READ, since you are usually spouting off about how we should all be paying for advertisements to keep the PTR industry in business.

And, I am a pretty good clicker, though I do remember that I have a life and I don't live for this. I do buy ads when there is a site I think is wonderful enough to promote. Which is why I only join sites I think are worth something and are run by PO's with some class.

But, you know what, as a member of Mike's I honestly do not think you help Mike one bit when you join in on threads regarding his site. Your PR skills suck ... even worse than some claim Mike's does ... which is why I have never joined any of your sites. I have no interest in clicking for you with the attitude that you have.

Also, honestly, you just make Mike look bad when you come in on these threads with nothing but insults for anyone that says anything that you do not personally like.

MEEOOOOWWWRRRRRR

Hyia,

I did not imply or say that you used vulgar language and you're right, you didn't, however before posting my moderator note, I had asked an english native speaker and an american one how they understood it to make sure that in this context it might be considered offending.

The moderator note just asked to pay attention to other member's sensitivity when posting because they might be offended even if the poster didn't intend to offend.

Thanks for reading

Sophie

trayse, please don't hide behind something someone else said in another thread. The activity I am talking about is legal within the TOS of both programs and any attempt to change it in any way or discredit my activity could be understood as trying to draw attention away from your activity.

So, I am following the TOS at both sites and because ROD said he feels like PTC's are ....... I should stop doing what is allowed in his terms?

Dont try and hide behind anyone elses legitamacy. Rod gave everyone plenty of notice when he changerd his terms on credit the first of the year.

I feel rather sure that Rod from SAS will take action at the time it is need and not when its a feeling. Also give his members enough time to adjust.

My thoughts too.

Not surprised at this. People chose to be in sites where they are treated like this, be it shane, mike, or harleybabes.