Poncer
May 10 2002, 09:30 AM
The things he is posting in GPTBoycott forum, he sounds like he do not care about his members at all. I asked him about someone who have to miss a month from clicking because a computer problem or being in the hospital. You know what he said? He said if you click on the link once a month, than you are deleted no matter what. That is very cruel on his part. He is making too many excuses why he can't pay. He is calling people like me or other people cheaters or greedy because he are complaining about what he is doing. This guy is now sounding like Fred Shrock putting members down.
freeandeasy
May 10 2002, 12:01 PM
Total Earnings: $64.6380
I wonder if I will ever get my money. And I AM clicking the links.
austin31612
May 10 2002, 02:02 PM
I don't bother with mccrawmail anymore. It stinks!
Poncer
May 10 2002, 02:33 PM
Man, he became a sleezy person lately. Oh well, once you get your pay, Free. Yoy can leave his outfit as well. People are leaving left and right lately and so is his advertisers as well.
ppprk
May 10 2002, 06:59 PM
Just logged into my account & surprised to see that I earned more than $50 this week
Now I have $96.3050
Is this just an error or many people went to click the cashclicks because they said they would delete inactive members???
Total Earnings: $96.3050
[ 05-11-2002, 09:59 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
TLA1973
May 11 2002, 03:56 AM
Well hope you get paid ppprk!
My stats are screwed!!
I now owe the guy $37 !!!
Tier 1: (80 Total Referrals)
Tier 2: (105 Total Referrals)
Tier 3: (164 Total Referrals)
Tier 4: (307 Total Referrals)
Tier 5: (507 Total Referrals)
Total Earnings: $-37.8930
I know i had over 1,100 on my 2nd level so i guess the guy has just implemented the CAC fix?
freeandeasy
May 11 2002, 10:20 AM
WWWOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I like Kris again!
You've got cash!
Kristopher McCraw just sent you money with PayPal.
------------------------------
Payment Details
------------------------------
Amount: $64.65
Transaction ID: 7Y5156326C4651140
Subject: McCrawMail April Payment
Note: Cathy Zeiler,
Here is your payment for the month of April
McCrawMail earnings $64.65
ppprk
May 11 2002, 12:04 PM
You have never got paid before?
He said he will pay those who never got paid before 1st
freeandeasy
May 11 2002, 12:51 PM
No, the only time I tried to redeem my earnings was when I wanted him to run an ad for me, but he never ran the ad.
After that I thought it was pointless to even try to get paid, because there were so many people ahead of me waiting to get paid.
I had thought maybe I would wait until the new site was up and then try to redeem my earnings.
FamilyAffair
May 11 2002, 01:22 PM
Total Earnings: $53.6710
Poncer
May 11 2002, 02:11 PM
Free? How are you going be paid? Kris said he does not have any money to pay anybody right now because of his upgrade? Unless he writes personal checks, but then they would be bouncing.
freeandeasy
May 11 2002, 02:25 PM
Poncer, I didn't even know I was going to be paid.
I received the notice from Paypal that I was paid, so I logged into Paypal and there it was.
It was a complete surprise, but I guess he came up with some money.
At least it proves he really does intend to pay his members.
ppprk
May 11 2002, 03:36 PM
I think someone in your level 1 got deleted due to inactivity
quote:
Originally posted by TLA1973:
Well hope you get paid ppprk!
My stats are screwed!!
I now owe the guy $37 !!!
Tier 1: (80 Total Referrals)
Tier 2: (105 Total Referrals)
Tier 3: (164 Total Referrals)
Tier 4: (307 Total Referrals)
Tier 5: (507 Total Referrals)
Total Earnings: $-37.8930
I know i had over 1,100 on my 2nd level so i guess the guy has just implemented the CAC fix?
taxlady2
May 14 2002, 12:30 AM
McCraw Mail paid me twice and ran an ad as a redemption before all the poor scripting for referrals and earnings on CAC sites became public knowlege.
I requested my 4th redemption over 6 weeks ago, which at that time was about $29, my account now shows $77.83 yesterday.
After waiting 2 weeks, i requested again, then again a week later, when i received a very nasty letter telling me that each time i request my money, i go to the bottom of the list, and should wait my turn like everyone else.
I waited another 2 weeks and still nothing, so i wrote a letter to him telling him that i thought his attitude sucks, and while i realize that the stats in his admin area are doubling/trippling earnings, when a user sees they can redeem, it means they are owed that amount or more and are entitled to it.
He then writes me another nasty letter, telling me that i'm greedy, members are greedy, requesting cash redemptions instead of asking for a paid mail to be sent out.
Hey his program isn't Ad's for mails, it's a paid2read site.
As a frustrated webmaster with crappy CAC scripts i understand his frustration, but i totally disagree with his attitude towards members.
Memebers who request redemptions from the stats they see, are fully entitled to at least what they see in their account.
Most likely, if they have referrals and referral earnings, they are entitled to more than what they actually see, never less.
His first mistake was not sending paid mails anymore, because he's too cheap to spend the money on bandwidth required to send them.
His second mistake is paranoia over the CAC scripts.
Either shut it down because it's wrong, but he continues to stay up, and not pay anyone.
Waiting list???? Good Grief!!!
I'm sure he has very little income coming in from advertisers, as why would an advertiser pay for a link on his site rather than a paid mail that goes out to members.
McCraw mail as it is now, will never pay anyone again as he won't generate enough income from advertisers and has probably spent what money he already took in.
I'm very dissapointed in what he's done to a very good program that had a good reputation and one that i built up a lot of referrals with.
Had he left it alone and contineued sending paid mails and running ad sales and paying prompltly he'd have survied when others failed.
But as it stands now, McCraw mail isn't worth any more of my time .
He's told me that i shouldn't post or send any negativity, because then my downline would dissapesar and eventually he'd owe me nothing.
It's very obvious to me, he has no intention of paying me, or anyone else anymore.
As a webmaster who had continually paid out thousands, knowing that i over-paid a lot, i still continue to payout because the revenue is there, because i offer ad sales, etc, to keep the cash flowing.
Sure it diminishes, and lately a lot of negative remarks in forums such as this, and due to other programming problems with the mailer not sending when it should and advertisers not getting the clicks they should, i'm experiencing a slump in ad's but i have enough revenue in reserve to continue to payout as i receive requests for redemptions.
When a webmaster replies with such a non-caring attitude as Kris has lately, he's cutting his own throat, and will never recover, as members don't forget such treatment.
If anything has been said about me or my replies its basically because i get so many of the same questions about missing referrals and earnings etc, and will do a copy/paste and sometimes send the wrong reply because of it.
It's not intentional, but at least i do keep my members informed as to what problems we do have on both sites. I don't ignore my members for weeks like he's doing, nor do i send them such nasty replies as he's doing.
It's definately not good business.
kglaser
May 14 2002, 01:28 AM
Quoted by taxlady2:
He's told me that i shouldn't post or send any
negativity, because then my downline would
dissapesar and eventually he'd owe me nothing.
Wow.
So what he's essentially saying is, "You better not talk mean about me, or I'll take your downline and go home and tell my mommy!!"
He's just been added to a very special list of mine which includes ClickityCash and Nitroclicks. What's the theme of the list? Here's a hint--it concerns the sucky attitudes of the webmasters. From what I've read on these forums, Kris McCraw is behaving like a jerk. Whatever happened to free speech????
mrwywy
May 14 2002, 02:00 AM
RE: TAXLADY
I will not disagree with your option about McGraw, you can have your own option. but you said
"Memebers who request redemptions from the stats they see, are fully entitled to at least what they see in their account"
That is a load of bunk. If you receive funds from anyone that you are not legally entitled to you are obligated to repay those funds.
A few years back a buddy of mine went into the bank to cash his check, and guess what he found? His bank account balance said 15,000 dollars well he withdrew 10,000 right away and guess what else two days later he had to pay it back within 15 days of face legal action.
You also say you know that the stats are screwed up but you want what you see in your account, is he so far off when he says your greedy?
I'm not here to defend McGraw but when someone starts flapping that they what the money they know they didn't earn just makes my blood boil.
unfortunately you lost a couple of respect points with me today.
[ 05-14-2002, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: mrwywy ]
clare
May 14 2002, 03:26 AM
i agree with mrw. Taxlady im sure if my account suddenly added a $100 on at copper coins via a script error, u wouldnt be so eager to pay me the money that i didnt earn.
Poncer
May 14 2002, 04:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by taxlady2:
McCraw Mail paid me twice and ran an ad as a redemption before all the poor scripting for referrals and earnings on CAC sites became public knowlege.
I requested my 4th redemption over 6 weeks ago, which at that time was about $29, my account now shows $77.83 yesterday.
After waiting 2 weeks, i requested again, then again a week later, when i received a very nasty letter telling me that each time i request my money, i go to the bottom of the list, and should wait my turn like everyone else.
I waited another 2 weeks and still nothing, so i wrote a letter to him telling him that i thought his attitude sucks, and while i realize that the stats in his admin area are doubling/trippling earnings, when a user sees they can redeem, it means they are owed that amount or more and are entitled to it.
He then writes me another nasty letter, telling me that i'm greedy, members are greedy, requesting cash redemptions instead of asking for a paid mail to be sent out.
Hey his program isn't Ad's for mails, it's a paid2read site.
As a frustrated webmaster with crappy CAC scripts i understand his frustration, but i totally disagree with his attitude towards members.
Memebers who request redemptions from the stats they see, are fully entitled to at least what they see in their account.
Most likely, if they have referrals and referral earnings, they are entitled to more than what they actually see, never less.
His first mistake was not sending paid mails anymore, because he's too cheap to spend the money on bandwidth required to send them.
His second mistake is paranoia over the CAC scripts.
Either shut it down because it's wrong, but he continues to stay up, and not pay anyone.
Waiting list???? Good Grief!!!
I'm sure he has very little income coming in from advertisers, as why would an advertiser pay for a link on his site rather than a paid mail that goes out to members.
McCraw mail as it is now, will never pay anyone again as he won't generate enough income from advertisers and has probably spent what money he already took in.
I'm very dissapointed in what he's done to a very good program that had a good reputation and one that i built up a lot of referrals with.
Had he left it alone and contineued sending paid mails and running ad sales and paying prompltly he'd have survied when others failed.
But as it stands now, McCraw mail isn't worth any more of my time .
He's told me that i shouldn't post or send any negativity, because then my downline would dissapesar and eventually he'd owe me nothing.
It's very obvious to me, he has no intention of paying me, or anyone else anymore.
As a webmaster who had continually paid out thousands, knowing that i over-paid a lot, i still continue to payout because the revenue is there, because i offer ad sales, etc, to keep the cash flowing.
Sure it diminishes, and lately a lot of negative remarks in forums such as this, and due to other programming problems with the mailer not sending when it should and advertisers not getting the clicks they should, i'm experiencing a slump in ad's but i have enough revenue in reserve to continue to payout as i receive requests for redemptions.
When a webmaster replies with such a non-caring attitude as Kris has lately, he's cutting his own throat, and will never recover, as members don't forget such treatment.
If anything has been said about me or my replies its basically because i get so many of the same questions about missing referrals and earnings etc, and will do a copy/paste and sometimes send the wrong reply because of it.
It's not intentional, but at least i do keep my members informed as to what problems we do have on both sites. I don't ignore my members for weeks like he's doing, nor do i send them such nasty replies as he's doing.
It's definately not good business.
He is getting even more greedy. He deleted a guy when he is waiting for his pay out. That guy is deleting members who have requested for a payout.
lachlanm
May 14 2002, 05:58 PM
im using my $11 worth of earnings for cash click advertising, im never going to reach $25 very soon unless i advertise but why bother his program doesnt really deserve it
taxlady2
May 15 2002, 10:32 AM
Well i figured rather than just cancel my account with $78 in earnings i'd try redeeming for an ad for coppercoins for $29 and see what happens.
My ad ran immediately and i received this from pay-pal.
$49.81 balance of McCraw earings.
Guess he's got the money, but is ticked that nobody's redeeming for ad's.Payment Details
Amount: $49.81
Transaction ID: 09252679YG1708839
Subject: Balance of McCrawMail account
Note: Carol, I appreciate the jesture and here is the remainer of your balance. Best Wishes, Kris
taxlady2
May 15 2002, 10:40 AM
To mrmywy
I'm referring to sites running cgi/php combo's
Not sites with the original CAC scripts.
In the case of mec-co-op and coppercoins what i see in admin area is the old CAC scripts which double/triple referrals and earnings, so i cannot pay from them.
The members see the php script which is more accurate in tracking referrals and earnings but one exception, when members unsubscribe or one of their downlines get deleted for inactivity, any downline and earnings that person had dissapear.
So when i say, when they see they can redeem in their accounts, i owe them more than what they see, it's because of missing referral earnings from missing downlines that didn't move up.
I do owe them at least the amount they redeemed for. Those stats are 100% correct.
This only applies to sites being hosted and modified by myecom such as my 2 sites.
That's what i was referring to. It does not apply to sites still running CAC scripting because those scripts got even worse with the fix CAC put out.
Maybe if Frank did the mods himself, it may have come out better, but he lets the webmasters do it, and in my case, one of the files i placed in a directory wasn't there orignally and there's no reference to that file in any other files, therefore it was useless. The 2nd file i did replace, but the stats got even worse.
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