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FamilyAffair
Click4Cents forces members to use their current earnings to redemn for advertising or upgrade membership before September 22 where by they will reset all members earnings.

Purchases of gold/silver memberships can only be made by cash from now onwards.

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My first change was to discontinue the points purchase of the GOLD and SILVER memberships as I prefer that to be a cash purchase. The second change is a little more complicated, so again, bare with me and read all of the plan. It involves the resetting of the cash earnings to zero for all the members on September 22, 2002. Now before everyone gets too upset with that, let me explain further. Between now and then, the membership will have the oppurtunity to spend their cash earnings on advertising and/or Gold or Silver memberships. That will be 2 weeks time to decide what to do with your cash earnings, preferably a shorter time. If you do not have enough earnings to cover the costs, you may also combine it with Paypal payments for the difference. This of course will need to be coordinated. As of 12 AM EST, September 22, I will no longer allow the cash earnings to be used and will perform the reset. That process may take a few days since I haven't as of yet looked into how I ca
n do that, and since it may require doing it member by member, you can see where it would take a few days to complete since the membership is well over 7000.
lene
tell me again why people would wanna click the links from the redemptions if the cash they would make there will just be reset anyways?
flora
I hate this change...........
I have $10.00 in my click4cents account totally......

Personcal click: $4.40 something
SignUp bonus: $6.00

I think i may use the balance to convert to ad. and then unsubscribe........
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tuttologist
I have asked CASH redemption on August 11. I have asked POINTS redemption on August 15. No answer (and no money) from Denise ah.gif
FamilyAffair
$6 sign-up bonus?? I thought $3??

Yea.. if the new owner drop the minimium cashout to something like $5 or less, then it is not so bad.

However what the new owner is doing, also means stripping all the old sign-up bonus & we must start earning at a lower amount, $0.00 towards the $10 cash redemption again.
enivid
QUOTE (lene @ Sep 7 2002, 09:16 AM)
tell me again why people would wanna click the links from the redemptions if the cash they would make there will just be reset anyways?

Maybe he's going to send out redemption paid e-mails after the money reset?
ayumi6926
Oh~My God!!!

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what on earth!
BaroqueXena
My sentiments exactly.

I earned $8.30 without a dowline and was with them from the beginning. The previous owner should have sorted this out before selling, all redemptions.
lene
i redeemed my signup bonus for a paid email to 500 and she wrote me back to get my adcopy but she never sent it out.
b21jpv
am.gif This is such BULL ****. I am already a gold member with

You have directly earned: $ 5.1650
You have earned from your Downline: $ 0.5760
Your account balance after all transactions: $ 8.7410
You have directly earned: 3,450Points
You have earned from your Downline: 851Points
Total available points after all transactions: 4,301Points
Downline Count
#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10
5 53 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total: 61

Now I have to start al over again am.gif


What happens when someone sells there site? Do they make aragments to give the new webmaster some money to pay of the members or dose the old webmaster just take the money and run?

Whats is the deal made.

I wish every body that belongs to these programs, when a new wbmaster dose this that all of us whould just quite and not sign up again and then maybe these idiots whould think twice about screwong us over. What a jerk!! am.gif
princessbbf2
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I am sure these changes are not making the membership happy, but since I am the owner now, I am willing to only make cash-outs for earnings produced under my ownership. I will try to send as many emails out as possible with paid links, may they be point ads or cash. I am also joining as an affiliate multiple pay per click search engines which will provide paid links in emails using the dreaded "search" links. I will also be providing multiple weekly Ebay auctions with specials such as combinations of ads and memberships. The links on the main page have been reset also, there are currently 3 $15 and 3 $5 links, which are to be paid monthly. These are to be filled on a 1st come 1st serve basis, so if you want your text link added please email webmaster@click4cents.com and we will get your advertising started as soon as possible.


More from the same email.



So, I guess we can look forward to plenty of search mails too. ar.gif
flora
Hi....FamilyAffair..........Yeah....I've got $6.00 signup bonus from the previous webmaster (Denise).......I don't know what had happened before....I had written an email to her......also, put a post in here.......but she hadn't fixed this error (I think this is an error....!!!) before she left..........

I don't have any referral........I earned all my Click4cents balance on my own......heh.........

Totally......I have got 3,390 points, $6.00 sign up bonus and $4.50 personal clicks.........

All will become to "$0" by 22 September 2002........... am.gif ah.gif aj.gif
Ty Why
When you buy a company you take over the debt of that company. If you want to start at zero you should buy a brand new site!!! C4C was the first site I joined and was in my top 5 programs. Now it at the bottom(I mean the basement!!) and I will get my ads and quit!!! Badbye not even a goodbye from me!!!!! Over 7.00 and 3000 points!!!
TishaReina
It's my feeling that this site should be listed on the GPT Boycott site.. this is a site that does not pay and he stated publicly he's not paying us.

I am upset as ######.. I clicked on every one of those links myself saving for a gold membership.. Thank God, I didn't go gold on this site! I am sorry for all of those of you that did :*(

For me, it's an indicator of Denise's honesty that she didn't have anything in a contract dealing with this issue. But then she'd already taken my 3.00 bonus without giving me the raffle tickets.. <was redeemed BEFORE the sale began> so I guess "birds of the feather".... Maybe, I shouldn't be surprised at all at this outcome.
Niels
This is really crap, and i thought i had found a keeper.
kglaser
We have all been really screwed here.

Tisha, you BET this is going to be discussed on GPTBoycott--boycott is fine with me, too--I'm going there right now before I calm down!
BaroqueXena
Here's a link to the thread if anyone else wants to add their 2 cents worth:

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread...s=&threadid=975
ppprk
QUOTE (enivid @ Sep 7 2002, 09:47 AM)
QUOTE (lene @ Sep 7 2002, 09:16 AM)
tell me again why people would wanna click the links from the redemptions if the cash they would make there will just be reset anyways?

Maybe he's going to send out redemption paid e-mails after the money reset?

they are already sending paidemails ah.gif
TishaReina
I just received an email from him as well.

Now, how many people does he expect to click on that link when he's already said he's taking the money back later this month?

At best, it's insulting to our intelligence....

Kglaser I filled out GPTBoycott's complaint form earlier today. The Click4Cents webmaster has already been sent an email from them.

They do good work there, huh? aa.gif
b21jpv
am.gif I just deleted 12 e-mails from this JERK and I won't be clicking on any emails from this site. ar.gif
GRL VenCap
QUOTE (ppprk @ Sep 8 2002, 02:59 AM)
QUOTE (enivid @ Sep 7 2002, 09:47 AM)
QUOTE (lene @ Sep 7 2002, 09:16 AM)
tell me again why people would wanna click the links from the redemptions if the cash they would make there will just be reset anyways?

Maybe he's going to send out redemption paid e-mails after the money reset?

they are already sending paidemails ah.gif

most likely promoting his own links am.gif

what about my redemptions made prior to the announcement of selling the site...what BS it is am.gif

C4C sucks Big Time! am.gif M---- .....I----.....R----- am.gif
moneywithinternet
Well I have not to complain because I have been paid three times now, but this is ridiculous.

But maybe he resets only the former earnings and not the ones from now, I hope aj.gif ak.gif

Now no one will click the ads so why the bother to redeem, it does not help you ah.gif when no one clicks.

So maybe we all must email him massively to let him know that this is not going to work for him and his members.

I also redeemed my points before the sell, and my bonuslinks were not sent out either.

These are my stats:

You have directly earned: $ 5.0925
You have earned from your Downline: $ 29.5474
Your account balance after all transactions: $ 7.6399
You have directly earned: 1,126Points
You have earned from your Downline: 16,301Points
Total available points after all transactions: 12,177Points
Downline Count
#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10
134 113 33 43 15 6 6 0 0 0
Total: 350

Cash Debits
E-Gold Cash Out - 8/11/02 $-10.0000
Paypal Cash Out - 6/02/02 $-10.0000
Paypal Cash Out - 4/18/02 $-10.0000
Total Cash Debits: $ -30.0000
lene
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One added thing. When I sent out the mail yesterday to the membership
and said I would not allow cash-outs of their earnings except for
advertising and/or an upgrade to their membership, I did not mean that I
would be resetting the point portion of your earnings. When I perform the
reset, I may also set the amount back to $3.00. I would say that is a
much fairer deal hopefully. Again, please bare with me, as you can see by
your mails received I have sent out many paid mails already and there
will literally be 100's more prior to the reset providing lots of
advertising for your online adventures.


Taken from an email he sent out...he don't seem to be getting it. Wonder how many clicks the emails get. I don't know how long they've been in my mailbox but the ones with 500 clicks on them are still active.

And moneywithinternet you still have the right to complain even if you have been paid 3 times. You've got just as much money in your account as the rest of us.
moneywithinternet
Yes Lene offcourse I am complaining, but I have been paid three times, so my loss is less then members with no/less referrals and clicked it by them selves to $7+ or even more. I find it harder for them ah.gif
kglaser
QUOTE (TishaReina @ Sep 8 2002, 05:36 AM)
Kglaser I filled out GPTBoycott's complaint form earlier today. The Click4Cents webmaster has already been sent an email from them.

They do good work there, huh? aa.gif

WTG Tisha! ab.gif

Wow!! I think that's the fastest recorded case of a boycotting occurring after the complaints were lodged! This is exactly the sort of response that needs to happen so that programs like this which try to take advantage of their members realize they can't get away with it!

Yes, GPTBoycott is a great site and a great service and Keith is a really nice guy. aa.gif

katie
Dilshiya
You have directly earned: $ 5.4125
You have earned from your Downline: $ 11.0366
Your account balance after all transactions: $ 16.4490
You have directly earned: 2,672Points
You have earned from your Downline: 12,412Points
Total available points after all transactions: 10,934Points
Downline Count
#1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10
70 36 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total: 111


I have not been paid once and I am going to lose all that????? I paid good $ building a downline!!

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hata
i got 18 paid mails from the sit in about 24 hours or so
would i feel better???nooooo i feel worst
i didn't click and didn't redeem my earing for adv or upgrade membership
BECUASE I SAW A FACT
we are forced to spend our earing on his sit
WE ARE DOUBLE EXPLIOTED FROM HIS SIT
we all know a successful sit need lots adv and we were forced to redeem our earing to adv
what does it mean??if i click the redeem button,i am DOUBLE USED
with so many mails i got,he is announceing he is going to run a suceessful sit and there will have many mails comeing,well it looks liek in the way seemingly???!!!!
NO WAY,IF YOU REDEEM THAT'S YOUR MONEY DOING ADV FOR HIM !!!!!
it is your hard work money,it depend on you if you prefer redeem it rather than loseing eveything,but just allow me show you the fact how it is !!
by the way ,another mail i got saying he may just reset earing to $3 amount
well that doesn't impress me much neither,look at homepage,new member join and you got $sign up bonus
i am just so tired of those trick !!!!!!
still boycott the sit !!
TishaReina
QUOTE (kglaser @ Sep 8 2002, 10:13 PM)
QUOTE (TishaReina @ Sep 8 2002, 05:36 AM)
Kglaser I filled out GPTBoycott's complaint form earlier today.  The Click4Cents webmaster has already been sent an email from them.

They do good work there, huh? aa.gif

WTG Tisha! ab.gif

Wow!! I think that's the fastest recorded case of a boycotting occurring after the complaints were lodged! This is exactly the sort of response that needs to happen so that programs like this which try to take advantage of their members realize they can't get away with it!

Yes, GPTBoycott is a great site and a great service and Keith is a really nice guy. aa.gif

katie

Thanks Katie aa.gif

I too am impressed with Keith! I couldn't believe my eyes when I read he'd emailed them and was waiting for a response.

lol I should go over and see if there is a response from C4C.

I too have received numerous emails in the last couple of days. I just don't have the heart to click on them. I feel badly for the people who redeemed for them. I haven't had a chance to unsubscribe as my mailbox is pretty full with paid mail. lol Speaking of which.. I should get clicking!
ILostMyTrueLove
i deleted my account and filed a boycott form also.

i started the complaint about this dirty man and his "NEW" program. i guess i started kind of a riot and i didnt mean to, i was just so angry. and this mike HAS NO HEART. but also the previous owner is also involved. She took everybody's money for ad redemptions and DIDNT PAY out. so she also "stole" money from us.


Anways, water over bridge now cuz i'm no longer a member. I hope that the next time a program is being sold, you owners think about it. We the members PAY for advertising. You the owners are responsible for paying us when we meet your requirements BECAUSE IT IS BECAUSE OF MEMBERS THAT YOU HAVE A PROGRAM.

From Caroline, still angry but with 4 kids, is calming down LOL
FamilyAffair
More updates... he will reset to $3 instead of $0!

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I have decided to make changes after much input from the membership.

First, there was never a plan to reset the points earnings. Except for redemptions and reading of new paid links that figure will not change.

For those who currently carry a Gold or Silver membership status, that also will remain unchanged, which also I had no plans on altering. Also, everyone's downline will not be affected except for members unsubscribing.

Next, I have changed what I will reset the earnings level to an amount of $3. That will be everyone. The current of use of earnings for redemptions should continue if you want to get anything from them.

Now to discuss what I will be doing with redemptions. All point redemptions will be processed as I get to them. Please remember I have 100's and 100's to process so this will take some time. If cash redemptions deal with banners or membership upgrades I will also process them as I receive them. I will make adjustments to the member's accounts as I process each redemption, meaning debit the earnings. The change with the cash redemptions which will generate cash ads will be saved until after the reset so that the membership will retain the earnings. This will include any cash paid mail sent yesterday. I think that this will make the members happier then totally losing their earnings altogether because there will be many many cash paid mails sent out.

As I process each redemption I am sending out a request for the details of the ad or banner or link. After receiving the details I will reply with a mail stating that I received and have adjusted their account. Those that are paid cash mails will all be saved for sending after the reset. After the reset, those redemptions will be sent out as soon as I process them. Saving the 100's of cash redemptions that will produce cash earnings will also give me the chance to send multiple per mail at that time. What that means is instead of 100's of individual one link paid mails I will try to produce 5 or more per mail, less work for each member and also less mail sent by me and received by the membership.

I hope these changes and listing of what will not be affected will be more to the liking of everyone. I know that it still won't please everyone but I knew I could never do that by performing the reset. Again, thanks to the membership for expressing their feelings and you may always continue to do so. I hope to answer as many as possible individually. If multiple mails cover the same subject I will probably cover that in a mail to the full membership. Sorry for the long-winded mail again but I prefer to be as detailed as possible rather then leave the membership scratching their heads. As you see I am agreeable to make changes, not that I can perform every change that is requested. I am sure there will be more in the future, none of which will be taking anything away from the members unless major errors occur in processing.

I have found where the server has sent mail when I thought it had dropped or lost it. The server acts as if I have read the mail and sent it to a different "bucket". Anyways, it did it to me again but nothing that I know of has been lost.

Thanks and send your comments be they positive or negative to webmaster@click4cents.com, if you have problems on the site other then complaints of the above please send those to support@click4cents.com.

Thanks again and patience with the program will provide great results in the future.

Mike
ILostMyTrueLove
if that jerk would have said he was gonna reset to 3.00 most of the comlaining and deleting of accounts would not have happened. i think thats why he changed it. i wrote him to let him know what a jack--- he is for sending the first letter and then me deleting my account and then he emailed me saying he was gonna reset to 3.00. too late now. stupid man makes me sick.

thought it was over til i got his personal message to me about 3.00. to heck with him.
kglaser
I don't care what he does now. I wouldn't be a member of the site, just on general principle. The fact is, I don't trust him or his program.
ppprk
new email from them
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Hello again members.

I am bowing to the majority and will not perform the reset. All earnings will remain as is. The one change I will make instead is raising the Paypal cash payout to a $20.00 amount. No one will lose any earnings, but it will take longer to receive a payout. I appreciate everyone's views and have read all the complaints. I have made this change even after answering many mails saying my policy would remain, but enough was enough. I apologize to the membership for causing so much aggravation.

Next, since I am sure 99% of the current redemptions I have in the advertising area are related to my previous policy of the reset, I am deleting them all because there are so many to go through. I know I put the members through a lot of work making the redemptions, but most would rather keep their earnings from what I have been told. Any redemptions that the members still want to perform, I will need them to be redone. Because of the time involved in reading all the complaints and support mail I have done a limited amount of redemptions. I have a record of those, but if any of the members that used cash earnings into redemptions that I have performed make the request, I will credit their account. Since point redemptions made were not going to be affected by the reset, there won't be a credit for them.

I hope this qualms the anger of most of the members and I hope you will continue your membership with the site. Thanks again for everyone's input.

Mike
ayumi6926
if C4C webmaster is ppprk SAN~~

My Heart is the best...

I think that ppprk SAN run C4C very well..

GANBATE ppprk SAN~ ! (cheer up ,ppprk)
kglaser
No, ppprk was just quoting an e.mail from C4C. The owner is someone named Mike. aa.gif
ppprk
QUOTE (click1009 @ Sep 9 2002, 11:55 PM)
if C4C webmaster is ppprk SAN~~

My Heart is the best...

I think that ppprk SAN run C4C very well..

GANBATE ppprk SAN~ ! (cheer up ,ppprk)

Thanks ab.gif
ppprk
QUOTE (kglaser @ Sep 10 2002, 12:32 AM)
No, ppprk was just quoting an e.mail from C4C. ?The owner is someone named Mike. aa.gif

He knows that I don't own the site.
He is in my country.
He just said "if i owned the site" ad.gif
Oz Consortium President
As I said last week - Watch Dog
We have programs that watch out for the Industry such as the Get Paid Forum and the Get Paid Boycott Websites. But, they may serve members and webmasters well - but what about advertisers, what about the influence of program creators?.

The time has come, before it gets to late to form a representative body in the Industry to watch over programs. Criteria has to be set, but the representative bodies will include members, webmasters, advertisers, and production ie. My E Com and Create A Click.

Please email at webmaster@ozconsortium.com and we can talk and set something up.

Its Now Time!

http://www.ozconsortium.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=794
Niels
Lol how funny, all those complaints to get him understand it is a bad idea, don't think the program will ever be the same.
eln143
Oz, I don't understand what you are saying. ac.gif
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