Been reading a lot of complaints posted in this forum about different programs. Some are wnat I call real complaints. To me a complaint is made because you have been treated unfairly by a program or new changes have caused you harm.
I see some sites getting persicute by members for no realistic reason.

Lets take the top 5 favorite sites of mine.

Totally Duh
Annies
Gimmiemail
Ays
NicklesByEmail


All these sites are run by honest wm, all send a steady stream of mail to their members. Each one have super polite and hard working owners.

All of them are selling ads below cost, and all of them have done some changes to their program. From changing the type of ads to referal percentages. All of them continue to raise prices to maintain their business and reach a profit at some point in time.

But two of them are constantly attacked.

Ays because of their one time your out cheat link polocy. I rather have 3 strikes but its their right to have one. All the screaming and hate posts about it will achieve nothing. If those same members perhaps would of talk polite to the wm in the begining perhaps he might of changed it. I do believe the same members that have posted in anger and attack the wm for his policy did indeed help carve that policy into stone. Very simple when you want something you don't spit into another persons face.

Annies been under attack for making changes. Its her right to adjust the site and try to find the perfect settings. But sites themselfs need change when memberships grows. Which bring more changes. I rather see a wm trying out new things then just quit. A lot of you scream when no changes are made and a lot of you scream when changes are made.
Now its been stated annie is behind and predictions of doom a wait. To those who posted this, I say you got another ax to grind. Because a lot of sites are behind in payments, its just the way most sites work. For example totally duh, its well know this wm is behind but where are the posts screaming about this site ending?
Would be nice if members would be just fair and honest in their complaints about sites. Treat them equally but that will not happen because to many just love to post negetively and do a bash post.
All these sites pay their members, they have honest hard working wm. Problem is people get so work up over things they need to sit back and calm down. Your doing harm to ptrs that do not deserve it. It can cost them a few members and can cost them some advertising revenue. But the big thing to remember is wm read these hate complains, posts and messages. Now if you were a wm on a site trying to do the best job you can do. An you got all these unfair complaints, wouldn't you even think why am I even doing this? Why not just quit and the h*ll with this and these not so nice people.
I wouldn't blaime her or anyother wm who just quit because of this abuse of complaining.

Whatever---I think people get frustrated at the fact that they get to the $25 payout at Annies(or very close to it) and then bang---have to wait until they double their money to get paid out. Unfortunately not everybody out there has huge downlines as you do, they are clicking these links on their own and are trying to hit those payouts without that help. I feel bad for those members who are trying to make a buck and get excited when they are close to payout and get shot down with yet another TOS change. And yes, it is better to change the TOS than run!!

As for Ays---Linder has a forum for his members to complain--I think 95% of the complaints go there. His one cheat link strike and you are out is harsh--but good members who read before they click are NOT going to hit that link---they are safe!

But that is one of the nice things about having these forums---people can come to complain or ask questions. And everyone IS entitled to their opinion--and you can either agree or disagree--or NOT get involved and keep on a clicking!!!!

Great thing about life---you have a choice---you choose to make the decisions you make--but if you want advice along the way--you come here and get it.

People are not going to stop complaining or discuss problems they have, live with it.

And have a great day!

l think this the age-old problem of not being able to please all of the people all of the time.

What's good for one, is not necessarily good for another.

And also, sometimes (often, in fact), human beings actually ENJOY a good old moan.

The moan can come in many varieties, some more noisy than others.

l personally have little time for the aggressive ones - those that act out of a vindictive, spite when they attack, and never miss an opportunity to persue it. Drive their victim away, or bully them so much that they are scared to post.

l would like to see the line drawn before they get there, but ...... we each have an idea of what and where that line should be. My line will not be in the same place as yours or someone elses.


One thing comforts me, though. What goes around comes around .....




Fay

whatever---I was AGREEING with you!!!!!

It is hard to watch programs I think are excellent get dragged through the MUD or in my case the snow--- ---but programs where I may have had good experiences, others may have had bad....and vice versa---right now I am going through and using my measly earnings at programs I am in for ads and then I am out of there---why click for months for $2 and realize payout is $10....my fault for not having downlines

As for downlines---I am sure if you think so highly of these 5 programs you have promoted them and have decent downlines in all of them!! I know my favorite program I have a good downline in and I am a gold member!!

For the sake of agrument tho---when someone comes in and bashes a PO owner I know is to be very honest and kind that has great member service skills and that would do anything to help out her members---I get a bit rattled too!!! Loyalty is very important---

LOL why would you think I was upset. I said nothing to suggest I was. By the way are you by any chance a mod (same name) in a certain other forum.

Of course not!!

Most everyone knows who I am and where I am a MOD at---never been a problem before!!!

It is? LOL you learn something new everyday. I always thought it was a negetive smilely.
Sorry angi, been reading your smiles wrong.

You are right, BX, it is a wink!!!

And I, myself, am having a wonderful day---Christmas is right around the corner, my hubby can spend a few days at home before leaving to Iraq---life couldn't be grander!!!

Whatever---I am sorry if I have impuned you and your thread by adding a few words of wisdom as another member!!

I didn't think you had a problem with me being a mod---what I mean is that it has never been a problem for me to say that I am a mod at another forum!

I am not projecting anything anyway!!!! Take it as you want---what WAS this thread about anyway??? HAHAHAHA

angi ever get a feeling? For some reason I thought you might like to read this thread. Now for eggnog with brandy.

http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...0&#entry1378759

very interesting read---passed on the eggnog tho.

I know slammer/clickguy/hunter/shadow(we even used to be friends!!!!)---I do not get the thread!!!! What does that thread have to do with THIS thread---we were talking about Annie's and Ays and the way people complain about programs! one has nothing to do with the other!!!! Unless I have missed something


edited cause it is Annie's not Annir's!!! LOL

Whatever, I take offense at NBE to being compared to AYS and Annies.

I generally do NOT sell ads below cost, I just have a low click-through rate. Some eBay auctions regularly go below cost, but they are balanced by the other eBay auctions that are "no cost" advertising. The difference between NBE and oh... AprilGolds for instance... is that I'm not trying to cover $100-$500 lost for EACH email sent out with sponsor ads and banner impressions that will never make up for it. And I *increased* my referral percentages, not dropped them - and they payout is $5.00 and will *remain* $5.00. I do a careful accounting of everything that goes in and out of the program, and don't rely on things like members going inactive to make money.

AYS and Annies are HIGH MINIMUM programs. They bet on you going INACTIVE before they have to pay you. They rely on members with HUGE downlines to let everyone know they've been paid. The fact that most of their members DIDN'T go inactive was such a shock that they both raised payout. If enough members keep active and reach the payout, the SAME THING will happen. Or else, they'll make up new rules like higher click-through percentages to earn from downlines, deleting members for this and that, switching to points to anger members, etc.

I don't care how many members they have paid or how nice they are or how effective their advertising is, NBE is nothing like AYS or Annies and neither are GimmeMail and TotallyDuh for that matter. High minimums build members up with a set of expectations and in the end only HURT the industry by not following through.

Get real people, your clicks aren't worth five OR seven cents. THAT'S the real reason why you hear so many complaints - the accounting just simply doesn't work out.

- Alex

The main reason why people are complaint so much. Webmaster are not paying member on time it says on terms of service. Poor costumer service. They keep changing their payout all the time and terms of services.

back ON topic...

I still don't think NBE should be classed with the other programs. Alex is a GOOD webmaster, doesn't change his mind faster than he changes his underwear (do ya Alex?? lol) and he's honest...people aren't waiting 90 days to get paid!

Alex---I think whatever was classifying the 5 programs listed as being some of his better sites--I do not think he was trying to lump you all together as the same kind of program---I am equally satisfied with a $50 payout program as I am with a $5 payout program provided they take care of ad redemptions quickly and pay in their stated terms.

As for me---I thought this was dropped long ago when whatever threw that link at me when it had nothing to do with the subject he and I were discussing in this thread.

I do not think I was harassing whatever when we were chatting about the programs, I didn't think he was harrassing me--and when he started asking me off topic questions I asnswered them. (and I still didn't feel harassed just taken aback!

Then I replied:

I know slammer/clickguy/hunter/shadow(we even used to be friends!!!!)---I do not get the thread!!!! What does that thread have to do with THIS thread---we were talking about Annie's and Ays and the way people complain about programs! one has nothing to do with the other!!!! Unless I have missed something

And the subject layed dormant for awhile. As for a social club--the only person I know from this thread is Amy---the rest are just people that I recognize from the posts I have read.

And anyway----anyone tell me how I wasn't agreeing??? At any point did I assume anything of whatever other than try to have a nice conversation and he wanted to assume things of me?? I never ran to a mod or admin here complaining because I didn't feel harassed---funny, uh??

We should never ASSUME---cause you know what that makes us!!!!

I am now out of the conversation as I have already stated how I feel about the above programs---(period)......................

Well, I am close to payout with AYS with no downline and do have a downline with Annies, but I will say that Annie pays her members quickly. I have never waited longer than a week. She sends out lots of links and even without a downline, I think that people could make it to the minimum fairly easily in a shorter space of time than many of the other programs.

I don't like one chance cheat links on any site, because anyone can have a bad day. I'm being really careful with those one, but I don't like the assumption that just because you click on one cheat link, you're a cheater.

By the way Angie, I didn't know you were a WM. Live and learn!

Sorry Angi...I'm just a lowly clicker.

um whatever, it's not all about you all of the time.

why can't you just stick to the topic without having to mention how persecuted you are?

This was a great topic, and I would love to continue discussing it, however, it cannot be done. Whatever, I just wish that you would leave well enough alone, as you said that you would. It is getting beyond controllable and very annoying.

It seems to me as if you are crying foul whenever someone who has any association with the parties that you have a spat with try to comment on a topic that you have created. I feel as if you are discriminating against everyone else and that isn't fair.

But I am really waiting on when we can get at hand, because I am finding it incredibly difficult to have to ignore every topic that you start or that I haven seen you post in, as I am tired of the "weo is me."

This isn't meant as an attack on you, but it just seems like you don't care to just let well enough alone, as you said you would.