WHAT???
man, I have spent a good amount of cash advertising it and when I finally get a decent downline they close?! 
Poor gold members!!!!
Full Version: Bowling Mails
"I'm sorry the site has closed due to lack of money. My sister paid out over $2,000 of her own money, but she can't do it anymore she has to save money for her upcoming wedding."
WHAT??? man, I have spent a good amount of cash advertising it and when I finally get a decent downline they close?!
Poor gold members!!!!
WHAT???
man, I have spent a good amount of cash advertising it and when I finally get a decent downline they close?! Poor gold members!!!!
I guess we're out of money
I had a very good downline and I was almost to payout. I am outraged that they would just close with out saying anything before this.
| QUOTE (honeybee81602 @ Jan 21 2004, 12:04 PM) |
| I had a very good downline and I was almost to payout. I am outraged that they would just close with out saying anything before this. |
I know what you mean cause I was close to payout,too.I didn't have a downline did all the clicking by myself.
It would be nice if we could reply:
OK..BUT just wait for a nice lawsuit just for you baby!
OK..BUT just wait for a nice lawsuit just for you baby!
Im fedup with sites that send 5-10 cent emails and DONT pay there are the honest ones like AYS, 1cent-100dollar and few others that do but the rest will all slowly turn out to be scams it so sad that people fall into the traps!
Always watch program that offer more than 2-3 cent per email, it is not cost afective unless they have got a miracle up there sleeve!
Always watch program that offer more than 2-3 cent per email, it is not cost afective unless they have got a miracle up there sleeve!
I had bought downlines when they were being sold. I was reaching payout real quick.
I had bought a PTC that I paid for and nothing ever happened and it'd been about a month.
They site has issues with the database and 2 days later it shuts down.
WTF??? I'm sooo pived that I wanna cry. Tasia, Dream-weavers, ECF, BowlingMails... what's next??
I had bought a PTC that I paid for and nothing ever happened and it'd been about a month.
They site has issues with the database and 2 days later it shuts down.
WTF??? I'm sooo pived that I wanna cry. Tasia, Dream-weavers, ECF, BowlingMails... what's next??
all i would suggest is go for trusted owners or sites that have paid many people (theyre easy to spot because ads start to appear for them say that they have been paid)
| QUOTE (RomeoMacini @ Jan 21 2004, 12:28 PM) |
| I had bought downlines when they were being sold. I was reaching payout real quick. I had bought a PTC that I paid for and nothing ever happened and it'd been about a month. They site has issues with the database and 2 days later it shuts down. WTF??? I'm sooo pived that I wanna cry. Tasia, Dream-weavers, ECF, BowlingMails... what's next?? |
The sad part is... in the PTR business you almost have to expect sites to close down and scam people. And the one's in big trouble usually do a good job hiding it. PTR's that seem flaky stay up for a long time and others that seem solid go down hard without notice
| QUOTE (christiana25 @ Jan 22 2004, 01:16 AM) |
| It would be nice if we could reply: OK..BUT just wait for a nice lawsuit just for you baby! |
..what grounds would we have for a lawsuit?? every PTR states that they are not liable for loss of earnings... if we could sue, I think the formentioned should be sued until their great grandkids' grandchildren are in debt... man THIS F'ING STINKS!!!!
I have faith in only a few
nickelsbyemail
beezyclickin
aprilgolds
ays
pay-you333
THese are strong and stable but all my other programs Im not so sure
nickelsbyemail
beezyclickin
aprilgolds
ays
pay-you333
THese are strong and stable but all my other programs Im not so sure
Im not sure about me having faith in AYS any longer.
If I recall right, I seen some posts regarding this company from the beginning which pointed to them being questionable, such as abrupt terms changes then changing them back, payout increases then changing it back etc. Whoever ran this one had no sense of business whatsoever, thank god i didnt waste my time. But it still gets to me when people start programs like this just to end them and not even end them professionally but to say "Oh im sorry my sister is out of money so the sites closed" what a crock of poo. Sorry for all of ya that fell victim to another childs play toy. Am so sick of WM's that drive the reps of the rest of us in to the ###### hole
Another high minimum, low ref levels, high paying links, cheap advertising site gone!
GOOD
GOOD
| QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 21 2004, 02:24 PM) |
| Im fedup with sites that send 5-10 cent emails and DONT pay there are the honest ones like AYS, 1cent-100dollar and few others that do but the rest will all slowly turn out to be scams it so sad that people fall into the traps! Always watch program that offer more than 2-3 cent per email, it is not cost afective unless they have got a miracle up there sleeve! |
Yes it is sad but the same pattern is ongoing at other programs right now.
| QUOTE (RomeoMacini @ Jan 21 2004, 05:33 PM) | ||
..what grounds would we have for a lawsuit?? every PTR states that they are not liable for loss of earnings... if we could sue, I think the formentioned should be sued until their great grandkids' grandchildren are in debt... man THIS F'ING STINKS!!!! |
This is part of the problem for sites like this. If you havent reached the minimum payout they are not liable to pay you anything according to their tos, so when they walk out before the majority of members reach payout, there is nothing anyone can do. It does stink!
But, what can you do to prevent yourself being hurt again, and again, and again? When the next po starts up a site and sends tons of five cent links to all that only cost the advertiser 10% of the actual cost of the ad and the minimum payout is somewhere over $30.
In the early days of these sites they will pay people, it's no use looking in the praises folder, because so few people are reaching payout, the limited imcome is ok for now. Even if the po is a scammer they want to pay those big builders early on to encourage more and more people to join their site. The more members they have the more advertisers will flock to them and the more money in the po's pocket. Unless they change to sustainable ad rates the majority of their members will never be paid, and if it is a high payout site and you have none or few refs you might have a few months or more to find out for sure that they didnt take in enough ad revenue to be able to pay all their members.
So do you keep on joining unsustainable programs because they send out lots of links over 1 cent and take the risk that 90% of them wont be able to pay members after a six months or a year?
Or do you start only joining programs with a sustainable structure even though the majority of the links are for less than five cents but at least you have a 90%+ chance of being paid when you do reach payout?
| QUOTE (mailmoreinfo @ Jan 21 2004, 01:28 PM) |
| If I recall right, I seen some posts regarding this company from the beginning which pointed to them being questionable, such as abrupt terms changes then changing them back, payout increases then changing it back etc. Whoever ran this one had no sense of business whatsoever, thank god i didnt waste my time. But it still gets to me when people start programs like this just to end them and not even end them professionally but to say "Oh im sorry my sister is out of money so the sites closed" what a crock of poo. Sorry for all of ya that fell victim to another childs play toy. Am so sick of WM's that drive the reps of the rest of us in to the ###### hole |
| QUOTE (wagdoll @ Jan 22 2004, 05:53 AM) | ||||
This is part of the problem for sites like this. If you havent reached the minimum payout they are not liable to pay you anything according to their tos, so when they walk out before the majority of members reach payout, there is nothing anyone can do. It does stink! |
It doesn't necessarily matter what they say in their TOS about not having to pay you...just because it is in the TOS doesn't mean its legal.
Sooner or later its bound to happen -- a PTR is going to get taken to court. It may not help get anybody's money back, but maybe it will at least help lower the number of crooked and/or clueless POs who set up their programs then go bust and fail to pay members.
In this particular case, the owner of the program lives in Flagstaff, AZ...well, at least that's what the domain registration info says...according to the brother the sister has flown the coup.
Members who have lost earnings from this program should make every effort to collect...maybe try a phone call, registered letter, or if you live in the area, maybe a friendly face-to-face conversation.
This Program Owner has ripped her members off for over $30,000.00 in earnings.
Not good.
Cheers,
Wil
I still can't believe these believe webmasters from bowling mail, fairy click, mystical clicks.Here's a email I don't have any money because I spent it Thanks for your money goodbye. If they were really serioud about their sites they would go to the members and ask how to save site.A few sites have done that and it seems like they got a new and are doing good. I've lost a lot on these sites and I am going to be very skeptical about investing my money in any of them. You can only do it so many times.These webmasters knew they were having problems why weren't they honest to their members.I really have lost faith in a lot of these programs.I am disabled and confined to a wheelchair so I enjoyed do these sites and bringing in the little amount I was getting I felt like I was contributing to the household now I feel I wasted our families money.
Ive noticed when alot of people start these programs they basically buy a script, throw it online, think for all of 5 minutes how there downline and payout will work and then go launch and not giving a single thought as to how things will run in the long run. These people already have it in there minds that they are going to run. They know it from the beginning. Theres no way a person can be so shallow to create a site like that and not already know before it even launches that they have every intention of running.
So just a few words of advice. Take a long hard look at a program before signing up because if it looks good then chances are its too good to be true. Not a single site that sends high paying e-mails can afford it. I dont care what rational they attach to the there reasons, fact is I cannot even begin to point at one single advertiser anywhere that will actually pay for what a 5 cents email to all is really worth so why even offer such high paying ads? Duh!! lol. Ok that was a vent no offense intended, unless your the next runner
So just a few words of advice. Take a long hard look at a program before signing up because if it looks good then chances are its too good to be true. Not a single site that sends high paying e-mails can afford it. I dont care what rational they attach to the there reasons, fact is I cannot even begin to point at one single advertiser anywhere that will actually pay for what a 5 cents email to all is really worth so why even offer such high paying ads? Duh!! lol. Ok that was a vent no offense intended, unless your the next runner
I just took a look at the "ads" sent this month... 97% of them were either sites with the owner's ref link or the owner's serach engines... that's why he waited so long...
Does this remind anyone ELSE a heck of a lot how Dream-weavers acted when they started owing people?? Some BS excuse then goodbye. Use emails and PTCs for owner's advantage, save the few that really buy ads.
Wait until my site gets up and running. I've been wronged enough to know what to do RIGHT.
Does this remind anyone ELSE a heck of a lot how Dream-weavers acted when they started owing people?? Some BS excuse then goodbye. Use emails and PTCs for owner's advantage, save the few that really buy ads.
Wait until my site gets up and running. I've been wronged enough to know what to do RIGHT.
Well, when we are low on advertisers I do send emails with my own ref links pretty frequently. It gives members something to click while at the same time assisting in my own downline building so just because personal ref links may get used doesnt always mean the company is messing over or planning a big screw over. We will be here for a year come Feb 15th and have no intentions of shutting down 
.
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| QUOTE (freecashspace @ Jan 21 2004, 09:41 PM) |
| Sooner or later its bound to happen -- a PTR is going to get taken to court. It may not help get anybody's money back, but maybe it will at least help lower the number of crooked and/or clueless POs who set up their programs then go bust and fail to pay members. |
It can't happen too soon, this needs to be done, $30,000 is no "small-claims" court issue either.
| QUOTE (mcf @ Jan 24 2004, 05:53 AM) | ||
It can't happen too soon, this needs to be done, $30,000 is no "small-claims" court issue either. |
Absolutely right, MCF!
I can't believe there are so many people involved in PTRs who apparently don't really mind getting ripped off.
When a program disappears and fails to pay them, they just write it off as "bad luck" and move on to the next rip-off program. At most they might post in a complaint thread, but most of them do absolutely nothing.
I assume the reason they feel this way is because they believe that being involved in PTRs is like playing a game. I have read many posts that essentially said so. They join a lot of programs and hope to get paid by a few. They don't consider PTRs to be real businesses, and they have no expectation that they might be run that way.
Sad.
Personally, I've been lucky. I have only been a member of a very small number of programs that have ripped me off. But each time that I have been involved in a program where there was a problem -- twice the program and PO just disappeared and one was a "lost database" -- I have done everything I could to have the Program Owner held accountable.
Since I am in Australia and all those programs have had US-based owners, my efforts have generally consisted of writing letters --yes REAL letters on actual paper -- to any federal or state authorities that deal with fraud and other related issues. Sure it might not ever do any good. but at least I've tried...and in one case I've received a reply saying that while the person isn't going to be investigated now, at least there is a file for them with my letter stuck in it, and that if they receive more complaints they may take a closer look at this person.
At least its a start.
And I also agree, MCF, that ripping members off for $30,000 worth of earnings is no small matter. The reason I mentioned Small Claims Court is because an individual member could file a claim for their earnings, which would likely fall under the category of a small claim.
Cheers,
Wil
If the webmaster cant keep a commitment to their website they have no business getting married.
| QUOTE (RomeoMacini @ Jan 23 2004, 08:47 PM) |
| I just took a look at the "ads" sent this month... 97% of them were either sites with the owner's ref link or the owner's serach engines... that's why he waited so long... Does this remind anyone ELSE a heck of a lot how Dream-weavers acted when they started owing people?? Some BS excuse then goodbye. Use emails and PTCs for owner's advantage, save the few that really buy ads. Wait until my site gets up and running. I've been wronged enough to know what to do RIGHT. |
Sometimes It gets Slow. I do the same thing I'll come out of Pocket And Put Some Ads up on my Site with my Links on it . Which would you rather have, Site Owner Links or NO Links at all?
Paid Ads are Paid Ads
| QUOTE (hts1 @ Jan 26 2004, 02:45 PM) | ||
Sometimes It gets Slow. I do the same thing I'll come out of Pocket And Put Some Ads up on my Site with my Links on it . Which would you rather have, Site Owner Links or NO Links at all? Paid Ads are Paid Ads |
no there not if the owner isnt ready to pay the cash for them
If I remember correctly, this was one of the sites that started with a big bang, promising big value emails and it grew to thousans almost immediately. (I'm sure we can all think of others that did the big launch and later had trouble because of it!) Those are all danger signs from the beginning, but we take a chance, get refs, and stick with it in the 'hopes' it will actually work out for once...
I wasn't a member, but we all have programs where most links are referrals for the PO. That bugs me to no end! Unless the PO has a really good reputation, both at their site and here, I refuse to join that way!!
I wasn't a member, but we all have programs where most links are referrals for the PO. That bugs me to no end! Unless the PO has a really good reputation, both at their site and here, I refuse to join that way!!
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