Everything in the top of this post is copied and pasted from communication by PM's and email between myself and Rhea at Tombmailer.
posted 04-09-2002 11:31 PM
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Hey Rhea, are you around? I have a question.
I was wondering if you would do something like a paid new alert for me, or if you usually did those with your URL.
Please let me know, I'm sure you know which one. It hasn't launched yet.
Thanks!!
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tombmailer
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Member # 716 posted 04-09-2002 11:35 PM
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sure send it to me
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Kirpie
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Member # 482 posted 04-09-2002 11:42 PM
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Where do you want me to send it?
I don't think people can sign up until it launches though. That's the only problem, and I don't know when it will launch
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tombmailer
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Member # 716 posted 04-09-2002 11:44 PM
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XXXXXXXXXXXXand i will send it out when it does launch
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Kirpie
Member
Member # 482 posted 04-09-2002 11:50 PM
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Thank you Thank you Thank you!
This is my first "new alert" he he
I am usually one of the very first to sign up, but never the first to advertise.
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tombmailer
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Member # 716 posted 04-09-2002 11:57 PM
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lol
I already know that !
I was going to promote it hehehehe great minds think alike LOL!
ok I will mix yours in with mine
will make it a mystery site
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Tombmailer Admin
Rhea Buda
----- Original Message -----
From: <KP1175@aol.com>
To: <budamanXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 7:47 PM
Subject: ad
> New Program from the owner of MEC-CO-OP Paidmail
> 6 Referral levels
> Low cash out $10
>
> http://www.CopperCoins.net/cgi-bin/signup....=kp1175@aol.com
>
> Well, I got so excited I just realized something...
> Do you want some money for this??? he he he
> Let me know what and where :smile:
> DUH
ROFL well I could use the money LOL! trying to make my house payment since I
cant work for 2 weeks hehehehe I can run the ad like mine first and then
when I send a second one yours will be in there that way we get the same
referrals and I'll run it like back to back with like a 5 min breather LOL!
Tombmailer Admin
Rhea Buda
> I am a little confused, so you will run 2 ads to all members, or mine to
half and yours to half. How will it work?
> I have another ad to run also. Can I use my earnings for some of this? My
big $5.75! Of which I am very happy to have!
hahah lol! sure :smile:
no to all members mine and yours or I can do half and half
Tombmailer Admin
Rhea Buda
How much do I owe ya? And what is your paypal? Not sure how you want to
work all this, let me know. I am about to leave for about an hour. So ya
don't think I have ran off :smile:
>
hahahahah lol! that's fine you can send it to advertising@tombmailer.com
:smile:
Tombmailer Admin
Rhea Buda
posted 04-10-2002 03:38 AM
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Did you run that ad for Copper Coins? The site is up and taking sign ups and I still have 0 referrals. I am seeing alerts everywhere! Please let me know. Thanks
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tombmailer
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Member # 716 posted 04-10-2002 03:44 AM
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yes i ran the ad but i don''t know anything about there referrals you would have to talk to them
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Kirpie
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Member # 482 posted 04-10-2002 03:52 AM
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Have you gotten any referrals yet?
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I'm sending your out now please be patient :smile:
Tombmailer Admin
Rhea Buda
I sent this to her also with this at the top:
I have copied and pasted our conversations incase you don't remember. I am sending this because I really feel like you have let me down. Here is why:
1. You didn't send my link, only yours.
2. You used my ad to promote your URL.
3. When you finally sent MY ad with MY URL it was rediculously late giving me no chance at all for referrals.
Please explain why you didn't simply tell me no that you wanted to promote yours only.
This is her reply copied and pasted exactly:
fine whatever
Tombmailer Admin
Rhea Buda
My ad was sent out at 11:00 pm central. 4 hours later than hers.
Her ad was sent before the launch, mine after.
After the launch and after everyone else's alerts.
Not only was her URL in the first alert alone, but she used MY ad.
The ad that I typed for the alert! To promote her URL!
Notice how I asked over and over about payment and got no direct answer.
I paid for my other ad. Thankfully I didn't pay for this mess.
My last question has never been answered and that is ok, it may be considered personal.
I am sure that I am being ignored, and hope her consience got the best of her.
When my URL was finally ran I got 2 referrals. WOOHOO Lucky Me! I could have had so many considering I was one of the very first people to sign up for this site.
I could have gone to another site and had tons of referrals.
WHY ME?
And all I get is "Fine Whatever"
[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Kirpie ]
Full Version: Looks like I got screwed out of referrals
Rhea you must have known that nobody would sign under her if you already sent out a NPA, you should of at least warned her and asked for another link to a different program to promote...not everybody is as experienced as some of us. Jason once told me there was a person @ EmailEarners that tried to redeem for a link promoting his EmailEarners referral URL, obviously this would be pointless as it would be sent out to people already in EE.
and thats as much as I am going to get into this...until the morning. hmm.
TJ
and thats as much as I am going to get into this...until the morning. hmm.
TJ
The only ads I have with you is the one with Copper Coins, the one I paid for, and the one that came with my Gold. I don't understand where you get a .02. Maybe I have missed it. It is possible.
This is what is in my members area:
Ad Name: Clicks Received:
kp117 2968 Gold
ccoins 234 Copper Coins
join 23 Paid ad
If she told you not to advertise until tomorrow, then why did you tell me you would send my NPA as soon as it launched which was tonight?
I am upset because you didn't tell me several things.
I am a very freindly, easy going person, but this really depresses me. I feel like you changed your mind and became a little greedy.
This is what is in my members area:
Ad Name: Clicks Received:
kp117 2968 Gold
ccoins 234 Copper Coins
join 23 Paid ad
If she told you not to advertise until tomorrow, then why did you tell me you would send my NPA as soon as it launched which was tonight?
I am upset because you didn't tell me several things.
I am a very freindly, easy going person, but this really depresses me. I feel like you changed your mind and became a little greedy.
I removed your email addresses.
I do respect privacy. And I WILL apologize for that. Sorry.
I am not going to talk dirty with you because that would go on all night and more than likely tomorrow and the next day....
I want you to understand what you did was WRONG.
I do respect privacy. And I WILL apologize for that. Sorry.
I am not going to talk dirty with you because that would go on all night and more than likely tomorrow and the next day....
I want you to understand what you did was WRONG.
I now have 6 referrals after 239 clicks.
What about you??? And be honest.
What about you??? And be honest.
I am going to butt in here and say something. I think Rhea is too upset to explain clearly. She did promote your link in her emails. I think we get excited about these things and jump the gun. I have done something similar, totally accidentally in my excitement over getting paid for a program. Although the member hadn't paid me for an ad, it was much the same - I had promised to promote a link, but FORGOT. The next DAY, even, and ran my link for cashPO when I got paid a whole 32 cents..
Well, I almost lost a member over that, and it wounded my integrity. I was defensive at first, particularly since she didn't believe me at first that it was NOT on purpose. We worked it out eventually.
I am by NO means perfect, but I think I try very hard to be pretty honest. Over time, my character will speak for itself. I think, if you look at the whole of things, that Rhea's character speaks for itself too. In a positive direction.
The real culprit here is the webmaster who told her friends, evidently ALL of them, that she was starting a program and was giving them all links to give them the jump on the competition, but didn't tell them all about the others.
I like Carole, too. She is very nice to me. She's a member of PocketJingle, too. I don't know the bottom of the story at all.
But I see two people - more, actually - getting hurt and a huge ruckus being made over something that had it been thought out properly, could have been avoided completely. I don't like to see two friends of mine hurt, disappointed and angry. I don't like to see a member lose faith in a good person over a mistake, a misunderstanding.
Webmasters, we have the downline builder. Even there, *I* jumped the gun because I mistakenly thought the site was up when I got my welcome email - greedy me! Do we need those alerts? Is anyone getting rich enough off this stuff that it is worth all this fuss?
We have to have professional ethics, imposed on ourselves BY ourselves. Self-control, once lost is hard to regain, self-respect, once lost is nearly impossible.
Well, I almost lost a member over that, and it wounded my integrity. I was defensive at first, particularly since she didn't believe me at first that it was NOT on purpose. We worked it out eventually.
I am by NO means perfect, but I think I try very hard to be pretty honest. Over time, my character will speak for itself. I think, if you look at the whole of things, that Rhea's character speaks for itself too. In a positive direction.
The real culprit here is the webmaster who told her friends, evidently ALL of them, that she was starting a program and was giving them all links to give them the jump on the competition, but didn't tell them all about the others.
I like Carole, too. She is very nice to me. She's a member of PocketJingle, too. I don't know the bottom of the story at all.
But I see two people - more, actually - getting hurt and a huge ruckus being made over something that had it been thought out properly, could have been avoided completely. I don't like to see two friends of mine hurt, disappointed and angry. I don't like to see a member lose faith in a good person over a mistake, a misunderstanding.
Webmasters, we have the downline builder. Even there, *I* jumped the gun because I mistakenly thought the site was up when I got my welcome email - greedy me! Do we need those alerts? Is anyone getting rich enough off this stuff that it is worth all this fuss?
We have to have professional ethics, imposed on ourselves BY ourselves. Self-control, once lost is hard to regain, self-respect, once lost is nearly impossible.
Rhea,
I do think that your offering the paid to sign up link helps to mitigate the damage that was done, because it appears that he is getting signups, the ratio of clicks to signups is pretty good really,which was more than I got when it happened to me
Unfortunetly, You now know Why, I don't pay for NPA(new program alerts) to paid e-mail companies.
The last time I purchased a new program alert to a paid company, sent well before anyone else's, I had an early alert on it before it was announced to CAC webmasters. My link was promoted 3 hours after the webmasters. I got 5 signups from it.
He got over 100.
I have not paid for an ad with that particular webmaster ever since.
Nor have I ever paid for a NPA (New Program Alert) ad again.
How can a person Paying for an AD, compete with the webmasters who can just put their own paid links in anytime.
Yes, they eventually have to pay for it, but with the huge downlines they build in a program, it usually pays for itself.
The average person, even with a heads up on the program doesn't stand a chance.
I do think that your offering the paid to sign up link helps to mitigate the damage that was done, because it appears that he is getting signups, the ratio of clicks to signups is pretty good really,which was more than I got when it happened to me
Unfortunetly, You now know Why, I don't pay for NPA(new program alerts) to paid e-mail companies.
The last time I purchased a new program alert to a paid company, sent well before anyone else's, I had an early alert on it before it was announced to CAC webmasters. My link was promoted 3 hours after the webmasters. I got 5 signups from it.
He got over 100.
I have not paid for an ad with that particular webmaster ever since.
Nor have I ever paid for a NPA (New Program Alert) ad again.
How can a person Paying for an AD, compete with the webmasters who can just put their own paid links in anytime.
Yes, they eventually have to pay for it, but with the huge downlines they build in a program, it usually pays for itself.
The average person, even with a heads up on the program doesn't stand a chance.
"and i took my promotional link off just to please you. Your link is now 0 and not .02 so i dont want to hear anymore complaints. She was was just trying to help me and i will stick up for her for anyone who trashes her."
"She's one of my friends that i do business with and will keep doing business with."
WHO TRASHED HER???
I didn't ever even speak of her. You are going way off course here.
The point here is:
You told me one thing and did another. It has nothing to do with Carole, never has.
If you begged her to be the first to promote her new site don't you think you should have told me????????
Good grief!
I would have never asked you if I would have known all that!
"The only thing where my ethics were wrong was using your words "i'm sorry , i won't do that again" didn't know that would be a problem "
NO it wasn't the only bad ethical decision you made.
"no you wont get referrals fast you have to least wait a day it's only been an hour and some have not seen the links yet"
Its been over three hours.
Man I get so irritated when I come back over here and I see all this nonsense that has nothing to do with the origional problem. Don't tell me you don't want to hear anymore complaining. I have a right to complain!!
Once again I will ask-Why didn't you tell me any of these important details?
From my point of view I saw a webmaster who said "Sure I'll do it" and didn't. Among other things.
I don't want you to unsubscribe.
What I want is an answer or an apology. Simple as that. Not some off the subject ###### about trashing some other webmaster.
Answer or apology.
[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Kirpie ]
"She's one of my friends that i do business with and will keep doing business with."
WHO TRASHED HER???
I didn't ever even speak of her. You are going way off course here.
The point here is:
You told me one thing and did another. It has nothing to do with Carole, never has.
If you begged her to be the first to promote her new site don't you think you should have told me????????
Good grief!
I would have never asked you if I would have known all that!
"The only thing where my ethics were wrong was using your words "i'm sorry , i won't do that again" didn't know that would be a problem "
NO it wasn't the only bad ethical decision you made.
"no you wont get referrals fast you have to least wait a day it's only been an hour and some have not seen the links yet"
Its been over three hours.
Man I get so irritated when I come back over here and I see all this nonsense that has nothing to do with the origional problem. Don't tell me you don't want to hear anymore complaining. I have a right to complain!!
Once again I will ask-Why didn't you tell me any of these important details?
From my point of view I saw a webmaster who said "Sure I'll do it" and didn't. Among other things.
I don't want you to unsubscribe.
What I want is an answer or an apology. Simple as that. Not some off the subject ###### about trashing some other webmaster.
Answer or apology.
[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Kirpie ]
I don't want to deal with this anymore!
The more nonsense you post the more I post and the madder I get. This is VERY unlike me!!
BTW I am a SHE not a HE.
The more nonsense you post the more I post and the madder I get. This is VERY unlike me!!
BTW I am a SHE not a HE.
Well, we don't exactly have to talk JUST about what happened with you and Rhea. I brought up other factors. I am NOT trashing Carole, I am simply bringing up the fact that the whole thing could have been avoided had she not been promoting it behind the scenes like that.
WHERE????
ALL of our communication is in my first post.
ALL of it. Nowhere is there anything about you knowing.
ALL of our communication is in my first post.
ALL of it. Nowhere is there anything about you knowing.
OK, now this isn't information, this is arguing. PM Rhea.
And if you don't want people to make posts on the thread you start, close it.
(OK, POINT TAKEN, SORRY!) EDITED
But then it wouldn't be a forum, would it.
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And if you don't want people to make posts on the thread you start, close it.
(OK, POINT TAKEN, SORRY!) EDITED
But then it wouldn't be a forum, would it.
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and as far as money goes I asked you several times how much you wanted and you never answered.
Just like when I asked you why I didn't have any referrals and you said "yes i ran the ad but i don''t know anything about there referrals you would have to talk to them "
Total ######.
Just like when I asked you why I didn't have any referrals and you said "yes i ran the ad but i don''t know anything about there referrals you would have to talk to them "
Total ######.
Brenda I never said I didn't want people to post.
I'm confused about where you got that.
I REALLY don't want to argue anymore. I know it is rediculous. I'm glad you are here. Now I'm going to bed.
I'm confused about where you got that.
I REALLY don't want to argue anymore. I know it is rediculous. I'm glad you are here. Now I'm going to bed.
And another thing, Kirpie, she's right about referral speed. It takes at least 2 days for a large part of the membership to get to their mail. That wasn't an ethical decision on her part, it was an explanation.
Yes, I KNOW You Are a SHE.
PARDON ME FOR THE TYPO.
MISS PERFECT TYPIST.
I also reverse letters, most errors I catch but not all while posting in Forums.
At least YOU got a Webmaster who is Trying to Make Amends to YOU, even If YOU Can't See that.
It was a H#$% of a Lot More than I ever got when it was done to me.
You already have more referrals for this program than what I got from My ad that was superseeded by a webmasters a while back.
PARDON ME FOR THE TYPO.
MISS PERFECT TYPIST.
I also reverse letters, most errors I catch but not all while posting in Forums.
At least YOU got a Webmaster who is Trying to Make Amends to YOU, even If YOU Can't See that.
It was a H#$% of a Lot More than I ever got when it was done to me.
You already have more referrals for this program than what I got from My ad that was superseeded by a webmasters a while back.
*Apology
*Answer to your questions
*k117
*kp
*ccoins
*join
do not work
*yes all my messages are deleted to make the point of her point she wanted the questions answered and she wanted an apology
***Kirpie**
I am sorry that you feel like you have lost out but please also view it from my perspective also especially the post wise.
to me it felt like you were not reading the post that I made to your questions, you told everybody that I didn't want to answer you and when I did it felt to me like you were attacking me from the original post that you made , so I highlighted it.everything you discussed it took me about almost a half hour to hour to answer all your questions , disregarding any emails coming in and sticking to this subject. And I gave you an answer..I am on very few GPTR I'm not really into all these GPTR programs you seem to be a little more seriously involved than me. (and I was wrong not to see it from you side of view) I've never been paid from any GPTR program to me this is not a big deal but it is too you , it felt like nothing I did even made up for it because you thought I was trying to reconstruct my image , that was not the case it was not what I had in mind in the first place , I figured if I made your solo ad .02 that they would be more apt in joining under you. Along with switching my main link to your email address so you would get some first visitors and doing another Ad for you. (while all this was going on Coppercoins is going up and down so yes it's hard to get any referral links in) I'm sorry I lost a member over this. To me it wasn't worth it , I just told you how I felt and how I handled the situation and the reason I got more angry was because it felt like you were not listening to one word I said. Which does annoy me and puts me on an attack mode if you read page 2 I nicely put all your questions in order but it just seems you skip to 3 and you didn't even read my answers. because you reposted the original post, I took that as not even listening to me at all.
here is my apology
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just for the recorded kirpie was refunded for her gold membership and the solo ad placed
Amount: 10.00
Transaction ID: 6VR83820UE096742H
Subject: gold refund
Amount: 15.00
Transaction ID: 9JY37500A91522216
Subject: refund
A refund was never asked
all ads have been taken down
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[quote=Kirpie,...]Her ad was sent before the launch, mine after.
LOL!
I already know that !
I was going to promote it hehehehe great minds think alike LOL!
ok I will mix yours in with mine
will make it a mystery site
ROFL well I could use the money LOL! trying to make my house payment since I
cant work for 2 weeks hehehehe I can run the ad like mine first and then
when I send a second one yours will be in there that way we get the same
referrals and I'll run it like back to back with like a 5 min breather LOL! ok so it was 4 hr breather but i did what i said and Right here you knew i was going to promote it first!
i will send it out when it does launch at that time she wasn't officially launched, and than emailed me and told me that to nevermind about to tomorrow that she was launching it right now. that's why you saw the notes in the section of both mine and you r ad where it said to save the url for tomorrow and sign up, most likely some will do that, right there that is what hurt us on the promotion, If I knew sooner before i sent the ads there may have been a greater response. she gave me the ok yes at the time of that they were working on the referral section that's y brenda had the problem as well
1. You didn't send my link, only yours. I did send your link more 2x than myself
2. You used my ad to promote your URL. already told you sorry
3. My ad was sent out at 11:00 pm central. 4 hours later than hers. When you finally sent MY ad with MY URL it was rediculously late giving me no chance at all for referrals. sorry but at that time i was in the process of writing the next ad was when i was swapped with ads that had to go out, your not the only one on the list , you can ask brenda , i told her i was swampped with ads trying to get them out as fast as i could
Please explain why you didn't simply tell me no that you wanted to promote yours only. because, i wanted promoted yours as well to help you get referrals too , just because right now you don't see that many in your account doesn't mean you won't get alot of referrals, I sent 2 ads for you one of which that i did make 2 cents for you at no extra charge. but because your jumpping down my neck because i'm so unfair , yes i put the ad 0 cents because you didn't even appreciate that. so y should i spend more money.
This is her reply copied and pasted exactly:
fine whatever * Yes i was too heated about the situation and didn't want to say something that i would probably regret so no i didn't feel like replying to you. and didn't post the next message i sent to you , so if you want to be fair lets be fair here
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: Please answer
> just remember who gave you a .02 solo ad
Notice how I asked over and over about payment and got no direct answer. because i'm flexiable i won't make you pay outrageous price and for $15 you did get a good deal even thou you don't want to stick up to that one.
ad for My Passive Income has been sent out
My last question has never been answered and that is ok, it may be considered personal.
I am sure that I am being ignored, and hope her consience got the best of her. And all I get is "Fine Whatever"
*No because i didn't want to say something stupid and taking 2 percecets i don't really feel like an arguement or heated discussion, I'm very hot headed and most likely i will admit that i will say something very mean. SO i didn't feel like doing that
When my URL was finally ran I got 2 referrals. WOOHOO Lucky Me! yeah just wait than what will you say than! it won't be apoplogy i can gaurentee that.
I could have had so many considering I was one of the very first people to sign up for this site.
* I beg to differ with you on this one because when you told me i already had my url ready to promote so you were not the first i was told at
7:19 PM i was given the temp sign up page
WHY ME? you make it sound like i pushed you off a cliff,
***FYI i am also mixing your email address within mine so you also get the referrals from which is like 3 ads in 1 so you did get a pretty fair situation with me...and I did it with one member where he received half with 143lovemail and I received half.
[quote]Originally posted by lgwong:
I have read this thread for a few times and still could not get a full picture of what have happened. :confused: What I can gather is
[qb]1. Kirpie buy/redeem a paid email ad for coppercoin from Tombmailer. Kirpie for the record still has the redemption - I never asked for it, I told her she could do it that way but she choose paypal and I was satisfied with the amount of $15
2. Rhea has told Kirpie that she is also going to send out a paid email ad for promoting coppercoin for herself as well.
yep kirpie paid $15 and that does not cover all members it cost $32 but i didn't ask for $32 and I fine with $15 and said i would send it to all members which i did do, I told her mine would go out first and hers would be in the next email which for a fact was in thenext email
3. But it turns out that Rhea' ad went out 4 hour earlier than Kirpie.
at that time i was getting hit with gold members , solo ads, paid emails Kirpie has to remember that she not the only one on the list, I did what i promised it was in the next ad +plus sent out a solo ad which is now .01
4. Now Kirpie thinks that Rhea has stolen some of her referrals. correct but if she read the email instead of posting i made a point that mine would go first and hers would go second
5. But Rhea want to compensate Kirpie by giving her another free 2 cent paid email ad to all? :confused: me too it's now 1 cent
Have I get all the things correct? If Rhea already give Kirpie a free paid email ad for compensation, why should she be still unhappy? :confused: cause everything has to be about ethics here ughhhh :tongue: I think i was more than fair and she doesn't seem to bring that point up
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As for Copper coins the site is just up and down there trying to fix it right now. it's being a light switch going on and off so please be patient
After reviewing everything that was said between me and kirpie i feel that i did nothing wrong i told her what i was going to do that it would be in the next email which it was. so i did deliver what i said; no it wasn't with 5 minutes and it wasn't to get a head start. But when you have support questions, emails that paid for that have to be entered , gold memberships that have to entered, banner advertising that has to be entered this is y it took 4 hrs
also i want to add that most webmaster won't even take the time to do something like that for there member, so if you still feel that you got jipped, robbed , stolen so be it , but which you didn't
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*Answer to your questions
*k117
*kp
*ccoins
*join
do not work
*yes all my messages are deleted to make the point of her point she wanted the questions answered and she wanted an apology
***Kirpie**
I am sorry that you feel like you have lost out but please also view it from my perspective also especially the post wise.
to me it felt like you were not reading the post that I made to your questions, you told everybody that I didn't want to answer you and when I did it felt to me like you were attacking me from the original post that you made , so I highlighted it.everything you discussed it took me about almost a half hour to hour to answer all your questions , disregarding any emails coming in and sticking to this subject. And I gave you an answer..I am on very few GPTR I'm not really into all these GPTR programs you seem to be a little more seriously involved than me. (and I was wrong not to see it from you side of view) I've never been paid from any GPTR program to me this is not a big deal but it is too you , it felt like nothing I did even made up for it because you thought I was trying to reconstruct my image , that was not the case it was not what I had in mind in the first place , I figured if I made your solo ad .02 that they would be more apt in joining under you. Along with switching my main link to your email address so you would get some first visitors and doing another Ad for you. (while all this was going on Coppercoins is going up and down so yes it's hard to get any referral links in) I'm sorry I lost a member over this. To me it wasn't worth it , I just told you how I felt and how I handled the situation and the reason I got more angry was because it felt like you were not listening to one word I said. Which does annoy me and puts me on an attack mode if you read page 2 I nicely put all your questions in order but it just seems you skip to 3 and you didn't even read my answers. because you reposted the original post, I took that as not even listening to me at all.
here is my apology
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just for the recorded kirpie was refunded for her gold membership and the solo ad placed
Amount: 10.00
Transaction ID: 6VR83820UE096742H
Subject: gold refund
Amount: 15.00
Transaction ID: 9JY37500A91522216
Subject: refund
A refund was never asked
all ads have been taken down
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[quote=Kirpie,...]Her ad was sent before the launch, mine after.
LOL!
I already know that !
I was going to promote it hehehehe great minds think alike LOL!
ok I will mix yours in with mine
will make it a mystery site
ROFL well I could use the money LOL! trying to make my house payment since I
cant work for 2 weeks hehehehe I can run the ad like mine first and then
when I send a second one yours will be in there that way we get the same
referrals and I'll run it like back to back with like a 5 min breather LOL! ok so it was 4 hr breather but i did what i said and Right here you knew i was going to promote it first!
i will send it out when it does launch at that time she wasn't officially launched, and than emailed me and told me that to nevermind about to tomorrow that she was launching it right now. that's why you saw the notes in the section of both mine and you r ad where it said to save the url for tomorrow and sign up, most likely some will do that, right there that is what hurt us on the promotion, If I knew sooner before i sent the ads there may have been a greater response. she gave me the ok yes at the time of that they were working on the referral section that's y brenda had the problem as well
1. You didn't send my link, only yours. I did send your link more 2x than myself
2. You used my ad to promote your URL. already told you sorry
3. My ad was sent out at 11:00 pm central. 4 hours later than hers. When you finally sent MY ad with MY URL it was rediculously late giving me no chance at all for referrals. sorry but at that time i was in the process of writing the next ad was when i was swapped with ads that had to go out, your not the only one on the list , you can ask brenda , i told her i was swampped with ads trying to get them out as fast as i could
Please explain why you didn't simply tell me no that you wanted to promote yours only. because, i wanted promoted yours as well to help you get referrals too , just because right now you don't see that many in your account doesn't mean you won't get alot of referrals, I sent 2 ads for you one of which that i did make 2 cents for you at no extra charge. but because your jumpping down my neck because i'm so unfair , yes i put the ad 0 cents because you didn't even appreciate that. so y should i spend more money.
This is her reply copied and pasted exactly:
fine whatever * Yes i was too heated about the situation and didn't want to say something that i would probably regret so no i didn't feel like replying to you. and didn't post the next message i sent to you , so if you want to be fair lets be fair here
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: Please answer
> just remember who gave you a .02 solo ad
Notice how I asked over and over about payment and got no direct answer. because i'm flexiable i won't make you pay outrageous price and for $15 you did get a good deal even thou you don't want to stick up to that one.
ad for My Passive Income has been sent out
My last question has never been answered and that is ok, it may be considered personal.
I am sure that I am being ignored, and hope her consience got the best of her. And all I get is "Fine Whatever"
*No because i didn't want to say something stupid and taking 2 percecets i don't really feel like an arguement or heated discussion, I'm very hot headed and most likely i will admit that i will say something very mean. SO i didn't feel like doing that
When my URL was finally ran I got 2 referrals. WOOHOO Lucky Me! yeah just wait than what will you say than! it won't be apoplogy i can gaurentee that.
I could have had so many considering I was one of the very first people to sign up for this site.
* I beg to differ with you on this one because when you told me i already had my url ready to promote so you were not the first i was told at
7:19 PM i was given the temp sign up page
WHY ME? you make it sound like i pushed you off a cliff,
***FYI i am also mixing your email address within mine so you also get the referrals from which is like 3 ads in 1 so you did get a pretty fair situation with me...and I did it with one member where he received half with 143lovemail and I received half.
[quote]Originally posted by lgwong:
I have read this thread for a few times and still could not get a full picture of what have happened. :confused: What I can gather is
[qb]1. Kirpie buy/redeem a paid email ad for coppercoin from Tombmailer. Kirpie for the record still has the redemption - I never asked for it, I told her she could do it that way but she choose paypal and I was satisfied with the amount of $15
2. Rhea has told Kirpie that she is also going to send out a paid email ad for promoting coppercoin for herself as well.
yep kirpie paid $15 and that does not cover all members it cost $32 but i didn't ask for $32 and I fine with $15 and said i would send it to all members which i did do, I told her mine would go out first and hers would be in the next email which for a fact was in thenext email
3. But it turns out that Rhea' ad went out 4 hour earlier than Kirpie.
at that time i was getting hit with gold members , solo ads, paid emails Kirpie has to remember that she not the only one on the list, I did what i promised it was in the next ad +plus sent out a solo ad which is now .01
4. Now Kirpie thinks that Rhea has stolen some of her referrals. correct but if she read the email instead of posting i made a point that mine would go first and hers would go second
5. But Rhea want to compensate Kirpie by giving her another free 2 cent paid email ad to all? :confused: me too it's now 1 cent
Have I get all the things correct? If Rhea already give Kirpie a free paid email ad for compensation, why should she be still unhappy? :confused: cause everything has to be about ethics here ughhhh :tongue: I think i was more than fair and she doesn't seem to bring that point up
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As for Copper coins the site is just up and down there trying to fix it right now. it's being a light switch going on and off so please be patient
After reviewing everything that was said between me and kirpie i feel that i did nothing wrong i told her what i was going to do that it would be in the next email which it was. so i did deliver what i said; no it wasn't with 5 minutes and it wasn't to get a head start. But when you have support questions, emails that paid for that have to be entered , gold memberships that have to entered, banner advertising that has to be entered this is y it took 4 hrs
also i want to add that most webmaster won't even take the time to do something like that for there member, so if you still feel that you got jipped, robbed , stolen so be it , but which you didn't
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You told her that your link would go before hers so she knew??
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i didn't say you trashed her, that wasn't about you. ughhhhand i gave you a heads up that i knew about the progam and that my link would go before yours so you knew.
I redeemed some of my ad points at two programs but I don't think they sent them out. The idea was to get non-webmasters some referrals. I mean that is what the Mec-co-op lady said.
Anyway, I am not mad but it is frustrating. I was hoping this would be my first time with a average size amount of referrals.
I know this is dumb but when I cash out for the first time with these programs it will be cool because I know it is all my own clicks. I cashed out 16 cents at Zaradite Novac and they deducted 16 cents from that. I know it was not paypal taking away that money. Web-earners sends me my monthly pay and they don't make a chomp.
Melinda =^..^=
Anyway, I am not mad but it is frustrating. I was hoping this would be my first time with a average size amount of referrals.
I know this is dumb but when I cash out for the first time with these programs it will be cool because I know it is all my own clicks. I cashed out 16 cents at Zaradite Novac and they deducted 16 cents from that. I know it was not paypal taking away that money. Web-earners sends me my monthly pay and they don't make a chomp.
Melinda =^..^=
I redeemed at the adpoint and cashcauldron. I might be in the que or something. I messed up and did not email them before I submitted the ad form. It is no big deal.
I think it might be better for non-webmasters to promote steady, established companies instead of the new ones. It is hard to get noticed in the sea of new program announcement things.
Anyway, if my points at adpoint and cashcauldron were wasted that is okay. I promoted my dumb site about my cat with the old cash4hits bonus and I doubt anyone read it. LOL My Tripod bandwidth blew up! I don't think I will be doing that again. :smile:
Melinda =^..^=
I think it might be better for non-webmasters to promote steady, established companies instead of the new ones. It is hard to get noticed in the sea of new program announcement things.
Anyway, if my points at adpoint and cashcauldron were wasted that is okay. I promoted my dumb site about my cat with the old cash4hits bonus and I doubt anyone read it. LOL My Tripod bandwidth blew up! I don't think I will be doing that again. :smile:
Melinda =^..^=
I don't know if this will help or not but coppercoins site is down could be a reason you are not getting many referrals. Just a thought hope I dont upset anyone. :smile:
Tombmailer could you also let the webmaster know that this person is hacking Clickity Cash and who knows what other sites and entering his url to gain referral? ppprk1@kornet.net this is the ending of his url. Didn't think I could put the whole url here for copper coins. He took over 1000 of my page views that I had saved for other things. Thanks! Can't believe someone would want to cheat!!
I have read this thread for a few times and still could not get a full picture of what have happened. :confused: What I can gather is
1. Kirpie buy/redeem a paid email ad for coppercoin from Tombmailer.
2. Rhea has told Kirpie that she is also going to send out a paid email ad for promoting coppercoin for herself as well.
3. But it turns out that Rhea' ad went out 4 hour earlier than Kirpie.
4. Now Kirpie thinks that Rhea has stolen some of her referrals.
5. But Rhea want to compensate Kirpie by giving her another free 2 cent paid email ad to all? :confused:
Have I get all the things correct? If Rhea already give Kirpie a free paid email ad for compensation, why should she be still unhappy? :confused:
1. Kirpie buy/redeem a paid email ad for coppercoin from Tombmailer.
2. Rhea has told Kirpie that she is also going to send out a paid email ad for promoting coppercoin for herself as well.
3. But it turns out that Rhea' ad went out 4 hour earlier than Kirpie.
4. Now Kirpie thinks that Rhea has stolen some of her referrals.
5. But Rhea want to compensate Kirpie by giving her another free 2 cent paid email ad to all? :confused:
Have I get all the things correct? If Rhea already give Kirpie a free paid email ad for compensation, why should she be still unhappy? :confused:
Once again:
This is what happened in the beginning. It seems more amd more things are getting farther and farther from the truth which is ALL in the first post. And the $15 is for a TOTALLY different ad!!!
The special was $15 to all members. That ad has nothing to do with this one!!
Everything in the top of this post is copied and pasted from communication by PM's and email between myself and Rhea at Tombmailer.
posted 04-09-2002 11:31 PM
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Hey Rhea, are you around? I have a question.
I was wondering if you would do something like a paid new alert for me, or if you usually did those with your URL.
Please let me know, I'm sure you know which one. It hasn't launched yet.
Thanks!!
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tombmailer
Moderator
Member # 716 posted 04-09-2002 11:35 PM
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sure send it to me
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Kirpie
Member
Member # 482 posted 04-09-2002 11:42 PM
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Where do you want me to send it?
I don't think people can sign up until it launches though. That's the only problem, and I don't know when it will launch
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tombmailer
Moderator
Member # 716 posted 04-09-2002 11:44 PM
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XXXXXXXXXXXXand i will send it out when it does launch
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Kirpie
Member
Member # 482 posted 04-09-2002 11:50 PM
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Thank you Thank you Thank you!
This is my first "new alert" he he
I am usually one of the very first to sign up, but never the first to advertise.
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tombmailer
Moderator
Member # 716 posted 04-09-2002 11:57 PM
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lol
I already know that !
I was going to promote it hehehehe great minds think alike LOL!
ok I will mix yours in with mine
will make it a mystery site
This is what happened in the beginning. It seems more amd more things are getting farther and farther from the truth which is ALL in the first post. And the $15 is for a TOTALLY different ad!!!
The special was $15 to all members. That ad has nothing to do with this one!!
Everything in the top of this post is copied and pasted from communication by PM's and email between myself and Rhea at Tombmailer.
posted 04-09-2002 11:31 PM
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Hey Rhea, are you around? I have a question.
I was wondering if you would do something like a paid new alert for me, or if you usually did those with your URL.
Please let me know, I'm sure you know which one. It hasn't launched yet.
Thanks!!
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Posts: 6 | From: Texas | Registered: Feb 2002
tombmailer
Moderator
Member # 716 posted 04-09-2002 11:35 PM
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sure send it to me
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Posts: 179 | From: | Registered: Mar 2002
Kirpie
Member
Member # 482 posted 04-09-2002 11:42 PM
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Where do you want me to send it?
I don't think people can sign up until it launches though. That's the only problem, and I don't know when it will launch
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Posts: 6 | From: Texas | Registered: Feb 2002
tombmailer
Moderator
Member # 716 posted 04-09-2002 11:44 PM
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XXXXXXXXXXXXand i will send it out when it does launch
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Posts: 179 | From: | Registered: Mar 2002
Kirpie
Member
Member # 482 posted 04-09-2002 11:50 PM
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Thank you Thank you Thank you!
This is my first "new alert" he he
I am usually one of the very first to sign up, but never the first to advertise.
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Posts: 6 | From: Texas | Registered: Feb 2002
tombmailer
Moderator
Member # 716 posted 04-09-2002 11:57 PM
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lol
I already know that !
I was going to promote it hehehehe great minds think alike LOL!
ok I will mix yours in with mine
will make it a mystery site
People please remember:
She did not run my ad until I questioned her.
She did not do any of this until this thread was going.
She did not run my ad until I questioned her.
She did not do any of this until this thread was going.
Please re read your post. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Once AGAIN, I asked you over and over how much you wanted for the copper coins and you didn't answer me. Of course I will not pay for more ads that you are running to better your situation.
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Once AGAIN, I asked you over and over how much you wanted for the copper coins and you didn't answer me. Of course I will not pay for more ads that you are running to better your situation.
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YOU WHAT??????
YOU DON'T SEE MY GRIPE???
YOU LIED!!!
THAT'S MY GRIPE!!
Remember who got screwed here.
YOU DON'T SEE MY GRIPE???
YOU LIED!!!
THAT'S MY GRIPE!!
Remember who got screwed here.
OK, enough is enough.
First of all I would like to apologize to anyone who has suffered through this thread.
It has become nothing but nonsense.
I think we have all learned valuable lessons here. Especially about trust and ethics.
I will not argue anymore and I will admit that I am embarrassed that I let things go this far. I should have walked away sooner instead of participating in the arguing. I have realized that it isn't worth it.
Rhea-please keep my Gold money, my ad money, and my earnings for whatever compensation you feel you may need.
I loved Tombmailer at one time and promoted it heavily. This will all be considered a loss for me. I will unsubscribe.
[ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: Kirpie ]
First of all I would like to apologize to anyone who has suffered through this thread.
It has become nothing but nonsense.
I think we have all learned valuable lessons here. Especially about trust and ethics.
I will not argue anymore and I will admit that I am embarrassed that I let things go this far. I should have walked away sooner instead of participating in the arguing. I have realized that it isn't worth it.
Rhea-please keep my Gold money, my ad money, and my earnings for whatever compensation you feel you may need.
I loved Tombmailer at one time and promoted it heavily. This will all be considered a loss for me. I will unsubscribe.
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You can't see it, but I'm trying to break the tension by doing a little dance! :smile:
I'll do it with you!! With my cat on top of my head!
Someone mentioned cats, therefore I must join this thread again. :smile:
Click to see me with my cat on top of my head!
My cat on top of my head and a fashion doll in my nose!
Melinda =^..^=
Click to see me with my cat on top of my head!
My cat on top of my head and a fashion doll in my nose!
Melinda =^..^=
LOL I needed that! :biggrin: Great site. sry didn't leave donation :frown:
I really don't expect people to make a donation. I did it more as a joke. One of my favorite sites is by a lady called Sinnocence. She is the queen of Amazon wishlists and getting donations.
I won't give her link because I might get in trouble because she cusses alot. Right now Sinnocence's hair is pink purple and orange!
Melinda =^..^=
I won't give her link because I might get in trouble because she cusses alot. Right now Sinnocence's hair is pink purple and orange!
Melinda =^..^=
ROFLMAO but dang didn't this one get off-topic :biggrin:
All I can say is OH MY GOD.
What a F%$#EN MESS.
What a F%$#EN MESS.
Yuk! still can taste the lava soap for saying THAT word.
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