morpheus
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:28 am Post subject: James Montroy..... Lies!!
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It's time to set the record straight about a few things here regarding the situation between James Montroy (Jays-Paidmail) and myself.
Some of you are aware of exactly what is going on, some of you have no idea, and of course some of you do not care.
Mr Montroy is on a Mike bashing spree because i refuse to do business with him. He is making up all kinds of reasons, and all kinds of stories.
He claims that between the months of Jan 2003 and May 2003 that my sites were not hosted with him, trying to take all blame for his wrong doings off himself. His so called proof is showing that the Credit Card Payments for hosting stoped in Jan. Admittedly this is true. However. Pay Pal payments took place for the remainder of time from Jan - May 2003.
Copy's of the Subscriptions are below!
He claims that he gave me a server for free for my own sites. When in fact what happened was he gave me access to a server to sell packages for him. And he was paid for the one that i sold.
This guy is responsible for scamming thousands of dollars out of people. And regardless of what he says. He is still under investigation by the FBI for fraud. I spoke to the investigating agent in the FBI personally yesterday, and was told that by the agent conducting the investigation.
Not to mention some other interesting facts many of you do not know about Mr Montroy. Which can also be found below:
He has been asked to drop it and move on and stay out of my business. However he chooses to proceed with libelous actions that he believes will make him look better. None of it will matter once he starts receiving sentencing for the 6 charges still open in court and the 3 that are filed only at this point.
I will make this real simple for everyone to understand. I am not going to play his little game. He's a piece of crap. And if you are supporting this convicted sex offender then you have no place in any of my programs. I will delete anyone and everyone who supports him. As far as i am concerned, anyone who supports this pedophile is just as bad as he is. When i find you, i will delete your accounts with all my programs and you will not be paid one red cent.
He does not deserve the oxygen that is wasted on him on a daily basis let alone the support from other people.
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On another note. We are working on the pay out situation. We have been paying people already at a faster rate than we were before the changes were made, and we will catch up.
Please do not ask for an exact date for your payment. It is impossible to give you one at this time. But please rest assured we are going as fast as possible.
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Gee I can't understand why he's losing advertisers. Why would you want to be a member of someone who dictates to you? Tells you who and what programs to support and NOT support! He is going to far!
Full Version: Do you want to be a member of this attitude?
But don't you want to first think in his shoes? He is having bad rumours made on his business that isn't true.
OK.....I am not a member of any of mikes sites any more, and for a very good reason.
He says Jay is slandering him everywhere....well I am right on the ball when it comes to this industry, and I have seen this NO WHERE!
As for him sending out an e-mail calling Jay a pedophile and saying we all are if we support him...how dare he.....
He is whinging in one hand and doing exactly the same thing if not worse......so where is the logic in it????????
Plus he has just sent this out to his entire membership.....BAD MOVE I think.
He says Jay is slandering him everywhere....well I am right on the ball when it comes to this industry, and I have seen this NO WHERE!
As for him sending out an e-mail calling Jay a pedophile and saying we all are if we support him...how dare he.....
He is whinging in one hand and doing exactly the same thing if not worse......so where is the logic in it????????
Plus he has just sent this out to his entire membership.....BAD MOVE I think.
| QUOTE (devil666 @ Dec 3 2003, 09:16 AM) |
| But don't you want to first think in his shoes? He is having bad rumours made on his business that isn't true. |
Looks like he is starting all of this, rumors? where. I have yet to see Jay come out here and BASH Mike the way Mike did to him.
| QUOTE (moonieb @ Dec 3 2003, 09:24 AM) |
| OK.....I am not a member of any of mikes sites any more, and for a very good reason. He says Jay is slandering him everywhere....well I am right on the ball when it comes to this industry, and I have seen this NO WHERE! As for him sending out an e-mail calling Jay a pedophile and saying we all are if we support him...how dare he..... He is whinging in one hand and doing exactly the same thing if not worse......so where is the logic in it???????? Plus he has just sent this out to his entire membership.....BAD MOVE I think. |
No kidding, and since I posted what I feel about him as a webmaster that he is rude he calls it bashing and has threatened if I don't delete my account he will do so for me. I still have money he owes me in Cllixmonster, if he pays me I will go quietly, if he cheats me out of the money I earned I will NOT go quietly! I agree with you moonieb How dare he!
You know about over a year ago this guy was nice. Use to read his posts at clix forum. I even once got a pleasant pm when I ask a question, we talk a bit. A few months ago its like wow total different personality. This wm is tearing his business apart. He is point blank self destructing his good will with customers and members.
I wonder what brought about such a personality change in him.
I wonder what brought about such a personality change in him.
| QUOTE (moonieb @ Dec 3 2003, 09:24 AM) |
| OK.....I am not a member of any of mikes sites any more, and for a very good reason. He says Jay is slandering him everywhere....well I am right on the ball when it comes to this industry, and I have seen this NO WHERE! As for him sending out an e-mail calling Jay a pedophile and saying we all are if we support him...how dare he..... He is whinging in one hand and doing exactly the same thing if not worse......so where is the logic in it???????? Plus he has just sent this out to his entire membership.....BAD MOVE I think. |
Hace not been lately reading other forums, so I have no idea if jay is posting. I do agree with you on all the rest of it. If people want to be loyal to jay thats their business and their problem.(getting rip off by him) But to threaten to delete these people is just crazy.
I just got the email that is discussed here and Mike have added a second post to clarify
| QUOTE |
| Perhaps a little more clarification is needed on this. I am not saying people will be deleted for being members of Mr Montroys programs. Or promoting them. What i am saying is that any people taking part in the Mike bash fest, in The Jaydillar Forums, or anywhere else for that matter are outta here. As it does put you in violation of the TOS.? Out Of The TOS! "Rude ,Hateful or Threatening actions will result in forfiture of your account referrals and earnings! With no compensation whatsoever!" This refers to any form of those actions. You can go on and on about free speech and all that all you want. The United States has the right to free speech. Burns Online Marketing and its programs do not. Think of this as a dictatorship. And i am the dictator. And i will inforce the rules with an Iron Fist. |
Though it could be good to have it added to this thread.
edited to put color to the part where he writes that he will not delete anyone for promoting or being a member of Jays sites
MIKE I HAVE QUIT ALL YOUR STUPID PROGRAMS, NO OFFENCE BUT YOU USE TO BE A REALLY GOOD GUY, BUT NOW ONE WORD FOR YOU.....SCAMM
I just unsubscribed from the last of his sites. I may have lost some money, but it is not his place to say what sites we can and can't belong to. Just for the record, I do not support Jay, or any of their sites, but if I chose to, thats my business. I don't recall seeing anywhere in Mike's TOS that we would be deleted for belonging to any of Jay or Sherry's sites 
If Mike chooses not to allow advertising from those sites, thats his perogative, but he can not tell members they will be deleted from his sites if he finds out they belong to Jay sites!
If Mike chooses not to allow advertising from those sites, thats his perogative, but he can not tell members they will be deleted from his sites if he finds out they belong to Jay sites!
Strangely enough I could give a fat crap about what both Mike & Jay have to say about each other.
We all knew that as soon as Jay would surface, people would flock back to him. And that Jay would crank out the PR tool and use people to do it. I don't think Mike & Trayse are surprised by it nor do I think that's the problem.
The problem is when MEMBERS feel they have to pick sides, then rip apart the other. Why? Where is that coming from? What are you trying to prove by it?
WHO CARES
Mike's posts are PURELY stating:
You wanna go play on Jay's forums - fine.
You wanna try impressing a convicted criminal - fine.
You wanna click click click for the man knowing his history - fine.
But think twice before you take it upon yourself to *prove* (I guess?) your undying love to Jay & Sherry and publically badmouth Mike, Trayse and their programs with Jay & Sherry.
You wanna play kindergarten games like that, then consider yourself a non-member of burns online marketing.
That's how I read it.
He's protecting his business from child play.
And don't have a prob with it at all.
We all knew that as soon as Jay would surface, people would flock back to him. And that Jay would crank out the PR tool and use people to do it. I don't think Mike & Trayse are surprised by it nor do I think that's the problem.
The problem is when MEMBERS feel they have to pick sides, then rip apart the other. Why? Where is that coming from? What are you trying to prove by it?
WHO CARES
Mike's posts are PURELY stating:
You wanna go play on Jay's forums - fine.
You wanna try impressing a convicted criminal - fine.
You wanna click click click for the man knowing his history - fine.
But think twice before you take it upon yourself to *prove* (I guess?) your undying love to Jay & Sherry and publically badmouth Mike, Trayse and their programs with Jay & Sherry.
You wanna play kindergarten games like that, then consider yourself a non-member of burns online marketing.
That's how I read it.
He's protecting his business from child play.
And don't have a prob with it at all.
errrr ... i think someone just posted that being a member isn't a problem. mike is referring to those members choosing to engage in supporting the lies being discussed at jay's forum. and yes ... there are many untruths circulating among that crowd.
moonieb ... how on earth can you say mike is doing the same thing as jay. last time i checked, we didn't abandon our members for 6 months to get high and serve jail time. you are highly judgemental when it comes to other webmasters who abandon their sites, yet you engage in friendly conversation with jay at fyi and offer your support. that doesn't make any sense to me.
i'm sorry that so many of you are angry. but, supportive emails have been pouring into our inboxes. evidently, there are many of our members who think highly of mike's decision to take a firm stand against a registered sex offender (thief, drug abuser, etc.). i would love to post these numerous emails where everyone can view them, but unlike jay ... we do not post private communications in a public forum.
bottom line ... we truly do not wish to do business with those who support such a person.
moonieb ... how on earth can you say mike is doing the same thing as jay. last time i checked, we didn't abandon our members for 6 months to get high and serve jail time. you are highly judgemental when it comes to other webmasters who abandon their sites, yet you engage in friendly conversation with jay at fyi and offer your support. that doesn't make any sense to me.
i'm sorry that so many of you are angry. but, supportive emails have been pouring into our inboxes. evidently, there are many of our members who think highly of mike's decision to take a firm stand against a registered sex offender (thief, drug abuser, etc.). i would love to post these numerous emails where everyone can view them, but unlike jay ... we do not post private communications in a public forum.
bottom line ... we truly do not wish to do business with those who support such a person.
traysee, its not that we dont like you, we dont like what mikes is doing, but in my opinion i think mikes got you drunk or something to go along with all his plans.
SO I am guessing Trayce YOU AND mike think that you can call the shots on who and who your members can and can't sign up with on PTR! Last time I checked that was called dictating. I have seen more members delete their account because of Mikes THREATS! Again follow your own terms. YOU AND MIKE ARE IN VIOLATION OF YOUR OWN TOS!
| QUOTE (xpaysyou @ Dec 3 2003, 10:41 AM) |
| traysee, its not that we dont like you, we dont like what mikes is doing, but in my opinion i think mikes got you drunk or something to go along with all his plans. |
XpaysU I agree! I can't see anyone wanting to be dictated to. We as members are here to make money NOT get involved with all the hooplah between webmasters/webmistresses. When a webmaster/webmistresses lies to us, abuses their power we as members have a choice to voice our opinions and NOT be deleted for them.
Mike wont be around long with that hitler attitude! Just an IMHO!
| QUOTE (AMNOANGEL02 @ Dec 2 2003, 08:42 PM) |
| SO I am guessing Trayce YOU AND mike think that you can call the shots on who and who your members can and can't sign up with on PTR! Last time I checked that was called dictating. I have seen more members delete their account because of Mikes THREATS! Again follow your own terms. YOU AND MIKE ARE IN VIOLATION OF YOUR OWN TOS! |
Show me where it says he'll delete you if you're a member of Jay's programs.
Please.
| QUOTE (lukke @ Dec 2 2003, 08:10 PM) | ||
I just got the email that is discussed here and Mike have added a second post to clarify
Though it could be good to have it added to this thread. edited to put color to the part where he writes that he will not delete anyone for promoting or being a member of Jays sites |
Just thought I'd copy this here to remind everyone the part that says it's the Mike's bash fest that will get you deleted, not being a member of so and so's programs.
| QUOTE (Anonymous @ Dec 2 2003, 08:22 PM) |
| Strangely enough I could give a fat crap about what both Mike & Jay have to say about each other. We all knew that as soon as Jay would surface, people would flock back to him. And that Jay would crank out the PR tool and use people to do it. I don't think Mike & Trayse are surprised by it nor do I think that's the problem. The problem is when MEMBERS feel they have to pick sides, then rip apart the other. Why? Where is that coming from? What are you trying to prove by it? WHO CARES Mike's posts are PURELY stating: You wanna go play on Jay's forums - fine. You wanna try impressing a convicted criminal - fine. You wanna click click click for the man knowing his history - fine. But think twice before you take it upon yourself to *prove* (I guess?) your undying love to Jay & Sherry and publically badmouth Mike, Trayse and their programs with Jay & Sherry. You wanna play kindergarten games like that, then consider yourself a non-member of burns online marketing. That's how I read it. He's protecting his business from child play. And don't have a prob with it at all. |
Well I agree 100% because thats how I read it too
| QUOTE (DGE1754 @ Dec 3 2003, 05:51 AM) | ||
Well I agree 100% because thats how I read it too |
Same over here
| QUOTE (trayse @ Dec 3 2003, 10:36 AM) |
| errrr ... i think someone just posted that being a member isn't a problem. mike is referring to those members choosing to engage in supporting the lies being discussed at jay's forum. and yes ... there are many untruths circulating among that crowd. moonieb ... how on earth can you say mike is doing the same thing as jay. last time i checked, we didn't abandon our members for 6 months to get high and serve jail time. you are highly judgemental when it comes to other webmasters who abandon their sites, yet you engage in friendly conversation with jay at fyi and offer your support. that doesn't make any sense to me. i'm sorry that so many of you are angry. but, supportive emails have been pouring into our inboxes. evidently, there are many of our members who think highly of mike's decision to take a firm stand against a registered sex offender (thief, drug abuser, etc.). i would love to post these numerous emails where everyone can view them, but unlike jay ... we do not post private communications in a public forum. bottom line ... we truly do not wish to do business with those who support such a person. |
Mike has no right to tell members who they may associate with. Mike needs to stop
dictating. I don't support Jay at all. But its my God given right to do so if I wish.
Mike is not the supreme ruler of the ptr world.
| QUOTE (mreynolds1272 @ Dec 3 2003, 12:13 PM) |
| but he can not tell members they will be deleted from his sites if he finds out they belong to Jay sites! |
I think if you read it all carefully, this is not what Mike is saying..... he couldn't give a hoot if you are a member of Jays (although personally, good luck to you if you are, but don't come crying here when he screws you again), but is concerned about the bash fest going on. People are not letting up on Mike, and yet are still flocking to support Jay.... If Mike is upset, he would have his reasons. Not a single one of us here is privy to all that when on between the two of them, and right now, judgements are being made on less than all of the information.
The fact of the matter is: in the United States we are entitled to free speech. However some business owners got together and decided that when a person works for them, They are no longer in the United States but in that person's domain, which may or may not be free.
But we do have a certain recourse, we can walk away.... i did, i walked away from my job that censured my free speech and ideas, i walked away from ET's sites, i walked away from clikmonster, i walked away from the jay sites that i could bring up at the time all his junk happened, and as i get new emails from his reopening sites i'm walking away.
i am an independent contractor living in a free country. i will not be dictated to in any way shape or form that is unreasonable. The people i will support are the people that treat me as i would treat them, as an intelligent human being trying to make a living.
just walk away, it's your best form of telling them what you think of their unreasonable mandates.
But we do have a certain recourse, we can walk away.... i did, i walked away from my job that censured my free speech and ideas, i walked away from ET's sites, i walked away from clikmonster, i walked away from the jay sites that i could bring up at the time all his junk happened, and as i get new emails from his reopening sites i'm walking away.
i am an independent contractor living in a free country. i will not be dictated to in any way shape or form that is unreasonable. The people i will support are the people that treat me as i would treat them, as an intelligent human being trying to make a living.
just walk away, it's your best form of telling them what you think of their unreasonable mandates.
who in the world is mike to tell us what to do?? mike you think you can control people and tell them what to do, hello duhhh i dont think so, look around you, if i were in your shoes, id be ashamed of my self, look how many times you changed your lousy tos, and how many people are leaving your program, as far as i know, your membership drops lower and lower, before you know it everything is gone, and thats what i wish happens to you. Stop telling people what to do, i dont care who its about, if its about jay, or the owner of whatever, you have no right telling people to stop dealing with him or supporting him. personally i wont support that man jay, but you cant tell us what to do either.
sry edited for some corrections.
sry edited for some corrections.
| QUOTE (Lucky199 @ Dec 3 2003, 10:58 AM) | ||
I think if you read it all carefully, this is not what Mike is saying..... he couldn't give a hoot if you are a member of Jays (although personally, good luck to you if you are, but don't come crying here when he screws you again), but is concerned about the bash fest going on. People are not letting up on Mike, and yet are still flocking to support Jay.... If Mike is upset, he would have his reasons. Not a single one of us here is privy to all that when on between the two of them, and right now, judgements are being made on less than all of the information. |
Well perhaps if he stops deleting members who do not cheat. You cannot delete others using a rude tos clause when the wm is rude himself. Then to top it off he doesn't pay them. He can be as rude as he wants to be to someone but if a member gets fed up and tells him off. Bye bye membership and earnings. An once again we will get a excuse on how that member broke the tos.
| QUOTE (whatever @ Dec 3 2003, 12:58 PM) |
| Mike has no right to tell members who they may associate with. Mike needs to stop dictating. I don't support Jay at all. But its my God given right to do so if I wish. Mike is not the supreme ruler of the ptr world. |
Have you ever had an employment contract where you are restricted from certain types of associations? Had a consulting contract restricting your association with the competition? Owned a company which is restricted from perfoming services from certain clientele? It happens in real life, why not here?
It is Mike's right to restrict his members from undertaking activities which may harm his business.
And yes, you absolutely have the right to support Jay. No-one is saying you can't support Jay if you want to. They are only saying, if you do, there are consequences. The same way you can exercise your rights in real life, but they too, bring about their own consequences. It is your choice to weigh up your expression of rights vs. the consequences.
You think your government doesn't dictate? I can think of plenty of examples where if you exercise you 'God given right' you will suffer consequences you won't like. But, it is still your 'God given right' to make that choice, right?
Edited for typos.
| QUOTE (Lucky199 @ Dec 3 2003, 11:06 AM) | ||
Have you ever had an employment contract where you are restricted from certain types of associations? Had a consulting contract restricting your association with the competition? Owned a company which is restricted from perfoming services from certain clientele? It happens in real life, why not here? It is Mike's right to restrict his members from undertaking activities which may harm his business. And yes, you absolutely have the right to support Jay. No-one is saying you can't support Jay if you want to. They are only saying, if you do, there are consequences. The same way you can exercise your rights in real life, but they too, bring about their own consequences. It is your choice to weight up your expression of rights vs. the consequences. You think your government doesn't dictate? I can think of plenty of examples where if you exercise you 'God given right' you will suffer consequences you won't like. But, it is still you 'God given right' to make that choice, right? |
Oh brother, your off the deep end. Its a ptr, not a government. He cannot tell others who they may associate with. He doesn't have the right. This has nothing to do with protecting his business. In fact he has harm once again his business. That last email from him cost him a lot of members.
Oh that doesn't apply either.
Have you ever had an employment contract where you are restricted from certain types of associations
If course you can tell mike to again change his tos and toss that in. Don't forget the kitchen sink.
Have you ever had an employment contract where you are restricted from certain types of associations
If course you can tell mike to again change his tos and toss that in. Don't forget the kitchen sink.
| QUOTE (whatever @ Dec 2 2003, 09:11 PM) |
| Oh brother, your off the deep end. Its a ptr, not a government. He cannot tell others who they may associate with. He doesn't have the right. This has nothing to do with protecting his business. In fact he has harm once again his business. That last email from him cost him a lot of members. |
whatever...
PARTY WITH THE JAY MAN ALL NIGHT LONG IF YOU WANT TO.
That's NOT going to get you deleted.
Trashing Mike's business and trying to take it down
WILL get you deleted.
| QUOTE (whatever @ Dec 3 2003, 01:11 PM) | ||||
Oh brother, your off the deep end. Its a ptr, not a government. He cannot tell others who they may associate with. He doesn't have the right. This has nothing to do with protecting his business. In fact he has harm once again his business. That last email from him cost him a lot of members. |
I think you missed my point. Mike can dictate if he wants - it's his business and his right. He takes the consequences for that choice. He may have weighed up those consequences, he may not have, but THAT was his choice.
You can exercise your 'God given right' if you want. Its your life, your choice, but there are consequences there too.
Attack me and tell me I'm off the deep end if you like, I believe I am simply trying to point out that no-one has taken away your 'God given rights', but have simply advised you of the consequences in advance. The choice then becomes yours.
| QUOTE (whatever @ Dec 3 2003, 11:13 AM) |
| Oh that doesn't apply either. Have you ever had an employment contract where you are restricted from certain types of associations If course you can tell mike to again change his tos and toss that in. Don't forget the kitchen sink. |
i agree, this is not like contracts or anything, you are just being a member of this mikes programs for earning pennies, maybe dollars, there is no contract to this other then following the tos. and now all of a sudden mikes gets up and starts telling people if they support jay, then those members will be caught and deleted for good. that is just very wrong of this guy. thats why i quit all your babyish programs mikes. grow up.
| QUOTE (Anonymous @ Dec 3 2003, 11:14 AM) | ||
whatever... PARTY WITH THE JAY MAN ALL NIGHT LONG IF YOU WANT TO. That's NOT going to get you deleted. Trashing Mike's business and trying to take it down WILL get you deleted. |
OMG, I AM REALLY STARTING TO LAUGH AT WHAT YOU WROTE, YOUR TAKING DOWN MIKEZ SITE, THAT JUST DOESNT MAKE SENSE AT ALL. MIKE IS THE ONE WHO IS TAKING HES SITE DOWN SLOWLY, MAYBE HES NOT REALINZING THAT BUT TRUST ME SOME DAY IT WILL COME TO END. WE ARENT DOING ANYTHING TO TAKE DOWN MIKES SITE. I BELIEVE AT FIRST EVERYONE USE TO LIKE HIM, BUT NOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED FROM GOOD TO BAD.
edited for corections, sry 1 part was said backwards.
| QUOTE (xpaysyou @ Dec 2 2003, 09:20 PM) | ||||
OMG, I AM REALLY STARTING TO LAUGH AT WHAT YOU WROTE, YOUR TAKING DOWN MIKEZ SITE, THAT JUST DOESNT MAKE SENSE AT ALL. MIKE IS THE ONE WHO IS TAKING HES SITE DOWN SLOWLY, MAYBE HES NOT REALINZING THAT BUT TRUST ME SOME DAY IT WILL COME TO END. WE ARENT DOING ANYTHING TO TAKE DOWN MIKES SITE. I BELIEVE AT FIRST EVERYONE USE TO LIKE HIM, BUT NOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED FROM BAD TO GOOD. |
I was stating Mike's terms:
Trashing his program and trying to take down his programs will get you deleted.
I wasn't saying WHATEVER was taking down Mike's site, but saying IF YOU (as in a general YOU) trash his programs you're out.
I'm not going to argue with anyone about this, but I would like to say my piece.
I read that email the same way Anonymous, DGE and others read it. It wasn't about being friends with, belonging to programs or sending ads. It had to do with being at Jay's forum and bashing Mike and Trayse. People read things different ways. If someone is looking for something bad, then they will see something bad. If someone is looking objectively, they will see objectively.
I don't understand why so many take Mike's emails to heart like they do. I read my emails, click my links, search when in the mood, do my ptc and follow TOS to the best of my ability and understanding, so I just tune out his little rants as I do when my husband gets on a roll.
Yes, I do read Jay's forum, but that's about it. I like the freebies section..lol. But I have no fear whatsoever that Mike has the place staked out with little clixmonsters just waiting for a familliar name to show up so he can delete them.
This garbage is getting out of hand. What is between them should stay just that and not brought out like it has been. Jay is just as guilty as Mike is on this one. Why do members always feel as if they have to be in the middle of everything? On one side or the other? This is none of my business and I would prefer if both WM would just keep it that way.
Other than that, I happen to like Mike's program. When I've needed help, he's been cordial to me, so I don't take anything he says in his mails personally.
I read that email the same way Anonymous, DGE and others read it. It wasn't about being friends with, belonging to programs or sending ads. It had to do with being at Jay's forum and bashing Mike and Trayse. People read things different ways. If someone is looking for something bad, then they will see something bad. If someone is looking objectively, they will see objectively.
I don't understand why so many take Mike's emails to heart like they do. I read my emails, click my links, search when in the mood, do my ptc and follow TOS to the best of my ability and understanding, so I just tune out his little rants as I do when my husband gets on a roll.
Yes, I do read Jay's forum, but that's about it. I like the freebies section..lol. But I have no fear whatsoever that Mike has the place staked out with little clixmonsters just waiting for a familliar name to show up so he can delete them.
This garbage is getting out of hand. What is between them should stay just that and not brought out like it has been. Jay is just as guilty as Mike is on this one. Why do members always feel as if they have to be in the middle of everything? On one side or the other? This is none of my business and I would prefer if both WM would just keep it that way.
Other than that, I happen to like Mike's program. When I've needed help, he's been cordial to me, so I don't take anything he says in his mails personally.
Just wondering here how old you all are who are making such a stink about this. It doesnt appear to me that you have any real life experience in what a company "can or can not" do. Any company can make up conditions or rules. You all keep saying "he cant" well guess what Mike did..LOL
He has the right to do what he sees fit is in the best interest of his business. If you dont agree just walk away.
Maybe for some of you english isnt your first language maybe you flunked english who knows but I think most of you that are whinning need to take a breathe and read carefully all Mike has said....and
**drum roll please**
You dont like it leave if you aint in the program dont join. Otherwise why keep going on and on. Just grab a nice BIG cup of STFU and enjoy
He has the right to do what he sees fit is in the best interest of his business. If you dont agree just walk away.
Maybe for some of you english isnt your first language maybe you flunked english who knows but I think most of you that are whinning need to take a breathe and read carefully all Mike has said....and
**drum roll please**
You dont like it leave if you aint in the program dont join. Otherwise why keep going on and on. Just grab a nice BIG cup of STFU and enjoy
| QUOTE (Anonymous @ Dec 3 2003, 11:25 AM) | ||||||
I was stating Mike's terms: Trashing his program and trying to take down his programs will get you deleted. I wasn't saying WHATEVER was taking down Mike's site, but saying IF YOU (as in a general YOU) trash his programs you're out. |
OK WHATEVER, I SAID WE ARENT THE ONE TRASHING HIS SITE, HE IS, EVENTUALLY HE WILL NOTICE, AND HE'S SAD LITTLE BUSINESS WILL COME TO AN END. WHY WOULD I TRASH HIS SITE, OK FINE IM ALREADY OUT, I DONT NEED TO JOIN SOME CRAP PROGRAMS LIKE HE'S.
| QUOTE (Lucky199 @ Dec 3 2003, 11:17 AM) | ||||||
I think you missed my point. Mike can dictate if he wants - it's his business and his right. He takes the consequences for that choice. He may have weighed up those consequences, he may not have, but THAT was his choice. You can exercise your 'God given right' if you want. Its your life, your choice, but there are consequences there too. Attack me and tell me I'm off the deep end if you like, I believe I am simply trying to point out that no-one has taken away your 'God given rights', but have simply advised you of the consequences in advance. The choice then becomes yours. |
He cannot dictate, when such conflicts with citizens laws of their country.
I don't care for Jay nor will I party with him. But those that do support him have the God given right to do so. An they have their countries laws supporting this personal choice. Muke cannot dictate to his members concerning free speach. If they wish to post a complaint, thats their right. With out fear of him oppresing their free speach with such threats.
Vailid complaints are worth listening to, but if your so loyal that you don't care that honest members get their accounts deleted because a wm has the temper of a 2 year old thats your problem.
| QUOTE (xpaysyou @ Dec 2 2003, 09:20 PM) |
| I BELIEVE AT FIRST EVERYONE USE TO LIKE HIM, BUT NOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED FROM GOOD TO BAD. |
I think that Mike's showing an edgier self lately too. And I think it's because he's really trying to pull things together. And members are showing an edgier side to Mike because we're waiting too long for our money. One kinda feeds off the other. Basically edginess all the way around.
When everyone starts getting paid faster again, everyone (including Mike & Trayse) will lose some of that edginess. And I know Mike & Trayse are perceptive enough to know that.
But hey, I'll take Mike and his crabbiness ANYTIME over a PO who likes crack and kiddies.
But that's just me!
| QUOTE (DGE1754 @ Dec 3 2003, 11:27 AM) |
| Just wondering here how old you all are who are making such a stink about this. It doesnt appear to me that you have any real life experience in what a company "can or can not" do. Any company can make up conditions or rules. You all keep saying "he cant" well guess what Mike did..LOL He has the right to do what he sees fit is in the best interest of his business. If you dont agree just walk away. Maybe for some of you english isnt your first language maybe you flunked english who knows but I think most of you that are whinning need to take a breathe and read carefully all Mike has said....and **drum roll please** You dont like it leave if you aint in the program dont join. Otherwise why keep going on and on. Just grab a nice BIG cup of STFU and enjoy |
He doesn't have the right to steal honest members money by deleting their accounts because he cannot control his temper.
| QUOTE |
| Have you ever had an employment contract where you are restricted from certain types of associations |
I have but normally I sign a confidentiality and a conflict of interest agreement up front, not after a year with a company. But this actually has no bearing on this thread.
Mike NEVER said that he would delete you for having an account with Jay. He said that if you go on the forums and join the bashfest against Mike and in support of Jay, your account would be deleted. Please re-read the forum post at Clixmonster before posting assumptions.
As far as Jay not coming here and bashing against Mike, he doesn't have to he sends messengers to post his e-mails and also has Sherry posting for him.
| QUOTE (whatever @ Dec 3 2003, 01:28 PM) |
| He cannot dictate, when such conflicts with citizens laws of their country. I don't care for Jay nor will I party with him. But those that do support him have the God given right to do so. An they have their countries laws supporting this personal choice. Muke cannot dictate to his members concerning free speach. If they wish to post a complaint, thats their right. With out fear of him oppresing their free speach with such threats. Vailid complaints are worth listening to, but if your so loyal that you don't care that honest members get their accounts deleted because a wm has the temper of a 2 year old thats your problem. |
Guess what, yes, he can. It is the right of a business owner to make up rules. You don't like it, you can walk, your choice. Their money, their investment, their rules are their choice.
I think you totally miss the point of what I am saying, so I give up even bothering.
| QUOTE (Anonymous @ Dec 2 2003, 09:30 PM) |
| But hey, I'll take Mike and his crabbiness ANYTIME over a PO who likes crack and kiddies. But that's just me! |
Well another one I agree 100% with ya
| QUOTE (Lucky199 @ Dec 3 2003, 11:17 AM) | ||||||
I think you missed my point. Mike can dictate if he wants - it's his business and his right. He takes the consequences for that choice. He may have weighed up those consequences, he may not have, but THAT was his choice. You can exercise your 'God given right' if you want. Its your life, your choice, but there are consequences there too. Attack me and tell me I'm off the deep end if you like, I believe I am simply trying to point out that no-one has taken away your 'God given rights', but have simply advised you of the consequences in advance. The choice then becomes yours. |
| QUOTE |
| Attack me and tell me I'm off the deep end if you like, I believe I am simply trying to point out that no-one has taken away your 'God given rights', but have simply advised you of the consequences in advance. The choice then becomes yours. |
How is saying your off the deep end attacking you? It means you have taken things so far to the right that they have come a full 360*
Seems you want it both ways. You say no one has taken away rights but if you do it their are consequences.
Thats threating others not to do something a wm doesn't like or your account will be deleted. Its not illegal, its not cheating, its not agains the tos, and its not sane.
| QUOTE (Lucky199 @ Dec 3 2003, 11:37 AM) | ||
Guess what, yes, he can. It is the right of a business owner to make up rules. You don't like it, you can walk, your choice. Their money, their investment, their rules are their choice. I think you totally miss the point of what I am saying, so I give up even bothering. |
Are you a adult? Lets me inform you right now no business can make any rules that breaks a counties laws.
| QUOTE (whatever @ Dec 3 2003, 01:44 PM) | ||||
Are you a adult? Lets me inform you right now no business can make any rules that breaks a counties laws. |
*sigh*
As I said, I give up.
| QUOTE (Lucky199 @ Dec 3 2003, 11:52 AM) | ||||||
*sigh* As I said, I give up. |
Why give up, gain knowledge on federal business laws contract workers.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=...G=Google+Search
Thats only a start then do the same with the bill of rights, legislative laws,common laws, state laws, and judical court findings. I am sure I miss a bunch but its a begining.
What country's laws are you looking up? Mike is in Canada not the US.
*edited for typo
*edited for typo
Apparently, it would seem we have here the generic "catfight" being waged on the internet in which Morpheus has decided to use his members email database as a captive audience.
This is not a matter of deciding who is right and who is wrong.
First and foremost, it is an abuse of the program's opt-in member's mailing list to which said catfight is being sent to.
Second, the language and demeanour of Morpheus is a language most foul and reflects much on his charactor, and, by extension, his program. Consequently the decison to wage cyber-war, and it does not matter if it is to defend one's self against the words of Jay Dillar, reflects a nasty quality of the webmaster, and hence, his inherent interests for his program's members.
No, I would not join such a program, nor have I in the past.
Morpheus; stop this behavior, WAKE-UP from the Dream You Procreated; wake-up I commend thee!
One entry found for Morpheus.
Main Entry: Mor?pheus
Pronunciation: 'mor-fE-&s, -"fy?s, -"f?s
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from Greek
: the Greek god of dreams
This is not a matter of deciding who is right and who is wrong.
First and foremost, it is an abuse of the program's opt-in member's mailing list to which said catfight is being sent to.
Second, the language and demeanour of Morpheus is a language most foul and reflects much on his charactor, and, by extension, his program. Consequently the decison to wage cyber-war, and it does not matter if it is to defend one's self against the words of Jay Dillar, reflects a nasty quality of the webmaster, and hence, his inherent interests for his program's members.
No, I would not join such a program, nor have I in the past.
Morpheus; stop this behavior, WAKE-UP from the Dream You Procreated; wake-up I commend thee!
One entry found for Morpheus.
Main Entry: Mor?pheus
Pronunciation: 'mor-fE-&s, -"fy?s, -"f?s
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from Greek
: the Greek god of dreams
| QUOTE (No1duckie @ Dec 3 2003, 12:03 PM) |
| What country's laws are you looking up? Mike is in Canada not the US. *edited for typo |
It was my understanding that a foreign business on the internet such as ptrs must follow the laws of the countries they do business with. Just like say coca-cola has their company branches in other countries. They have to follow their host country laws.
It's sad to see how the predicted return of Jay & Sherry has caused such a rift.
I have to say I'm not one to hold a grudge, I can give people a second chance (maybe?). But in this easy come and easy go business I know I have better options out there than to go back to any of Jay's programs. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.
And I for one am going to give Mike the benefit of the doubt, not Jay. Mike has been around from the beginning. Mike has worked to make his program endure the ever changing GPT industry. Mike has make mistakes and in my opinion he has responded strongly and properly to those mistakes, and none of the mistakes he's made have been as disastrous and as bad as Jay's. Mike has made changes to his TOS, but any business owner who doesn't make the necessary changes to keep his business alive doesn't deserve to be in business. I believe Mike's goal is to keep his programs profitable for members and owners alike. If it means he has to make the hard changes, then so be it.
I support you, Mike.
To those who don't support Mike, c'ya, I strongly encourage you to leave(or get deleted for bashing Mike) at any time as it will help me and those who support Mike get paid that much faster. THANK YOU!!!!
I have to say I'm not one to hold a grudge, I can give people a second chance (maybe?). But in this easy come and easy go business I know I have better options out there than to go back to any of Jay's programs. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.
And I for one am going to give Mike the benefit of the doubt, not Jay. Mike has been around from the beginning. Mike has worked to make his program endure the ever changing GPT industry. Mike has make mistakes and in my opinion he has responded strongly and properly to those mistakes, and none of the mistakes he's made have been as disastrous and as bad as Jay's. Mike has made changes to his TOS, but any business owner who doesn't make the necessary changes to keep his business alive doesn't deserve to be in business. I believe Mike's goal is to keep his programs profitable for members and owners alike. If it means he has to make the hard changes, then so be it.
I support you, Mike.
To those who don't support Mike, c'ya, I strongly encourage you to leave(or get deleted for bashing Mike) at any time as it will help me and those who support Mike get paid that much faster. THANK YOU!!!!
| QUOTE |
| I will make this real simple for everyone to understand. I am not going to play his little game. He's a piece of crap. And if you are supporting this convicted sex offender then you have no place in any of my programs. I will delete anyone and everyone who supports him. As far as i am concerned, anyone who supports this pedophile is just as bad as he is. When i find you, i will delete your accounts with all my programs and you will not be paid one red cent. |
Did some of you miss THAT part?
It's fine to adjust, AFTER THE FACT, and send a 2nd mail saying..."oops, I MEANT anyone bashing Mike's" but seriously, does anyone believe the above quote meant bashing?
Gimme a break, Mike was ANGRY, he email in anger and said EXACTLY what he meant at the time. Anyone "supporting found to be supporting Jay, will be found and deleted".
I am convinced that, once again, Trayse had to come to the rescue and cover for Mike's temper. Thus the 2nd email.
What upsets me about this thread is the implication that I am too stupid to understand what Mike wrote in the first email and not bright enough to see the back pedalling in the 2nd.
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