| QUOTE (Saxodelic @ Nov 30 2003, 04:31 PM) |
| Hi this isn't a discussion or a debate, It's just a poll, if you're not a Christian you don't have to reply, I was just wondering how many people here have accepted Jesus as their Lord and are born again Christians? I am ! |
| QUOTE (MandyMooCow @ Dec 1 2003, 05:21 PM) |
| I've accepted Jesus as my Lord...havent been to Church in about a year...probably dont follow the Bible much...what most Church-goers would call a 'backslider'. |
| QUOTE (Lancer Sykera @ Dec 2 2003, 01:04 AM) |
| And freeandeasy, that picture might not be offensive for it's religious meaning more than the meaning of a part of that picture: the fish. It is well known that the fish symbol represents the virgin mary's, well, her v*gina. It's well known in the atheist world, anyway. Maybe because atheists actually look at all that bad stuff in Christianity and point it out when nobody else wants to step up to the plate. I don't mean to offend anyone personally, but Christians preach morality, yet they plaster that all over the place... Kinda hypocritical, don't you think? |
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| The fish symbol "was so revered throughout the Roman empire that Christian authorities insisted on taking it over, with extensive revision of myths to deny its earlier female-genital meanings...Sometimes the Christ child was portrayed inside the vesica, which was superimposed on Mary's belly and obviously represented her womb, just as in the ancient symbolism of the Goddess." The symbol itself, the eating of fish on Friday and the association of the symbol with deity were all taken over by the early Church from Pagan sources. Only the sexual component was deleted. |
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| In China, Great Mother Kwan-yin often portrayed in the shape of a fish In India, the Goddess Kali was called the "fish-eyed one" In Egypt, Isis was called the Great Fish of the Abyss In Greece the Greek word "delphos" meant both fish and womb. The word is derived from the location of the ancient Oracle at Delphi who worshipped the original fish goddess, Themis. The later fish Goddess, Aphrodite Salacia, was worshipped by her followers on her sacred day, Friday. They ate fish and engaging in orgies. From her name comes the English word "salacious" which means lustful or obscene. Also from her name comes the name of our fourth month, April. In later centuries, the Christian church adsorbed this tradition by requiring the faithful to eat fish on Friday - a tradition that was only recently abandoned. In ancient Rome Friday is called "dies veneris" or Day of Venus, the Pagan Goddess of Love. Throughout the Mediterranean, mystery religions used fish, wine and bread for their sacramental meal. In Scandinavia, the Great Goddess was named Freya; fish were eaten in her honor. The 6th day of the week was named "Friday" after her. In the Middle East, the Great Goddess of Ephesus was portrayed as a woman with a fish amulet over her genitals. |
| QUOTE (wvufan68 @ Dec 2 2003, 08:55 AM) |
| I do my best to be a 24/7 Christian. I try to live my life to the best of my ability as a Christian example. No, I don't run around preaching at others and spouting off my faith, but I believe that people know what type of person we are by our words and actions. I attend services at each and every opportunity, because that gives me the chance to learn more from others that I may not have known. I can ask questions of other Christians of things I may not understand completely. I don't just take other's words as "law." I ask questions then do my own studying on the matter. I try to study my Bible daily, and pray for the guidance and wisdom to understand better. Lately though, the study part hasn't been the case, unfortunately. I've let other things take me away from that aspect. I don't judge others by their beliefs. That is not my purpose here on Earth. I don't get offended by other's beliefs, or "symbols" used by those of another faith. Lately, here in the US, things have gotten crazy when it comes to "religious symbols." Certain government officials and courts seem to think that any little thing that MAY be offensive to someone of a different faith, or those who have no religious faith at all, has got to be eliminated. An example: I don't celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ, simply because I have found nowhere in the scriptures that specifies what day of the year Christ was born. I can't say that it isn't the day of his birth, but at the same time, I can't say for certain that it is. All the scriptures specify about the day, is that the shepards had their flocks in the fields, which points me more towards the warmer time of the year. (THIS IS JUST MY OPINION AFTER STUDYING THE MATTER. THIS IS NOT POSTED AS FACT.) Just a little disclaimer there..lol But, I do not get offended by others displaying their nativity scene at Christmas time, simply because they have a right to believe as they choose and to celebrate Christ's life as they choose. No court or official should be able to take that right away from them just because a passerby may find that display offensive. No, I don't feel my rights should be put above those of others, but don't take away my right to worship in my own way, and put another's rights above mine either. Sorry this is so long. This has just burned my bum lately how government officials are so terrified of one person being offended that they are taking away the rights of others to worship and believe freely. And don't jump my rump and say that I'm trying to force my beliefs on others by my statements, because I'm not. I'm no more important in this world than anyone else. I just don't think taking God out of society for those of us who believe is the answer to the world's problems. |
| QUOTE (Lancer Sykera @ Dec 2 2003, 11:50 AM) |
| From what I know, December 25th became a great Christian celebration because in one of those ancient civilizations, Roman I think, when they were persecuted, everyone else was out getting drunk and partying because the solstice meant the days would be getting longer, and therefor didn't bother with the Christians, they were too busy partying. How it ended up being the day Christ was born I do not know, but based on what I know of the above, IMHO it's extremely doubtful that he was born at any time near Christmas. |
| QUOTE (MandyMooCow @ Dec 2 2003, 01:42 PM) |
| If you do some research on Xmas and Easter, they both have their roots in pagan festivals. Easter is named after Eostre (not sure how to spell it!), she was a goddess of fertility and her symbol was the egg. As for Xmas, It was a celebration for some god or other, Zeus or Ra or something (LOL sorry Im not clear on exact facts!) and the Christians where allowed to use it to celebrate Christs birthday - NOT that the Bible says that we should celebrate the birth of Christ, even though it was such a central event! Once again I could be mistaken, but I seem to remember hearing that Christ was born late September/early October. I LOVE Jesus, but I cant stand to go to Church and so much that has been totally influenced by Satan - very frustrating Not to get into too many contentious issues here, but for those of you who are Catholic - why can you pray to or through Mary? She was the mother of Jesus, not Jesus! There is even a verse in the Bible where Mary and some of Jesus' brothers were standing outside a town he was preaching in, and when someone told Him that they were there, He said something regarding how all mankind are his family, not just them. I dont recall any importance being bestowed upon Mary as a figure of adoration? Also my only 'Father' is my Father in Heaven; some man cannot be my father and is as flawed as I am, therefore I dont think he has special powers or insight that will enable him to forgive my sins if I confess to him! I'm not being self-righteous and saying that I know everything and am 100% correct - just something I've been wondering about |
| QUOTE (MandyMooCow @ Dec 2 2003, 02:42 PM) |
| If you do some research on Xmas and Easter, they both have their roots in pagan festivals. Easter is named after Eostre (not sure how to spell it!), she was a goddess of fertility and her symbol was the egg. As for Xmas, It was a celebration for some god or other, Zeus or Ra or something (LOL sorry Im not clear on exact facts!) and the Christians where allowed to use it to celebrate Christs birthday - NOT that the Bible says that we should celebrate the birth of Christ, even though it was such a central event! Once again I could be mistaken, but I seem to remember hearing that Christ was born late September/early October. I LOVE Jesus, but I cant stand to go to Church and so much that has been totally influenced by Satan - very frustrating Not to get into too many contentious issues here, but for those of you who are Catholic - why can you pray to or through Mary? She was the mother of Jesus, not Jesus! There is even a verse in the Bible where Mary and some of Jesus' brothers were standing outside a town he was preaching in, and when someone told Him that they were there, He said something regarding how all mankind are his family, not just them. I dont recall any importance being bestowed upon Mary as a figure of adoration? Also my only 'Father' is my Father in Heaven; some man cannot be my father and is as flawed as I am, therefore I dont think he has special powers or insight that will enable him to forgive my sins if I confess to him! I'm not being self-righteous and saying that I know everything and am 100% correct - just something I've been wondering about |