deathstalker
Jan 3 2004, 07:17 PM
well chris is advertising banners on read4cash for a drug site and he allowes members at the age of 13 to use his site.
I would post the link but I dont want kids from here to view it!!
allstarballer2005
Jan 3 2004, 07:23 PM
| QUOTE (deathstalker @ Jan 3 2004, 07:17 PM) |
well chris is advertising banners on read4cash for a drug site and he allowes members at the age of 13 to use his site.
how low will you sink????
I would post the link but I dont want kids from here to view it!! |
drug site???
Like illegal stuff??
deathstalker
Jan 3 2004, 07:32 PM
in some countries it is and others are working on making it illegal and the site has pot leaves all over it.
site clearly states that they sell stuff to get hi with which a lot of teens would love to get their hands on.
kayleighsmommy84
Jan 3 2004, 07:35 PM
I would like to get my hands on it LOL! Just kidding...but woah...if that is true that is stooping very low...
CarlyK
Jan 3 2004, 07:36 PM
if you try to type c.r.a.p. is makes it into "hi"
mvanantwerpen
Jan 3 2004, 07:41 PM
Woah...That is pretty low. Pot leaves all over the front

??
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 07:42 PM
PM me that link, please.
I've had enough of this juvenile "hi" [hehehe]. I haven't got anything against Chris, but he's not thinking straight.
Can we collectively help him recollect his priorities???
Can anyone say "ETHICS"???!!???
kayleighsmommy84
Jan 3 2004, 07:45 PM
Isn't he under 18 himself????
CarlyK
Jan 3 2004, 07:45 PM
Can someone PM me the link as well. I'm curious about this as well.
As far as priorities, ya can't help someone who doesn't want to listen!

Is there an option for "drugs" int he interests? That is really bad.
Makeandsave
Jan 3 2004, 07:45 PM
Why is it that there is always complaint after complaint about one of chris sites surley he can get the message start looking after them. Give me one LOL
Justin
kayleighsmommy84
Jan 3 2004, 07:46 PM
LOL I am also curious..please PM the link to me too...I personally don't want that "hi" hanging around for children to see.
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 07:46 PM
There's gotta be some law about this. This is off topic, but Deathstalker, is your name after the Owen Deathstalker series??
kayleighsmommy84
Jan 3 2004, 07:47 PM
I'm sure there probably is a law, but I am not sure what country he is in either...even so I'm sure there is somewhere to report it.
deathstalker
Jan 3 2004, 07:50 PM
the name is from the deathstalker spider lol it a funnel web spider deadly poison
CarlyK
Jan 3 2004, 07:50 PM
I believe that he is in the UK.
btw.. that RatingPets site in mvanantwerpen's siggy is awesome! LMAO
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 07:51 PM
Well, well, well.
I looked at the site, it's for an herbal substitute folks. No pot leaves here. However, you do have to be 18 to purchase it.
It's an "alternative" to pot. It's USA legal it says, I also think you can plant the stuff. They grow it here in NM according to one reference. Of course, the DEA also busts people up in Northern NM regularly for growing pot, too!
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_co...a_d/summary.htm
"Salvia Divinorum is a perenial herb in the mint family native to certain areas of the Sierra Mazateca region of Oaxaca, Mexico. It is one of 500 species of Salvia in the New World is in similar to the sage plant. The plant grows in large groupings to well over 3 feet in height. It?s large green leaves, hollow square stems and flowers are it's characteristic features. S. Divinorum is one of several vision-inducing plants employed by the Mazatec Indians
There has been a recent interest among young adults and adolescents to re-discover ethnobotanical plants that can induce changes in perception, hallucinations, or other psychologically-induced changes. Since S. Divinorum, or any of its active ingredients are not specifically listed in the Controlled Substances Act, some on-line botanical companies and drug promotional sites have advertised Salvia as a legal alternative to other plant hallucinogens like mescaline. The plant material is smoked for the induction of "mystical" or hallucinogenic experiences.
Illicit Uses
Salvia is being smoked to induce hallucinations, the diversity of which are described by its users to be similar to those induced by ketamine, mescaline, or psilocybin. It is being widely touted on internet sites aimed at young adults and adolescents eager to experiment with these types of substances.
User Population
The user populations, thus far, seems limited to younger adults and adolescents influenced by the promotion of the drug on internet sites
Illicit distributed
Salvia Divinorum is grown domestically and imported from Mexico, and Central and South America.
Control status
Salvia Divinorum, Salvinorin A, and Divinorin A are not listed in the Controlled Substances Act."OK, so not in NM officially, but I bet ya they do. My great aunt used to grow opium poppies in Santa Fe...
Salvia is a widespread family anyhow.
The point is, he's not looking at what he's promoting.
If he targets these mails to areas where it's legal to do this, then I guess he can.
Ugh.
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 08:02 PM
Horrors! I revealed that I know what a pot leaf looks like! EEk!
mvanantwerpen
Jan 3 2004, 08:07 PM
| QUOTE (CarlyK @ Jan 3 2004, 08:50 PM) |
btw.. that RatingPets site in mvanantwerpen's siggy is awesome! LMAO |
LOL! I'm glad you like it
rofl
deathstalker
Jan 3 2004, 08:11 PM
you must need glasses because there are pot leaves.
any site that offers the user a hi in comparason to pot should not be allowed
when i was a teen i would have been stock piling that stuff it says you have to be 18 but everyone know there is no way for them to know for sure
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 08:25 PM
Well, hm, maybe I missed them. There are leaves, but not the scraggly pointy pot kind. I didn't look THAT closely. I must have missed them.
I agree, I wouldn't want my kids to see it, however, if they did, they'd know (if they were that age) that I'd kill them if they ordered it. Of course, at that age, I think they will be smoking my cooking rosemary just to try it, but still...
Kinda like porn. Seeing it won't ruin them for life, but my foot up their hind end might if I caught them with it or caught them practicin' with someone else....
Well, Chris, if you are around, try keeping it on the wholesome side.
kayleighsmommy84
Jan 3 2004, 08:26 PM
Might not be pot...but it's still something underage kids should not have access to in my opinion. Pot or pot substitute, either way it's a drug.
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 08:31 PM
True. But they can find it by searching the net. The issue is whether or not Chris KNOWS he's promoting it, and if he will STOP if he does.
There's no accountability in this business....
wvufan68
Jan 3 2004, 08:31 PM
Welllllllll, if you have to be 18 to buy it, shouldn't you have to be 18 to SELL it? Well, I guess technically he's just advertising it. But, if I recall, he's under 18 himself, though I may be mistaken. I'm not in his sites, but I think I read it here somewhere.
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 08:33 PM
He's in the UK. Different laws.
And yup, I missed the pot leaves. And the nekkid girly picture. Sheesh.
Well, I for one do not know what to do. I disapprove, but what does he care about MY opinion???
Sigh, I shall go look up a list of his darn sites.
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 08:34 PM
By the way, for any underage lurkers, smoking rosemary does NOT get you high. The volatile oils in it CAN get you hospitalized, tho'!
deathstalker
Jan 3 2004, 08:38 PM
my point is he is making the site easy for young members to get to some that may not be even thinking about pot I know i sure was not thinking about it til I went to his site.
what adults do is there business but handing it to kids is something else
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 08:44 PM
Agreed. We are discussing it in the Program Owners Folder too.
Brenda@PJ
Jan 3 2004, 09:01 PM
OK, last item of order is
DID ANYONE BOTHER TO MAKE SURE CHRIS KNEW HE WAS RUNNING AN OBJECTIONABLE AD??
lol, I didn't think of that either... If he didn't know, and many PO's don't check all the ads very carefully (happened to me, too) then he needs to.
How he reacts will be the key to what WE should think about it.
deathstalker
Jan 3 2004, 09:35 PM
i sent an email threw the contact page. I have sent emails in the past that went unanswered that is why i posed it here first since he seams to always be around here.
deathstalker
Jan 3 2004, 09:53 PM
Oh and all you little kiddes can stop P.M. ing me you are not getting the link
Debby369
Jan 3 2004, 09:54 PM
| QUOTE (Brenda@PJ @ Jan 3 2004, 10:01 PM) |
OK, last item of order is
DID ANYONE BOTHER TO MAKE SURE CHRIS KNEW HE WAS RUNNING AN OBJECTIONABLE AD??
lol, I didn't think of that either... If he didn't know, and many PO's don't check all the ads very carefully (happened to me, too) then he needs to.
How he reacts will be the key to what WE should think about it. |
I was wondering the same ...
Maybe it would have been more charitable to let him know privately first if not.
Brenda@PJ
Jan 4 2004, 12:36 AM
| QUOTE (deathstalker @ Jan 3 2004, 08:53 PM) |
| Oh and all you little kiddes can stop P.M. ing me you are not getting the link |
LOL, just do a search for the abovementioned herb, sheesh.
Brenda@PJ
Jan 4 2004, 12:37 AM
| QUOTE (Debby369 @ Jan 3 2004, 08:54 PM) |
| QUOTE (Brenda@PJ @ Jan 3 2004, 10:01 PM) | OK, last item of order is
DID ANYONE BOTHER TO MAKE SURE CHRIS KNEW HE WAS RUNNING AN OBJECTIONABLE AD??
lol, I didn't think of that either... If he didn't know, and many PO's don't check all the ads very carefully (happened to me, too) then he needs to.
How he reacts will be the key to what WE should think about it. |
I was wondering the same ...
Maybe it would have been more charitable to let him know privately first if not.
|
Well, no, it's still his responsibility. I had something like that happen to me once. Learned. I check more closely now.
It will be good for his health.
To tell you the truth, given the things he says here, I don't know if it will matter to him or not.
Geldwolfje
Jan 4 2004, 12:41 AM
I live in the netherlands and Cannabis is legal here. Also as a medicine and can be received (paid by insurance) when in severe pain.
It also seems to help against certain eye- problems.
In the USA lots of people became blind the last 20 years since the government denies them the use of Cannabis.
And a lot of them fled to the Netherlands to get proper medical treatment.
So: to all those people who get very upset by advertisemenst like these I want to recommend: You should try it yourself at least once before you try it.
Also: addictive behaviour is not caused by social problems: Scientist have discovered many years ago that addictions start because an"error" in the brains.
If kids of 13 years old want to smoke pot and use the internet, they will find it anyway: They know there way on the net better then most adults do.
freecashspace
Jan 4 2004, 01:53 AM
Wouldn't it make more sense to complain directly to the Program Owner if you are offended by a particular ad? Then if you're unhappy with the response, bring the issue to a public forum.
Yes Program Owners should be aware of the content of ads they send out.
I'm not sure about the legal issues involved with sending out ads for these types of products. According to one of the sites I viewed (probably not the one in the ad -- I just Googled it), the product is illegal here in Australia. Chris is in the UK, where as far as I know, the product is legal, as it is in most other countries in the world. Are there any legal issues with him sending the ad to members in Australia? I have no idea. Do you?
As for the issue with minors, the Read4Cash TOS says minors must have parental consent to join. If a parent gives their consent for their child to join the site, then they also have a responsibility for what that child is exposed to as a member of the program.
Personally, I don't have an issue with the product that was advertised. I don't find it any more offensive than many other products, services and programs I see advertised in PTRs.
Cheers,
Wil
kayleighsmommy84
Jan 4 2004, 02:31 AM
| QUOTE |
| As for the issue with minors, the Read4Cash TOS says minors must have parental consent to join. If a parent gives their consent for their child to join the site, then they also have a responsibility for what that child is exposed to as a member of the program. |
LOL If only the kids actually ASKED their parents for permission. All in all though if the kids want it they will get it no matter what it takes! I'm not going to lie or hide that when I was a young teen I did things of that nature and it's not like it's hard to come by. On the other hand, Chris should be monitoring his ads much more closely. Maybe this will make him wake up a realize that you have to take time to work with your programs.
deathstalker
Jan 4 2004, 02:32 AM
| QUOTE (Geldwolfje @ Jan 4 2004, 01:41 AM) |
I live in the netherlands and Cannabis is legal here. Also as a medicine and can be received (paid by insurance) when in severe pain.
It also seems to help against certain eye- problems.
In the USA lots of people became blind the last 20 years since the government denies them the use of Cannabis. And a lot of them fled to the Netherlands to get proper medical treatment.
So: to all those people who get very upset by advertisemenst like these I want to recommend: You should try it yourself at least once before you try it.
Also: addictive behaviour is not caused by social problems: Scientist have discovered many years ago that addictions start because an"error" in the brains.
If kids of 13 years old want to smoke pot and use the internet, they will find it anyway: They know there way on the net better then most adults do. |
I have no problem other than the fact that it is being advertised on a site that allows minors whats next porn ads to the kiddies. And for using pot for medical uses I am all for it it is not different that using any other perscribed drug. Want to advertise this stuff then keep the minors off the site. Or you send the ads to those who choose the adult option and make sure that the minors do not have the option avalible.
and as for emailing the program owner well if the sites were not so poorly run and the guy actually read his email then that may work.
kayleighsmommy84
Jan 4 2004, 02:33 AM
| QUOTE |
| Or you send the ads to those who choose the adult option and make sure that the minors do not have the option avalible. |
Ahhh yes targetting...forgot all about that! Good suggestion...maybe he will read this. (Not holding my breath)
freecashspace
Jan 4 2004, 02:54 AM
| QUOTE (deathstalker @ Jan 4 2004, 06:32 PM) |
| and as for emailing the program owner well if the sites were not so poorly run and the guy actually read his email then that may work. |
Did you try to contact him before posting here in the forum?
freecashspace
Jan 4 2004, 02:59 AM
| QUOTE (kayleighsmommy84 @ Jan 4 2004, 06:31 PM) |
| QUOTE | | As for the issue with minors, the Read4Cash TOS says minors must have parental consent to join. If a parent gives their consent for their child to join the site, then they also have a responsibility for what that child is exposed to as a member of the program. |
LOL If only the kids actually ASKED their parents for permission. All in all though if the kids want it they will get it no matter what it takes! I'm not going to lie or hide that when I was a young teen I did things of that nature and it's not like it's hard to come by. On the other hand, Chris should be monitoring his ads much more closely. Maybe this will make him wake up a realize that you have to take time to work with your programs.
|
Yes Chris should be monitoring his ads more closely.
He may also want to find out if there are any legal ramifications for sending out ads for products which are illegal in some countries (unless of course he is excluding those countries when sending out the ads).
He should also think hard about whether he wants to upset members by sending out ads for products, services or programs which some may find objectionable.
And if parents are worried about their kids coming across things like the product in that ad, then they should either be monitoring their kids' internet usage a lot more closely, trusting that their kids won't visit sites their parents wouldn't approve of, or accepting the fact that their kids will visit sites they don't approve of.
Cheers,
Wil
chris35
Jan 4 2004, 03:16 AM
Sorry just got back from a short weekend break, i had not realised it was a cannabis site i was under the impression it was a smoking site, i have therefore logining into all admins and deleting it immediatly
I must sincerely apologize for any hurt, inconvienence and stress
I will keep a much closer eye on banners and ptc, i do always check ads but not clicks and banners very very sorry
a full apology will be sent at every site the banner is setup at
chris35
Jan 4 2004, 03:42 AM
ok all ads are deleted

and this apology has been sent on all sites that had the banner:
Hi
I made a massive mistake just before I went away a few days ago, I put a Cannabis and Drug site up in the PTC area, I myself do not agree with this sort of thing and I am disgusted at myself at it being on my sites. I was under the influence it was a smoking website.
I apologize for any hurt or distress caused by this matter. I will be checking ads more carefully from now on
Sorry
ChrisCool
and again i must apologize i am so upset about this aswell
Debby369
Jan 4 2004, 04:44 AM
| QUOTE (Brenda@PJ @ Jan 4 2004, 01:37 AM) |
| QUOTE (Debby369 @ Jan 3 2004, 08:54 PM) | | QUOTE (Brenda@PJ @ Jan 3 2004, 10:01 PM) | OK, last item of order is
DID ANYONE BOTHER TO MAKE SURE CHRIS KNEW HE WAS RUNNING AN OBJECTIONABLE AD??
lol, I didn't think of that either...? If he didn't know, and many PO's don't check all the ads very carefully (happened to me, too) then he needs to.
How he reacts will be the key to what WE should think about it. |
I was wondering the same ...
Maybe it would have been more charitable to let him know privately first if not.
|
Well, no, it's still his responsibility. I had something like that happen to me once. Learned. I check more closely now.
It will be good for his health.
To tell you the truth, given the things he says here, I don't know if it will matter to him or not.
|
Well there's your answer ... he does care.
usually if members complain to the WM they will accommodate their wishes.
I just think it would be more ethical and charitable to bring it to the WM attention instead of complaining first in a public forum.
Who hasn't made a mistake in their life? Or misinterpreted something that they have seen or read? No answer is needed because unless you are God you have.
whatever
Jan 4 2004, 04:44 AM
Going to be very blunt!. Theirs a few people in this forum that are just nasty, just waiting to strike a blow below the belt on someone they have a conflict with.
chris cool advertises drug sites, How low will he sink
The question is how low is the starter of this thread, to even post something like this.
Did you try contacting him before posting with joy with this oportunity to degrade chris and attack him. Some of you people are plain sick with meaness.
Theirs been more then one site who have sent objectivable emails or have ran objectibale banners. They didn't do it by intent, almost all were CONTACTED before
attacking their character. Funny how chris was just attack!!!!!!!
deathstalker you got a personal anger problem with chris, no other reason why you would SINK SO LOW to even start a thread like this.
You owe chris and every member of this forum a apology. Question is now if your mature enough to do so.
Geldwolfje
Jan 4 2004, 05:27 AM
| QUOTE (deathstalker @ Jan 4 2004, 09:32 AM) |
I have no problem other than the fact that it is being advertised on a site that allows minors whats next porn ads to the kiddies. And for using pot for medical uses I am all for it it is not different that using any other perscribed drug. Want to advertise this stuff then keep the minors off the site. Or you send the ads to those who choose the adult option and make sure that the minors do not have the option avalible.
and as for emailing the program owner well if the sites were not so poorly run and the guy actually read his email then that may work. |
OK, agree with that
nadiaasoma
Jan 4 2004, 05:51 AM
| QUOTE (Geldwolfje @ Jan 4 2004, 12:27 PM) |
| QUOTE (deathstalker @ Jan 4 2004, 09:32 AM) | I have no problem other than the fact that it is being advertised on a site that allows minors whats next porn ads to the kiddies. And for using pot for medical uses I am all for it it is not different that using any other perscribed drug. Want to advertise this stuff then keep the minors off the site. Or you send the ads to those who choose the adult option and make sure that the minors do not have the option avalible.
and as for emailing the program owner well if the sites were not so poorly run and the guy actually read his email then that may work. |
OK, agree with that
|
Isn't Chris a minor himself?
And I must say that although I'm a havy smoker myself, smoking is more harmfull than cannabis.
Marian
trayse
Jan 4 2004, 06:15 AM
| QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 4 2004, 05:42 AM) |
| ... I was under the influence it was a smoking website. ... |

(sorry, i couldn't resist! that cracked me up!)
mercycamerunning
Jan 4 2004, 07:34 AM
Even if it were a smoking website - is it appropriate for children?
And, even if parents are monitoring their child's internet activities - do you always know which website you're going to by clicking on a link? Some programs send just the paid link ....
Just my opinion ~
Geldwolfje
Jan 4 2004, 07:39 AM
| QUOTE (nadiaasoma @ Jan 4 2004, 12:51 PM) |
And I must say that although I'm a havy smoker myself, smoking is more harmfull than cannabis.
Marian
|
Will it help you to stop when I say that the tax on sigarets wil rice 50 cents
nadiaasoma
Jan 4 2004, 09:36 AM
No, don't start me on this one.
Can't remember the name of that terrible, terrible women who put the deaththreads on the packages.
I hate her so much.
Marian
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