I previously made a prediction in the General Discussion section regarding Annies and whether the program was going to make it to the next round of 50 dollar payouts as many were approaching this new figure since the change from the previous 25 dollar payout min.
Many responded that they had requested the 25 dollar payout as they had made this amount PRIOR to the new policy change and that Annies stated they would pay those who had requested PRIOR to the new change to 50 dollars.
WELL GUESS WHAT?
Apparently today they send an admin email to all members advising they had so many of the payouts requested prior to the policy change to do that they simply don't have the time to get to all of them. SO INSTEAD, EVERYONE has to reach the 50 dollar payout level to make it FAIR to all members.
Does this smell?
In reality it made no difference anyway as apparently those who requested the payout under the old 25 dollar level, weren't getting paid anyway and would have reached the 50 level by the time their number or name came up for payout anyway.
Does EVERYONE now get paid according to the order of their request when they reach the 50 dollar level, or do those who requested prior to the increase get priority and placed ahead of the others.
So now it's not simply a matter of lack of revenue, but apparently lack of time as well or unwillingness to spend the time to honor the committment made to the members.
In closing the admin email stated the owner was going on vacation from Jan 1 to 8th and no paid emails were going to be sent. Now thats fine as everyone needs and deserves a vacation, but the timing is suspect.
The the week abscence give them time to really enjoy a vacation or something else?
I thought it was particularly interesting and amusing that the first line of the admin email was a wish that everyone enjoyed Xmas in leiu of the fact that many were counting on a payout prior to Xmas to help with the expenses, that is till the new policy change.
Keep a watchful eye out folks. I hate to say it, but I don't think it can survive. Has been reported to me that the volume of emails has begun to shrink as well.
I ponder on just how many converted their payout to Gold when this issue first came up, reducing the cash outlay at the time, and it known within that what is happening now was in fact the plan to begin with.
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I agree with you, my thoughts too. There were "so many" who requested at $25 at once, if there had only been a few I guess she could have paid them, but there must have been alot hitting $25 at once. You are right, I never thought about the part of who was where in line for payout.
She was so blahsay about her vacation. I wonder if she will come back here from it or just vanish. How is she going to pay at $50 which many are now reaching???
She could have been more reassuring.
She was so blahsay about her vacation. I wonder if she will come back here from it or just vanish. How is she going to pay at $50 which many are now reaching???
She could have been more reassuring.
| QUOTE (mcf @ Dec 27 2003, 07:18 AM) |
| I agree with you, my thoughts too. There were "so many" who requested at $25 at once, if there had only been a few I guess she could have paid them, but there must have been alot hitting $25 at once. You are right, I never thought about the part of who was where in line for payout. She was so blahsay about her vacation. I wonder if she will come back here from it or just vanish. How is she going to pay at $50 which many are now reaching??? She could have been more reassuring. |
I don't think the intent is to be reassuring and simply a subtle reminder that as an owner, I deserve some personal time, and in reality can do just about anything I want to, when I want to, and the membership has little say or input on the topic.
So now the large membership base is left with a huge question mark regarding their countless clicking hours, earned revenue, just when they will get it, and whether the owner is going to come back at all from that well deserved vacation.
One would think that as revenue or lack thereof is a large factor in the equation, that the owner would want to be soliciting more paid advertisors, posting more emails, generating revenue, or at the very least figured out how to do so somewhat in their abscence.
I would promptly put my account "on vacation" on January first...since there won't be any paid emails/links, one wouldn't want to get deleted for inactivity when there is no activity to be had at Annies during that time. I'm not sure of the inactivity policy at Annie's, but you never can be too careful.
| QUOTE (ginnys @ Dec 27 2003, 09:13 AM) |
| I would promptly put my account "on vacation" on January first...since there won't be any paid emails/links, one wouldn't want to get deleted for inactivity when there is no activity to be had at Annies during that time. I'm not sure of the inactivity policy at Annie's, but you never can be too careful. |
Excellent suggestion! I would imagine that just about anything could be justification for the deletion of an account, especially with very large numbers approaching the 50 payout level. If I were a member I think I would in fact do just that, and then hold my breath till the 9th, vbg.
Will the owner return from the sabbatical or not? That is the question.
Well if one WERE to be deleted during vacation mode, one CAN issue complaint to the GPTBoycott.COM. That is a serious violation of ANY program. As long as you set your vacation parameters correctly, you should not be deleted.
I got paid last week and that was many attempts and also I am a gold member
The site kept changing and I did everything I was suppose to several times
I also sent many emails that never were answered so I was suprised and delighted when I found it in my paypal account.
I was paid right before the last email so Im not quite sure if that includes all members
I wish that she would write more often to explain things like certain changes in the redemption process
I ran across the most recent last week when I hadnt been paid for a while.
I have to say I was feeling a little off when I would read how some were oaid almost immediately when they applied.
I think that I can understand someone being overwhelmed and being unorganized
I would hope it would change as they experience more.
June
The site kept changing and I did everything I was suppose to several times
I also sent many emails that never were answered so I was suprised and delighted when I found it in my paypal account.
I was paid right before the last email so Im not quite sure if that includes all members
I wish that she would write more often to explain things like certain changes in the redemption process
I ran across the most recent last week when I hadnt been paid for a while.
I have to say I was feeling a little off when I would read how some were oaid almost immediately when they applied.
I think that I can understand someone being overwhelmed and being unorganized
I would hope it would change as they experience more.
June
Doom merchants out again.
I wonder some times if some of you people actually are living a second life, and that you used to be French peasant women, during the Revolution, and used to sit doing your knitting watching the work of Madame Guillotine.
As a gold member I was paid this month, and in less than 2 weks I am already back to payout level for gold members, $5. Annie has changed the rules for gold members, we redeem on $5 every 2 weeks, works for me.
Actually forget French peasants, I can see you all now, as vultures in the desert flying high over a dying man, desperately searching for water
I wonder some times if some of you people actually are living a second life, and that you used to be French peasant women, during the Revolution, and used to sit doing your knitting watching the work of Madame Guillotine.
As a gold member I was paid this month, and in less than 2 weks I am already back to payout level for gold members, $5. Annie has changed the rules for gold members, we redeem on $5 every 2 weeks, works for me.
Actually forget French peasants, I can see you all now, as vultures in the desert flying high over a dying man, desperately searching for water
5 bucks is a lot easier to come up with than the hundreds of dollars for those who have been waiting for several months.
There are other signs besides not getting paid that us "vultures" are suspicious of, too.
There are other signs besides not getting paid that us "vultures" are suspicious of, too.
peut-etre je suis Mme Defarge 
A piti? d'? tout qui trouve plaignant une fa?on de vie
I did request on 25$. And now I have to re - submit when I reach 50$.
And Annie calls this fair? I call it B.S,
The answer whythis happens is simple and already given. There is no Cash left to pay all members. Gold members are getting paid. but non gold are not paid.
In order to get the payments running advertisments are given away for almost free. But when those 10 cent mail will be redeemed in the end, there will be no budget to pay those. Annie can only pay when members buy gold account or when the number of advertisers continue to grow,
But this growth does not happen and now the program get " overheated" and this will result in the end of this program. And lucky me(AND MANY OTHERS!!!). Clicked all links for half a year and will not be paid one single cent.
And don't say this is not the problem. Annie used to pay all members on time before. Now the period has increased to 90 days. And even that cannot be reached. The reason is very simple. There is no money left.
I do not think Annie will be back after her holidays.
And to those who have been paid in the past: congratulations!
And Annie calls this fair? I call it B.S,
The answer whythis happens is simple and already given. There is no Cash left to pay all members. Gold members are getting paid. but non gold are not paid.
In order to get the payments running advertisments are given away for almost free. But when those 10 cent mail will be redeemed in the end, there will be no budget to pay those. Annie can only pay when members buy gold account or when the number of advertisers continue to grow,
But this growth does not happen and now the program get " overheated" and this will result in the end of this program. And lucky me(AND MANY OTHERS!!!). Clicked all links for half a year and will not be paid one single cent.
And don't say this is not the problem. Annie used to pay all members on time before. Now the period has increased to 90 days. And even that cannot be reached. The reason is very simple. There is no money left.
I do not think Annie will be back after her holidays.
And to those who have been paid in the past: congratulations!
I originally was in to be paid 25 but I really like this program and it seemed more of an investment for me to take the gold membership when it was offered and it seemed like a great price
I have already doubled my money just by clicking and I was paid close to 25 last week which I made in a few short weeks so i dont think you should have that much of a problem getting to 50
If I had held out and waited i would have been there
I think with a little support this program can work
I think she needs to communicate and answer mail
She is getting better
There are plenty of programs that closed up in the night that took alot more money then 50 in the last few months
Try a little more clicking if you arent a gold member youll get there
J
I have already doubled my money just by clicking and I was paid close to 25 last week which I made in a few short weeks so i dont think you should have that much of a problem getting to 50
If I had held out and waited i would have been there
I think with a little support this program can work
I think she needs to communicate and answer mail
She is getting better
There are plenty of programs that closed up in the night that took alot more money then 50 in the last few months
Try a little more clicking if you arent a gold member youll get there
J
I hope you are right, Juniebluemon
| QUOTE |
| I think with a little support this program can work |
There are so many disillusioned people in this business.
Geldwolfje - you were absolutely right in your first post.
And unfortunately this is the same with ALL the other high paying link programs out there.
Trouble is as one falls, the same owner opens another one, gets the gold membership money and than after a couple of months.................
We know the rest!
(PS - we know the program owners too! ssshhhhhh!)
| QUOTE (romanov @ Dec 27 2003, 05:25 PM) |
| Doom merchants out again. I wonder some times if some of you people actually are living a second life, and that you used to be French peasant women, during the Revolution, and used to sit doing your knitting watching the work of Madame Guillotine. As a gold member I was paid this month, and in less than 2 weks I am already back to payout level for gold members, $5. Annie has changed the rules for gold members, we redeem on $5 every 2 weeks, works for me. Actually forget French peasants, I can see you all now, as vultures in the desert flying high over a dying man, desperately searching for water |
Doom Merchants??
Strange way of putting things.
Myself - no, not a doom merchant but someone who can see clearly through the dollar signs in my eyes!
| QUOTE (romanov @ Dec 28 2003, 01:25 AM) |
| Doom merchants out again. I wonder some times if some of you people actually are living a second life, and that you used to be French peasant women, during the Revolution, and used to sit doing your knitting watching the work of Madame Guillotine. As a gold member I was paid this month, and in less than 2 weks I am already back to payout level for gold members, $5. Annie has changed the rules for gold members, we redeem on $5 every 2 weeks, works for me. Actually forget French peasants, I can see you all now, as vultures in the desert flying high over a dying man, desperately searching for water |
It should work for you. Given that your a gold member. Isn't that one of the bennies, reach that great payout level of 5 bucks and get paid while all the rest wait in line. What did the Gold cost to begin with and how long did it take you to make your investment back? Just curious.
People are "Vultures" for wanting paid for the work they do, in a time frame of reality instead of months?
What makes up the largest part of the member base, and just whom is doing most of the work? The freebies I would imagine. I wonder if the owner could provide any data on just how many Gold members there are. The freebies work their butts off and what little capitol is available goes to the Gold, while the freebies suffer change in TOS etc etc etc and wait for months.
Sure the newbies can purchase Gold, or redeem for Gold. But after all that was the intent of raising the payout level to 50 bucks wasn't it. Redeem for Gold, and who gets the 25 to operate on?
Just what do you think would happen if ALL of the members redeemed for Gold and ALL the membership base was Gold? Just whom would get paid the 5 bucks then? Or would you then have to stand in line like the rest of the members do now and wait for your whopping 5 bucks? Does the owner go by seniority or another set of rules?
Anyway you cut it, if ALL were Gold, then many would be waiting in line just as they are now and including you.
Perhaps thats what the membership should do. Apparently it cost 29 bucks to redeem for Gold.
The site indicates in the excess of 15 thousand members. I would say it would be more than correct to estimate appx 10 thousand and probably many more are not Gold members. Of this 10000, many are no doubt between 25 and 50 dollars. Probably most have sufficient revenue to redeem for Gold. As the program owner apparently doesn't have the capitol to pay as evidenced and stated by her, then redeeming for Gold would in effect not result in any capitol gains, but essentially a reduction of debt.
Figuring a probable very low figure of 8000 members with sufficient revenue to redeem for Gold and then given the value and volume of emails sent, ALL these NEW 8000 Gold members could then in about 2 weeks request a 5 dollar payout. This would amount to 40000 dollars if my math is correct.
Could they pay the 40000 bucks in the next two weeks if everyone converted to Gold today? Thats not even counting those that would have in excess of 5 dollars after the 29 dollar Gold redemption.
Do the math!
Maybe you opened up a can of worms, or perhaps have provided valuable insight on a manner in which members could somewhat control the program to an extent.
So I guess it becomes a question of whether to continue to hope that once you reach 50 dollars you might get paid in the next 3 to 6 months, or take your losses, redeem for Gold, then if excess of 5 dollars is available immediately redeem for the cash, or at the most earn the 5 bucks in two weeks and then request your money.
Think about it?
You said it all and well
I'm your fan, read4pay2003
I'm your fan, read4pay2003
Ok, Romanov, I'll put one back on you.
So, it's ok for Gold members to LEECH free ads (that cost evenutally more than gold fee) each and every month, not putting money back into the program? And rec'v. their payouts each month? Only taking, and not giving (in SOME cases)? While the free members (who wait FOREVER) for payout put sometimes MUCH more than the original gold cost into the program? I see. You can take the refs, the FREE ads (sucking even more out of the program), and the faster payout and feel good. And sux to be a free peone member?
I get it now. Thanks.
So, it's ok for Gold members to LEECH free ads (that cost evenutally more than gold fee) each and every month, not putting money back into the program? And rec'v. their payouts each month? Only taking, and not giving (in SOME cases)? While the free members (who wait FOREVER) for payout put sometimes MUCH more than the original gold cost into the program? I see. You can take the refs, the FREE ads (sucking even more out of the program), and the faster payout and feel good. And sux to be a free peone member?
I get it now. Thanks.
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