When I first saw EmailTrafficKingdom come out I was very excited about it and I believed that it had a lot of potential, so I went to work promoting it like crazy and now have 2,130 referrals (see earnings report below). Everything was going great, they were sending a lot of emails and I was being paid, but now things have gone WAY downhill.
Before I start with my complaint, I want to make it clear to ALL of you that even though I may have a large amount of referrals in programs, doesn't mean that I or anyone like me are off the hook for clicking the links and I PERSONALLY CLICK EVERY SINGLE LINK THAT I RECIEVE AND FREQUENTLY GO INTO PAID TO CLICK SECTIONS TO CLICK. Other program owners can vouch for me if they'd like.
EmailTrafficKingdom's new policy is that for every cash out, you must accrue $1.00 in personal clickthru earnings alone. Now I would be fine and dandy with that if it were $1.00 total, not $1.00 per cashout. This is extremely unfair and even more unjustified. I myself have personal clickthru minimums on a few of my sites, but they are $0.50 to $0.80 total (one time). This $1.00 a cashout business is just wrong and can do no good other than to serve one purpose, which is getting out of having to pay members who have worked hard and spent A LOT of money in getting referrals and clicking ALL the links (YES, I HAVE CLICK EVERY ONE).
So now, if EmailTrafficKingdom sends 1 or 2 cents worth of links a day, I cannot cashout for 2 months or MORE, rather than allowing me to cashout in a week or even just a couple days.
I'm interested in hearing others' perpectives on this situation, I for one am VERY angry that ALL of my work and money have gone down the drain as a result of greed and laziness and I believe this is extremely unfair and COMPLETELY UNJUSTIFIED.
Here are my program stats:
Paid Email Clickthrus: $1.5625
Credits: $5.0000
Sign Up Bonus -- $5.0000
Debits: $51.7500
$10 Cash payout -- $10.0000
$10 Cash payout -- $10.0000
$10 Cash payout -- $10.0000
$11.75 Cash Out -- $11.7500
$10 Cash payout -- $10.0000
Your Referrals:
Tier 1: (392 Total Referrals)
Tier 2: (248 Total Referrals)
Tier 3: (218 Total Referrals)
Tier 4: (319 Total Referrals)
Tier 5: (431 Total Referrals)
Tier 6: (215 Total Referrals)
Tier 7: (122 Total Referrals)
Tier 8: (113 Total Referrals)
Tier 9: (44 Total Referrals)
Tier 10: (8 Total Referrals)
Total Earnings: $14.5125
Full Version: EmailTrafficKingdom - $1 per cashout
it is not $1 per cashout,but $1 per "$10" cashout
[ 06-02-2002, 06:28 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
[ 06-02-2002, 06:28 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
btw, I went from $2~3 down to $-1.4350
Total Earnings: $-1.4350
[ 06-02-2002, 06:27 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
Total Earnings: $-1.4350
[ 06-02-2002, 06:27 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
ppprk Your Total Earnings: $-1.4350 are because of the 1200+ members that were delteld for have more than one account and some had earning and it has deducted it from your account which you have been paid twice total $20 which some came from the members that were cheating.
Plus I send out more than just 1 cent emails and members also earn from the paid to clicks so taking a money to earn a $1 in not true. You only have to have $1 per payout so wether you ask for $10 or $20 dollars you only need to earned $1 your self.
Yes Chris you have a large downline form your members that belong long to your site and have been paid over $50 already so the $1 per payment I feel is fair. I am still waiting payment from you myself if I was to be honest.
Richard
Plus I send out more than just 1 cent emails and members also earn from the paid to clicks so taking a money to earn a $1 in not true. You only have to have $1 per payout so wether you ask for $10 or $20 dollars you only need to earned $1 your self.
Yes Chris you have a large downline form your members that belong long to your site and have been paid over $50 already so the $1 per payment I feel is fair. I am still waiting payment from you myself if I was to be honest.
Richard
You said "$1 per $10"
http://www.getpaidforum.com/ultimatebb.php...c;f=79;t=000027
http://www.getpaidforum.com/ultimatebb.php...c;f=79;t=000027
quote:
All members that claim for their $10 cash payment must have earned $1 per $10 they claim you cannot claim just from your referrals earnings (other site request as much as $3)
Sorry it is correct in the TOC I was tired with the hassle I have had IT IS $1 Per PAY OUT
btw,I think this does not affect me much
I earned $2.1550 myself already
Paid Email Clickthrus: $2.1550
Credits: $5.0000
Sign Up Bonus -- $5.0000
Debits: $20.0000
$10 Cash payout -- $10.0000
$10 Cash payout -- $10.0000
Total Earnings: $-1.4350
[ 06-02-2002, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
I earned $2.1550 myself already
Paid Email Clickthrus: $2.1550
Credits: $5.0000
Sign Up Bonus -- $5.0000
Debits: $20.0000
$10 Cash payout -- $10.0000
$10 Cash payout -- $10.0000
Total Earnings: $-1.4350
[ 06-02-2002, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
holy cow you guys have alot of referrals! I think it's pretty fair if you have that many. I don't have to worry about getting $1 per cashout because I don't have alot of referrals. Maybe if I was in your shoes I'd think different, I don't know lol
$1 is not that bad
MailForCash has $2.50.....MUCH WORSE
MailForCash has $2.50.....MUCH WORSE
$1 per cashout is not bad.
MailForCash-$2.50 "per $10 cashout" not "per cashout"
To get $20 you must earn $5 yourself
[ 06-02-2002, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
MailForCash-$2.50 "per $10 cashout" not "per cashout"
To get $20 you must earn $5 yourself
[ 06-02-2002, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: ppprk ]
You know what? All these minimums are ridiculous .. why? Just because webmaster gets his money in advance, before sending out the ads. So he must have the money to pay out to members ..
Why then they set the minimums so high? I don't get it .. The purpose of PTR programs is to get satisfied as members as advertisers .. as far as I've seen most of the members are not satisfied with this kind of programs .. and the quality of clicks go down.
I don't see any point in making the rule like member own clicks. If he has got a really good downline, that can earn him great money, what's the problem? Webmasters should think how much money they have saved by not promoting their sites. If they are not ready to pay referral earnings, why do they make the ref. systems so 'good'?
[ 06-02-2002, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: 3a3 ]
Why then they set the minimums so high? I don't get it .. The purpose of PTR programs is to get satisfied as members as advertisers .. as far as I've seen most of the members are not satisfied with this kind of programs .. and the quality of clicks go down.
I don't see any point in making the rule like member own clicks. If he has got a really good downline, that can earn him great money, what's the problem? Webmasters should think how much money they have saved by not promoting their sites. If they are not ready to pay referral earnings, why do they make the ref. systems so 'good'?
[ 06-02-2002, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: 3a3 ]
i think that arrangement is pretty fair chris i dont know why ure making such a big deal out of it.
Chris what you paid your members to join my site you have been getting back (I have paid you $50+ already) Plus your ad for CASHevolution I never charge you for and you have not answer my emails about this fully to the problems you have in paying the members $8 for signup and me $2 so I will be giving the members your address so you can deal with their problems with this sign up.Plus also your email saying that you think all my members are lying or cheating as you said. I have paid you when you have asked and then you try to course me problems when I have enough all ready. I thought that webmaster were to work together but this is not the case with you. Please do not promote any of my sites as it cost you which seems to upset you when you earn it back from your down line any way.
Which in one way you are calling you members lying or cheating as over half of my members are from your sites.
Yeah? You little punk... You -
1) Took a lot of possible referrals
2) Reap all the money from ETK
3) Whine about having to do a few clicks!
Personally, you are just a lazy nut who can't even spend 2 minutes each day earning. I think that's absolutely crazy. Haha, your programs pay about $0.001 per each link he sends out, so you should be earning enough already and not spending your time complaining. You're earning the same amount! So why does he care if you has to wait a couple weeks longer to get some earnings of your own? I personally have about 50 direct and indirect referrals total and am doing fine. If you are so greedy, than that's too bad for you. COMPLETELY UNJUSTIFIED? You oughta be kicked out of ETK if you can't click anything yourself. The program was designed for everyone to read the emails and click the banners and if you don't want to have to do that, than DON'T! Just leave...
Richard - You're doing a great job, keep it up!
1) Took a lot of possible referrals
2) Reap all the money from ETK
3) Whine about having to do a few clicks!
Personally, you are just a lazy nut who can't even spend 2 minutes each day earning. I think that's absolutely crazy. Haha, your programs pay about $0.001 per each link he sends out, so you should be earning enough already and not spending your time complaining. You're earning the same amount! So why does he care if you has to wait a couple weeks longer to get some earnings of your own? I personally have about 50 direct and indirect referrals total and am doing fine. If you are so greedy, than that's too bad for you. COMPLETELY UNJUSTIFIED? You oughta be kicked out of ETK if you can't click anything yourself. The program was designed for everyone to read the emails and click the banners and if you don't want to have to do that, than DON'T! Just leave...
Richard - You're doing a great job, keep it up!
Oh yeah Chris:
I easily earned $1.00 by myself in 2 weeks. If you are taking 2 or more months to earn a measly $1.00, than you are apparently NOT doing a lot of clicking, like you claim to be doing.
Sorry, you don't know what you are taking about.
Chris - you are making SUCH A BIG DEAL over a $1.00. One dollar! You are truly being pathetic.
I easily earned $1.00 by myself in 2 weeks. If you are taking 2 or more months to earn a measly $1.00, than you are apparently NOT doing a lot of clicking, like you claim to be doing.
Sorry, you don't know what you are taking about.
Chris - you are making SUCH A BIG DEAL over a $1.00. One dollar! You are truly being pathetic.
Well, obviously you didn't read any of my post...
(not to mention you are one of the rudest people I have ever encountered).
Plus, I guess you didn't even bother to look at my personal clickthrus, HALF of my post was spent explaining that I click EVERY link and frequently go in to click the paid to click links (except there aren't even any to click, so it does no good towards getting more clickthrus)
Am I whining about doing clicks??? I don't think so, I am saying that the new rule is unfair because it is not possible to get that many personal clickthrus in amount of less than 2 or 3 weeks at best.
(not to mention you are one of the rudest people I have ever encountered).
Plus, I guess you didn't even bother to look at my personal clickthrus, HALF of my post was spent explaining that I click EVERY link and frequently go in to click the paid to click links (except there aren't even any to click, so it does no good towards getting more clickthrus)
Am I whining about doing clicks??? I don't think so, I am saying that the new rule is unfair because it is not possible to get that many personal clickthrus in amount of less than 2 or 3 weeks at best.
You're telling me that if you had spent a large amount on advertising a program and that you click every link and banner that you would not be upset the least bit that instead of being paid once every 3 or 4 days that you wouldn't be paid until once every 2 or 3 weeks?
3a3: You've got my point exactly, the money belongs to the members, so why won't it just be given to the members when they've earned it?
Racrowder:
1. I started this thread a constructive critism conversation as to something that I don't feel is fair to me or to people who have worked hard to get referrals, but now you have just stooped to levels of unproffessionalism and rudeness that I would have never expected to come from you. Sending out a PAID EMAIL for the only purpose of trying to slander me AND my paid email sites??? Or at least getting your hardcore members to do it for you. I had a lot more respect for you and I am in awe that you would actually stoop to that level. Look at MulahMail when they did that...
How many members do they have now? 1600, 1700?
2. Now you are bringing a totally seperate conversation/topic in, in order to try to discredit me. I have answered ALL of your questions about the problems with my CASHevolution paid signup offer on your site, as first I believed that I had recieved no signups to CASHevolution even though many signup reports were sent to me from you, I thought that it was just the work of one person entering in random information, yes it happens. But now, AS I EMAILED YOU AND TOLD YOU, CASHevolution has admitted that there was a downline tracking problem that must be fixed manually by having members email them telling them who should be under them and above them. I am personally in contact with EVERY single person who has made a signup claim and am instructing them as to how to fix the situation, please email me privately and I will give you my login information for cashevolution and you can see my downline report for yourself.
Yes, you didn't charge me because paid to signup ads are not charged for listing...
It's just not the way it works. When someone signs up, you get paid and they get paid.
It is obvious and sad that you have introduced this topic for the sole purpose of trying to discredit me and bring me down and as I said before I thought more highly of you than that.
As far as you waiting for a payment, you either never requested one, it was accidentily deleted, or you were already paid. This is just yet another topic that has nothing to do with our conversation and is clear that it was introduced by you to try and hint that I don't pay.
Racrowder:
1. I started this thread a constructive critism conversation as to something that I don't feel is fair to me or to people who have worked hard to get referrals, but now you have just stooped to levels of unproffessionalism and rudeness that I would have never expected to come from you. Sending out a PAID EMAIL for the only purpose of trying to slander me AND my paid email sites??? Or at least getting your hardcore members to do it for you. I had a lot more respect for you and I am in awe that you would actually stoop to that level. Look at MulahMail when they did that...
How many members do they have now? 1600, 1700?
2. Now you are bringing a totally seperate conversation/topic in, in order to try to discredit me. I have answered ALL of your questions about the problems with my CASHevolution paid signup offer on your site, as first I believed that I had recieved no signups to CASHevolution even though many signup reports were sent to me from you, I thought that it was just the work of one person entering in random information, yes it happens. But now, AS I EMAILED YOU AND TOLD YOU, CASHevolution has admitted that there was a downline tracking problem that must be fixed manually by having members email them telling them who should be under them and above them. I am personally in contact with EVERY single person who has made a signup claim and am instructing them as to how to fix the situation, please email me privately and I will give you my login information for cashevolution and you can see my downline report for yourself.
Yes, you didn't charge me because paid to signup ads are not charged for listing...
It's just not the way it works. When someone signs up, you get paid and they get paid.
It is obvious and sad that you have introduced this topic for the sole purpose of trying to discredit me and bring me down and as I said before I thought more highly of you than that.
As far as you waiting for a payment, you either never requested one, it was accidentily deleted, or you were already paid. This is just yet another topic that has nothing to do with our conversation and is clear that it was introduced by you to try and hint that I don't pay.
Haha - I am one of the rudest people? I find that humorous, considering how you can say someone elses program is bad when your CAC's are awful - they are horrible and I hate them. You are only there to take all the advertising money yourself. Why don't you send higher paid mails like ETK instead of those crappy $0.0001 mails you send?
Yes, I would actually rather build up a store of money and then cash it out. And by the way, you are quite the liar! You claim to have clicked every banner, e-mail, etc... and it is taking you 2 months to earn $1.00? Why, I EASILY earned $1.00 in a week and a half clicking on everything. If you're going to say something, don't lie.
P.S. Do you realize how much whining everyone is doing over a buck? If you spent half the time at a real job instead of whining at this forum, you would have made much more. I'm not sure you can see that....
P.S.S. If you are going to complain that this rule is unfair - just leave! Why earn at a place that you don't like? Let us have a good time without you spoiling it for us all, OK? Thank you.
Yes, I would actually rather build up a store of money and then cash it out. And by the way, you are quite the liar! You claim to have clicked every banner, e-mail, etc... and it is taking you 2 months to earn $1.00? Why, I EASILY earned $1.00 in a week and a half clicking on everything. If you're going to say something, don't lie.
P.S. Do you realize how much whining everyone is doing over a buck? If you spent half the time at a real job instead of whining at this forum, you would have made much more. I'm not sure you can see that....
P.S.S. If you are going to complain that this rule is unfair - just leave! Why earn at a place that you don't like? Let us have a good time without you spoiling it for us all, OK? Thank you.
Ooooh! Fight!! FIGHT!!!
I can't say I disagree with having a minimum but
you have to base it on what you send.
Another 135 cents worth of clicks and i'll get paid again $10.
I have clicked on every link provided to me and now I won't get paid for a good while.
Paid Email Clickthrus: $0.6500
Credits: $5.0000
Debits: $10.0000
10 Cash Patout -- $10.0000
Tier 1: (81 Total Referrals)
Tier 2: (129 Total Referrals)
Tier 4: (70 Total Referrals)
Tier 5: (25 Total Referrals)
Total Earnings: $17.8500
you have to base it on what you send.
Another 135 cents worth of clicks and i'll get paid again $10.
I have clicked on every link provided to me and now I won't get paid for a good while.
Paid Email Clickthrus: $0.6500
Credits: $5.0000
Debits: $10.0000
10 Cash Patout -- $10.0000
Tier 1: (81 Total Referrals)
Tier 2: (129 Total Referrals)
Tier 4: (70 Total Referrals)
Tier 5: (25 Total Referrals)
Total Earnings: $17.8500
HAHA!
I'm sending $0.0001 links!? Geesh, no wonder I'm getting so many members, people just love to click on $0.0001 links. Before trying to slander my programs you could at least try being a member first or even looking at how much the links are worth if you are. My sites send emails worth the same amounts or more as ETK, with the exception of MAYBE emailearners.
I have not lied about anything. As I said in my post, if they send 1 cents worth of emails a day it will take 2 months for $1, 2 cents it'll take 1 month, etc...
Do you even know what we're talking about??
No one is whining about a buck, as a mater of fact no one is whining at all. What I have said in a constructive conversation, which you have turned into a childish argument.
And for your information, yes, I have a real job.
Ya, I'll just leave, GREAT IDEA!
Just forget about all the money I've spent advertising and all the referrals and just leave, what a great idea.
If you had that many referrals and a program and a small rule that you did not like or that you felt was not very fair would you unsubscribe?
Exactly.
There's one thing that you just can't seem to get, I am not whining and I am not complaining. We are adults here and we all act like adults, but you are not, you seem to think this is some my daddy could beat your daddy up wrestling match, but it's not. I am voicing my opinion at a rule that I don't like or appreciate, but you or racrowder just can't seem to understand that.
I'm sending $0.0001 links!? Geesh, no wonder I'm getting so many members, people just love to click on $0.0001 links. Before trying to slander my programs you could at least try being a member first or even looking at how much the links are worth if you are. My sites send emails worth the same amounts or more as ETK, with the exception of MAYBE emailearners.
I have not lied about anything. As I said in my post, if they send 1 cents worth of emails a day it will take 2 months for $1, 2 cents it'll take 1 month, etc...
Do you even know what we're talking about??
No one is whining about a buck, as a mater of fact no one is whining at all. What I have said in a constructive conversation, which you have turned into a childish argument.
And for your information, yes, I have a real job.
Ya, I'll just leave, GREAT IDEA!
Just forget about all the money I've spent advertising and all the referrals and just leave, what a great idea.
If you had that many referrals and a program and a small rule that you did not like or that you felt was not very fair would you unsubscribe?
Exactly.
There's one thing that you just can't seem to get, I am not whining and I am not complaining. We are adults here and we all act like adults, but you are not, you seem to think this is some my daddy could beat your daddy up wrestling match, but it's not. I am voicing my opinion at a rule that I don't like or appreciate, but you or racrowder just can't seem to understand that.
Karen is right, if a member clicks on every link sent to them, and they have promoted and gotten referrals and reached the minimum payout, why can't they be paid?
THIS IS STUPID! With all due respect. GROW UP!
I have only been a member of Email Traffic Kingdom LESS than a month and have $1.50+ of PERSONAL CLICKTHREWS
Chris,
How many cheaters do you have in your program?? Or have you bothered to look??
IF you are not happy with EMAIL TRAFFIC KINGDOM.
QUIT!!!
IF you have so many wonderful, honest members, why are you advertising on other sites?? NOT GETTING THE SIGN UPS!! lol
If you are unhappy you should of brought it to Richards attention instead of trying to BASH his program. He sent out an email to all of us saying if we werent happy we could QUIT HIS PROGRAM!
He never told us to quit any of YOURS!! This is Childish to say the least. YOU are being totally Unprofessional. There is millions of people in the world to join BOTH yours and Richards programs. You run yours your way, he will run his his own way. Let the Members Decide.
LETS STOP this non sense!
Cyber shake hands, Work together to Help each other! Help each other make real money and dont worry about $1.00. Members of both programs would probably PAY YOU $1.00 to Stop the non sense!
I have only been a member of Email Traffic Kingdom LESS than a month and have $1.50+ of PERSONAL CLICKTHREWS
Chris,
How many cheaters do you have in your program?? Or have you bothered to look??
IF you are not happy with EMAIL TRAFFIC KINGDOM.
QUIT!!!
IF you have so many wonderful, honest members, why are you advertising on other sites?? NOT GETTING THE SIGN UPS!! lol
If you are unhappy you should of brought it to Richards attention instead of trying to BASH his program. He sent out an email to all of us saying if we werent happy we could QUIT HIS PROGRAM!
He never told us to quit any of YOURS!! This is Childish to say the least. YOU are being totally Unprofessional. There is millions of people in the world to join BOTH yours and Richards programs. You run yours your way, he will run his his own way. Let the Members Decide.
LETS STOP this non sense!
Cyber shake hands, Work together to Help each other! Help each other make real money and dont worry about $1.00. Members of both programs would probably PAY YOU $1.00 to Stop the non sense!
Ok, first and foremost Chris Hooligan is not the site with the 100th, and 1000th of a cent links, that is a different webmaster named Chris, so please stop accusing him of that.
2nd, It is really not needed to name call, in my house when that happens you are charged a quarter. Really. There are far better ways for adults to communicate without falling back to the language skills of a 3 year old.
And 3rd, using your memberbase to EVER slam another webmaster or member is unacceptable.
Chris brought up a policy used by a few sites, and that is personal earnings to cash out.
Some are reasonable, you need to have SOME personal earnings to get your money, that is to help the click through count.
But to say a member is lazy because they are relying on their downlines to earn is absurd. It takes a lot of hard work getting a referral base large enough to do that. Chris works hard to promote sites he believes in, he buys paid ads on other sites. I know, he has bought advertising from me for this several times. He pays his members promptly, does not have an unattainable payout level, and has always always been ethical in his dealings for as long as I have known him.
Bringing up a practice that can actually punish people for promoting a site is not a crime.
Nor is being successful at promoting and building a downline. Please stop treating it as such.
Mary
2nd, It is really not needed to name call, in my house when that happens you are charged a quarter. Really. There are far better ways for adults to communicate without falling back to the language skills of a 3 year old.
And 3rd, using your memberbase to EVER slam another webmaster or member is unacceptable.
Chris brought up a policy used by a few sites, and that is personal earnings to cash out.
Some are reasonable, you need to have SOME personal earnings to get your money, that is to help the click through count.
But to say a member is lazy because they are relying on their downlines to earn is absurd. It takes a lot of hard work getting a referral base large enough to do that. Chris works hard to promote sites he believes in, he buys paid ads on other sites. I know, he has bought advertising from me for this several times. He pays his members promptly, does not have an unattainable payout level, and has always always been ethical in his dealings for as long as I have known him.
Bringing up a practice that can actually punish people for promoting a site is not a crime.
Nor is being successful at promoting and building a downline. Please stop treating it as such.
Mary
shoot i wish I had that many referrals lol...... your good!!! rofl
The email that I sent to members was not to trash you Chris was to give members the choice if they were not happy with my site to leave.
I think I still belong to some of your sites I have not checked and will still read your paid emails. I just put the rule in as a fair way, so members know that everyone is clicking it was not against you or your sites.
I did not want this to end up like a fight but you decided to put up you post About the new rule to see what people you could get to back you.
My members have the choice that the can stay or leave as it say in TOC that they may be updated by carring on usering the services the you agree by the terms if not then you unsubscribe.
I think I still belong to some of your sites I have not checked and will still read your paid emails. I just put the rule in as a fair way, so members know that everyone is clicking it was not against you or your sites.
I did not want this to end up like a fight but you decided to put up you post About the new rule to see what people you could get to back you.
My members have the choice that the can stay or leave as it say in TOC that they may be updated by carring on usering the services the you agree by the terms if not then you unsubscribe.
Well I guess I may as well speak my mind on this subject.
1.I am a member of programs for both webmasters here that are fussing.
2. I think that you both are doing a good job.
3. As webmasters you should show each other respect and kindness.
4. Every person is entitled to their opinion that is what this forum is for. If you did not want feed back either of you then you should not have joined the forum as a support member.
5.I personally don't think that dirty laundry should be put into emails that you get paid for or don't get paid for. If members for either site wanted to read what was going on then they themselves would visit the forum and read it at will.
6. I can understand both sides of this disagreement that is going on. I want to get paid but I also understand having a minimum to earn first.
7. Maybe after emft has had time to rest after having to do so much work on his site and getting so angry about what has happened to his site in the last couple of days then he will review his decissions and rethink them.
8. Chris part of being a kind person (and I am sure you are) and being a webmaster yourself you should understand the stress and anger that is invovled when you find someone has tried to scam you or your programs and maybe should have waited a couple of days to give your constructive critism then it may have been taken in a different light.
9.If either of you can't get along then I agree that maybe you should just unsubscribe from each others programs and move on to something better.
10.EmailTraffic you brought up that you had not been paid by Chris then you should PM him with your information and have him check into it for you in that mannor. I am sure he would respond in a timely fashion as you would if someone had the same problem with your site.
I am sorry this is so long but I felt the urge to type tonight. Here are smiles for both of you.
1.I am a member of programs for both webmasters here that are fussing.
2. I think that you both are doing a good job.
3. As webmasters you should show each other respect and kindness.
4. Every person is entitled to their opinion that is what this forum is for. If you did not want feed back either of you then you should not have joined the forum as a support member.
5.I personally don't think that dirty laundry should be put into emails that you get paid for or don't get paid for. If members for either site wanted to read what was going on then they themselves would visit the forum and read it at will.
6. I can understand both sides of this disagreement that is going on. I want to get paid but I also understand having a minimum to earn first.
7. Maybe after emft has had time to rest after having to do so much work on his site and getting so angry about what has happened to his site in the last couple of days then he will review his decissions and rethink them.
8. Chris part of being a kind person (and I am sure you are) and being a webmaster yourself you should understand the stress and anger that is invovled when you find someone has tried to scam you or your programs and maybe should have waited a couple of days to give your constructive critism then it may have been taken in a different light.
9.If either of you can't get along then I agree that maybe you should just unsubscribe from each others programs and move on to something better.
10.EmailTraffic you brought up that you had not been paid by Chris then you should PM him with your information and have him check into it for you in that mannor. I am sure he would respond in a timely fashion as you would if someone had the same problem with your site.
I am sorry this is so long but I felt the urge to type tonight. Here are smiles for both of you.
I still don't get what all the fuss is about the $1.00 personal clickthrus.
Isn't it just encouraging everyone to participate? Isn't it "get paid to read" or "get paid to click"? Isn't it up to the webmaster to set the terms of their programs?
I am not trying to disrespect anyone here.
Why would anyone want me in their downline if I didn't participate? Why would I want a downline that didn't participate? Isn't that defeating the whole purpose?
Otherwise we should call it a get paid to read/click and sit on you butt and do nothing program. Then no one will get paid.
Am I missing the point of this argument?
Isn't it just encouraging everyone to participate? Isn't it "get paid to read" or "get paid to click"? Isn't it up to the webmaster to set the terms of their programs?
I am not trying to disrespect anyone here.
Why would anyone want me in their downline if I didn't participate? Why would I want a downline that didn't participate? Isn't that defeating the whole purpose?
Otherwise we should call it a get paid to read/click and sit on you butt and do nothing program. Then no one will get paid.
Am I missing the point of this argument?
I think $1 per cashout could be a lot, make it somethin like You have to have clicked at least 50% of all the paid email links since the day you joined. maybe that would be too hard for the webmaster to keep track of all the paid links, and the days people join??? I dunno, I don't own a CAC, but they should keep the date every member joined, and then keep track of every paid link sent out... oh and remember some members don't get all the paid emails, emailisformoney had a problem with this and the mailer thing... That means if the member doesn't get the paid email, then they don't have a way of getting closer to the $1 personal clicks... woop I won't have to worry, I have 0 referals about about $7 almost, .
Erick
Erick
Wow ... this has been an interesting little thread to read. And since I'm in between a couple tasks here, I'll add my rudimentary comments.
Simply, imo, if a gptr webmaster wishes to place a minimum amount of "clicking" effort standard to follow ... and that standard is "reasonable" ... then that seems fair. In this way, there is a set goal for each and every member of the gptr program to attain to .... in this case at ETK that has been set at $1 worth of personal clicks. With minimum payment being $10 ... effort for referrals then comes into play.
For example, if it takes one month to attain the minimum $1 clicking standard, a member with NO referral base will obviously be eligible for the $10 payout ... in 10 months. But if the member has a referral base ... and after they have attained their personal minimum ... if the strength of the referral base boosts their earning to the minimum payout ... then they are eligible for that payout. Thusly, the member is being rewarded both for their personal "clicking" efforts within the program ... plus their efforts for building up the referral base for the program.
The size of the referral base then only determines the extent of the member's efforts in attaining that referral base .... after, of course, they themselves have gained the personal minimum clicking efforts ($1). Therefore, some members with a small referral base will obviously have smaller referral rewards than members with a much larger referral base ... but what does remain constant between the two, is that each has to attain the same personal clicking effort first ... to be paid.
If every member "clicks" all the links in paid emails regularly ... they in effect should reach their minimum click amount in the same amount of time ... and after that occurs ... size of payment is reflected through efforts made in building the referral base.
Just my thoughts ... a little long winded maybe ... but I was on a break. Carry on all!
Simply, imo, if a gptr webmaster wishes to place a minimum amount of "clicking" effort standard to follow ... and that standard is "reasonable" ... then that seems fair. In this way, there is a set goal for each and every member of the gptr program to attain to .... in this case at ETK that has been set at $1 worth of personal clicks. With minimum payment being $10 ... effort for referrals then comes into play.
For example, if it takes one month to attain the minimum $1 clicking standard, a member with NO referral base will obviously be eligible for the $10 payout ... in 10 months. But if the member has a referral base ... and after they have attained their personal minimum ... if the strength of the referral base boosts their earning to the minimum payout ... then they are eligible for that payout. Thusly, the member is being rewarded both for their personal "clicking" efforts within the program ... plus their efforts for building up the referral base for the program.
The size of the referral base then only determines the extent of the member's efforts in attaining that referral base .... after, of course, they themselves have gained the personal minimum clicking efforts ($1). Therefore, some members with a small referral base will obviously have smaller referral rewards than members with a much larger referral base ... but what does remain constant between the two, is that each has to attain the same personal clicking effort first ... to be paid.
If every member "clicks" all the links in paid emails regularly ... they in effect should reach their minimum click amount in the same amount of time ... and after that occurs ... size of payment is reflected through efforts made in building the referral base.
Just my thoughts ... a little long winded maybe ... but I was on a break. Carry on all!
Ditto everything that 7848176 said.
And, "why can't we all just get along?!"
Yikes...
And, "why can't we all just get along?!"
Yikes...
Chris - Looking back at my previous post, I do agree that they were a bit childish, but yours were too. The last few post have been completely true from the other members who are now chipping in - this issue is completely stupid and it needs to be resolved NOW. Some sort of agreement needs to be reached, as this is becoming destructive to each program.
Yes, I do read your e-mails from your CAC's.
Chris - This not about earning the dollar anymore, it is about the time of payout for you. You just want to be paid sooner, and of course most people would want to, but patience is the key. Keep in mind you are earning the same amount
As said from previous posts, myself and other people are easily earning $1.00 in no time whatsoever, so make sure you do EVERYTHING possible to earn at ETK.
If you feel this $1.00 rule is too unfair to you, even though you earn the same amount, then just ask to leave the program. You can go to another similar program that pays like this one if you can find it.
Thanks,
Rishav Kohli
Yes, I do read your e-mails from your CAC's.
Chris - This not about earning the dollar anymore, it is about the time of payout for you. You just want to be paid sooner, and of course most people would want to, but patience is the key. Keep in mind you are earning the same amount
As said from previous posts, myself and other people are easily earning $1.00 in no time whatsoever, so make sure you do EVERYTHING possible to earn at ETK.
If you feel this $1.00 rule is too unfair to you, even though you earn the same amount, then just ask to leave the program. You can go to another similar program that pays like this one if you can find it.
Thanks,
Rishav Kohli
Thanks for the interesting read it has been appreciated . I enjoyed the playful banter in this thread :-)
I don't have Chris's problam but here is two thing:
1. Chris- you will be paid once a month with a big amount so what bad with it? in my country people are getting their salary in this way(once a month) but here you not required to work all the month to get your salary(I don't call to clickings on emails "a work")
2. Richard- like Erick saids, why not to do a minimum of percents to be paid and not a minimum of clicktrus to be paid? if you(and other webmaster with clicktrue rule) do that everyone will be happy:)
1. Chris- you will be paid once a month with a big amount so what bad with it? in my country people are getting their salary in this way(once a month) but here you not required to work all the month to get your salary(I don't call to clickings on emails "a work")
2. Richard- like Erick saids, why not to do a minimum of percents to be paid and not a minimum of clicktrus to be paid? if you(and other webmaster with clicktrue rule) do that everyone will be happy:)
I have seen every ones posts and have listern to my members and have decided that the $1 rule will stay, it seems fair for everyone. I am sorry Chris it upsets you so much, and if you do not want to agree by the terms then you can always unsubcribe as it says.
The reason I started ETK was so people got paid and advertisers got good clicks to me that sounds a good arrangement for all.
You are welcome to make post on the portal site if you like as I do not take off comments that I am not happy with. As being English I beleive we all have the freedom of speech.
The reason I started ETK was so people got paid and advertisers got good clicks to me that sounds a good arrangement for all.
You are welcome to make post on the portal site if you like as I do not take off comments that I am not happy with. As being English I beleive we all have the freedom of speech.
I recently signed up for email traffic kingdom, and everything was fine until just 2 days ago. They wanted me to re-sign up to verify my email addy, but I could not get the link to work in my IE browser. I copied and pasted, even hand typed the url in my searchbar and kept getting error messages. Tried Netscape, same thing.
Now am on a friends aol and was able to hand type the url, got to sign up page and it tells me it doesn't recognize my username.
I have written them about not being able to log in to the confirmation page, but have not heard anything from them. I let them know just last night I could get in on aol's browser, but have not heard back and it seems my account is deleted?
Anyone else have same trouble?
Now am on a friends aol and was able to hand type the url, got to sign up page and it tells me it doesn't recognize my username.
I have written them about not being able to log in to the confirmation page, but have not heard anything from them. I let them know just last night I could get in on aol's browser, but have not heard back and it seems my account is deleted?
Anyone else have same trouble?
QUOTE (marvinko @ Jun 3 2002, 09:22 AM)
If every member "clicks" all the links in paid emails regularly ... they in effect should reach their minimum click amount in the same amount of time ... and after that occurs ... size of payment is reflected through efforts made in building the referral base.
No actually this is not true. While a reasonable amount in personal click throughs is fair, a percentage of links sent would be far better.
We have over 3.00 in personal click throughs. We have clicked EVERY link. I have even went through the emails links page and clicked all those in case we missed any, not something I enjoyed doing, because so many had already been visited.
Now..
We have 22.00 to redeem, but can only get 10.00 of it because we have already cashed out twice.
By the time we get to another 1.00 in personal clicks, we will be at OVER 22.00 and again will only be able to cash out 10.00
so in fact though we have MANY referrals we will only be able to get earnings from a certain number of those. EVER. We have absolutly no incentive to promote this, as we will not ever see any earnings from new referrals. When you have 100% participation and still cannot get your full earnings, it is not a fair policy.
QUOTE (Emaillionairesemail @ Sep 22 2002, 11:00 PM)
We have 22.00 to redeem, but can only get 10.00 of it because we have already cashed out twice.
By the time we get to another 1.00 in personal clicks, we will be at OVER 22.00 and again will only be able to cash out 10.00
By the time we get to another 1.00 in personal clicks, we will be at OVER 22.00 and again will only be able to cash out 10.00
no,you will get $20
$1/cashout (not $1/$10 cashout)
I have alot of referrals at EMTK I have 618 last time I bothered counting. I like Richards program I rate it one of the best and most interesting. I dont mind waiting. I have been paid 3 times since I joined from the beginning. Keep up the good work Richard and stick to your guns, I enjoy your program as is.
THANK YOU!
Finally someone understands!
Now, months later from when this discussion started, it is 5x harder to cashout than it was before as the number of emails has dropped rapidly and considerably.
Recently after about a month or two I was able to cashout again, but to my shagrin I only recieved $10 of the almost $25 I had in my account. As Mary said, with this rule, ETK always has $15 of my money which I've earned, but which I will never be able to get. (not to mention when I emailed them about this I received no reply...)
But alas, I guess nothings perfect...
Finally someone understands!
Now, months later from when this discussion started, it is 5x harder to cashout than it was before as the number of emails has dropped rapidly and considerably.
Recently after about a month or two I was able to cashout again, but to my shagrin I only recieved $10 of the almost $25 I had in my account. As Mary said, with this rule, ETK always has $15 of my money which I've earned, but which I will never be able to get. (not to mention when I emailed them about this I received no reply...)
But alas, I guess nothings perfect...
QUOTE (ppprk @ Sep 22 2002, 11:07 PM)
QUOTE (Emaillionairesemail @ Sep 22 2002, 11:00 PM)
We have 22.00 to redeem, but can only get 10.00 of it because we have already cashed out twice.
By the time we get to another 1.00 in personal clicks, we will be at OVER 22.00 and again will only be able to cash out 10.00
By the time we get to another 1.00 in personal clicks, we will be at OVER 22.00 and again will only be able to cash out 10.00
no,you will get $20
$1/cashout (not $1/$10 cashout)
No that's not true, not according to what they are doing. I got $10 once I got $1 in personal clicks and I had more than $20 in my account.
Didn't racrowder say $1/cashout? ===>
http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/index.p...f=2&t=1114&st=0
Racrowder said
QUOTE
Sorry it is correct in the TOC I was tired with the hassle I have had IT IS $1 Per PAY OUT
Well I guess he's not following his rules.
I think some people are missing the point on how this whole thing works!
You get paid to read Emails from PAYING Advertisiers.
If you dont click the links. there is a poor clickthrew rate
If there is a poor click threw rate,
Advertisiers are not happy
If Advertisers are NOT happy they wont come back
and then ALL the Referrals in the world are not going to help you
Because there will BE NO Paid Emails.
Its just like a job.
You are expected to do work for your paycheck
How long do you think you would contiue to get a pay check IF
You Never did any work!
$1.00 for Every $10.00 thats not unreasonable.
At your job for every hour you work do they pay you for 8?
You get paid to read Emails from PAYING Advertisiers.
If you dont click the links. there is a poor clickthrew rate
If there is a poor click threw rate,
Advertisiers are not happy
If Advertisers are NOT happy they wont come back
and then ALL the Referrals in the world are not going to help you
Because there will BE NO Paid Emails.
Its just like a job.
You are expected to do work for your paycheck
How long do you think you would contiue to get a pay check IF
You Never did any work!
$1.00 for Every $10.00 thats not unreasonable.
At your job for every hour you work do they pay you for 8?
Okay,this is getting boring so i'll add my 2 cents.....
The rule sticks,if you dont like it...too bad.Suffer in silence and keep clicking.Hey,its not like your lives actually depend on the $10 you receive from ETK!!!
This pettiness is getting out of hand.Click the links and wait to be paid....its that simple.
The rule sticks,if you dont like it...too bad.Suffer in silence and keep clicking.Hey,its not like your lives actually depend on the $10 you receive from ETK!!!
This pettiness is getting out of hand.Click the links and wait to be paid....its that simple.
Chris You are making it seem unfair HOWEVER what you dont post is that you have had ONLY $3.11 In personal click threws and you have been paid 9 Times a total of $121.95.
The minimum Cash Out is $10.00 and requires $1.00 In personal Click Thrus. If your amount is more than the $10.00 you can requst Payment of Full Amount by emailing me. Example: If your account is $22.05 and You have Met Your $1.00 in Personal Click threws then send me a email saying Hey Richard Can I request my payout of $22.05 Please
Thanks Richard
The minimum Cash Out is $10.00 and requires $1.00 In personal Click Thrus. If your amount is more than the $10.00 you can requst Payment of Full Amount by emailing me. Example: If your account is $22.05 and You have Met Your $1.00 in Personal Click threws then send me a email saying Hey Richard Can I request my payout of $22.05 Please
Thanks Richard
I have a slightly different question: Are clicks in the P2C section considered personal click-thrus?
I go everyday and check the eMail links, and click anything I haven't seen before. This does mean that most of the links in the eMails are invalid for me, but I like seeing them all listed in one place and getting them all done at once - I like P2C much better than I like eMails!
But still, I've been a member for 6 weeks, and only have $1.65 in personal click-thrus; if I build up my downline, it will take longer to cashout.
I go everyday and check the eMail links, and click anything I haven't seen before. This does mean that most of the links in the eMails are invalid for me, but I like seeing them all listed in one place and getting them all done at once - I like P2C much better than I like eMails!
But still, I've been a member for 6 weeks, and only have $1.65 in personal click-thrus; if I build up my downline, it will take longer to cashout.
HI
Your Question P2C section considered personal click-thrus?
Yes they are the only thing on the site that is not is Paid 2 Sign up
Thanks Richard
Your Question P2C section considered personal click-thrus?
Yes they are the only thing on the site that is not is Paid 2 Sign up
Thanks Richard
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