hi all,

I'm sure many of you have read the discussions about mec-co-op-paidmail the last weeks.
Maybe you also remember, that mec-co-op deleted my account because of inactivity, while i'm absolutly sure i was active and in good standing with the terms. I had more than 50 referrals there and some earnings.
After i asked her about that, owner told me to resign and then she'll see if she can put anything back in my account. Ok, also if some comments were really rude i did the new signup.
Nothing happend to that account, it still was at NULL in earnings and referrals about 1 week. While that time the discussions here continued and owner got more and more rude to me, so at last i deleted this new account again.

Today i got a mail from coppercoins.net, the second gptre-program from mec-co-op owner
see this:



Man what a bad joke! Know what? Few weeks ago she asked members to redem their earnings in advertising. Ok, i did it, now i have 'only' $3.13 as earnings in my coppercoins-account, but 216 referrals!

I wonder why she says she will transfer the earnings to mec-co-op, if you have an account there (or sign up a new one) while she already is unable to pay all actual mec-co-op members, and with this extra money lot of members will reach cashout-minimum!

I also can't understand, why she don't sells coppercoins? (that would give her at least the chance to pay the earning transfers to mec-co-op and coppercoins-members will not lose their referrals!)

No, really, this is not fun, first losing more than 50 refs at mec-co-op, then losing 216 at coppercoins and only get MAYBE the payment only when i resign to mec-co-op? NOOOOOOO, thanks a lot!
I don't sell myself for such a program (-owner)

Greetz, Pluto53

I want it !

what is the place up for bids ?

what happens to pple's gold memberships?

lol ....

post that question in coppercoins support thread


greetz, Pluto53

go Jay

@ nze:

this is also from the same mail:


so if you are not yet a goldmember at mec-co-op you will get the goldmembership free, that's all (nothing about the formerly goldmembership at coppercoins)


greetz, Pluto53

leave the downline and members transfer the personal earnings over to mec to their accounts and leave it

the ones that are members of mec transfer to mec and remove the copper coins account ~

i 'll take the site if she wants and put it on jays-qualityhosting

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Just a thought

You will change the minimum if you buy the site?

why ?

http://www.Fancy-CashEmail.com

will be open here shortly

John is working on it Now

1 level 30 % and a $5.00 payout

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Did I say I'd change the minimum ** NO **

Nice

Wish I had the money? I would buy it from her, and keep everything in tact. Maybe someone else running it could bring it up in activity again.

Payments:

Members may earn by receiving paid-emails and visiting the advertiser websites after they have entered their member ID in the area on the website provided by CopperCoins.Net. Members may earn by referring new members to the CopperCoins.Net program. Members will earn 10% of their direct referrals earnings, 5% of their indirect referral level earnings, 4% of their 3rd level referral earnings, 3% of their 4th level referral earnings, 2% of their 5th level referral earnings and 1% of their 6th level referral earnings. Members will be paid via PayPal/check. CopperCoins.Net will pay members when their balance reaches $10 and they request payment. Payments will be made within 30 days or a reasonable time after.
Check processing fee - $3.



*** Works 4 me ***

I'll email Carol and see what she thinks .......

I'll even run all current gold for 1 yr

I want that ppprk SAN run GPTR...

hands of god =ppprk SAN

if coppercoins.net is difficult for run and maintain

I'd rather being sell to any other member

Go for it Jay.....

I am not sure why Carole did not look at selling it or giving it to someone else....Maybe she has her reasons.

As for people complaining about losing there referals.....I can see it would be annoying as you have had to advertise to get them, BUT.....If a program isn't sending paid e-mails anymore, because no-one buys any....It doesn't matter how many referals you have.....now does it?

I will add this in Caoles' defence......Carole could of kept this site opened and used it for her own personal safe list, and send ONLY point e-mails with her own referals......but she didn't (unlike some owners I know...who we wont mention...hehehe)......But she is doing the right thing....and 6 months notice...how good is that!

If it can be sold, all the better, and Jay would be perfect

I had asked her if she needed any assistance the other day, but she turned me down. I know she has been stressed out, and tired at the same time. Hence the people making complaints against here and the worries about Mec-Co-Op.

The reason i will not sell it, is that i've had offers already from people i know that would love to get their hands on these scripts which were converted by John free of charge.

Had i not had John to convert the scripts, i'd have shut down both sites rather than continue to run the other scripts.

Therefore, i'm giving the scripts back to John rather than let them get into unscrupulous hands etc.


I'm willing to take that loss.

ANyone interested in CC scripts can get them by purchasing them directly from CC.

I will not be putting them up for sale. If John wan't to that's up to him.

As for Pluto, i won't say anymore.

So far 99% of the members are thanking me for at least giving 6 months notice and the opportunity of transfering earnings.

Pluto went 30 days inactive, i stand by that, didn't give me any time to put back any earnings and cancelled immediately within 2 days.

Sorry, but i tried to rectify situation but Pluto obviously doesn't have any patience, and refuses to give credit for the fact i don't just shut down both sites and walk away.

Why should i sell a dying one. Coppercoins is dead.
No ads, no money coming in, no money can be made by members without ads.

So i'm putting all my efforts into mec-co-op which i know can be profitable in a year from now once i get the deficit reduced and the ads continue to flow.

I have no intentions of defending my actions to people who wish to do nothing but stir the pot.

Most other webmasters would shut down and open another site and start fresh.

I'm not doing that, i'll work my butt off to save one.

If i fail, i fail, but i will give it everything i've got.

don't like it? cancel your accounts and get on with your life!

Why should i sell a dying one. Coppercoins is dead.
No ads, no money coming in, no money can be made by members without ads.

Maybe dead 2 you ~


Also I am Johns # 1 Seller since the day I signed up there ** No One Turns out these Sites like I do for MEC**

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I'll take it FOR FREE right now and leave all your members in tack and their
earnings and downlines if you want to Transfer the domain I will pay for that and move the site to Jays-QualityHosting Servers
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Way Better for you members & you ~

That's Right I just said I'll eat your debt load

Now there is No reason ( in my opinion ) for you not to think of your members and resign the sign to :

Jaydillar Online LLC

Jay, do you also pay thru e-Gold ?

Sophie

Ooops, read above you don't or only for one year ... then I prefer transferring all my earnings to MEC co op, at least I'll have something :-).

Sophie

I said I'll take the site on current terms everything intact including all earnings intact for the members .....

OOoh, thought you didn't pay thru e-Gold.

How can you say you take it over with debts and everything without knowing how much Taxlady owes to her members ... seems risky business practice to me, even if you are free to do as you like :-)

I'd like to transfer my earnings to MEC co op anyway ... liked the idea .... :-)

Sophie

Now that DOES bring up a good question...ppprk, have you ever thought about starting a PTR? You would seem to be an obvious candidate!

I seriously doubt she would have time to run a ptr. She is swamped just building her downlines.
Besides, she has stated a number of times that she has no technical skills, and she probably doesn't have the time or inclination to learn them.

Sophie, yes he does. E-gold, AnyPay, you name. I like the link to Moneybooker to check it out. Maybe I can see if Jay would sign up under me?

You go girl! Ever need any help, just let me know.

As far as business practice I've already talked to several of her heavy hitters their accounts we're at 6 and 8 bucks

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I made the offer publically and offered to stand behind what I said ~ either way

I don't mind it's her's and as far as the domain goes if she doesn't want
to transfer it / sell it now and I'll wait to april to get it

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I've just pre ordered the domain name the day it expires if she lets it
EXPIRE it's mine ;-)

Do you really think you could revitalize it?

yeppers and I've liked that name since I first seen it

I think I was a member when it first launched. I had a downline of about 25 first level referrals. I was close to payout and cancelled my account. Kinda stupid, but I had just bought my own site and needed to concentrate on that and not clicking emails from 500 sites. If one went, then all of them went. If you can get it going, I give you props. But if carole cannot get it going I think it may be close to impossible....but anythings possible as long as you want it bad enough, right?

The one thing I would like to add is that members of coppercoins have been given ample notice.. The downside is it has put most of us over our payout on Mec which Carole doesn't have the money to pay right now. No problem to wait a bit longer as long as Mec prospers long enough for us to reach $15 when we can cash out.
Also.. anyone who had downlines on Coppercoins should be getting gold on Mec also..
My earnings have transferred, but gold hasn't.. yet.

I have always thought about it(for almost one year),but I am only thinking

Building downlines don't take me much time(at most 1hour/day)
Now I spend almost all my online time in reading hundreds of emails every day
I can't do other work because I am getting too many emails

And now a little more bad news. Not only did I lose my entire downline at coppercoins but now I get an email from carole saying that since my earnings at coppercoins is now added in at mecca I'm close to the $10 payout. Now i have to wait til I have $15 to get paid.

You only spend an hour a day building those massive downlines???!!!

I don't have massive downlines in all programs
When I have massive downlines,that's mainly because I have many "indirect" referrals or I advertise them much
If I don't have "indirect" referrals & don't promote a site,I have no referrals there

When I promote GPTRE,I mainly use gptre sites, free advertising sites or traffic exchange programs
Submitting ads to these sites doesn't take much time

When I promote paid programs(mlm),I mainly use safelists
Posting ads at safelists takes time,but since now I didn't have much time to promote these paid programs(because I am getting too many emails),I hardly joined them these days..& just promoting some free safelists now..
(When I was not getting so many emails,I spent much time joining & promoting them like crazy )

But reading emails & use these paidemails sites take me much time
I spend much time to read emails & clicking banners,but I can't read all emails I get every day.
I still have many unread emails in my email box & still reading them

It would be $20 , $10 from each site.
Gimme a break here!

So what is the payout .. $15 or $20??? I was told $15.

Great, something else for them to complain about.

I did write a long essay here, thinking it was $15, but have since read that it is indeed $20, which is still fair as both sites had a $10 payout....BUT At coppercoins my earnings are about the $1 mark, and I would rather delete that account and not bring it over, to leave my mec-co-op at $10 payout.......I dont have any referals for mec-co-op, so it will be hard going to just reach $10....I know this is temporary.....but it can get disheartening.......But I will be here, I will not leave

Hey moonieb, you might want to check out the topic in news...

Carole has been far better than average for a GPTR program in keeping members informed about the troubles with her business. Unfortunately, that is damning with faint praise.

This is a very tough way to earn a living in the first place, and it has been made all the worse from the many webmasters who have failed to keep their word. Most have just vanished without explantation. Of all the CAC sites I joined, only one has actually paid me. That one was ClickWage and they have since shut down just as I was approaching a second payout.

Look at the way Carole has lived up to her promises. First we were given a $20 signup bonus with $50 payout. When that turned out to be a bad business decision, we were forced to use that $20 for an ad or for a gold membership in order to get the payout lowered to $10. Neither of those options appealed to me, so I did nothing. Then the rules were changed again to just take the $20 from my account. Too bad for me.

Then she started to send point emails rather than cash emails. Points could be redeemed for cash, but at a reduced rate. Another bad decision? Most of the emails are now for points and the points already accumulated are worthless. She can't afford to keep that promise either. I don't bother to click on worthless point emails, so pretty soon I will have my account cancelled for inactivity. There have not been paid emails for several days now.

Now that my signing bonus is lost and points are history as far as getting paid, the payout level is raised again and almost no paid emails are being sent. Is there a chance in ###### I will ever get paid?

Do any of the GPTR webmasters understand the concept of a contract? Is a person's word meaningless if the promise is made by on the internet? When I promised to pay my mortgage every month, there was no provision that if I did not have the money, I did not have to pay and could just change the terms. In real life there are serious consequences for dishonoring your word. I signed up for GPTR programs because they promised to pay for reading emails. I do not even try to refer others to a program until I know that they actually pay. I have more respect for my friends and family than to refer them to a program that may just be a scam like so many have proven to be.

Amen Trader!

I'm in the same boat as a lot of you....

I have a little more than a dozen referrals at coppercoins and some earnings and have asked to be transferred. Was not a member of mec-co-op-paidmail, so I joined last week.

I liked coppercoins and had promoted it in the past few months. My campaigns signups were a little less than expected. (The only worse campaign was for maxcash4u.) I took the low turnout as a sign of saturation instead of lack of interest. I liked the design and color scheme.

PS - now I'll have to change my signature...

This statement in carole's support folder written by none other than the webmistress herself is, in my opinion, a pretty accurate statement in how she really feels about her members. She writes

"I was charging as a sale $20 for a 1cent to all
not much business was coming in.

I ran a "SUPER DUPER ad sale"
$20 for 2000 guaranteed clicks 1cent each
I took in $800 approx (don't remember but i know it was amazing)

Now while guaranteed clicks are great, keep in mind, that those people were getting an ad to all for same price and getting around 5000 clicks

I laughed my head off over that one.
I saved a fortune."


Yes, quite a "unique" marketing strategy. Intentionally dupe advertisers, then laugh about it in an open forum.

From shutting down coppercoins she is most likely hoping that most members will just unsubscribe and not have to pay them.

Yes, a most likely strategy. I dumped Coppercoins the same day I was deleted from Mec-Co-Op. Figured that sooner or latter the same fate would befall me at Coppercoins.

Promoting Coppercoins was more difficult; there was no incentive to join; ie. a sign-up bonus or free send after x amount of clickthrus.


I do not like coming here topick on Ms. Stacy; I was always eager to help out while I was a member and she was forthright to her members about website difficulties.

In the beginning, anyway. Then things changed. Example: I suggested doing searches when there were no advetisers to keep the site running; and the members active. Reply was she didn't like searches and most others didn't like them so No.

Fact is there are many things we do not like but we step up to the plate and do them for the greater good; the objective we are aiming for.

And now searches have become a mainstay for many sites that, in earlier times, never sent such emails to the membership.

Apologies for being here to cause problems and nothing else.

I was here earlier this year as a Lamb and was chastised. Now I return as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Here to the forum that I may bag me a lion or two.

I am a Timex watch, my dear, I take a beating and keep on clicking.

BTW in all seriousness, your own website had an excellant sign-up incentive; very smart. Hope you are successful. Seriously.

Bye.

Was this directed toward me?

Can't you all stop bashing Carole?

I am not bashing her. I just know the difference between fantasy and reality.