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Shelly
I deleted my account at Paradise Hits close to if not more than a year ago

So WTF am I doing getting mail from you now??? Where did you get your data base from???

I wouldn't join any programs that you own to begin with
mrssal
So who is the owner of paradise hits? I tried to delete my acount two times before it went down and it never made a difference.
moxymom
Funny you should mention that...lol...I just started getting mail too and I haven't had any in months....lol

lmao...there's another one...ROFLMAO
Brenda@PJ
Hmmm.

I used to have SO much there, then POOF they lost their database right after I requested some big redemption.. Luckily Aloralyric was managing it for Wayne and she put most of it back. I had sooo many in my downline tho'...
melrogers
If they send you email after you have cancelled your account then isnt that spam?
tatgirl2
I have unsubscribed a total of 5 times now....each time I go immediately back to log in and get the USER NOT FOUND error. Then a couple of months go by and here it comes again. I have no real complaint with them other than that. I unsubbed for the simple reason that I wasn't making anything from it.
laurabeth82
QUOTE (Brenda@PJ @ Jan 1 2004, 05:52 AM)
Hmmm.

I used to have SO much there, then POOF they lost their database right after I requested some big redemption.. Luckily Aloralyric was managing it for Wayne and she put most of it back. I had sooo many in my downline tho'...

Hi Hon,

Good to see you back posting!

Wayne kinda let PH slip away until Alorylic and FreeMe gave it new life; a super job the two of them did.

BUT Wayne would not sell the site to them; instead it went to ChrisCool. Is this the same fellar who has a SIG refering to wanting to buy a horsey and cleans out stables?

Anyway, PH is deadbeat but there are other reliable points for ads programs.

Can't mention them though!

Yes I deleted too but I am still in the program; all of you, just block the site in your email accounts.

Make them bounce about LOL
Wayne
If I had realized at that time that Adela/&FreeMe wanted the site that much it might/would have changed things. Paradise Hits was based on a PTR with lots of different scripts that people rarely had access to. Chris made an offer for the site, and I accepted it.

Now that its on MyEcom scripts, all the unique scripts have gone wasted.

There was a second site very much like PH that I was going to launch but never got around to it. Some people tell me that they miss the old scripts.

I did purchase a license for that second site, and chris knows that there was a second in the pipeline. I am just unsure what to do. Had I known what I do now, things would have been different. Chris is the new owner now, and it is his right to change things to his liking. With PH being very unique, I thought thats why he wanted it.

I have no other projects going on. I would probably have a compensation plan for the older members that were in PH, but I just do not know what kind of support I would have. One thing though is that with all my sites being sold, I had an agreement with each one that they would take on the existing program debt, and to date its being done.
Wayne
To add with what I have already said, I hope to get some help in if the project itself is approved of. There would be some sort of payment plan for those that help, ie: free memberships, admin access etc.
chris35
There does seem to be a MASSIVE problem!!

It seems that old emails & accounts have been stored hidden up, but now that i have upgraded it to CC they seem to have become un hidden.

All i can ask is for you to delete your account yourself or email me ASAP and i will try and get it done ASAP, i will need some sort of confirmation that it is youthat has emailed me so if you could email from the email your asccount is in would help!

As for exclusive scripts they will be back smile.gif i am beggining to learn php programming (wanted to do it for ages) and i will be using paradisehits as the BETA stage of developement!

I also really hope to turn around paradisehits again smile.gif thats why yesterday there were a lot of bonus emails and i hope to send some more bonuses over the next year smile.gif

thanx chriscool
Wayne
Chris did mention most of that to me today after I asked about the new scripts because I was curious, he has some good plans. What I said earlier was not to be negative towards chris, but do you know how long that site took me to build after frank had the site setup? as a software developer, we sometimes keep a record of our development time. I just looked back at it. I counted 1,473 hours.

When sites are converted from Create-A-Click, to Cash Crusader, some of the unsubscribed members get notified too, I should have remembered this when the topic came up earlier, but when I had my sites converted, I wasn't around at the time, so I didn't see much of what happened.
chris35
yes i do have a lot of ideas smile.gif

and again i am very sorry about this problem

couple of my ideas:

built in safelist (opt in or out of it without affecting your PH account)

and to add back the ecard system smile.gif

thanx chriscool
Wayne
Some of the scripts I used were free. Some took absolutely ages to install, some elements had to be designed by ian, like the automated redemption system which cost me over $150. At the start, I wanted to see how many takers there would be for the automated redemption system. For each webmaster that had it installed in their site, the lower my cost would be. Well, there were 8 takers, and none of them followed through and I had to pay for the complete time, the 8 of them let me down bigtime. That day I said I would never ever trust a webmaster again, or have another script written.
chris35
yeah scripting is no cheap business sad.gif that is why i am learning my self
Juliette
QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 1 2004, 11:31 PM)
yeah scripting is no cheap business sad.gif that is why i am learning my self

oh heaven help us all especially if your scripting is anything like your design sense rolleyes.gif

seriously chris you don't belong in the getpaidworld you've bitten off way more than you can chew for a school boy

finish your education, leave the running of business's to the people old enough to sign contracts and deal with the legal side of things

thats MTCW anyway
chris35
i am afraid i will do what i want to do in my free time smile.gif and if it php programming then it is!!

some days there are no emails on my sites because i am busy with school work, my schooling comes first then my mates then my sites then my programming if i get 5 minutes here or there

thanx chriscool
Juliette
QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 1 2004, 11:48 PM)
i am afraid i will do what i want to do in my free time smile.gif and if it php programming then it is!!

some days there are no emails on my sites because i am busy with school work, my schooling comes first then my mates then my sites then my programming if i get 5 minutes here or there

thanx chriscool

so you've just said it right there

1. you don't have enough time to do your site

2. your still at the age where your "mates" come first ie, a child.

3. If you only have time here and there to spend on your programming you can gaurantee its going to be full of bugs..

the funniest thing is.. you take the above to mean.. hey lets open more sites, and wipe more databases, and mess more things up because I'm a schoolboy who doesn't have to live with the outcome because I'm under the legal age

the only way to save this industry is for people to take it seriously.. its hard to take an underage schoolboy with no experience and no clue seriously.

Do you declare what you make on your sites? (ie) taxes, if its a business then legally you should.. but I guess not many of us do.. eventually they will cotton on
chris35
well i am glad to say i have filled my tax forms in and have been sent.

I am serious about my sites!! If i didnt care about them i would just run off with all your money!!

I would do anything for my sites!!

As for more scripting i have a couple of friends who are a lot lot more experienced programs cheacking my scripts for me actually smile.gif i aint that darn stupid!!!

And i am quite disgusted at your attitude sondiering your a mod!!

QUOTE
QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 1 2004, 11:48 PM)
i am afraid i will do what i want to do in my free time  and if it php programming then it is!!

some days there are no emails on my sites because i am busy with school work, my schooling comes first then my mates then my sites then my programming if i get 5 minutes here or there

thanx chriscool 


so you've just said it right there

1. you don't have enough time to do your site

2. your still at the age where your "mates" come first ie, a child.

3. If you only have time here and there to spend on your programming you can gaurantee its going to be full of bugs..

the funniest thing is.. you take the above to mean.. hey lets open more sites, and wipe more databases, and mess more things up because I'm a schoolboy who doesn't have to live with the outcome because I'm under the legal age

the only way to save this industry is for people to take it seriously.. its hard to take an underage schoolboy with no experience and no clue seriously.

Do you declare what you make on your sites? (ie) taxes, if its a business then legally you should.. but I guess not many of us do.. eventually they will cotton on
Wayne
If Chris breaks the law, i'll be waving him off to the slammer. Our laws in England are slightly different to the USA.

At 16+ you are allowed to smoke, or leave home to move in with someone else. You can also legally get married (not sure if you have to have parental consent).

At 17 you're allowed to drive (not 100% on that), 18+ and you can purchase alcahol. At 21+ you can drive a HGV.

I'm not 100% sure but I think Chris is 16-18 which would make him an adult if he is 18 or over. If he breaks the law at 16-18, he would be sent to a jouvenile detention center (Only about 50% sure on that one).

Again I am not 100% on the things I have said. Over here if this was a debate, alot of people would be saying "good on him" because it would keep him occupied and off the street. Its good to learn.

At 17 I had written my first piece of software and had it published, its good to learn, and there are alot of young people here who are pretty darn successful. I remember a few years ago, didn't a 16-17 yr old sell scooters and make a huge profit?

I'm 24 now, 25 in a few weeks and i'm still learning.
Juliette
QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 2 2004, 12:09 AM)
well i am glad to say i have filled my tax forms in and have been sent.

I am serious about my sites!! If i didnt care about them i would just run off with all your money!!

I would do anything for my sites!!

As for more scripting i have a couple of friends who are a lot lot more experienced programs cheacking my scripts for me actually smile.gif i aint that darn stupid!!!

And i am quite disgusted at your attitude sondiering your a mod!!

QUOTE
QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 1 2004, 11:48 PM)
i am afraid i will do what i want to do in my free time? and if it php programming then it is!!

some days there are no emails on my sites because i am busy with school work, my schooling comes first then my mates then my sites then my programming if i get 5 minutes here or there

thanx chriscool?


so you've just said it right there

1. you don't have enough time to do your site

2. your still at the age where your "mates" come first ie, a child.

3. If you only have time here and there to spend on your programming you can gaurantee its going to be full of bugs..

the funniest thing is.. you take the above to mean.. hey lets open more sites, and wipe more databases, and mess more things up because I'm a schoolboy who doesn't have to live with the outcome because I'm under the legal age

the only way to save this industry is for people to take it seriously.. its hard to take an underage schoolboy with no experience and no clue seriously.

Do you declare what you make on your sites? (ie) taxes, if its a business then legally you should.. but I guess not many of us do.. eventually they will cotton on

you forget I'm a member of this forum also who has a view

I'm sick of being told I can't comment on something I find disgusting for the fact I'm a mod

I'd quite happily give it up just to be able to talk my mind more often

what about the money you already took from members when you deleted whole databases? reduced referral earnings?

Wayne
Whenever I would get distressed at something someone said, people kept saying to me "opinions are like butts, everyone has them". I respect peoples right to have an opinion, and if I get stuck on a debate, I just agree to disagree respectively.
chris35
yes there have been problems i know that i have tried my hardest to make up,

you can speak your mind whether your a mod or not but rudeness should not be alowed!!

i am not breaking the law you can run a business at 1 day old!!
Juliette
QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 2 2004, 12:26 AM)
yes there have been problems i know that i have tried my hardest to make up,

you can speak your mind whether your a mod or not but rudeness should not be alowed!!

i am not breaking the law you can run a business at 1 day old!!

run isn't the word I'd use dry.gif

anyway I've said my piece and I'm happy now I'm moving on
chris35
ok fine!!
freecashspace
If you are receiving emails from Paradisehits (or any other program) after you have unsubscribed then that program is SPAMMING you.

From the Paradisehits TOS:

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You may not promote your referral links through unsolicited emailing (i.e. SPAMMING), newsgroup postings, or any other method of mass communication. Failure to comply will result in immediate termination of your membership with ParadiseHits and may result in legal prosecution. ParadiseHits strictly enforces anti-Spamming laws. Spamming is a federal crime. Any member caught Spamming will not only have their account terminated immediately and lose any past, present and future earnings, but shall also be held liable for Spamming as we shall cooperate with any authorities and investigations that may arise from the Spamming incident. ParadiseHits may charge up to $5 per spam email sent.

Seems only fair to "cooperate with any authorities" by turning this spammer in and charging him $5 per spam email sent, just as he would do to you...if you were spamming...and still a member of his program.

Cheers,

Wil
chris35
i am not spamming there was a mistake in the script conversion and we are trying to resolve it with people smile.gif
freecashspace
QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 1 2004, 09:49 PM)
i am not spamming there was a mistake in the script conversion and we are trying to resolve it with people smile.gif

If you are sending emails to people who have opted out by quitting your program, then you are spamming them.

Its that simple.

Cheers,

Wil
Railside


Why worry about spam?

Delete it and move on.

The more I read this forum, the less I like it. Far too many posters interpreting "speak my mind" as a blanket permission to be rude and nasty.

mercycamerunning
Chris, I have to agree with Juliet on this. It would be really nice if you would put more effort into the sites you do own instead of just collecting more. It really means nothing if you have 50 sites that are very inactive. It would be more ''impressive'' if you had one super fantastic site.

I find it ironic that I got an email from one of your sites saying I hadn't logged in for more than 30 days and was about to be deleted. Yet, there are NO PTC's on that site and that site hasn't sent any mail in that time either.

Maybe there should be something for members to delete program owners that aren't active for 30 days .......

Maybe you should talk to some of the other successful program owners that will tell you that their site(s) take a considerable amount of time to run properly - several hours per day.

In my opinion, you just simply don't have the time to run a site properly.

Wayne
Whilst technically it may be considered spam, there is a difference between accidentally sending spam, and knowingly sending spam. There is no profit whatsoever in spamming ex members of a program. One of my search affiliates once sent an email out, and it went to the deleted member list. Out of the 100 people, 12 of those people filed a complaint. So there is no benefit whatsoever in using deleted email addresses unless you are selling them, and its clear to anyone that this was just a mistake, the webmaster involved offered an apology.

I was watching a thread a few days ago, where someone may have done something. Instead of waiting at least 5 days, members/ex members were already talking about reporting the webmaster to search engines. Some members don't realize that some webmasters actually have personal permission to send incentive links. One of the new sites I have been working with has an incentive section that is approved by the advertisers. I have seen complaints that have turned out to be nothing more than a jealous vendetta or a payback just because something didn't go their way.

I cannot believe some of the things that have gone on. It has opened my eyes in a big way, and I am not talking about this specific thread, but multiple threads. I don't know what the worse is, greed, or jealousy.

There are alot of nice people that visit this forum, but lots of people are getting sick now. The only word I can use to sum this up is "disgusted".

I respect anyone elses right to an opinion, and their right to defend themselves when there is need, but its just going too far. Some people might think this is way out of character for me to post this. I don't think I have ever been this disgusted here before. I can see both sides of the fence but no wonder sites go down if you start attacking their business, reporting them to advertisers.

I do not intend to upset anyone, so I apologize in advance if I upset anyone.
ilovemanda
juliet who are you to critize so deeply
I trust chris and if you dont u shudnt talk so rough thank you.

edited to say...
Your too busy for the gptr world how bout you go be a normal mother and get off the computer.
CarlyK
ilovemanda

Your comments are TOTALLY out of line and there is no reason to attack another person for their opinions. I too happen to agree with Juilliet. You may trust a person, however, the sites taken over by Chris have been nothing but problematic, with broken promise after broken promise after broken promise.

Look at what Chris said.... he says that is school comes fir, then his mates and then is programming. Did you once see him mention his sites in there? No, you did not.

Is it asking too much to update the survey peace site to take down the "We will be sending a $1 survey on the 15th of November." It's Jan. 1st, 2004, for heavens sake.

How is anyone supposed to take Chris serious when he cannot take his sites serious? Is everyone supposed to sit around and twiddle their thumbs while they wait for him to learn whatever he's learning, while acquiring more sites?

Everyone who supports Chris and Chris himself are telling us that we need to be patient and they expect so much of us, what about our expectations of Chris? Is it unreasonable to expect proper running of a a site, instead of trying to create a new project every other day?

Chris, if you love your sites so much, why don't you start acting like it? If you want us to take you as "for real" give us something to notice with your sites. Take a stand and start doing somethng with the sites.

How can you expect anyone to take this serious and "professional" when you can't even act that way. When you took on all those sites you did, you COMMITTED yourself to the sites and to the members. So far you have been letting both down.

But, I'm sure this will once again fall on deaf ears because Chris, you act like it's all about quantity and not quality.

You keep saying you'll learn, you're trying. Great POs have offered to help you, give you advice, etc, and you don't even care.
Wayne
I had enough trouble trying to keep up with 3 sites, each site would take a while daily. I even had to get help in.

Some owners believe there is strength in numbers, the more sites, the more revenue. There is no way I could manage his workload.
ilovemanda
how are my comments out of line they are worse then juliet.
Brenda@PJ
QUOTE (Railside @ Jan 1 2004, 06:18 AM)


Why worry about spam?

Delete it and move on.

The more I read this forum, the less I like it. Far too many posters interpreting "speak my mind" as a blanket permission to be rude and nasty.


Tried that, the script is set to not deleted accts with a negative balance.

My account had $360 paradise bucks before, then some redemptions and when he converted or at some nebulous point, it became negative.

I thought I HAD deleted my account a FEW times.

I am not mad at Chris, it's not his fault, this kind of thing happens.

He's being very amenable about the whole thing and trying to work it as best he can.

I simply do not want my account, it's worthless after the first data dump that got rid of my downline. Has nothing to do with Chris. Lots to do with Wayne and what happened after he drifted off into Never Never land.
Brenda@PJ
QUOTE (ilovemanda @ Jan 1 2004, 12:12 PM)
juliet who are you to critize so deeply
I trust chris and if you dont u shudnt talk so rough thank you.

edited to say...
Your too busy for the gptr world how bout you go be a normal mother and get off the computer.

That was totally uncalled for. This should be a discussion, not name-calling and insulting.
Wayne
never never land? I got out of it all when my heart wasn't in it. Admittedly it should have been sooner.
chris35
ok i am NOT taking on any more sites what so ever!!!

New year fresh start for me!! i am stop sending so many ads for my self that just lost loads of money! My sites will be advertiser orientated i will be dedicating certain time amounts to each of my sites etc etc i really am going to start a frsh this year smile.gif

I am also looking for a reliable owner for surveypeace.com please contact me if interested


thanx chriscool
Juniebluemon




Whats a MOD?
J huh.gif
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I'm sick of being told I can't comment on something I find disgusting for the fact I'm a mod
chris35
Mod's are people who sorta run the board they delete rude, personal attacks & spam etc etc
Juniebluemon
Thanks Chris
I figured it out after what it meant
By the way I like paradise Hits and Im concerned by the negative that Im hearing...
Ive been SC---ed by Mystical,Nile,Cheech,Dusty..to name a few and I really am not looking to get scammed anymore
Are you on the level?
Im fairly knew to this (Past year)
And I was a trusting soul but Im quickly becoming jaded by so many that have folded and havent paid
Im concerned.....
Tell me something that will make me believe that the negative that some are saying is unfounded
J blink.gif :
chris35
I am not gonna lie cos others will jus tell ya

i lost a few databases when i use to not make backups so the data was unretrievable

i have now learned from the mistake and realise i must make daily backups smile.gif

i also use to not pay quickly this now not the case apart from one site freemoneymail.com got a bit of a debt there but i will pay it!!

Ive bin in this industtry 1 1/2 years listening to slander at me some yes has been constructive other hasnt but i have stuck at it and plan to for a long time yet. If i was gonna run with your money i think i would have done it by now.

And CarlyK i do listen to criticism and other webbies, ive got some very helpful ones i talk to, i will not name them as i dont feel necessary but if they want to post and say they are helping me please do guys smile.gif

BEAWARE!!!

paradisehits is a free ad site and you cannot cashout earning for cash only for ads BUT a real cash option will be available soon smile.gif look out!!
Juniebluemon
Thanks Chris
I have been a member for a while of paradise hits
Are you saying thatyou can only reddem for ads now and soon you will also have cash .....? If so how long is soon?
What has exactly changed with you now
Did you pay back people that you owed money too?
If you havent are you making it up to them in other ways?
I would like to give you a chance but I need to know that you have respect for your members
I can understand learning from mistakes but I am wondering about these statements of how you have treated these people
Are the statements true and did you try o reove them?
Thnks
J
Brenda@PJ
QUOTE (Wayne @ Jan 1 2004, 04:58 PM)
never never land? I got out of it all when my heart wasn't in it. Admittedly it should have been sooner.

Well, I meant that as some people had no idea what happened. I do know there was quite a period where you were sorta running your program and sorta not. Nothing bad, it was just a bad thing for your program.
Wayne
Yeah that is when I woke up and said, why am I doing this? and I put up a notice of intent to quit. Then I started on tying up the loose ends.
chris35
I have always tried my hardest to make it up to members when problems have hit.

Paradisehits has always paid free ads never not even when it first opened in 2001

Thanx chriscool
hillbilly01
hey chris i sent u a pm few days ago wink.gif
please read it sometime soon rolleyes.gif
Juniebluemon
Thanks Chris
Im gonna hang in there with you and hope that you are all you say you are
J
Brenda@PJ
QUOTE (Juniebluemon @ Jan 2 2004, 02:44 PM)
Thanks Chris
I have been a member for a while of paradise hits
Are you saying thatyou can only reddem for ads now and soon you will also have cash .....? If so how long is soon?
What has exactly changed with you now
Did you pay back people that you owed money too?
If you havent are you making it up to them in other ways?
I would like to give you a chance but I need to know that you have respect for your members
I can understand learning from mistakes but I am wondering about these statements of how you have treated these people
Are the statements true and did you try o reove them?
Thnks
J

He doesn't owe anyone money, PH was for ads only, like he said....
Brianlfc
QUOTE (chris35 @ Jan 1 2004, 11:09 AM)
I am serious about my sites!! If i didnt care about them i would just run off with all your money!!

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

But Chris my friend, don't you realise thats exactly what you've been doing?

Tell me, whats the difference in running off with everyones monies or ruining site after site, closing sites down, losing databases like they're going out of fashion? In my eyes, I'd actually prefer a WM that runs off with the money, that way at least we/you know whats going on and the said WM is no longer in the game, but you just seem to love the messing people and sites around, please for everyones sakes, give it a miss and move on to something else.

Face it Chris, your a VERY poor WM that doesn't realise the time and money some people spend in this business, only to have the money/work wasted by incompetent WMs like yourself. I personally wouldn't touch a site of yours with a barge-pole.
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